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Feb 07 09:08:36 <JaMa|Off> PaulFertser: ChristW_: cifs in feed
Feb 07 09:09:53 <PaulFertser> JaMa|Off: yo, thanks :)
Feb 07 09:10:43 <JaMa|Off> yw
Feb 07 09:10:59 <JaMa|Off> btw did you found some time to test gta01 kernel?
Feb 07 09:11:02 <JaMa|Off> .34 or .37?
Feb 07 09:11:19 <JaMa|Off> there was someone on ML looking for usable image
Feb 07 09:11:28 <PaulFertser> JaMa|Off: hm, not yet but i guess i can do that soon since you say there's some demand.
Feb 07 09:13:34 <JaMa|Off> PaulFertser: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2011-February/006978.html
Feb 07 09:14:56 * JaMa|Off off again
Feb 07 10:12:22 <[Rui]> mornin
Feb 07 15:13:52 <playya> grml
Feb 07 15:14:03 <GNUtoo|htcdream|> hi palyya
Feb 07 15:14:06 <GNUtoo|htcdream|> hi pespin
Feb 07 15:14:11 <playya> need to cancel mdbus port to gdbus because of a vala bug :/
Feb 07 15:14:36 <playya> hi GNUtoo|htcdream| 
Feb 07 16:17:04 <[Rui]> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f5bcfa957eb6b05561089fca04af9ddc.png
Feb 07 16:17:11 <[Rui]> look at the soft key
Feb 07 16:17:52 <[Rui]> the buttons are further appart (but too much for what I wished), and are still too small. anyone knows if the quickpanel enforces a maximum height?
Feb 07 17:53:06 <aloniv> Hello all: I cannot receive SMS messages on SHR-testing and SHR-unstable using a 3G SIM card from Orange in Israel. I can receive messages on other distributions like Om 2009 and QTMoko. 
Feb 07 18:10:33 <[Rui]> pespin: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f5bcfa957eb6b05561089fca04af9ddc.png
Feb 07 18:11:29 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcca2b2abeb8c 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_nokia_isi/mediators.vala: fsogsmd: modem_nokia_isi: bring back sim auth and device info mediators
Feb 07 18:11:58 <pespin> [Rui], uhm what's the issue with that? :P
Feb 07 18:12:28 <[Rui]> pespin: two things... 1) I made the buttons be a little farther apart from each other.
Feb 07 18:12:42 <pespin> ah yes :)
Feb 07 18:12:43 <[Rui]> BUT they're too small. 
Feb 07 18:12:56 <pespin> too small? I see them quite big
Feb 07 18:13:06 <[Rui]> pespin: I'm thinking it's being a quick panel that makes them hard to press
Feb 07 18:13:35 <[Rui]> pespin: they should be about a finger size
Feb 07 18:13:50 <[Rui]> any button smaller than elm_finger_size() shouldn't be there
Feb 07 18:14:10 <pespin> [Rui], I'm personally using smaller ELM_FINGERZISE than default one in my neo ;)
Feb 07 18:14:27 <[Rui]> pespin: you must have thin, delicate and precise hands :)
Feb 07 18:14:54 <pespin> [Rui], large fingernails to play classical guitar helps a lot :P
Feb 07 18:15:23 <[Rui]> pespin: you're lucky it's a resistive rather than capacitative screen then :)
Feb 07 18:15:39 <pespin> yep, I know xD
Feb 07 18:16:20 <[Rui]> but they should be at least as big as the icons on the desktop :)
Feb 07 18:17:16 <[Rui]> the top bar I can only reach with the finger nails anyway
Feb 07 18:18:21 <[Rui]> but when the buttons are too close it was frequent that I'd close a window when switching windows or the other way around
Feb 07 18:18:26 <pespin> [Rui], yes, I have been having problems when trying to press the topbar to show shr_elm_softkey lately too
Feb 07 18:18:43 <[Rui]> pespin: if you notice, I have less gadgets than the default as well.
