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Mar 16 06:31:59 <mrmoku> LionKMP: I'm quite sure it will
Mar 16 06:46:11 <mrmoku> moin GNUtoo|laptop 
Mar 16 06:46:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi
Mar 16 06:47:02 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: did you see my diff analysis?
Mar 16 06:47:07 <mrmoku> between the testlabs?
Mar 16 06:47:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
Mar 16 06:47:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> what came up?
Mar 16 06:48:00 <mrmoku> apart from mickeyl having debug tools and nfs in his minimal image there are the following maybe relevant differences:
Mar 16 06:48:11 <mrmoku> - he has libnl1 + libnl2
Mar 16 06:48:19 <mrmoku> - he has libpcap
Mar 16 06:48:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> ahh
Mar 16 06:48:24 <mrmoku> - he has zeroconf
Mar 16 06:48:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> we have libnl2 only right?
Mar 16 06:48:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> his image works?
Mar 16 06:48:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> did you test his images?
Mar 16 06:48:59 <mrmoku> no, not yet
Mar 16 06:49:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> then test them
Mar 16 06:49:18 <mrmoku> wanted to know if you already tested :)
Mar 16 06:49:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> no, I'm very busy 
Mar 16 06:49:37 <mrmoku> ok, will do it later today then
Mar 16 06:50:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok thanks
Mar 16 06:50:13 <mrmoku> let's hope it's one of those things :)
Mar 16 07:14:47 <captainigloo> Lopi: pong
Mar 16 08:27:00 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r44f22afd5a2f 10/msmcommd/src/modemchannel.vala: msmcommd: implement same urc waiter logic as in fsogsmd
Mar 16 08:28:38 <JaMa> moin
Mar 16 09:58:23 <arigead> Morning all
Mar 16 15:22:22 <alexxy> mrmoku: ping :)
Mar 16 15:22:36 <alexxy> mrmoku: any news for my issue with seen sms?
Mar 16 15:23:17 <max_posedon> Neo Freerunner is dead. Hello n900, looks like new epoch started for me.
Mar 16 15:23:38 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: how's so?
Mar 16 15:23:55 <max_posedon> Some charging issue, after 87% in minute comes 5%.
Mar 16 15:23:56 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: got something that allows you to make voice calls already?
Mar 16 15:24:08 <max_posedon> just bought n900)
Mar 16 15:24:30 <max_posedon> so, Neo Freerunner "online" online few hours.
Mar 16 15:24:39 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: i've a ~dead battery on my FR now, that's painful. But i hope the replacement ("oem" shit for ~3$) will get delivered soon.
Mar 16 15:26:00 <max_posedon> Neo Freerunner was my primary phone 2.5years, I just think its enough for it.
Mar 16 15:26:38 <max_posedon> I haven't styles, screen have a lot bad pixels and so on, and so on. battery was just "the last thing"
Mar 16 15:27:15 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: i see. Well, good luck with your new toy. Are you going to put Gentoo on it? ;)
Mar 16 15:27:57 <max_posedon> at least I'll try)
Mar 16 15:28:25 <max_posedon> not enough time last year with my current work.
Mar 16 15:30:23 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: is it at least enjoyable enough?
Mar 16 15:31:25 <max_posedon> Yes, I like it. Somehow its very interesting to do MMO game for me.
Mar 16 15:32:44 <max_posedon> I wasn't here a long time, what is SHR status on n900?
Mar 16 15:37:57 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: "almost ready"... Though telephony is about to start working "really soon".
Mar 16 15:41:07 <max_posedon> nice, really nice.
Mar 16 15:41:28 <max_posedon> because I want a lot of strange custom stuff 
Mar 16 15:42:40 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: no any sane power management in the kernel yet though. Probably it'll change soon as some plans to support n900 in meego are announced.
Mar 16 16:00:47 <mrmoku> alexxy: no news
Mar 16 17:41:53 <sC> ~nf
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Mar 16 17:43:06 <sC> i have a question about shr on the pre - does gsm already work?
