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Mar 19 08:52:54 * PaulFertser got himself a new BL-6C (1150mAh) from ebay for 3$ (shipping incl.), it damn looks like a genuine part, with a hologram even.
Mar 19 10:45:27 <dcordes> hi
Mar 19 10:45:43 <dcordes> PaulFertser: cheapo battery packs can be surprising
Mar 19 10:46:25 <dcordes> PaulFertser: made that experience as well with a battery for my htc hd2 and various laptops
Mar 19 10:46:31 <PaulFertser> dcordes: i know... Going to place my phone in a metal dish when charging overnight.
Mar 19 10:46:44 * dcordes checks the news page on wiki
Mar 19 10:47:23 <dcordes> PaulFertser: I mean positively surprising. I was also mistrusting the phone bat and charged it while near only first
Mar 19 10:47:28 <PaulFertser> Oh
Mar 19 10:47:39 <PaulFertser> dcordes: cool news then :)
Mar 19 10:47:46 <dcordes> but no flat burned down as of now
Mar 19 10:49:00 <dcordes> good to see others those contributing in the wiki
Mar 19 10:50:22 <dcordes> did anybody think about requiring registration before allowing to open tickets  ?
Mar 19 10:50:28 <dcordes> (spam)
Mar 19 10:52:00 * dcordes greps logs for captainigloo
Mar 19 10:52:48 <dcordes> ~nf
Mar 19 10:52:48 <apt> The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash Bulletin Board. (continued at ~NF2. For help see ~NF-help)  - - - Recommended URLs and channels(chanlogs etc):see ~RL  - - -  NEWSFLASH [2010-10-07] wiki is down, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-October/063395.html
Mar 19 10:53:35 <dcordes> http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/openmoko-cdevel.20110318.txt
Mar 19 10:53:40 <dcordes> Mar 17 19:43:54 <morphis> captainigloo: do you have some time to discuss the unity ideas for elfe?
Mar 19 10:54:39 <dcordes> the program is called netbook-launcher-efl I used that on my hd2
Mar 19 10:55:12 <dcordes> http://vimeo.com/14630263 here's a video
Mar 19 12:23:22 <Heinervdm> Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception.
Mar 19 12:23:25 <Heinervdm> what
Mar 19 12:23:30 <Heinervdm> 's SIGFPE?
Mar 19 12:25:24 <ao2> Heinervdm, Floating Point Exception, it can happen when you divide by zero IIRC
Mar 19 12:25:33 <Heinervdm> ok
Mar 19 12:26:06 <dcordes> that's why the shr calculator won't devide by zero of course
Mar 19 12:33:45 <CIA-66> SHR: 03zimmermann 07libphone-ui-shr * r2b7e27d04a64 10/src/util/ui-utils.c: Add workaround for Segfault
Mar 19 12:46:50 <mickeyl> good morning GNUtoo|laptop 
Mar 19 12:47:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi
Mar 19 12:58:10 <CIA-66> SHR: 03zimmermann 07libphone-ui-shr * red5ad1e1bb68 10/src/util/ui-utils.c: Fix compilation error
Mar 19 13:11:13 <dcordes> GNUtoo|bug20: what's up ?
Mar 19 13:11:34 <GNUtoo|bug20> I'll PM you if I didn't already did
Mar 19 13:12:26 <mickeyl> mrmoku: hmm, libnl1 still in my image although i blacklisted a whole lot of stuff :/
Mar 19 13:12:45 <mickeyl> i'll remove the whole recipe for now
Mar 19 13:20:05 <GNUtoo|bug20> mickeyl, I have libnl1 blacklisted too if I remember well
Mar 19 13:22:57 <mickeyl> ok, i'll rebuild the whole image 
Mar 19 16:29:48 <mickey|bbl> ah, bluez4 is the offender
Mar 19 16:32:08 <GNUtoo|bug20> I've newer bluez locally
Mar 19 16:33:22 <GNUtoo|bug20> ah no my 4.84
Mar 19 16:33:26 <GNUtoo|bug20> was superseeded
Mar 19 16:33:27 <GNUtoo|bug20> anyway
Mar 19 16:34:01 <mickey|bbl> after this builds, we'll know whether the mix is to blame or any changes between libnl1 and libnl2
Mar 19 16:34:26 <GNUtoo|bug20> DEFAULT_PREFERENCE_angstrom = "1"
Mar 19 16:34:35 <GNUtoo|bug20> add DEFAULT_PREFERENCE_yourdistro = "1"
Mar 19 16:34:53 <GNUtoo|bug20> in the last bluez4
Mar 19 16:35:01 <GNUtoo|bug20> or ask JaMa to do it if you lack time
Mar 19 16:37:33 <mickey|bbl> i will catch up with that in aurora-preferred.inc
Mar 19 16:38:20 <mickey|bbl> you see, i don't like all these DP_somedistro = 1, I prefer sane settings as default, not per-distro. But Angstrom always goes it's special way :/
Mar 19 16:49:03 <morphis> heyho
Mar 19 16:50:05 <mickey|bbl> morphis: hi. fsoaudiod conflicts with alsa-state
Mar 19 16:50:13 <mickey|bbl> both provide the same file
Mar 19 16:50:19 <morphis> jepp
Mar 19 16:50:54 <morphis> but alsa-statt Is not User By shr ... 