Feb 07 18:18:56 <pespin> ah yes :)
Feb 07 18:19:11 <pespin> I should remove gsm one, as it isn't visible with efenniht theme anyway hehe
Feb 07 18:19:27 <[Rui]> that window splitter thing isn't at all useful, the r|l neither (not with tslib and right mouse button emulation)
Feb 07 18:20:05 <pespin> yep that's right
Feb 07 18:20:27 <[Rui]> without those two useless buttons, it's easy enough to get the soft key :)
Feb 07 18:21:37 <pespin> thanks for separating the softkey buttons :)
Feb 07 18:21:41 <pespin> is it already upstream?
Feb 07 18:21:46 <pespin> or just local modification?
Feb 07 18:26:11 <pespin> [Rui], ^
Feb 07 18:40:31 <antrik> aloniv: I guess you better file a bug report...
Feb 07 18:44:52 <antrik> pespin: I never understood that part about fingernails and guitar... I always found fingernails very obscructive for that
Feb 07 18:45:45 <pespin> antrik, fingers are great depending on the kind of music you are playing with it ;)
Feb 07 18:46:12 <pespin> I can assure you I have problems to play well when I break a nail hehe :P
Feb 07 18:47:12 <[Rui]> pespin: sorry, local modification yet. don't know if I have write on this module or if it goes agains dev's designs :)
Feb 07 18:47:55 <pespin> [Rui], I think TAsn did it, just ask him :)
Feb 07 18:48:07 <[Rui]> yup
Feb 07 18:48:20 <[Rui]> but I'm thinking on whether I should first add a couple of things :)
Feb 07 18:48:36 <[Rui]> like a task lsit :)
Feb 07 18:49:08 <[Rui]> and that pesky home icon so I have one less useless on top bar
Feb 07 18:49:25 <pespin> [Rui], that could be great indeed. There was some great sketch (I think in ml) for the look some time ago
Feb 07 18:49:42 <[Rui]> I liked the previous one, from the times of illume1
Feb 07 18:49:44 <antrik> [Rui]: in this screenshot, the buttons *are* as large as the desktop icons...
Feb 07 18:49:52 <[Rui]> antrik: no, they aren't :(
Feb 07 18:50:02 <[Rui]> they're small and too close to the top bar
Feb 07 18:50:07 <antrik> (well, about 10% smaller, but I guess that's just because they have some kind of white border)
Feb 07 18:50:11 <pespin> [Rui], you could add the home button to the softkey layer
Feb 07 18:50:14 <[Rui]> making it easy to press anything in the top bar area by accident
Feb 07 18:50:17 <[Rui]> pespin: yes.
Feb 07 18:50:42 <[Rui]> antrik: I think it's because it's an elm_quickpanel, but nobody on #edevelop has answered my doubts about it
Feb 07 18:52:04 <antrik> BTW, how does right-click emulation work?
Feb 07 18:53:02 <[Rui]> antrik: hold some spot for a short while
Feb 07 18:53:43 <Heinervdm> or use the right click gadget
Feb 07 18:53:53 <Heinervdm> click in the L in the top bar
Feb 07 18:53:55 <[Rui]> Heinervdm: works *worse* than rtl emulation
Feb 07 18:54:15 <[Rui]> erms.. rm
Feb 07 18:54:16 <[Rui]> rmb
Feb 07 18:54:41 <Heinervdm> [Rui]: but is it enabled by default?
Feb 07 18:55:08 <[Rui]> Heinervdm: right now, yes.
Feb 07 18:55:13 <Heinervdm> ok
Feb 07 18:55:42 <[Rui]> the only problem with rmb is with apps that use dragging (like eve browser).
Feb 07 18:55:50 <antrik> BTW, what do you guys think about qtmoko-like task switching with AUX button?...
Feb 07 18:55:58 <[Rui]> rmb emulation can be triggered by accident
Feb 07 18:56:21 <[Rui]> antrik: a good way to ruin that button :)
Feb 07 18:56:27 <[Rui]> if you use it a lot
Feb 07 18:57:46 <antrik> is it that fragile? that's annoying :-(
Feb 07 19:13:14 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgisi * r3ec22f0be4cf 10/ (gisicomm/gisicomm.vala tests/testping.vala): gisicomm: add SIMAuth.sendPin
Feb 07 19:13:22 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r97d25ab71816 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_nokia_isi/mediators.vala: fsogsmd: implement set pin
Feb 07 19:19:06 <[Rui]> antrik: to me it seems like it, but maybe it isn't, I don't know
Feb 07 19:32:58 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgisi * r75a7ed8b3776 10/gisicomm/gisicomm.vala: gisicomm: subscribe to SIM Auth indications
Feb 07 19:50:37 <ChristW_> PaulFertser: Thanks for including cifs-related stuff in the feed! I've succesfully mounted my 'music' share and played a few tracks!
