**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 19 02:59:57 2011 Jan 19 05:58:24 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r1e78c074a855 10/libmsmcomm/specs/structures/ (misc.xml sim.xml): Jan 19 05:58:24 freesmartphone.org: libmsmcomm: adjust xml specifiction to manual changes to msmcomm.sdef Jan 19 05:58:24 freesmartphone.org: Never touch msmcomm.sdef in the manual way! Edit the xml files instead. Jan 19 14:42:07 hm I am getting a "*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/enlightenment: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x002e12a0 ***" when starting e17 on the palmpre, any suggestions? Jan 19 14:56:42 morphis: only this http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/41504 Jan 19 14:58:33 JaMa|Wrk: hm Jan 19 15:05:56 JaMa|Wrk: maybe bump SRCREV again? Jan 19 15:13:40 morphis: I did bump in e-wm only and I have another EFL_SRCREV bump in my branch.. feel free to test Jan 19 15:14:17 which branch? Jan 19 15:14:31 only bumping e-wm works for you? Jan 19 15:14:57 http://gitorious.org/~jama/angstrom/jama-shr-experimental/commit/d35ce6ad92846b28fc989843fe8d5b66e09f2ddd Jan 19 15:17:44 are you using x11-16 engine? daniele found new issues with it Jan 19 15:20:40 I think so Jan 19 15:20:50 should be the default SHR uses Jan 19 15:24:20 no it's not default afaik Jan 19 15:26:28 and according to raster it's broken by design and will die soon Jan 19 15:36:23 i don't buy the broken-buy-design, but i'm sure he'll remove it... Jan 19 15:46:09 :9 Jan 19 15:46:16 s/:9/:)/ Jan 19 15:46:16 morphis meant: :) Jan 19 15:48:22 hehe Jan 19 15:48:36 mickey|office: you could step up as maintainer ;) Jan 19 15:49:05 hah Jan 19 15:49:26 maintaining a couple of thousand lines of GFX-C-code is exactly what I wanted since long :D Jan 19 15:49:36 :P Jan 19 15:49:41 would be a change... at least :) Jan 19 15:49:48 * JaMa|Wrk expected rewrite in vala :) Jan 19 15:49:59 hehe :) Jan 19 15:54:20 don't raster will accept vala code in evas :) Jan 19 15:54:30 s/don't/don't think/ Jan 19 15:54:30 morphis meant: don't think raster will accept vala code in evas :) Jan 19 15:54:42 as it will add glib as well :) Jan 19 16:07:37 JaMa|Wrk: with your patch compilation of python-elementary fails with: Requested 'elementary >= 0.7.0.52890' but version of elementary is 0.7.0.0 Jan 19 16:08:16 but python-elementary in svn depends only on 0.7.0 Jan 19 16:08:36 OE changes something in the configure files? Jan 19 16:18:08 morphis: you have wrong bitbake version Jan 19 16:19:03 morphis: you need to create snapshot tarbals with bitbake with this patch included http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/bitbake/commit/?id=05cbc1d1a01c667c77688f36fbc5b61c5f452a3a Jan 19 16:19:21 morphis: if you have older bitbake master then you get exactly this error Jan 19 16:19:25 ok Jan 19 16:19:29 good to know Jan 19 16:19:35 but 1.10 should be fine Jan 19 16:19:44 or anything from 1.10 branch Jan 19 16:20:19 morphis: you can also just change elementary.pc in sysroots as quick workaround Jan 19 16:20:26 jepp Jan 19 16:20:39 but master branch of bitbake should be ok? Jan 19 16:21:21 after 2010-12-15 yes.. but be aware of persistent db changes Jan 19 16:21:45 like this one http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/bitbake/commit/?id=8c0afc13ad5eefea62b0b136f5b66792ba4e44cb Jan 19 16:22:24 but should migrate old db right this time, not like with http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/bitbake/commit/?id=411b808b81216473c3dbeca783ec5bc99152da26 Jan 19 16:22:46 ok Jan 19 16:48:29 hi mrmoku Jan 19 16:50:08 hi GNUtoo|laptop Jan 19 16:50:25 any news on kernel side? Jan 19 16:50:40 does the lowlevel plugin works on .37? Jan 19 16:50:50 the fsogsmd one? Jan 19 16:50:53 no Jan 19 16:50:54 lowleve_n900 Jan 19 16:50:55 ok Jan 19 16:51:04 then I stay to .28 Jan 19 16:53:09 mrmoku, how many settings is there for alsa for sflphoned? Jan 19 16:53:35 : sample rate= 8000, format=Int16 Jan 19 16:53:40 I see that in the command line Jan 19 16:54:51 mrmoku: what's missing wrt. lowlevel on .37? Jan 19 16:57:15 mickey|office: debugging :) Jan 19 16:57:26 mickey|office: fsogsmd segfaults Jan 19 16:57:49 GNUtoo|laptop: hmm... on my laptop I use it with pulseaudio Jan 19 16:57:52 never tried alsa Jan 19 16:57:58 ah ok Jan 19 16:58:04 * mrmoku is being called for dinner Jan 19 16:58:05 bbiab Jan 19 16:58:12 I wanted to see if I could make it work on htc dream Jan 19 16:58:20 so theses phones would be usable for something Jan 19 17:04:23 btw what does that do on the phone: Jan 19 17:04:24 /usr/share/man/man1/sflphoned.1 Jan 19 17:07:36 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07msmcomm * r11f7b5273e3c 10/libmsmcomm/msmcomm/miscmessage.vala: libmsmcomm: Fix ID for Misc.GetChargerStatus Jan 19 17:07:37 