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Mar 25 03:17:21 <DocScrutinizer> think of chain bootloading, like for loading M$ bpptloader from e.g. lilo
Mar 25 03:17:38 <DocScrutinizer> boot*
Mar 25 03:18:23 <DocScrutinizer> grub->winbootloader  //  NOLO->uBoot
Mar 25 03:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: you found some time to look into uBoot, fix watchdog and ENV?
Mar 25 03:20:04 <DocScrutinizer> for N900
Mar 25 06:20:11 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: heh, no :/
Mar 25 06:20:36 <DocScrutinizer> just asking
Mar 25 06:20:41 * mrmoku started to live with the watchdogs turned off
Mar 25 06:20:50 <mrmoku> unfortunatelly
Mar 25 06:30:36 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, probably NOLO should have a fsckng pink&green "***WARNING*** R&D ENABLED" screen and delay boot for displaying this for at least 90s
Mar 25 06:32:00 <DocScrutinizer> maybe also keep GPS or WLAN powerd up all the time in R&D so standby time is unbearable ;-P
Mar 25 06:32:14 <mrmoku> :)
Mar 25 06:35:30 * DocScrutinizer is pondering battery cell chemistry/operation-principle that could take advantage of manufacturing in Fukushima - never again recharge for the next 30 years ;-P
Mar 25 06:37:42 <DocScrutinizer> I think I'd prefer Tritium over Caesium/U/Pu MOX filling for the cells though
Mar 25 06:39:24 <DocScrutinizer> last alarming news: sea water samples taken 16km away from Fucku-I show way too high contamination
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Mar 25 08:05:10 <JaMa|Wrk> moin
Mar 25 08:06:43 <mrmoku> moin JaMa|Wrk 
Mar 25 08:20:05 <[Rui]> moin
Mar 25 08:22:00 <DocScrutinizer51> moin
Mar 25 09:31:18 <CIA-66> SHR: 03neil 07shr-makefile * r7156242073db 10/setup-env: Don't use terminal sequences in PS1 when running in an Emacs shell buffer
Mar 25 15:23:11 <suso> Hello, I've got a little problem with my Xorg server .. it seems like the x and y axes are inverted .. I guess this Problem should be known ??
Mar 25 15:25:59 <suso> never mind .. my bad .. it works again .. should have restarted after calibrating .. =)
Mar 25 15:57:05 <DocScrutinizer> what's wrong today? I've missed some malfunction of channel? Some order to abandon area?
Mar 25 17:14:56 * mrmoku wonders if turning of trac's rpc api might help against spam...
Mar 25 17:16:58 * mrmoku tries
Mar 25 17:34:25 <morphis> heyho
Mar 25 17:44:26 <mickeyl> hi
Mar 25 17:44:42 <mickeyl> mickey@saphir:/local/pkg/fso/cornucopia/tools/mterm2$ mterm2 -m 0 /dev/ttyUSB1
Mar 25 17:44:42 <mickeyl> 2011-03-25T17:39:57.535230Z [INFO]  mterm2 : Binary launched successful (FsoFrameworkStdErrLogger created as theLogger)
Mar 25 17:44:42 <mickeyl> :::Welcome. [FSO Terminal 1.9.0 via /dev/ttyUSB1@115200]
Mar 25 17:44:47 <mickeyl> :::Opening port... [FSO Terminal 1.9.0 via /dev/ttyUSB1@115200]
Mar 25 17:44:58 <mickeyl> :::MUX mode established, you can now use /dev/ttygsm[1-n] [FSO Terminal 1.9.0 via /dev/ttyUSB1@115200]
Mar 25 17:45:07 <mickeyl> and
Mar 25 17:45:09 <mickeyl> <drumroll>
Mar 25 17:45:11 <mickeyl> mickey@saphir:/local/pkg/misc/ofono/gatchat$ sudo mterm2 /dev/ttygsm1
Mar 25 17:45:11 <mickeyl> 2011-03-25T17:40:17.515427Z [INFO]  mterm2 : Binary launched successful (FsoFrameworkStdErrLogger created as theLogger)
Mar 25 17:45:11 <mickeyl> :::Welcome. [FSO Terminal 1.9.0 via /dev/ttygsm1@115200]
Mar 25 17:45:11 <mickeyl> at
Mar 25 17:45:11 <mickeyl> OK
Mar 25 17:45:13 <mickeyl> :)
Mar 25 17:46:08 <mickeyl> so the kernel MUXer does something
Mar 25 17:46:19 <morphis> yeah, sounds great!
Mar 25 17:46:43 <morphis> you only modified the transport to support it?
Mar 25 17:46:56 <morphis> with setting N_GSM discipline?