Mar 19 16:51:29 <morphis> thats why we moved asound.conf To fsoaudiod
Mar 19 16:51:52 <morphis> baah webos auto correction sucks ... 
Mar 19 16:52:32 <morphis> which image do you use for testing?
Mar 19 16:52:55 <mickey|bbl> fso2-console-image
Mar 19 16:55:13 <morphis> and in case of fsoaudiod we don't need alsa-state anyway ...
Mar 19 16:56:17 <morphis> mickey|bbl: or what do  you think?
Mar 19 16:56:43 <mickeyl> i need to find what's dragging alsa-state in
Mar 19 16:56:59 <morphis> ok
Mar 19 16:57:17 <mickeyl> hmm, task-base
Mar 19 16:57:18 <morphis> you use minimal as distro?
Mar 19 16:57:27 <mickeyl> yes, more or less. minimal
Mar 19 16:57:31 <morphis> ok
Mar 19 16:58:07 <morphis> but when it is in task-base it should even in shr-image
Mar 19 16:58:11 <mickeyl> yes, it should
Mar 19 16:58:23 <morphis> but its not
Mar 19 16:58:32 <mickeyl> if you guys can build it, obviously not, ya
Mar 19 16:58:41 <morphis> I can build an shr-image fine with fsoaudiod
Mar 19 16:59:19 <morphis> maybe we should refactor alsa-state then
Mar 19 16:59:23 <mickeyl> it's an RRECOMMENDS
Mar 19 16:59:30 <mickeyl> which is ok
Mar 19 16:59:36 <mickeyl> so something else makes it actually appear
Mar 19 16:59:37 <morphis> as asound.conf is audio configuration
Mar 19 16:59:43 <morphis> ok
Mar 19 16:59:53 <mickeyl> ah
Mar 19 16:59:53 <morphis> and not sound state
Mar 19 16:59:55 <mickeyl> fso-image.inc
Mar 19 17:00:03 <morphis> :)
Mar 19 17:00:26 <morphis> so you are not building an shr image?
Mar 19 17:01:19 <mickeyl> no
Mar 19 17:01:27 <morphis> ok
Mar 19 17:02:03 <morphis> if you want one take mine from amethyst
Mar 19 17:02:17 <morphis> it should be a very recent one
Mar 19 17:03:21 <mickeyl> for which platofrm?
Mar 19 17:03:23 <morphis> do you already booted your pre with shr?
Mar 19 17:03:33 <morphis> palmpre
Mar 19 17:03:58 <mickeyl> no, it's still @ webos after the last problems
Mar 19 17:04:19 <mickeyl> i'd like to see shr on
Mar 19 17:04:26 <mickeyl> shall we install it with the fso-installer now?
Mar 19 17:04:31 <mickeyl> (i thought you were away on weekend)
Mar 19 17:04:33 <morphis> which problems?
Mar 19 17:04:41 <mickeyl> the bricking problems
Mar 19 17:04:44 <mickeyl> boot problems
Mar 19 17:04:46 <mickeyl> some months ago
Mar 19 17:05:03 <mickeyl> no idea what went wrong back then
Mar 19 17:05:20 <morphis> I am in hamburg but for some minutes in irc with my pre
Mar 19 17:05:37 <mickeyl> ah
Mar 19 17:05:47 <morphis|pre> :)
Mar 19 17:06:27 <mickeyl> i don't know what to start with... too many open tasks
Mar 19 17:06:31 <mickeyl> hmm
Mar 19 17:06:58 <GNUtoo|bug20> maybe that's because I'm absent lol?