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07msmcomm * r8d2b51d4275e 10/libmsmcomm/msmcomm/miscmessagegroup.vala: Jan 19 17:07:37 freesmartphone.org: libmsmcomm: Add GetHomeNetwork response ID to Jan 19 17:07:37 freesmartphone.org: Group Jan 19 17:07:37 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07msmcomm * r52a1023698c1 10/libmsmcomm/msmcomm/miscmessage.vala: libmsmcomm: Set values for ChargerStatus event Jan 19 17:07:37 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07msmcomm * r651a4144a8c1 10/msmcommd/src/miscservice.vala: msmcommd: set values for Misc.charger_status signal Jan 19 17:51:51 GNUtoo|laptop: hehe, good question... probably the only manpage there :P Jan 19 17:52:00 ok Jan 19 18:44:29 PaulFertser: hi, bluetooth calls are now no longer working :( Jan 19 18:45:20 PaulFertser: everything was ok, even headset that wasnt working before was playing, so i made release (rebuild all and reflash) and its not working Jan 19 18:45:36 radekp: hm, probably it's not paired? Jan 19 18:46:20 PaulFertser: it is - i can use the headset buttons and they work for calling/haning - i can hear "clicks" and ring calls, but no sound Jan 19 18:46:50 PaulFertser: it's same as before - but then it started working after uncommenting the SCORouting Jan 19 18:47:06 PaulFertser: but now it's uncommented and still no sound - very strange Jan 19 18:47:20 radekp: oh, there was another gotcha, just loading the statefile wasn't enough. Jan 19 18:48:04 radekp: do you remember about amixer sset "Capture Left Mixer" "Analogue Mix Right"/amixer sset "Capture Left Mixer" "Analogue Mix Left" ? Jan 19 18:48:32 PaulFertser: you i am doing this, havent touched this and in log i can see it happening.... strange Jan 19 18:48:33 radekp: and to issue some alsa calls to configure the second hw to use 8000 Hz rate? Jan 19 18:49:28 PaulFertser: how can i do it? Jan 19 18:50:03 radekp: there were both python and C implementations, let me find those... Jan 19 18:51:08 PaulFertser: i am using this program after switching state: https://github.com/radekp/gta02-gsm-bt-fix Jan 19 18:52:52 radekp: it got everything needed. Jan 19 18:56:21 hmm it's strange it was working like charm now everything looks ok, but no sound again... Jan 19 19:00:12 mrmoku, register fails on nokia900 Jan 19 19:00:20 mickeyl is not there.... Jan 19 19:00:36 hmmmm Jan 19 19:00:59 1970-01-01T00:18:12.220306Z [DEBUG] fsogsmd : GLib <>: Request failed: NET_CAUSE_COMMUNICATION_ERROR Jan 19 19:01:01 that is the error Jan 19 19:01:05 and that's from register Jan 19 19:01:10 I do register Jan 19 19:01:17 and right after I've that in the logs Jan 19 19:01:32 so we need something like AT+COPS Jan 19 19:01:36 I bet Jan 19 19:05:40 hmmm the test registering binary doesn't have AT+COPS like stuff Jan 19 19:06:06 n.subscribe_status;n.subscribe_strength;n.list_operators;n.register_auto Jan 19 19:07:09 radekp: one of the headsets i tried never worked at all with freerunner. Other headset always worked. Jan 19 19:07:31 mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.ListProviders => Segmentation fault Jan 19 19:07:50 it seem that it's only mdbus2 that segfaults Jan 19 19:08:20 I also can't build images anymore Jan 19 19:08:26 NOTE: package frameworkd-1_0.9.5.9+gitr1+e31fa77906981a56be2271246693fd929c973abf-r6: task do_package_write_ipk: Started Jan 19 19:08:28 but: Jan 19 19:08:34 *** Error: CONTROL/conffiles mentions conffile /etc/freesmartphone/ogsmd/networks.tab which does not exist Jan 19 19:08:38 which is fatal: Jan 19 19:09:01 "ipkg-build: Please fix the above errors and try again." and next line: NOTE: package frameworkd-1_0.9.5.9+gitr1+e31fa77906981a56be2271246693fd929c973abf-r6: task ipkg-build execution failed: Failed Jan 19 19:09:17 I'll pull in oe Jan 19 19:13:14 /etc/freesmartphone/ogsmd/* are still needed? Jan 19 19:13:43 I've no idea Jan 19 19:13:47 I'm rebuilding Jan 19 19:15:53 they are now no longer installed by default (I've removed them from frameworkd-config-shr half year ago 7ec04ddb9c6f60a523841e3d1822617a24916dd9, now I removed them also from from frameworkd-config after merge.. Jan 19 19:16:07 ah I see... you have old metadata and new frameworkd revision Jan 19 19:16:28 let's wait for it to rebuild Jan 19 19:16:43 it's clear now.. not my fault :) Jan 19 19:16:44 and let's talk about that issue again if it fails again Jan 19 19:16:47 ok Jan 19 19:26:12 hi morphis Jan 19 19:26:19 still no SMS support? Jan 19 19:26:21 GNUtoo|laptop: heyho Jan 19 19:26:24 GNUtoo|laptop: will come Jan 19 19:26:26 ok Jan 19 19:26:36 let me finish the basic bits first :) Jan 19 19:26:44 such as openembedded stuff Jan 19 19:26:47 even GPS is on the road Jan 19 19:26:49 else it's not usable Jan 19 19:27:07 that is to say modem would work but not touchscreen,sound etc... Jan 19 19:27:07 with basic bits I mean new