Feb 07 19:51:37 <[Rui]> ChristW_: yay! :)
Feb 07 19:52:02 <ChristW_> I need to sit right next to the Airport base station to get to them, but hey ;-)
Feb 07 19:52:21 <ChristW_> Nah, just kidding, it works around the house.
Feb 07 20:07:50 <playya> ok. mdbus works with gdbus: [SIGNAL] org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.Device.Wireless.PropertiesChanged  /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/1  :1.1
Feb 07 20:07:50 <playya> ({'Bitrate': <uint32 12000>},)
Feb 07 20:35:59 <larsc> i'm wondering has anybody ever routed audio from the codec directly to the bt on the freerunner?
Feb 07 20:36:26 <lindi-> larsc: you mean from gsm to bt?
Feb 07 20:36:30 <lindi-> larsc: or cpu to bt?
Feb 07 20:37:45 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07gdbus * r096ac5ebb947 10cornucopia/tools/mdbus2/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am src/main.vala): 
Feb 07 20:37:46 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: mdbus: port to GDBus and GVariant
Feb 07 20:37:46 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: This requires vala master after 2011-02-07 19:38:36 (GMT)
Feb 07 20:37:50 <larsc> lindi-: doesn't matter
Feb 07 20:37:57 <lindi-> larsc: well they are different cases
Feb 07 20:38:33 <larsc> as far as i understand it you can send audio data over usb or over pcm
Feb 07 20:38:39 <larsc> to the bt chip
Feb 07 20:38:55 <lindi-> larsc: yep
Feb 07 20:39:13 <larsc> and i'm looking for info on the later
Feb 07 20:39:38 <lindi-> larsc: I understood that it's what is actually used by people who use a bt headset with fr
Feb 07 20:39:54 <playya> the port to gdbus removes nearly 50% of the mdbus2's code :)
Feb 07 20:40:13 <lindi-> larsc: I personally gave up trying since bt was so complex
Feb 07 20:40:29 <lindi-> larsc: after I noticed that different bt chipsets behave differently...
Feb 07 20:41:45 <larsc> i'm currently reading the datasheet and apperently you have to write some registers over usb to active the pcm link
Feb 07 20:41:53 <larsc> and there is no code doing this
Feb 07 20:42:06 <larsc> so I wonder if anybody has ever made this work
Feb 07 20:44:01 <lindi-> larsc: the code is pasted to irc by people randomly :)
Feb 07 20:44:58 <lindi-> larsc: "With help from Paul Fertser and Jörg Reisenweber i was able to get
Feb 07 20:45:01 <lindi-> bidirectional PCM between BT and GSM working on GTA02. I used the setup
Feb 07 20:45:04 <lindi-> described on:
Feb 07 20:45:05 <lindi-> larsc:   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_headset
Feb 07 20:45:07 <lindi-> "
Feb 07 20:46:14 <larsc> DocScrutinizer: ping
Feb 07 20:46:23 <DocScrutinizer> pong
Feb 07 20:47:07 <larsc> and of course the code setting up the pcm link is gone... http://handheldshell.com/bluetooth_pcm
Feb 07 20:47:20 <larsc> DocScrutinizer: see the discussion above
Feb 07 20:48:03 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, yes
Feb 07 20:50:58 <larsc> ah ok, apperently the bluez sets up whether to use the pcm or the hci interface
Feb 07 20:51:15 <DocScrutinizer> I dunno
Feb 07 20:51:35 <DocScrutinizer> iirc it writes this to bt firmware actually :-S
Feb 07 20:51:53 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser knows more about that particular PITA
Feb 07 20:53:02 <DocScrutinizer> anyway refs to external pages are always a *bad* idea for a wiki - except for the footnotes
Feb 07 20:53:26 <DocScrutinizer> never expect any external page to be stable
Feb 07 20:53:57 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless I thought we have that code locally somewhere
Feb 07 20:54:44 <DocScrutinizer> It should ship with SHR I'd guess
Feb 07 21:02:54 <DocScrutinizer> though it's annoying Angus Ainslie managed to delete that file from his site, probably by accidentally writing BTgps dir over BT dir
Feb 07 21:03:18 <DocScrutinizer> larsc: so any more questions ?
