**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 12 02:59:57 2011 Mar 12 09:00:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU :-o Mar 12 09:00:44 4 more pending Mar 12 09:16:05 DocScrutinizer: thanks (can't get the BBC's video to work properly for some reason) Mar 12 09:49:33 morphis: short pong Mar 12 11:35:04 How to go about patches for og.openembedded.dev that are highly specific to SHR ? Where to send them ? Mar 12 11:38:06 I'm trying to make a change to libphone-ui-shr. I've added a button in dialer-view.c. I then rebuilt the package using the directions on the 'Building SHR' wiki. How can I check if the change I made makes it into the ipk that I've built? Mar 12 11:38:35 I've copied it over the the FR and used 'opkg --force-downgrade install libph*ipk', but my button doesn't show up. Mar 12 11:41:13 <[Rui]> ChristW: I'd say you didn't build from your sources Mar 12 11:41:47 [Rui]: Ok, seems (perhaps) reasonable. But what do I do to do so? Mar 12 11:44:14 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: Weiss: wtf's that video? japan's nuclear reactor melt down? Mar 12 11:45:04 <[Rui]> ChristW: I build local packages in a non standard way but at least seems to work better (at least for me) for building local packages rather than from buildenv's repo recipes Mar 12 11:45:15 <[Rui]> ChristW: first I bb -k fubar Mar 12 11:45:40 <[Rui]> ChristW: then I copy fubar's recipe and change the src-uri to file:///tmp/${PN}-${PV}.tar.gz Mar 12 11:46:03 <[Rui]> ChristW: then I go into my software and make dist-gzip and mv fubar-version.tar.gz /tmp Mar 12 11:46:18 <[Rui]> then I bb -b myFubarRecipe.bb -c build Mar 12 11:46:29 <[Rui]> of course if it fails and you retry, you have to clean first Mar 12 11:46:35 <[Rui]> bb -b myFubarRecipe.bb -c clean Mar 12 11:47:16 <[Rui]> another advantage of this method is finding out about make dist bugs Mar 12 11:47:49 <[Rui]> like someone adds files to an edc file but not to EXTRA_DIST and then while make works, a release tar ball won't carry the necessary files Mar 12 11:48:20 [Rui]: some kind of explosion at the reactor, yeah.. noone's said what actually happened, and so there are loads of rumours and crap going round Mar 12 11:49:24 I've heard bit on the radio news as well. Radiation level is up to 20x the standard. Radioactive steam has been let off. Cooling is not working in some parts. It's unknown if the reactir has been damaged. Mar 12 11:49:41 <[Rui]> chernobyl v2 Mar 12 11:50:03 <[Rui]> it's not smart to have nuclear powerplants in such quake-prone regions Mar 12 11:50:21 I haven't seen images/videos yet, but I guess they will be all over the news at 13:00. Mar 12 11:51:00 Chernobyl was not earthquake-prone, but that seemed to be human failure. Failure is always an option, unfortunately! Mar 12 11:55:28 <[Rui]> ChristW: yeah, I meant v2 as in another major nuclear accident Mar 12 12:01:53 INES level 7 Mar 12 12:01:57 let's not hope for that Mar 12 12:08:52 dcordes: INES level 7? Mar 12 12:09:15 Truly bizarre, to see cars, trucks, boats and houses floating through streets! Mar 12 12:09:42 dcordes: Ok, I found it on Wikipedia. Mar 12 12:10:47 it is the chernobyl equivalent Mar 12 12:11:11 If Japan meets an event of that magnitude... wow! (Not in the positive sense...) Mar 12 12:11:30 Japan is vastly more populated/km2 than, say, Russia! Mar 12 12:11:49 nobody seems to be able to tell now Mar 12 12:11:57 people have to wait it out. must be the hell Mar 12 12:12:16 The news just told me that experts say that the reactor mantle has not been damaged. Mar 12 12:12:42 is ther any information on the ongoign processes ? Mar 12 12:12:51 Radioactive matter has been transferred from the core to the cooling luquids (hence the radioactive