libmsmcomm Jan 19 19:27:11 ah ok Jan 19 19:27:15 touchscreen works Jan 19 19:27:17 again a new one? Jan 19 19:27:32 the shifting of touchscreen got fixed? Jan 19 19:27:34 I reimplemented libmsmcomm in vala Jan 19 19:27:39 ok Jan 19 19:27:51 it's mostly there where the old one was before Jan 19 19:28:08 but has a cleaner structure Jan 19 19:28:14 playya is helping Jan 19 19:28:15 why do you need to reimplement one more time? Jan 19 19:28:15 me Jan 19 19:28:16 ok Jan 19 19:28:27 old one sucks Jan 19 19:28:38 and I love vala :) Jan 19 19:28:40 the old one waist you time? Jan 19 19:28:49 ok Jan 19 19:28:58 yes vala is great Jan 19 19:29:09 lets talk later Jan 19 19:29:15 ok Jan 19 19:29:18 30min Jan 19 19:29:23 I have to eat :) Jan 19 19:29:31 I talked now because I was waiting for shr-image to compile Jan 19 19:29:36 ok Jan 19 19:29:42 ~bon apetit Jan 19 19:30:07 GNUtoo|laptop: next try building a smartreflex kernel Jan 19 19:30:19 ok Jan 19 19:30:36 I'm waiting for shr-image to debug mdbus2 Jan 19 19:30:44 because something is wrong: Jan 19 19:30:57 mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.ListProviders => Segmentation fault Jan 19 19:33:44 MDBUS2> org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.RequestResource GSM Jan 19 19:33:48 org.freesmartphone.Resource.UnableToEnable: GDBus.Error:org.freesmartphone.Resource.UnableToEnable: Can't open the modem. Jan 19 19:34:09 ah? Jan 19 19:34:15 1970-01-01T08:18:20.001710Z [ERROR] NokiaIsiModem : Can't open main channel; open returned false Jan 19 19:34:28 I use the C based enabler Jan 19 19:34:35 that is standalone Jan 19 19:34:38 and I use 2.6.28 Jan 19 19:34:43 that's why I can help Jan 19 19:36:53 PaulFertser: hmm i found backup, before i reflashed that works - so i can now compare them :) Jan 19 19:37:11 radekp: cool, that's at least something. Jan 19 19:37:31 PaulFertser: yup, should be easy now Jan 19 19:49:20 arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-ld: DIV usage mismatch between arch/arm/boot/compressed/piggy.lzma.o and arch/arm/boot/compressed/vmlinux Jan 19 19:49:27 is my hard disk dying? Jan 19 19:50:24 the other day I had a bus error Jan 19 19:50:30 and it was not because of a lib Jan 19 19:50:44 a clean + rebuild fixed the error in both cases tough Jan 19 19:50:53 ouch Jan 19 19:50:59 nothing in dmesg Jan 19 19:51:26 maybe it's just because I changed lots of things in the kernel Jan 19 19:52:56 GNUtoo|laptop: usually dying disks can be identified by looking at SMART output. Jan 19 19:53:18 yes I should look with smart tools Jan 19 19:53:24 GNUtoo|laptop: smartctl -a Jan 19 19:53:33 ok Jan 19 19:56:30 SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED Jan 19 19:57:09 on both disks Jan 19 19:58:12 GNUtoo|laptop: nothing in the error log? Then it must be something else... Jan 19 19:58:23 then maybe it's a coincidence Jan 19 19:58:34 apart that I've overheat Jan 19 19:58:36 it could be that Jan 19 19:59:01 [30821.672174] CPU0: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 185) Jan 19 20:00:00 Oh Jan 19 20:00:08 I compile too much Jan 19 20:00:32 maybe I should find a way to increase the additional fan troughoutput Jan 19 20:00:37 I've something under the laptop Jan 19 20:00:40 that has a fan Jan 19 20:18:32 GNUtoo|laptop: so I am back Jan 19 20:19:42 ok Jan 19 20:21:41 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r340feecf8f2f 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/kernel.vala: libfsobasics: fix string creation in kernel module loader Jan 19 20:25:30 GNUtoo|laptop: I have libmsmcomm mostly rewritten cause maintaining the old one was a pain Jan 19 20:25:37 ok Jan 19 20:25:50 you had to write so much boiler plate code just add one little message Jan 19 20:25:59 ah ok Jan 19 20:26:03 now you add one new class, derive form the base class, thats it Jan 19 20:26:09 (for the minimal case) Jan 19 20:26:44 even it gives us the possiblity to rework design issues as I didn't know all the details about the protocol when starting with the old libmsmcomm Jan 19 20:28:20 wow Jan 19 20:37:11 GNUtoo|laptop: and it gives me my motivation back :) Jan 19 20:37:17 nice Jan 19 20:37:56 I want to finish that now (I now I have said this a lot time before) Jan 19 20:38:44 s/that/this/ Jan 19 20:38:44 morphis meant: I want to finish this now (I now I have said this a lot time before) Jan 19 20:39:32 GNUtoo|laptop: you see we have a dual-boot solution now? Jan 19 20:39:50 nice Jan 19 20:39:55 I wasn't able to see the video Jan 19 20:45:53 do it :) Jan 19 20:46:05 I tried hard Jan 19 20:46:11 is there a non-flash version Jan 19 20:46:11 ? Jan 19 20:52:24 PaulFertser: i made it working again, it works after some steps - e.g. after booting make call without BT, then pair with headset and make call with BT Jan 19 20:52:57 GNUtoo|laptop: hm, I can make one