Feb 07 21:04:34 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, ok
Feb 07 21:04:36 <DocScrutinizer> cya
Feb 07 21:08:09 <larsc> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Feb 07 21:12:06 <DocScrutinizer> yw, ping me if you're interested to convert that alsa.state file to a proper list of controls to really set to a particular state. like in alsamixer sset DAI-mode 0 ...
Feb 07 21:13:45 <DocScrutinizer> nfc how arbitrary frameworks and distris deal with that recently, but one thing's for sure: publishing full alsa.state files is both clumsy and non-educative
Feb 07 21:14:45 <DocScrutinizer> basically it's almost like publishing the binary of a program only
Feb 07 21:14:58 <DocScrutinizer> hiding the howto behind it
Feb 07 21:15:43 <DocScrutinizer> just one thing is more idiotic: publishing diffs to state files, without even mentioning what's the original file
Feb 07 21:15:55 <DocScrutinizer> and that's what has been done for ages, even inside OM
Feb 07 21:18:54 <DocScrutinizer> larsc: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#using_Bluetooth_headset_with_GSM
Feb 07 21:22:46 <antrik> playya: a revision number would be easier to check than a date/time combo :-)
Feb 07 21:22:51 <antrik> (regarding your commit message)
Feb 07 21:23:55 <playya> not if you're using an official release
Feb 07 21:26:33 <antrik> well, best to include both I guess
Feb 07 21:27:18 <playya> yes
Feb 07 21:27:36 <playya> and you can check with cloning the whole repo
Feb 07 21:27:36 <Heinervdm> it's hard to check for an release that doesn't exists :D
Feb 07 21:30:32 <playya> grr. it seems GVariant doesn't like busnames as string format
Feb 07 22:39:26 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07gdbus * rd05338a5832c 10cornucopia/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: Add support for calling methods without introspection and parameters
Feb 07 22:43:53 <[Rui]> I'll have a new shr_elm_softkey RSN
Feb 07 22:46:19 <pespin> [Rui], RSN?
Feb 07 22:46:30 <[Rui]> real soon now
Feb 07 22:48:12 <playya> mrmoku, ping
Feb 07 23:04:46 <[Rui]> well, for the moment it doesn't have any new features, just blazingly faster and simpler, much thanks go to TAsn who oriented me
Feb 07 23:05:17 <[Rui]> oh, one new feature, buttons further apart as in http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f5bcfa957eb6b05561089fca04af9ddc.png
Feb 07 23:05:38 <[Rui]> it's already installed in my freerunner and seems to work as advertised
Feb 07 23:27:11 <pespin> [Rui], great :)
Feb 07 23:27:38 <[Rui]> pespin: which means, exactly like it works now, but with buttons appart and lots of bugs fixed.
Feb 07 23:27:50 <[Rui]> now I'm trying to get it to show a task list as well
Feb 07 23:53:12 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07gdbus * rfbca78755049 10cornucopia/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: Fix completion for interface methods
Feb 08 00:10:08 <[Rui]> I almost have a list of running apps working
Feb 08 00:10:46 <pespin> [Rui], upload img when you are done :)
Feb 08 00:11:00 <[Rui]> won't get done tonight, too tired already
Feb 08 00:11:12 <[Rui]> I just want to fix a crash I get navigating the tasks
Feb 08 00:11:13 <pespin> hehe ok
Feb 08 00:11:44 <[Rui]> which I did! Neat!
Feb 08 00:12:46 <[Rui]> ok, tomorrow do a GUI for that. for now it looks just like this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0ab89a89df8077505fdc03fa2c8eef48.png
Feb 08 00:13:14 <[Rui]> if I could have an event for when the quickpanel appears/disappears, then I wouldn't need that button.
Feb 08 00:13:16 <[Rui]> as it is...
Feb 08 00:16:20 <[Rui]> it will already be nice if by accident this would solve that misterious launch fail that sometimes happens with the softkey
Feb 08 00:16:31 <[Rui]> well, bed time! :) gnight
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