Mar 16 17:46:29 <mrmoku> sC: for the pre morphis is the man to ask... not here right now though
Mar 16 17:47:03 <mrmoku> sC: probably GarthPS should know something too
Mar 16 17:47:07 <sC> no one got a clue? okay then i'll keep on waiting w/ buying a pre.. sticking to my FRs for the time beeing
Mar 16 17:48:11 <sC> mrmoku: thanks, i queried him
Mar 16 17:54:23 <GarthPS> mrmoku, sC: I go for a jooging . bb in less than an hour
Mar 16 17:54:42 <sC> garthps: okay have fun :)
Mar 16 18:05:52 <morphis> heyho
Mar 16 18:06:31 <morphis> mickeyl: ping
Mar 16 18:10:52 <alexxy> mrmoku: btw why fsogsmd again stores sms on sim?
Mar 16 18:26:02 <Osama> how i add Repository in shr to dawnloud Pidgin ?
Mar 16 18:26:35 <Osama> i haved N900 any idia ?
Mar 16 18:27:34 <sC> osama: i guess that pidgin is also compiled for the n900
Mar 16 18:27:48 <sC> have you tried opkg update && opkg install pidgin
Mar 16 18:28:01 <sC> (i guess it also does not provide a desktop icon)
Mar 16 18:28:45 <Osama> sC: aha i well try but no need Repository >
Mar 16 18:29:30 <sC> osama: i dont know for the n900 but i guess that pidgin is also in the standard repository - thus no need to add a new one
Mar 16 18:37:25 <Osama> sC: i dont haved base-feeds.conf  in /etc/opkg/
Mar 16 18:37:36 <Osama> shoud i haved ?
Mar 16 18:37:45 <sC> oh okay... yes i guess you should :)
Mar 16 18:38:35 <sC> you probably should add all shr-feeds (at least all from your dist [-U/-T])
Mar 16 18:38:43 <Osama> aha can you shar your base-feeds.conf with me
Mar 16 18:38:55 <sC> but then again: i dont reakky know on the n900 so i may be wrong
Mar 16 18:39:04 <sC> you could brick your n900 just that you know
Mar 16 18:39:13 <Osama> now proplem :)
Mar 16 18:39:16 <Osama> no*
Mar 16 18:39:51 <sC> i guess for the n900 there is only -u?
Mar 16 18:40:22 <PaulFertser> sC: do you mean n900 can be bricked? By what?
Mar 16 18:40:44 <Osama> no i dont think so
Mar 16 18:41:10 <sC> PaulFerster: no i just want to say i have no clue on other devices than the FR
Mar 16 18:41:11 <sC> ;)
Mar 16 18:42:19 <Osama> GNUtoo|laptop: welcame back
Mar 16 18:43:09 <GarthPS> sC: as far as I know for the moment the gsm support is on the way . but for more detail ask to morphis as he is here now.
Mar 16 18:43:56 <Osama> GarthPS: you mean in N900 ?
Mar 16 18:44:02 <GarthPS> sC I did not see your private post..7
Mar 16 18:44:11 <sC> okay
Mar 16 18:44:13 <GarthPS> Osama: nope on the pre(+/2)
Mar 16 18:44:58 <sC> osama: thats a standard /etc/opkg folder on shr
Mar 16 18:44:58 <sC> root@om-gta02 ~ # ls /etc/opkg/
Mar 16 18:44:59 <sC> all-feed.conf       armv4-feed.conf     om-gta02-feed.conf
Mar 16 18:44:59 <sC> arch.conf           armv4t-feed.conf    opkg.conf
Mar 16 18:45:50 <Osama> aha nice i dont haved om-gta02-feed.conf
Mar 16 18:46:11 <sC> @morphis: by "works" i mean im able to make some calls and send/recive sms
Mar 16 18:46:22 <sC> @osama: you also dont have a om-gta02 device
Mar 16 18:46:45 <Osama> aha so i dont need
Mar 16 18:47:10 <sC> but i guess you do have a *n900-feed.conf
Mar 16 18:47:30 <Osama> right
Mar 16 18:47:32 <morphis> sC: ok, the current state is the following: you can boot into SHR, authenticate against your sim card, make phone calls, you can send/recieve sms in theory (needs to be implement, but I am currently working on it)
Mar 16 18:47:50 <morphis> sC: but don't expect everything bug-free
Mar 16 18:47:55 <morphis> there is a lot of work to do
Mar 16 18:48:13 <morphis> but I would say Palm Pre is maybe the better one than the n900 :)
Mar 16 18:48:17 <sC> morphis: i dont... im using my gta02s since some years..