Jan 19 20:53:00 PaulFertser: maybe there is some wrong timing or something like that, but it seems more like qtmoko related problem Jan 19 20:53:06 ok thanks a lot Jan 19 20:53:14 else is there a way to download that video? Jan 19 20:53:49 PaulFertser: i will do new release so that users can reproduce it :) and then i try to debug it somehow Jan 19 20:53:58 GNUtoo|laptop, if you use firefox there's a couple of way to download it Jan 19 20:54:09 ok I use firefox Jan 19 20:54:12 use extensions such as videodownloadhelper Jan 19 20:54:19 but I don't have flash Jan 19 20:54:19 ok Jan 19 20:54:23 does it require flash? Jan 19 20:54:24 radekp: something like that was reported with bluez3 version, no? Jan 19 20:54:34 GNUtoo|laptop: currently downloading the video Jan 19 20:54:38 ok Jan 19 20:54:40 thanks a lot Jan 19 20:54:41 what do you want mp4 or ogg? Jan 19 20:54:49 the native format Jan 19 20:54:55 if it's mp4 mp4 is ok Jan 19 20:55:30 you can use flashgot (another firefox addon too) Jan 19 20:55:37 GNUtoo|laptop: one moment Jan 19 20:55:44 PaulFertser: with bluez3 you needed incomming call first - that somehow made the sound working Jan 19 20:55:45 ok Jan 19 20:56:21 PaulFertser: this can be similar, but incomming call does not fix it Jan 19 20:56:27 radekp: hm, if it's qtopia not switching the audio scenario properly, then you can manually load the state file to check. Jan 19 20:56:55 PaulFertser: i have tried to switch manually too, but that did not help Jan 19 20:57:53 PaulFertser: anyway i have to find out how to reproduce it exactly... Jan 19 20:58:09 radekp: strange, strange... Jan 19 20:58:37 PaulFertser: it could be some timing issue, maybe the freshly installed image is a bit faster so it has different timings Jan 19 21:04:35 GNUtoo|laptop: http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~morphis/bootr.m4v Jan 19 21:07:46 how does it work? it flash the kernel each time? Jan 19 21:07:50 I saw a reboot Jan 19 21:09:20 ouch but booting palm is really long Jan 19 21:09:29 2:30 and still not booted Jan 19 21:09:29 hehe Jan 19 21:09:30 no Jan 19 21:09:39 it modifies the init script Jan 19 21:09:43 the kernel is always in /boot Jan 19 21:09:44 ah ok Jan 19 21:09:52 you don't need to flash it Jan 19 21:09:55 ok Jan 19 21:09:57 just put in /boot Jan 19 21:10:02 and tell the bootloader its name Jan 19 21:10:07 the bootloader will laod it from /boot Jan 19 21:10:09 tell bootie Jan 19 21:10:14 ok Jan 19 21:10:58 so you use the same kernel for both? Jan 19 21:11:06 no Jan 19 21:11:12 different Jan 19 21:11:17 ah ok init scripts from the bootloader Jan 19 21:11:20 like boot.scr Jan 19 21:11:26 lol about the speed of both Jan 19 21:11:28 its very simple Jan 19 21:11:28 https://github.com/slyon/bootr Jan 19 21:11:32 hehe Jan 19 21:13:14 ah ok indeed it's simple Jan 19 21:13:18 ln -sf init.fso.bootr init Jan 19 21:13:23 ln -sf uImage-palmpre2.bin uImage Jan 19 21:15:07 right Jan 19 21:33:07 mickel is not there, hmmm Jan 19 21:46:07 GNUtoo|laptop: how does your fsogsmd log look like? Jan 19 21:46:10 http://shr.pastebin.com/SD8Qv0Ee Jan 19 21:47:08 http://shr.pastebin.com/9vwvd72b Jan 19 21:48:33 hmm Jan 19 21:48:42 PN_MTC is reachable for you Jan 19 21:49:02 PN_PHONE_INFO and PN_NETWORK not so Jan 19 21:49:08 ok Jan 19 21:49:59 if you look at the test in libisi Jan 19 21:50:06 it scan the network first Jan 19 21:50:09 like this: Jan 19 21:50:12 might be the cause for NET_CAUSE_COMMUNICATION_ERROR ? Jan 19 21:50:21 net communication error Jan 19 21:50:37 is outputed when register() fails Jan 19 21:50:37 ok Jan 19 21:51:01 n.list_operators(operator_list_callback); Jan 19 21:51:01 n.register_auto(register_callback); Jan 19 21:51:13 that's from network.vala in tests Jan 19 21:51:22 only that mdbus2 segfault Jan 19 21:51:25 when listing operators Jan 19 21:51:31 I've tried dbus-send Jan 19 21:51:37 nothing was outputed Jan 19 21:51:52 dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.ListProviders Jan 19 22:00:16 Weiss, i'm here :) Jan 19 22:03:12 GNUtoo|laptop: hmm... I adjust the modem power thing for the new kernel and disabled n900_lowlevel Jan 19 22:03:18 1970-01-01T02:16:59.032684Z [INFO] NokiaIsiModem : Modem Status changed to FSO_GSM_MODEM_STATUS_ALIVE_SIM_READY Jan 19 22:03:21 1970-01-01T02:17:04.004761Z [DEBUG] fsogsmd : GLib <>: ISI client error: -110 Jan 19 22:03:26 timeout Jan 19 22:04:48 and ListProviders makes mdbus2 segfault for me too Jan 19 22:05:27 ok Jan 19 22:05:35 as mickeyl is not there.... Jan 19 22:05:42 I can't pass him the trace Jan 19 22:06:33 pass it to me :) Jan 19 22:07:37 I used only gdb this time Jan 19 22:07:58 as mdbus is pretty small Jan 19 22:08:04 it can't OOM the phone Jan 19 22:08:21 http://pastebin.com/vATGdpzk Jan 19 22:09:32 ListProviders ( ) → a(sssss) Jan 19 22:09:51 array is not supported? Jan 19 