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Dec 17 05:28:43 <PaulFertser> gena2x: cool. Are you running openwrt already?
Dec 17 08:01:32 <JaMa|Wrk> wow www.therme-erding.de looks nice
Dec 17 08:04:46 <mrmoku> JaMa|Wrk: and expensive :P
Dec 17 08:07:40 <JaMa|Wrk> mrmoku: similar price like here http://www.aquapalace.cz/home, but there are happy mondays for about 20e/day but aquapalace is still a bit smaller
Dec 17 08:08:16 <JaMa|Wrk> mrmoku: maybe we'll visit erding on our way to ski in France :)
Dec 17 08:34:05 <mrmoku> JaMa|Wrk: things change when you have a family with 5 heads :/
Dec 17 08:37:45 <JaMa|Wrk> yeah :)
Dec 17 09:03:35 <JaMa|Wrk> Heinervdm: gm, so now only emacs-x11 is failing in shr-t feed (debuging why as downgrading qemu to 0.12.5 should be enough)
Dec 17 09:03:58 <Heinervdm> JaMa|Wrk: ok
Dec 17 09:04:27 <Heinervdm> i'm just writing a summery what was fixed with this update
Dec 17 09:07:10 <JaMa|Wrk> Heinervdm: btw that cornucopia rev you cherry-picked is missing mrmoku's "fsodeviced: fix parsing gpio_input events" so headphones will still fail iirc
Dec 17 09:07:27 <mrmoku> JaMa|Wrk: on n900 only though
Dec 17 09:07:33 <JaMa|Wrk> mrmoku: ah ok, then
Dec 17 09:07:58 <Heinervdm> for gta-02 the only change should be the statefiles
Dec 17 09:25:05 <JaMa|Wrk> can someone try http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1105#comment:6 ?
Dec 17 10:01:22 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rd3b856153cb0 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/ (Makefile.am kernel.vala): 
Dec 17 10:01:22 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: libfsobasics: add simple helper class to load kernel modules
Dec 17 10:01:22 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Dec 17 10:02:33 <mickey|office> morphis: yay!
Dec 17 10:04:41 <morphis> :)
Dec 17 10:04:59 <morphis> mickeyl: thought first about doing it the mode low level way
Dec 17 10:05:22 <morphis> without calling modprobe/insmod but it should be more flexible with them
Dec 17 10:06:01 <morphis> mickeyl: btw. wifi is now "stable" on the palmpre, was yesterday able to to a 'opkg upgrade' with download some megabytes of data
Dec 17 10:06:04 <morphis> without any issues
Dec 17 10:09:15 <morphis> mickey|office: hm ping your other nick ...
Dec 17 10:09:21 <morphis> s/ping/pinged/
Dec 17 10:09:21 <apt> morphis meant: mickey|office: hm pinged your other nick ...
Dec 17 10:10:42 <mickey|office> ah ok
Dec 17 10:10:49 <mickey|office> my incentive is to get rid of the fork()
Dec 17 10:10:59 <mickey|office> not too important now though
Dec 17 10:11:11 <mickey|office> (wifi) great, need to update my pre soon
Dec 17 10:11:42 <morphis> ok
Dec 17 10:11:51 <morphis> but for wifi there is currently no oe support
Dec 17 10:11:58 <morphis> but I will do that this weekend
Dec 17 10:12:40 <morphis> you mean system(...) when you say fork(...) right?
Dec 17 10:14:50 <mickey|office> yes
Dec 17 10:15:02 <mickey|office> iirc system is essentially forking
Dec 17 10:15:47 <morphis> ok
Dec 17 10:16:31 <morphis> the other option is to load the module manually into the kernel with mmap and a syscall
Dec 17 10:16:48 <mickey|office> that sounds good
Dec 17 10:17:00 <mickey|office> basically i don't like the gazillion of potential problems when calling shell utils
Dec 17 10:17:01 <mickey|office> like
Dec 17 10:17:03 <mickey|office> wrong PATH
Dec 17 10:17:08 <mickey|office> wrong fs mounted or missing
Dec 17 10:17:14 <mickey|office> wrong command line params
Dec 17 10:17:17 <mickey|office> etc. etc. etc.