Mar 19 17:07:02 <mickeyl> ya, probably :)
Mar 19 17:07:05 <mickeyl> please come back soon ;)
Mar 19 17:07:15 <GNUtoo|bug20> I tried
Mar 19 17:07:17 <GNUtoo|bug20> and failed
Mar 19 17:07:19 <GNUtoo|bug20> to come back
Mar 19 17:07:19 <mickeyl> heh
Mar 19 17:07:22 <mickeyl> chose simple things
Mar 19 17:07:27 <mickeyl> not hardcore tasks
Mar 19 17:07:33 <GNUtoo|bug20> lol
Mar 19 17:07:50 <GNUtoo|bug20> I had chosen to make the n900 camera work
Mar 19 17:07:54 <GNUtoo|bug20> with media-ctl
Mar 19 17:08:02 <GNUtoo|bug20> which is very hard
Mar 19 17:08:21 <GNUtoo|bug20> is there some tasks for me?
Mar 19 17:08:30 <GNUtoo|bug20> they must not be frustrating
Mar 19 17:08:46 <GNUtoo|bug20> not even a bit
Mar 19 17:08:52 <mickeyl> heh, that's nothing i can promise :)
Mar 19 17:09:05 <GNUtoo|bug20> ok
Mar 19 17:09:08 <GNUtoo|bug20> what do you have?
Mar 19 17:09:16 <mickeyl> internal ppp stack
Mar 19 17:09:18 <GNUtoo|bug20> as tasks
Mar 19 17:09:27 <mickeyl> trying an image w/ libnl1
Mar 19 17:09:29 <mickeyl> err, 2
Mar 19 17:09:39 <mickeyl> playing with libcmtspeech
Mar 19 17:09:51 <GNUtoo|bug20> libcmtspeech => could be frustrating => no
Mar 19 17:09:52 <mickeyl> although that's depending on a functioning stack, which means libnl 
Mar 19 17:10:01 <mickeyl> everything can be frustrating here :)
Mar 19 17:10:09 <morphis|pre> mickeyl: you should reflash your pre with the doctor 
Mar 19 17:10:09 <GNUtoo|bug20> I could try to give a look at libnl1
Mar 19 17:10:18 <mickeyl> morphis|pre: i did. it's virgined now
Mar 19 17:10:21 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|bug20: yeah
Mar 19 17:10:28 <GNUtoo|bug20> since I have a monolitic frustration-free kenrel defconfig
Mar 19 17:10:29 <morphis|pre> ah ok
Mar 19 17:10:50 <morphis|pre> mickeyl: you have devmode enabled?
Mar 19 17:11:03 <GNUtoo|bug20> mickeyl, really? such as nand scrub( DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND...LOL)
Mar 19 17:11:15 <GNUtoo|bug20> altough there is a more dangerous command than that
Mar 19 17:11:19 <GNUtoo|bug20> but I don't want to tell
Mar 19 17:11:30 <GNUtoo|bug20> because it could do huge damages
Mar 19 17:12:01 <morphis|pre> mickeyl: then use fso-installer
Mar 19 17:12:26 <GNUtoo|bug20> let's say it's factory-default then
Mar 19 17:13:05 <mickeyl> morphis|pre: ok
Mar 19 17:13:11 <mickeyl> ya, factorydefault
Mar 19 17:13:44 <morphis|pre> for fso-installer follow the guide in shr wiki
Mar 19 17:14:05 <morphis|pre> should be very easy to do
Mar 19 17:14:10 <mickeyl> ok
Mar 19 17:17:29 <morphis|pre> I will be online and look from time to time if you have problems
Mar 19 17:17:45 <mickeyl> ok, thanks
Mar 19 17:20:39 <mickeyl> i'll use your image from 14th of march
Mar 19 17:20:41 <mickeyl> +kernel
Mar 19 17:21:14 <morphis|pre> ok
Mar 19 17:21:24 <morphis|pre> the lite one?
Mar 19 17:21:30 <mickeyl> full i thought
Mar 19 17:21:34 <mickeyl> or is lite to be preferred?
Mar 19 17:22:02 <morphis|pre> no
Mar 19 17:22:06 <mickeyl> now lets see whether novacom runs again on this machine or still not...
Mar 19 17:27:41 <mickeyl> hmm, still no novacom on my workstation
Mar 19 17:27:45 * mickeyl unpacks the old laptop
Mar 19 17:30:21 <GNUtoo|bug20> I'll have to compile the 2.6.38 kenrel for my build laptop
Mar 19 17:30:35 <GNUtoo|bug20> before atempting with the n900
Mar 19 17:30:41 <GNUtoo|bug20> in order to have a wireless fix
Mar 19 17:31:23 <mickeyl> dinner, bbl
Mar 19 17:38:02 <morphis|pre> GNUtoo|bug20: which linux distro do you use?