22:09:55 I wonder why it is trying to demarshall an uint32 Jan 19 22:09:58 sure it is Jan 19 22:10:05 ah ok Jan 19 22:10:07 I'm quite sure it works on gta02 Jan 19 22:10:12 ok Jan 19 22:10:19 then it's our plugin Jan 19 22:10:26 my guess is more that libisi is sending bogus stuff Jan 19 22:10:27 yeah Jan 19 22:10:35 ah ok Jan 19 22:10:40 or the plugin for that Jan 19 22:10:40 I tought it was my code Jan 19 22:13:49 GNUtoo|laptop: did you try to add some logging in there? Jan 19 22:13:53 public class IsiNetworkListProviders : NetworkListProviders Jan 19 22:13:59 no Jan 19 22:15:07 btw. I failed upon smartreflex... again Jan 19 22:15:19 merging it in had some more or less trivial conflicts Jan 19 22:15:24 which I resolved Jan 19 22:15:30 and it didn't boot? Jan 19 22:15:31 but it has compile errors too Jan 19 22:15:36 partly I resolved them Jan 19 22:15:48 but then there is non-trivial stuff which I'm not able to resolve :/ Jan 19 22:15:53 such as? Jan 19 22:16:21 drivers/staging/tidspbridge/core/tiomap3430.c:566:25: error: ‘struct omap_mbox_queue’ has no member named ‘callback’ Jan 19 22:16:29 GNUtoo|laptop, mrmoku mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.ListProviders Jan 19 22:16:32 works in om-gta02 Jan 19 22:16:34 drivers/staging/tidspbridge/core/tiomap3430.c:688:3: error: too few arguments to function ‘omap_mbox_put’ Jan 19 22:16:47 mrmoku, we don't need the DSPs Jan 19 22:16:51 pespin: yeah, I thought so, thanks for verifying Jan 19 22:16:52 could it be some problem with the timeout maybe? Jan 19 22:17:04 GNUtoo|laptop: so I can disable mailbox? Jan 19 22:17:07 yes Jan 19 22:17:11 apart from wrong value Jan 19 22:17:11 ok, trying Jan 19 22:17:11 it disables the DSP Jan 19 22:17:21 the CPU does a better job than the DSP Jan 19 22:17:22 because that call takes lot of time to return Jan 19 22:17:24 but it consume more power Jan 19 22:17:34 anyway as we have nearly no support for DSP Jan 19 22:17:45 and we don't need them at this stage... Jan 19 22:18:06 btw git can help for merge Jan 19 22:18:07 git log Jan 19 22:18:25 grepping for some stuff gives you some commits Jan 19 22:18:30 or git blame can help too Jan 19 22:18:43 the commits tell what changed how why etc... Jan 19 22:19:04 blindly merging works a lot of the time but not always Jan 19 22:19:51 btw today I saw that htc wildfire has same chipset as Geeksphone. Any news from leviathan? Jan 19 22:20:28 pespin, he'll has to pass some exams and after he said that he will work again on that Jan 19 22:20:32 and on htc dream Jan 19 22:20:42 pespin, I know someone who has a wildfire Jan 19 22:20:59 laga in #replicant has one Jan 19 22:21:10 there is also a wildfire freenode irc channel Jan 19 22:21:22 I don't know enough details on the wildfire Jan 19 22:21:25 but beware..... Jan 19 22:21:31 android isn't great for doing ports Jan 19 22:21:39 it's ultra-non standard Jan 19 22:21:56 at least on qualcomm chips Jan 19 22:22:07 for instance on the htcdream they don't use alsa Jan 19 22:22:12 they use some DSPs system Jan 19 22:22:19 that is not alsa, not OSS etc... Jan 19 22:22:27 wifi is an android driver Jan 19 22:22:34 which is incompatible with WEXT Jan 19 22:22:42 framebuffer needed to be patched Jan 19 22:22:47 it lacks FBIOBLANK Jan 19 22:22:49 etc... Jan 19 22:22:55 well at least there's some sources to see how it works hehe. but yes, lot of work I suppouse :) Jan 19 22:22:56 so expect a lot of issues Jan 19 22:23:06 htc dream status: Jan 19 22:23:20 *ALSA has buffer underrun if you don't use mplayer Jan 19 22:23:25 *wifi has no PSM Jan 19 22:23:45 see bob copland response on the linux wireless mailing list: very hard to debug Jan 19 22:23:46 etc... Jan 19 22:23:54 apart that the rest works fine Jan 19 22:24:07 GNUtoo|laptop, uhm making calls doesn't go throught alsa? Jan 19 22:24:11 no Jan 19 22:24:26 the "sound card" is attached to the modem Jan 19 22:24:41 3g works Jan 19 22:24:43 ah ok Jan 19 22:24:48 screen works Jan 19 22:24:58 keyboard will work if you change xorg.conf Jan 19 22:25:00 gps works Jan 19 22:25:06 but has no AGPS Jan 19 22:25:06 so then you only have to tell modem to enable it and such things right? Jan 19 22:25:20 modem works Jan 19 22:25:24 use the GUI for 3g Jan 19 22:25:28 it's integrated in fso Jan 19 22:25:38 wifi and bluetooth are not yet integrated Jan 19 22:25:39 gps is Jan 19 22:25:47 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison Jan 19 22:25:47 ok... bedtime Jan 19 22:25:55 gnight Jan 19 22:26:58 GNUtoo|laptop, did you have time to look at E crash more deeply? Jan 19 22:27:23 pespin, for instance no VOIP because linphone output bad sound because of the bad alsa driver Jan 19 22:27:37 no Jan 19 22:27:50 I tried to work a bit on modem Jan 19 22:27:52 but I failed Jan 19 22:28:01 I waited for the compilation Jan 19 22:28:05 then I waited