steam), but levels have been falling lately. Mar 12 12:13:09 So, for now, that's 'good news'. Mar 12 12:13:25 There are still worries, of course. Mar 12 12:13:46 http://cnn.com ? Mar 12 12:14:57 cnn has a 'live japan tv stream' Javascript popup with Flash video. Wow, no Silvelight this time! Mar 12 12:15:30 silverlight? we need that for SHR ! people will love it! (just kidding) Mar 12 12:16:12 * ChristW thwacks dcordes with... anything in sight, really! Mar 12 12:16:53 Most live stream use Silverlight lately. Let's congratulate CNN for _not_ doing that! Mar 12 12:16:59 silverlight based web app twitter client Mar 12 12:17:07 :D Mar 12 12:17:28 oh I promisted to nat talk about twitter again, sorry Mar 12 12:18:08 * dcordes watching stream Mar 12 12:18:25 ChristW: have you been able to test your ipk ? Mar 12 12:19:21 dcordes: Not yet, I've yet to re-build it using [Rui]'s instructions. Mar 12 12:30:00 [Rui]: ~/shr-unstable $ bb -b mylibphone-ui_git -c build Mar 12 12:30:02 ERROR: Unable to match mylibphone-ui_git Mar 12 12:30:42 (Oh, same for .bb added...) Mar 12 12:31:49 You said 'I copy fubar's recipe...'. You just copy it to ~/openembedded/recipies/shr? Mar 12 12:33:33 ChristW: just copy in same dir Mar 12 12:34:15 Same dir as the original recipe was in, you mean. Mar 12 12:38:46 yes Mar 12 13:00:28 <[Rui]> ChristW: use full path name for the recipe with -b Mar 12 13:00:37 <[Rui]> or relative, not just the name Mar 12 13:12:37 ChristW: ..right. also mylibphone-ui_git is not the target name but mylibphone-ui Mar 12 13:13:16 so if you don't put -b you only do 'bitbake mylibphone-ui' else 'bitbake -b where/is/mylibphone-ui_git.bb' as per [Rui] Mar 12 13:26:01 _git is the version Mar 12 13:53:36 lindi-: you really have a hardcore setup... Mar 12 14:59:09 antrik: really? i thought it was as normal as possible :) no experimental programming languages or toolkits :P Mar 12 17:14:53 antrik: my setup is Debian + FSO from git self-compiled on FR itself + my own UI for Emacs :) Mar 12 17:18:32 PaulFertser: that's quite close to what I have :) Mar 12 17:20:21 lindi-: hey man. BTW, my friend and i managed to build an igloo too. Using a bucket and a shovel, no other equipment. Mar 12 17:24:54 PaulFertser: nice, how long did it take? any photos? Mar 12 17:25:40 lindi-: will provide you with photos soon. It's hard to tell exactly because we did it for about 1.5-2 hours per day in 3 days. Mar 12 17:26:33 The resulting igloo was a rather small, two people could sit comfortably enough inside, but that's it. Mar 12 17:27:37 PaulFertser: ok, using more than one day helps :) Mar 12 17:28:21 lindi-: indeed :) A tough task given that snow is not nearly the same as is usually used by those building igloos "professionally". Mar 12 17:28:33 And had to be packed tightly in something. Mar 12 17:40:08 lindi-: http://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/igloo/ Mar 12 17:41:03 PaulFertser: have you tried to spend the night in that yet? ;) Mar 12 17:41:56 lindi-: of course not Mar 12 17:42:31 lindi-: probably next winter we'll go to his countryhouse and build another one there to test. Mar 12 17:42:35 lindi-: what about you? Mar 12 17:44:44 PaulFertser: of course I tested it :) Mar 12 17:45:18 lindi-: spent the whole night in it? Mar 12 17:49:44 <[Rui]> ok, I got a multi_shift for the keyboard working :) Mar 12 17:50:29 <[Rui]> it's currently pending review before inclusion in enlightenment trunk, but as we're using a fixed version in shr now, perhaps the patch be included temporarily? Mar 12 18:19:52 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r3c2d20677a86 10/palmpre/fso-installer/Makefile: (log message trimmed) Mar 12 18:19:52 freesmartphone.org: palmpre: fso-installer: several small fixes Mar 