Mar 16 18:48:23 <morphis> ok
Mar 16 18:48:35 <morphis> it's development-state
Mar 16 18:48:39 <morphis> no alpha, no beta
Mar 16 18:48:44 <morphis> but it is working
Mar 16 18:48:44 <sC> as everything in shr is :D
Mar 16 18:48:46 <morphis> and we need help
Mar 16 18:48:49 <morphis> hehe
Mar 16 18:48:50 <sC> sounds interessting
Mar 16 18:48:59 <morphis> WiFi is working too
Mar 16 18:48:59 <Osama> how i can open n900-feed.conf from terminal ?
Mar 16 18:49:14 <sC> less /etc/opkg/n900-feed.conf
Mar 16 18:49:17 <sC> or nano to edit it
Mar 16 18:49:49 <sC> morphis: wich device would be most helpful? standard pre or rather the [+|2]?
Mar 16 18:50:00 <morphis> sC: they are mostly the same
Mar 16 18:50:09 <morphis> sC: if you can buy a Pre 2
Mar 16 18:50:17 <morphis> it is more powerful than the other two 
Mar 16 18:50:29 <morphis> and it's more up-to-date
Mar 16 18:51:24 <sC> morphis: but its 100€ against 460€ ;)
Mar 16 18:51:34 <morphis> yes
Mar 16 18:51:37 <sC> for a standard pre against the pre2
Mar 16 18:51:50 <morphis> sC: for SHR only the std. pre should be enough
Mar 16 18:52:00 <sC> okay thank you
Mar 16 18:52:09 <sC> ill fetch one then now :)
Mar 16 18:52:13 <morphis> it will take some time until we get at the point where the pre is not enough anymore
Mar 16 18:52:19 <morphis> sC: great :)
Mar 16 18:52:32 <morphis> sC: how many time do you have to support us in porting SHR?
Mar 16 18:52:56 <sC> basically weekdays from 16:30 (gmt+1)
Mar 16 18:52:57 <morphis> or how many time do you have?
Mar 16 18:53:02 <sC> i do have a lot :)
Mar 16 18:53:07 <morphis> ah sorry ... doubled question :)
Mar 16 18:53:13 <morphis> ok
Mar 16 18:53:22 <morphis> and what kind of knowledge do you have?
Mar 16 18:54:00 <sC> well extended linux, extended shr (using linux since february 2007, got my gta02 2 months after the release)
Mar 16 18:54:09 <morphis> ok
Mar 16 18:54:19 <morphis> hardware, programming skills?
Mar 16 18:54:56 <sC> hardware: just a little (really not much, dindt produce too much magic smoke till now) and im a horrible programmer
Mar 16 18:55:04 <morphis> ok
Mar 16 18:55:18 <sC> althougt i can read some programming languages i cant write
Mar 16 18:55:25 <morphis> ok
Mar 16 18:55:34 <morphis> what about OE?