for opkg install Jan 19 22:28:11 then I waited for mickeyl Jan 19 22:28:16 and then time was over Jan 19 22:28:18 btw, I'm finish exams tomorrow and I'll have holidays till 15 feb. I guess I'll have time to curt the todo list :) Jan 19 22:28:25 in the meantime I worked on nexusone alsa drivers Jan 19 22:28:42 does nexus one have major problems apart than alsa? Jan 19 22:28:48 hmmm Jan 19 22:28:54 * pespin reading about in wiki Jan 19 22:28:54 apart hardware problem not really Jan 19 22:29:15 accelerometers are reverse engineered in android Jan 19 22:29:21 but maybe not so standard Jan 19 22:29:49 GPS can work with free software and is NMEA Jan 19 22:29:52 GSM is AT Jan 19 22:29:59 and seem to register etc... Jan 19 22:29:59 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r48581143c540 10/msmcommd/src/ (simservice.vala util.vala): msmcommd: fix naming of sim_status signals Jan 19 22:30:08 with the singleline modem Jan 19 22:30:14 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rcf3692100e18 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/ (callhandler.vala channel.vala unsolicited.vala): fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: fix modem initialization Jan 19 22:30:14 3g should work Jan 19 22:30:18 GNUtoo|laptop, and is integrated in fso already? Jan 19 22:30:24 wifi is WEXT Jan 19 22:30:28 not at all Jan 19 22:30:33 alsa is the big blocker Jan 19 22:30:41 I just got it working yesterday and today Jan 19 22:30:48 result: a lots of buffer underrun Jan 19 22:30:54 not so usable Jan 19 22:30:57 aplay works Jan 19 22:31:00 as always Jan 19 22:31:07 mplayer output buffer underrun Jan 19 22:31:32 why buying an android phone Jan 19 22:31:33 ? Jan 19 22:31:38 help us with the n900 Jan 19 22:31:43 I'm not planning too :P Jan 19 22:32:16 btw today I saw that htc wildfire has same chipset as Geeksphone. Any news from leviathan? Jan 19 22:32:21 * GNUtoo|laptop missunderstood that Jan 19 22:32:29 you've got wildfire? Jan 19 22:32:38 nop, a friend of mine Jan 19 22:32:42 and was looking into it Jan 19 22:32:58 is he a developer? Jan 19 22:33:05 even high level? Jan 19 22:33:06 no hehe Jan 19 22:33:13 because he'll have to do minimal work Jan 19 22:33:15 to run it Jan 19 22:33:19 like change the buttons Jan 19 22:33:25 in fsousaged plugin Jan 19 22:33:29 or in the config Jan 19 22:33:35 not interested in running anything other than android Jan 19 22:33:48 that's the problem to find developes I see Jan 19 22:33:52 ah ok Jan 19 22:33:54 I understand Jan 19 22:33:58 you wanted to try it Jan 19 22:34:02 to see what we did Jan 19 22:34:09 even computer gnu/linux developers doesn't want to mess with phones Jan 19 22:34:11 well, I made a youtube video Jan 19 22:34:18 that someone else posted on youtube Jan 19 22:34:39 some do but not at low level Jan 19 22:34:49 most people in fre software communities are ok with android phones Jan 19 22:35:19 GNUtoo|laptop, (video) the one with htcdream? Jan 19 22:35:21 which have non-free libs Jan 19 22:35:28 the one in 3 parts Jan 19 22:35:35 with htc dream Jan 19 22:36:05 yes :) Jan 19 22:37:24 I think we should focus some efforts on getting support from free software community people using android phones to help with more gnu/linux-ish distros Jan 19 22:37:56 hmmm not sure Jan 19 22:38:09 a lot of people have n900 too Jan 19 22:38:09 GNUtoo|laptop, hope we'll have some time in fosdem as you said you could told me some info about android phones for my posible future speech Jan 19 22:38:25 yes I'll be at fosdem Jan 19 22:38:32 I think even one day before Jan 19 22:38:55 yeah but we need a bigger user-base who can try and develop little apps Jan 19 22:39:06 yes indeed Jan 19 22:39:09 that's a big problem Jan 19 22:39:15 we need polished applications Jan 19 22:39:22 that needs a bigger user base Jan 19 22:40:29 we should somehow encourage people to join fso/shr/openmoko community Jan 19 22:40:52 yes Jan 19 22:41:05 at least atm I see that SHR is quite closed to outside world. It's quite difficult for newcommers to discover it hehe Jan 19 22:41:09 maybe I could recruit people from the free software community Jan 19 22:41:28 but they may want to derive from SHR Jan 19 22:41:33 and to make a more free distro Jan 19 22:41:37 without firmwares etc... Jan 19 22:41:46 s/firmwares/non-free firmwares/ Jan 19 22:41:46 GNUtoo|laptop meant: without non-free firmwares etc... Jan 19 22:42:03 GNUtoo|laptop, hmm is SHR shipping with non-free firmwares by default? Jan 19 22:42:19 no Jan 19 22:42:35 but some ports needs the firmwares Jan 19 22:42:48 there are several issues with SHR: Jan 19 22:42:50 *gllin Jan 19 22:43:09 *the fact that something proprietary could go in by accident Jan 19 22:43:17 for the firmwares I'm unsure Jan 19 22:43:28 maybe it ships some, maybe not Jan 19 22:43:37 because they get included