Mar 25 17:47:06 <mickeyl> right now i modified mterm2 
Mar 25 17:47:23 <mickeyl> it sets the line discipline and then keeps running
Mar 25 17:47:31 <mickeyl> then you can start to use the other nodes
Mar 25 17:47:49 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rf94fb4514361 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/ (mediatorhelpers.vala utils.vala): fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: calculate signal strength correct based on measured values
Mar 25 17:47:52 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * ree1498fa43f9 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala sms.vala): fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: implement dummy sms handler
Mar 25 17:47:56 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * re7d830bf1445 10/msmcommd/src/ (modemchannel.vala phonebookservice.vala): msmcommd: remove unusued code from modem channel and phonebook service
Mar 25 17:47:58 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rf7ea0641a165 10/msmcomm-specs/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): msmcomm-specs: add --enable-debug configure switch
Mar 25 17:47:59 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * re549c345d333 10/msmcommd/src/simservice.vala: msmcommd: report same sim field type as requested by the user
Mar 25 17:48:01 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r1a2b3ef6ed6c 10/libmsmcomm/msmcomm/smsmessage.vala: libmsmcomm: convert smsc number of response message correctly to string
Mar 25 17:48:03 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r57bcd9754516 10/msmcomm-specs/src/sms.vala: msmcomm-specs: correct name of generated c structure
Mar 25 17:48:06 <morphis> mickeyl: ah ok
Mar 25 17:48:37 <mickeyl> in the end we will probably have a transport that does it
Mar 25 17:48:39 <mickeyl> so you can do
Mar 25 17:48:57 <mickeyl> modem_access = kernelmux:/dev/ttyUSB0:115200
Mar 25 17:49:08 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 17:49:13 <mickeyl> and then the modem will use the ttygsm nodes to open the channels
Mar 25 17:49:22 <morphis> then we need now a device to use this :)
Mar 25 17:49:37 <mickeyl> yep
Mar 25 17:49:44 <morphis> how much ttygsm* nodes will be there after intializing?
Mar 25 17:49:50 <morphis> two?
Mar 25 17:49:52 <mickeyl> none, you have to create them
Mar 25 17:50:09 <mickeyl> so you have to know in advance how many VCs are supported
Mar 25 17:50:17 <morphis> simply with mknod?
Mar 25 17:50:24 <mickeyl> opening a dev node will open the corresponding VC over the main line
Mar 25 17:50:25 <mickeyl> yep
Mar 25 17:50:28 <morphis> or you have to tell the kernel to open them
Mar 25 17:50:32 <morphis> ah ok
Mar 25 17:50:55 <mickeyl> i will make this work as a proof-of-concept implementation for my cinterion
Mar 25 17:51:07 <mickeyl> however there's a couple of gotchas when someone wants to apply it to the calypso
Mar 25 17:51:13 <mickeyl> the calypso has a lousy 07.10 implementation
Mar 25 17:51:39 <mickeyl> and the deep sleep that is implemented below the AT layer will - again - have to be implemented by the AT layer
Mar 25 17:51:47 <mickeyl> s/deep sleep/deep sleep wakeup logic/
Mar 25 17:51:47 <apt> mickeyl meant: and the deep sleep wakeup logic that is implemented below the AT layer will - again - have to be implemented by the AT layer
Mar 25 17:51:51 <mickeyl> which i find very ugly
Mar 25 17:52:00 <mickeyl> so i'm not sure whether i will do that
Mar 25 17:52:10 <mickeyl> too much pain for little gain
Mar 25 17:52:21 <mickeyl> but it's good that we have a choice now for other modems that speak MUX
Mar 25 17:53:20 <morphis> jepp, but the other modems are the android phones we have like dream etc.?
Mar 25 17:53:35 <mickeyl> no one speaks at-mux
Mar 25 17:53:44 <mickeyl> from the bunch we know, just calypso and my cinterion
Mar 25 17:53:56 <mickeyl> all other have are premuxed
Mar 25 17:54:07 <mickeyl> so you have multiple device nodes already
Mar 25 17:54:46 <mickeyl> (actually, quite a bunch of publically available modems are speaking at-mux, but not those we have in the usual suspects that we guys work with)
Mar 25 17:54:48 <morphis> ieee
Mar 25 17:55:21 <morphis> so mostly all qualcomm modems does not speak at-mux?
Mar 25 17:55:26 <mickeyl> correct
Mar 25 17:55:39 <morphis> sadly
Mar 25 17:55:43 <mickeyl> all the HTC i know are talking either premuxed AT/AT or AT/QMI
Mar 25 17:56:09 <morphis> and it looks very much like we will get a lot of more devices with qualcomm chips on it
Mar 25 17:56:29 <mickeyl> yep. but actually, it's not so bad.