Mar 16 18:55:56 <sC> no nothing i was always too lazy to compile anything for my neos
Mar 16 18:56:11 <morphis> ok
Mar 16 18:56:23 <sC> but i did compile a lot for x86 (i was running gobolinux a long time)
Mar 16 18:56:23 <morphis> then you have to start with that for the Pre
Mar 16 18:56:28 <morphis> ok
Mar 16 18:56:47 <sC> :P i guess its not too hard
Mar 16 18:57:08 <morphis> as I never tested the images for the Pre devices SHR produces on it's buildhost :)
Mar 16 18:57:16 <morphis> it should not :)
Mar 16 18:58:42 <morphis> sC: ping me if you have your device
Mar 16 18:58:49 <morphis> btw. where do you will buy it?
Mar 16 18:58:51 <morphis> at ebay?
Mar 16 18:59:06 <sC> amazon
Mar 16 18:59:11 <sC> why?
Mar 16 19:00:14 <morphis> ok, just asking :)
Mar 16 19:02:36 <sC> okay it's bought now im waiting for the delivery
Mar 16 19:04:53 <morphis> great
Mar 16 19:04:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> Osama, thanks, it's a bug in ath9k that is solved in the next kenrel
Mar 16 19:05:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> sC, basically if you can wait =>n900 else palm
Mar 16 19:06:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> or even htcdream if you need 3g but can stand a very bad alsa driver and wifi that eat battery very rapidely
Mar 16 19:07:47 <sC> gnutoo: i also thougth about buying a dream or a n900
Mar 16 19:07:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Mar 16 19:07:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> so it's already bought?
Mar 16 19:08:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> <sC> okay it's bought now im waiting for the delivery
Mar 16 19:08:00 <sC> yes
Mar 16 19:08:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Mar 16 19:08:19 <sC> gnutoo: but the pre was the cheapest and i like the design most :)
Mar 16 19:08:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes and it's more promizing than the dream
Mar 16 19:08:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> the dream is over, not developped anymore etc....
Mar 16 19:08:48 <sC> its even cheaper
Mar 16 19:08:57 <Osama> sC: N900 very nice
Mar 16 19:09:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi mrmoku 
Mar 16 19:09:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> did you test the modem?
Mar 16 19:24:24 <sC> is icq on pidgin working on the images (thus beeing a problem with my carrier) or is it a shr-problem?
Mar 16 19:24:25 <sC> also: does someone need a gta02? i would have a spare one now that the pre is bought for testing :)
Mar 16 19:48:15 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: no, had not time yet :/
Mar 16 19:48:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok neither do I
Mar 16 19:54:49 <morphis> playya: congratulations for your async signal handlers in the new vala release!
Mar 16 20:04:08 <Osama> GNUtoo|laptop how i add Repository in shr to dawnloud Pidgin ?
Mar 16 20:04:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> opkg update;opkg install pidgin
Mar 16 20:05:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> that should work
Mar 16 20:05:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> because we have piding in the feeds
Mar 16 20:05:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> it should even be in the big image
Mar 16 20:05:45 <Osama> opkg update;opkg install pidgin i do it
Mar 16 20:05:54 <Osama> but nathing !!
Mar 16 20:06:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> then pastebin the output so someone could look at it
Mar 16 20:06:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> the most probable case is that you don't have internet
Mar 16 20:06:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> on the n900
Mar 16 20:06:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> try to find the openmoko howto in the openmoko wiki
Mar 16 20:06:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> and apply it to your n900
Mar 16 20:06:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> that has the same ip
Mar 16 20:06:54 <Osama> aha
Mar 16 20:27:34 <sC> or try to run pidgin from the comand line
Mar 16 20:27:43 <sC> (just enter "pidgin" in the bash ;) )
Mar 16 20:36:10 <mrmoku> quit
Mar 16 20:36:32 <sC> mrmoku?
Mar 16 20:36:53 <mrmoku> :)
Mar 16 20:37:12 <mrmoku> failed to press the fn key on the n900 keyboard :P
Mar 16 20:40:56 <sC> should have been a /quit ?
Mar 16 20:44:44 <mrmoku> sC: yup... should have been
Mar 16 20:44:48 <alexxy> mrmoku: ping 
Mar 16 20:45:02 <alexxy> mrmoku: why fsogsmd stores every new sms on sim?