in linux Jan 19 22:43:39 the kernel Jan 19 22:44:03 by "could go in by accident" you mean included when building linux? Jan 19 22:44:20 imagine the following scenario: Jan 19 22:44:48 some developper add a non-free package in openembedded Jan 19 22:44:57 shr developpers build an image and get that Jan 19 22:45:07 and don't know about it Jan 19 22:45:19 for instance an emulator like mame Jan 19 22:45:59 you mean "shr developpers build an image and get that"+without knowing? Jan 19 22:46:00 whose license forbid commercial redistribution Jan 19 22:46:07 yes Jan 19 22:46:31 for instance : Jan 19 22:46:38 imagine someone from TI does the following Jan 19 22:46:52 imagine that he chooses to depend on non-free redistributable 3d somewhere Jan 19 22:47:02 for instance in omap3.inc, in qt-free-gles Jan 19 22:47:06 or something like that Jan 19 22:47:11 and that we got that by error Jan 19 22:47:15 it's quite possible Jan 19 22:47:36 for instance when I ran gentoo in the past Jan 19 22:47:41 I got a non-free dependency Jan 19 22:47:53 it was XV, an image editor like gimp Jan 19 22:47:56 I installed a lib Jan 19 22:48:01 and I got that Jan 19 22:48:43 yes but that can happen in any distro, being OE based or not. So I don't see any benefits in forking Jan 19 22:48:53 forking or helping Jan 19 22:49:04 because fsf is rather strict on some point Jan 19 22:49:12 you can't advertize non-free software Jan 19 22:49:14 such as firmwares Jan 19 22:49:31 which are needed for wifi on most ports like htc dream, palm-pre, n900 Jan 19 22:49:52 their solution would be to use usb host Jan 19 22:49:57 but that's highly inpractical Jan 19 22:50:12 maybe I should convince them to convince TI to free their firmware Jan 19 22:50:25 well I think there's difference in shipping non-free software by default and on the other hand letting people install them if they need so Jan 19 22:50:39 yes Jan 19 22:50:47 there is even difference between firmwares Jan 19 22:50:52 and driver or libraries Jan 19 22:50:53 but yes, I understand that some people might not think the same Jan 19 22:51:14 it's not that Jan 19 22:51:23 it's rather pressure the manufacturer towards more freedom Jan 19 22:52:00 personally I'm more worried about the BIOS Jan 19 22:52:05 yes but we return to the start point. We are not enough people to go pressuring manufactors :P Jan 19 22:52:05 or about google Jan 19 22:52:23 let's see what happens Jan 19 22:52:29 atheros released a firmware Jan 19 22:52:31 as gplv2 Jan 19 22:52:46 carl1970 Jan 19 22:52:54 the firmware is gplv2 Jan 19 22:52:57 it's a wifi card Jan 19 22:55:36 GNUtoo|laptop: what Atheros chip you mean? is also open sourced FW for our Wi-Fi inside FR? Jan 19 22:56:17 http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/carl9170 Jan 19 22:56:24 I don't know for the freerunner Jan 19 22:56:32 but freerunner has ar6k Jan 19 22:56:52 http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/carl9170.fw Jan 19 23:04:53 ok Jan 19 23:09:17 I'll go bye Jan 20 00:07:30 mrmoku: http://linux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~zub/SHR/0001-dbus-glid-update-HOMEPAGE.patch - ueber trivial one, but as I just bumped into it (thinking what the hell is dbus-hlid :) Jan 20 00:16:36 pespin: I fear most people who were potentially interested in free phones got burned by OpenMoko, and prefer to stick with working half-free stuff like Android or maemo now :-( Jan 20 00:18:28 antrik, yeah I know, but I think that is compatible with hacking on it. You can usually boot original SO and SHR for example Jan 20 00:18:39 but people are not willing to do that neither Jan 20 00:19:00 antrik, btw, were you the one who was looking for a way to switch alsa scenarios? Jan 20 00:19:51 as for getting more people involved in SHR... well, it's a PR problem for sure to some extent -- most people probably don't realize that SHR is not Openmoko-only nowadays Jan 20 00:20:19 but I'm not sure that's the only problem Jan 20 00:20:31 the community here is not exactly welcoming... Jan 20 00:22:22 no, I wasn't asking about scenarios Jan 20 00:24:30 antrik, well I wouldn't say that the community here is not welcoming, but it's true that we should work on showing a "public face" to the "outside world". I hope you understand what I mean Jan 20 00:25:01 ie. write a bit more into the blog, add stuff to wiki, etc. Jan 20 00:27:18 I think generally eople who hear from us go to the web page and doesn't see all the work which has been done or which is being done at that moment. And don't see neither some specific work which could be done. Jan 20 00:27:40 sorry, but my experience so far is not exactly positive :-( Jan 20 00:28:09 admittedly, I haven't tried the lists so far, only IRC Jan 20 00:29:46 antrik, hmm would you say your experience in this channel isn't positive? Jan 20 00:30:09 