12 18:19:52 freesmartphone.org: - add licence header at top of the makefile Mar 12 18:19:52 freesmartphone.org: - default TARGET set to value "unknown" so we ensure the user has to set it before Mar 12 18:19:52 freesmartphone.org: using the Makefile Mar 12 18:19:52 freesmartphone.org: - flash-image should flash the kernel to /boot/uImage-palmpre.bin as this is the one which Mar 12 18:19:53 freesmartphone.org: bootr will use for boot. If the user flash a kernel with another name than Mar 12 18:30:57 PaulFertser: yes Mar 12 18:34:07 lindi-: i never argued you're cooler than me :) Mar 12 19:01:34 PaulFertser: heh Mar 12 19:10:34 PaulFertser: I especially admire yellow "building glue" visible on some of the pictures :-D Mar 12 19:12:30 plotr: heh, it took several days and there's plenty of people and dogs lurking around (we did it at "Krylatskie Hills"), so no wonder :) Mar 12 19:13:01 yepp, know the place :) Mar 12 19:38:46 any known issues with *.openmoko.org availability? Mar 12 19:41:12 <[Rui]> here's a nice one for dcordes... http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2011/03/twitter-tells-third-party-devs-to-stop-making-twitter-client-apps.ars Mar 12 19:41:23 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: I suggest mirroring all useful info on another site Mar 12 20:14:02 [Rui]: does that mean ther are problems? I talked with Roh and he told me the vbox hosting OM mail is down, but that's not anything new Mar 12 20:15:41 I agree nevertheless about we should do a rsync of wiki to another server, even while probably not starting the wiki server to access it the usual way there Mar 12 20:16:31 also the repos I guess Mar 12 20:20:35 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: yes. Mar 12 20:20:46 <[Rui]> but there's valuable info there, if it's lost... Mar 12 20:21:07 <[Rui]> we should setup an automated backup system somewhere Mar 12 20:21:17 <[Rui]> it would be a shame to loose it all in case of some event Mar 12 20:23:34 afaik our sysops are running frequent automated backups Mar 12 20:24:29 <[Rui]> on non openmoko.com machines? Mar 12 20:26:34 no, of course not on non om machines. And om.com - what's that? ;-P It's more about making those backups available to the public, just in case the whole OM infrastructure gets blasted away, e.g by any issues with the sysops themselves Mar 12 20:27:57 generally you must check such setups for any single point of failure, which we got one or two Mar 12 20:29:45 while that's hard to fix for email, it should be easy for wiki and repositories (if there still are any relevant on the OM infra) Mar 12 20:40:36 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: what I mean is that if at any moment FIC pulls the cord, it can happen suddenly Mar 12 20:41:05 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: and in that case, backups on OM infrastructure may be gone at the same time Mar 12 20:41:58 [Rui]: FIC has *nothing* to do with om.org Mar 12 20:42:12 <[Rui]> really? Mar 12 20:42:19 really Mar 12 20:42:22 <[Rui]> oh ok Mar 12 20:42:31 <[Rui]> I thought they still hosted Mar 12 20:43:41 OM.the.Inc divorced from FIC years ago Mar 12 20:45:07 the om.org servers are hosted at Hetzner, and had been payed by Sean/om.inc, dunno who's paying them right now, I heard some have been move to Harald/gnumonks Mar 12 21:17:36 mrmoku: ping any news on already seen sms issue? Mar 12 21:18:24 alexxy: mickey|bbl is away this week... so no Mar 12 21:18:42 ahh Mar 12 21:39:04 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: oh cool, hetzner? My current provider as well :) Mar 12 21:39:47 <[Rui]> mrmoku: hi, I implemented a multi-shift for illume-keyboard **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 13 02:59:57 2011