Mar 19 17:46:54 <social_> hi, is shr-unstable usable on freerunner? will sms/gps&co work?
Mar 19 17:47:13 <social_> or should I use testing?
Mar 19 17:53:11 <GNUtoo|bug20> on bug20: xfce46-image with angstrom2010
Mar 19 17:53:56 <GNUtoo|bug20> one of the modules is an HDMI/VGA output 
Mar 19 17:53:59 <GNUtoo|bug20> *has
Mar 19 17:54:28 <GNUtoo|bug20> on laptop: trisquel
Mar 19 17:54:42 <GNUtoo|bug20> on eee701: angstrom, I don't remember if it's 2010
Mar 19 17:54:52 <GNUtoo|bug20> on the phones: SHR or replicant
Mar 19 17:55:18 <GNUtoo|bug20> and on the bug 1.x, I've a microsd with poky and one with angstrom
Mar 19 18:01:19 <PaulFertser> Lifehack: showing FR to a girl sitting near during a commute and saying: "Hey, take a look at this awesome kittie. Just kidding, that's my favourite text editor, Emacs, i use it for telephony"
Mar 19 18:13:01 <McKael> PaulFertser: uh... what if she's a vim user?
Mar 19 18:16:37 <PaulFertser> McKael: well, she'll be so amazed by the functionality that she'll switch to emacs, obviously.
Mar 19 18:17:11 <McKael> ha ha - probably :)
Mar 19 18:26:26 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: :D
Mar 19 18:29:35 <mickeyl> lvm-resize will take a whle, right?
Mar 19 18:39:12 <mickey|> hmm
Mar 19 18:39:15 <mickey|> install-bootr fails
Mar 19 18:50:37 <mickey|> kernel install as well :/
Mar 19 18:54:52 <mickey|> ibot: message for morphis: http://pastebin.com/P48vDtkk
Mar 19 18:54:57 <mickey|> err
Mar 19 18:55:00 <mickey|> apt: message for morphis: http://pastebin.com/P48vDtkk
Mar 19 19:58:34 <social_> could not write to '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron' < seems like shr-unstable is broken for gta02
Mar 19 19:59:36 <PaulFertser> social_: that's normal
Mar 19 19:59:42 <PaulFertser> social_: it writes to both old and new pathes.
Mar 19 20:01:18 <social_> PaulFertser: oh thanks, another question is about unstable that I can't read sms and it won't load contacts. any way to debug that?
Mar 19 20:01:42 <PaulFertser> social_: check you have the pim database in place, try opimd-cli etc.
Mar 19 20:01:55 <PaulFertser> social_: read the frameworkd log carefully, stuff like that.
Mar 19 20:16:47 <mrmoku> mickey|: recipes/images/fso-image.inc:  alsa-state \
Mar 19 20:17:05 <pespin> social_, in case you don't know... to use contacts you need to import them first from SIM (in shr-settings) ;)
Mar 19 20:17:22 <mrmoku> mickey|: ahh... should have continued reading first :-)
Mar 19 20:18:02 <social_> pespin: tried that already
Mar 19 20:18:31 <social_> it does not like having sim contacts full or it takes ages?
Mar 19 20:19:28 <pespin> social_, and you get an empty contacts lists? or contacts app doesn't show up when you try to open it?
Mar 19 20:21:53 <social_> it shows up empty and there that rotating ball but I don't think it's doing anyting
Mar 19 20:22:24 <pespin> social_, that's in sim manager right?
Mar 19 20:22:38 <social_> yep
Mar 19 20:24:13 <pespin> social_, try changing loglevel to DEBUG in /etc/phoneuid.conf and restart it. Then try whatever you want and look at /var/log/phoneuid.log for posible errors ;)
Mar 19 20:47:13 <social_> pespin: hah I deleted all contacts on sim and copied only few of them back and it works now
Mar 19 20:47:26 <social_> looks like it just has problem with ~250 contacts
Mar 19 20:48:03 <pespin> social_, well afaik using SIM is quite slow, so you were maybe not waiting enough?
Mar 19 20:48:25 <social_> well is 5min enough?
Mar 19 21:55:39 <antrik> PaulFertser: whow... your "Lifehack" is almost as evil as http://xkcd.com/374/
Mar 19 21:57:21 <PaulFertser> antrik: what's evil in my "hack"?
Mar 19 22:15:22 <antrik> you don't see anything evil in promising a kitty and showing emacs? gosh, you are sick! :-)
Mar 19 22:16:48 <PaulFertser> antrik: :D
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