yes, that's what I'm saying Jan 20 00:30:36 antrik, it's posible as a user, but I wouldn't say that as a developer Jan 20 00:30:50 half of my questions don't get an answer at all (and that's not just me -- I see that happening to other people as well) Jan 20 00:30:54 antrik, you should definetly try maling lists then :) Jan 20 00:31:40 when I enquired about readding SIM phonebook support (which is a showstopper to me), people refused even to give an estimate how much effort it would take Jan 20 00:31:42 there's e-users and e-devs, and you can get more deedback there Jan 20 00:32:13 to me this is screaming, "we don't care about contributions, we only care about our own agenda" Jan 20 00:33:51 antrik, with SIM phonebook you mean contacts list in SIM? Jan 20 00:40:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r154652fdbd2c 10/configure.ac: catch up with vala Jan 20 00:43:14 ui. reintrodution of dbus-hlid? Jan 20 00:43:15 pespin: yes Jan 20 00:44:51 playya_, there was someone complaining about it not building in mailing list Jan 20 00:44:59 ah. ok Jan 20 00:45:14 "after a long time I'm trying to bitbake fso-console-image and dbus-hlid doesn't compile for me." Jan 20 00:46:44 antrik, I would say they'd love to have more contributions. Jan 20 00:48:42 antrik, afaik there's little amount of people with time and knowledge enough to work on those things, so they try to do which is more needed and critical. Jan 20 00:49:04 Having more people working on it would mean more features added and bugs fixed. Jan 20 00:51:25 antrik, here we usually have too much things to do and too few people/time :P Jan 20 00:53:21 antrik, some days before I was talking with gnutoo about doing some kind of TODO wiki page so developers posted there a list of thing they wanted to do when they got time and posibly users could add list of features they'd like to have. Jan 20 00:53:42 there was a similar page for this on shr-settings Jan 20 00:54:06 antrik, do you think that would be a good idea? Jan 20 00:55:52 yes, a roadmap is *always* very helpful Jan 20 00:57:40 and no, regarding the SIM phonebook, the responsible people made it very clear that they do *not* want contributions. they consider the feature stupid and don't want to see it added back Jan 20 00:58:24 antrik, yeah. I think we could then do some kind of weekly press note and post it into the blog, so people can easily see new changes and that the distro continues evolving. Jan 20 00:58:53 antrik, what are you asking for exactly? Jan 20 00:59:10 btw, we have a UI to import/export users from/to SIM. Jan 20 00:59:22 I thought you were speaking about something similar to that Jan 20 01:00:22 and quite frankly, I do not feel like starting my SHR carrer by forking a major component, just because some smartass thinks he know better what features are useful :-( Jan 20 01:04:16 using import/export would be a half-assed workaround. I'm not really willing to compromise like that -- the whole reason to use a free phone is so I can make things work the way I want, instead of kludging around existing limitations... Jan 20 01:06:32 I hate my non-free feature phone precisely because of such stupid limitations. except it does SIM contacts just fine -- so why should I trade it for a free phone that can't do that? Jan 20 01:07:34 pespin: BTW, I hope you don't take my ranting personally. obviously you are not responsible for my frustration :-) Jan 20 01:10:22 antrik, nah, no problem :) Jan 20 01:12:51 antrik, well, maybe when you asked for it the UI/app we use now wasn't done yet. I think you should add some ticket in trac asking for inclusion of some SIM features into ... *looking for the app name* Jan 20 01:13:50 ah ok it's in phoneui Jan 20 01:15:09 phoneui-sim-manager Jan 20 01:15:35 I think it would be great too that the UI did some more things Jan 20 01:18:04 the other day I was using it and wanted to do something which I now don't remember (yeah, I have bad memory xD) and I found now way to do it u.u Jan 20 01:20:09 antrik, btw, phoneui-sim-manager can edit contacts in place (in SIM) if you didn't now :) Jan 20 01:21:28 if you have never tried it, is in shr-settings -> others -> sim-manager Jan 20 01:21:33 time to sleep now Jan 20 01:21:36 gnight! Jan 20 01:23:33 does that mean it's possible to edic SIM contacts in place, but I have to sync them to the phone contacts before I can use them for calls/SMS? now that would be a whole extra level of absurdness... Jan 20 02:41:20 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r42653c9489dc 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/logger.vala: Jan 20 02:41:20 freesmartphone.org: libfsobasics: Add data method to Logger for logging Jan 20 02:41:20 freesmartphone.org: binary data in hexdump style **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 20 02:59:57 2011