Dec 17 10:17:39 <morphis> ok, but then we don't have the features modprobe provides
Dec 17 10:17:39 <mickey|office> so especially if we move towards fsoinitd we need something more self-contained
Dec 17 10:18:01 <morphis> such as depency based module loading
Dec 17 10:18:14 <mickey|office> i was thinking about embedding a bit of libbusybox
Dec 17 10:18:24 <morphis> that even my thought :D
Dec 17 10:19:01 <morphis> but modutils is not part of libb from busybox
Dec 17 10:25:50 * pabs3 wonders what happened to projects.openmoko.org
Dec 17 10:57:54 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r7b523ed06cf9 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/palmpre_quirks/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala powercontrol.vala): 
Dec 17 10:57:54 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: palmpre_quirks: add initial wifi powercontrol
Dec 17 10:57:54 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Dec 17 10:59:55 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rc2068890cc2c 10/fsodeviced/conf/palm_pre/fsodeviced.conf: 
Dec 17 10:59:55 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: palm_pre configuration: adjust for changes in palmpre_quirks plugin
Dec 17 10:59:55 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Dec 17 11:07:23 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r6347afde2daf 10/fsodeviced/conf/palm_pre/fsodeviced.conf: 
Dec 17 11:07:23 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: palm_pre configuration: add missing fsodevice.palmpre_quirks.powersupply entry
Dec 17 11:07:23 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Dec 17 12:08:45 <antrik> why does everyone hate system()? code reuse by invoking existing programs is really the most fundamental concept of what makes UNIX what it is
Dec 17 12:09:58 <JaMa|Wrk> it's harder to catch errors with usable error message to caller
Dec 17 12:10:05 <misc> it take ressource 
Dec 17 12:11:18 <antrik> misc: a permanently loaded library actually takes more resources on the whole than a process invoked now and then
Dec 17 12:11:19 <JaMa|Wrk> I was using it a lot in dvbgrab code, but still don't like it
Dec 17 12:11:34 <antrik> (that's why GNOME and KDE hog so much memory)
Dec 17 12:39:32 <mrmoku> antrik: speed... fork is expensive
Dec 17 13:30:01 <antrik> mrmoku: and how often do you call modprobe?...
Dec 17 13:31:13 <mrmoku> antrik: it was more a principal response to system :)
Dec 17 13:34:32 <mrmoku> s/principal/general/
Dec 17 13:34:32 <apt> mrmoku meant: antrik: it was more a general response to system :)
Dec 17 13:34:40 <mrmoku> better :)
Dec 17 14:02:51 <gena2x> PaulFertser: heh, openwrt working depends on definition of 'working'. it just boots over network atm, need much setup i bet. and buildroot + busybox together with 180mhz cpu and 16mb ram sounds not really good. But serial worked just fine!
Dec 17 14:04:27 <PaulFertser> gena2x: i really liked openwrt, a nice clean powerful system, but lacking quite some docs.
Dec 17 14:04:59 <gena2x> PaulFertser: but flawless kernel boot on mips look really ethereal. i am expecting something will fail. but it works :)
Dec 17 17:41:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, should I push libisi recipe?