Mar 16 20:45:19 <sC> mrmoku: so.... why are you still here then (not that i want to get rid of you..)
Mar 16 20:45:19 <mrmoku> alexxy: because you turned on sim buffering?
Mar 16 20:45:37 <alexxy> mrmoku: how?
Mar 16 20:45:42 <mrmoku> sC: because I just /quitted the irssi running on my n900
Mar 16 20:45:43 <alexxy> i didnt chance settings
Mar 16 20:45:49 <mrmoku> sC: the one on my laptop is still here :)
Mar 16 20:45:55 <sC> ah okay :)
Mar 16 20:46:07 <alexxy> *change
Mar 16 20:46:10 <mrmoku> (my irssis are connected to bip on my server... so you won't notice)
Mar 16 20:46:24 <sC> mrmoku: i figured that
Mar 16 20:46:38 <mrmoku> alexxy: hmm... I did not hear about that changing
Mar 16 20:47:03 <alexxy> i noticed this because of sim full message
Mar 16 20:47:35 <mrmoku> alexxy: maybe a side effect of requesting notifications?
Mar 16 20:47:41 <mrmoku> that I could imagine... 
Mar 16 20:47:47 <alexxy> mrmoku: dunno
Mar 16 20:47:52 <alexxy> i can turn it off
Mar 16 20:48:05 <mrmoku> alexxy: maybe try to turn it off and check if that is it
Mar 16 20:49:07 <alexxy> but this shouldnt happen
Mar 16 20:50:53 * [Rui] waves
Mar 16 20:54:09 <mrmoku> alexxy: sure, that would be a bug
Mar 16 20:54:13 <mrmoku> hey [Rui] 
Mar 16 20:54:23 <mrmoku> lb sleeping ? :P
Mar 16 20:54:47 <Heinervdm> alexxy: you can look at the content of the messages with mdbus
Mar 16 20:55:01 <alexxy> its same as on opimd
Mar 16 20:55:01 <Heinervdm> perhaps that gives a hint
Mar 16 20:55:17 <[Rui]> mrmoku: yeah, too muc
Mar 16 20:56:02 <[Rui]> mrmoku: new thing: get's off nursery by 17, get's home, some mother's milk, then sleep from 18 to 00 or (like yesterday) almost 01:00, at which time we had to give hum his soup.
Mar 16 20:57:06 <mrmoku> [Rui]: hehe... better don't get him used to it ;)
Mar 16 21:03:08 <[Rui]> yeah :|
Mar 16 21:14:19 <[Rui]> woke up :)
Mar 16 21:17:36 <mrmoku> mickeyl: what mods do I have to do to your minimal image? new kernel and the /dev/cmt initscript or is there anything else?
Mar 16 21:25:17 <DocScrutinizer> mail.om.org down since Saturday. Damn this feels like little Japan
Mar 16 21:25:34 <DocScrutinizer> >.-(
Mar 16 22:11:56 <alexxy> mrmoku: it still writes sms to sim
Mar 16 22:12:08 <alexxy> even with delivery report off
Mar 16 22:12:21 <alexxy> but now i get two records with same sms
Mar 16 22:12:26 <alexxy> one as already seen
Mar 16 22:12:30 <alexxy> and one normal
Mar 16 22:33:54 <[Rui]> how can I delete messages from sim? why did the sim get full, shouldn't pim.db have the messages?
Mar 16 23:15:55 <[Rui]> ♺ @Lopi: w00t! #Sound is now working on the iPhone3G in !SHR. Time to work on implementing the #baseband and #accelerometer. #iX !iX !iphone
Mar 16 23:44:22 <khorben> hi guys
Mar 16 23:44:50 <khorben> would anyone know if I can upload a kernel to the freerunner through the debug board?
Mar 16 23:45:02 <khorben> or should I simply use two different USB cables?
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