Dec 17 18:02:22 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: push please - if it does not break parsing there is no reason not to :)
Dec 17 18:18:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> done
Dec 17 18:31:31 <mrmoku> good :)
Dec 17 19:21:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> the next step is making fsogsmd depend on libisi for nokia900
Dec 17 19:26:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, oops I forgott to add libisi to autorev
Dec 17 19:27:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> fso-autorev to be more exact
Dec 17 19:36:52 <daniele_athome> mmm
Dec 17 19:37:00 <daniele_athome> hello! :)
Dec 17 21:17:05 <yann> is there any known pb with shr rc1 on gta02 ?  apps can't seem to get any gps data
Dec 17 21:19:52 <yann> and trying from mdbus says:
Dec 17 21:19:55 <yann> MDBUS2>  org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freedesktop/Gypsy org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.GetConnectionStatus()
Dec 17 21:19:55 <yann> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection was disconnected before a reply was received
Dec 17 21:21:42 <yann> I can't find a ticket about that, at least
Dec 17 21:22:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, hi
Dec 17 21:22:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> how can I debug an fsogsmd plugin?
Dec 17 21:22:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> I install fsogsmd-dbg and that's all?
Dec 17 21:24:39 <yann> oh sorry, looks like the parens are the problem
Dec 17 21:25:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> yann, right 
Dec 17 21:25:05 <yann> mdbus2 robustness issue here
Dec 17 21:25:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> yann, try that:
Dec 17 21:25:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> pidof ogpsd
Dec 17 21:25:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> or the daemon that do gps
Dec 17 21:25:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> before and after
Dec 17 21:25:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> the dbus call
Dec 17 21:25:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> (the dbus call with the parentesis)
Dec 17 21:26:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> to see if it's mdbus2 
Dec 17 21:26:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> or the daemon that crashes
Dec 17 21:26:19 <yann> already grepped for gps, only get fso-gpsd
Dec 17 21:26:34 <yann> but mdbus2 gets answers without the parens
Dec 17 21:26:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> I know
Dec 17 21:27:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> but if you were interested in making the system more robust....
Dec 17 21:27:34 <yann> I can send org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable and then GetConnectionStatus replies true
Dec 17 21:28:04 <yann> if ogpsd is not there, who would answer to that ?
Dec 17 21:31:13 <yann> cannot find ogpsd at all, indeed
Dec 17 21:33:53 <yann> frameworkd.log shows traces similar to http://www.shr-project.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1085/frameworkd.log.ogpsd-snip
Dec 17 21:57:28 <yann> ah, following the instructions in #1085 about fsotdld seem to work for me
Dec 17 22:14:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> yann, hmmm
Dec 17 22:14:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> ogpsd is part of frameworkd
Dec 17 22:14:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> I think
Dec 17 22:14:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> so it should be there
Dec 17 22:15:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> sorry for creating the confusion
Dec 17 22:19:47 <yann> hm, finally it does not seem to work any better: I only get in agps-ui log lines when fso-gpsd restarts, nothing from the gps itself
Dec 17 22:22:45 <yann> I noticed th #1085 comments talk about bootloaders, I still have old u-boot 1.3.2-*12, that should still be ok with 2.6.34.7 ?
Dec 17 22:23:14 <mrmoku> old u-boot has a problem with GPS after a suspend/resume IIRC
Dec 17 22:28:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, hi, how do you debug your apps?
Dec 17 22:28:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've a problem with gdb not loading the libs correctly
Dec 17 22:35:05 <yann> mrmoku: even right after a reboot it ain't any better
Dec 17 22:36:32 <yann> hm, thinking of it, I was always booting from NOR
Dec 17 22:38:20 <yann> has linux any knowledge from the bootloader telling who the bootloader was ?
Dec 17 22:39:18 <yann> booting from NAND does not seem much better
Dec 17 22:43:33 <yann> mrmoku: what do you consider "old uboot" ?  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot points to a dir where the most recent uboot is the one I have downloaded in june '09
Dec 17 22:44:20 <yann> and the shr trac wiki does not seem to mention uboot at all
Dec 17 22:45:59 <yann> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot-gena2x ?
Dec 17 23:00:39 <yann> hm, "poweron" in agpsui does not do org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable ?
Dec 17 23:25:37 <yann> the on/off toggle in Settings, however, is coherent with the DBUS state
Dec 17 23:26:05 <yann> is it just agpsui which is broken ?
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