Mar 25 17:56:33 <morphis> as android, webOS all of them are using mostly qualcomm
Mar 25 17:56:47 <mickeyl> one AT node is really enough, when you have QMI or any other real network interface
Mar 25 17:57:15 <morphis> I still hope Palm is doing a better job with there qualcomm chips than all the other android companies
Mar 25 17:57:21 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 17:57:28 <morphis> or even msmcomm/AT
Mar 25 17:57:35 <mickeyl> right
Mar 25 17:59:19 <mickeyl> ah, nice
Mar 25 17:59:30 <mickeyl> the kernel sends us a HUP when we open a VC that's not available
Mar 25 17:59:39 <mickeyl> mickey@saphir:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.38/linux-source-2.6.38/drivers/tty$ mterm2 /dev/ttygsm4
Mar 25 17:59:39 <mickeyl> 2011-03-25T17:55:38.185104Z [INFO]  mterm2 : Binary launched successful (FsoFrameworkStdErrLogger created as theLogger)
Mar 25 17:59:39 <mickeyl> :::Welcome. [FSO Terminal 1.9.0 via /dev/ttygsm4@115200]
Mar 25 17:59:39 <mickeyl> 2011-03-25T17:55:38.479389Z [ERROR] libfsotransport <Serial /dev/ttygsm4@115200 (fd 5)>: HUP => closing channel
Mar 25 17:59:58 <morphis> seems like someone did a very good jup with the kernel mux driver :)
Mar 25 18:00:06 <mickeyl> yes, Alan knows his shit
Mar 25 18:00:15 <morphis> Alan Cox?
Mar 25 18:00:17 <mickeyl> yes
Mar 25 18:00:23 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 18:01:35 <mickeyl> now lets see whether tearing down works as well
Mar 25 18:02:28 <morphis> hmpf ... vala is driving me mad ..
Mar 25 18:02:28 <morphis> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git
Mar 25 18:02:30 <morphis> äh
Mar 25 18:02:43 <morphis> 2000-01-01T00:01:22.246246Z [CRITICAL] msmcommd : GLib <msmcommd>: _lambda10_: assertion `conn != NULL' failed
Mar 25 18:02:58 <morphis> looks like some internal dbus stuff is broken again ...
Mar 25 18:03:16 <morphis> as it worked before ...
Mar 25 18:03:20 <Slyon> hey morphis!
Mar 25 18:03:24 <Slyon> you got my patches?
Mar 25 18:03:25 <morphis> Slyon: heyho
Mar 25 18:03:34 <morphis> Slyon: will look at your patch today or tomorrow
Mar 25 18:04:22 <Slyon> morphis, okay. should all work now. but you should probably pub SRCREV of the OE patch to latest and add --enable-machine-palmpre for the Pre2 as well
Mar 25 18:04:32 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 18:04:40 <morphis> Slyon: no need for palmpre2
Mar 25 18:04:40 <Slyon> i resized the illume launche icons as well (see scap)
Mar 25 18:04:46 <morphis> as palmpre = palmpre2, palmpre
Mar 25 18:04:55 <Slyon> morphis, okay, even better
Mar 25 18:05:25 <morphis> whats with the clock gadget?
Mar 25 18:06:11 <morphis> Slyon: maybe you should get commit access for shr-themes
Mar 25 18:06:12 <Slyon> it overlaps these buttons, but i didn't find out how to move/remove these buttons
Mar 25 18:06:13 <morphis> mrmoku: ping
Mar 25 18:06:25 <morphis> hm
Mar 25 18:06:37 <morphis> we should ask some e professional then
Mar 25 18:06:59 <morphis> and the gsm gadet is overlapping the battery too
Mar 25 18:06:59 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r86b030c26973 10/tools/mterm2/ (src/main.vala src/terminal.vala vapi/config.vapi): 
Mar 25 18:06:59 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: mterm2: add configuration setting for N_GSM; this allows setting
Mar 25 18:06:59 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: a device into MUX mode via the n_gsm kernel module.
Mar 25 18:07:09 <morphis> btw. the battery is even not usable for palmpre
Mar 25 18:07:22 <morphis> as it uses kernel default power interface which is not used on palmpre
Mar 25 18:07:57 <morphis> we should have a battery gadget which uses FSO for getting power informations
Mar 25 18:08:12 <Slyon> yeah, someone should add FSO support to this battery gadget
Mar 25 18:08:31 <morphis> or write a new one only for shr
Mar 25 18:09:05 <morphis> so if you still have time :)
Mar 25 18:10:27 <Slyon> heh, i never wrote a e gadget and i'm not very good in C
Mar 25 18:10:55 <Slyon> I'll try to find out how to move these buttons, as a first step :)
Mar 25 18:12:20 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 18:12:44 <morphis> I just try to find out whats to do next, so we get the image ready very quickly
Mar 25 18:13:07 <morphis> I am currently fighting against vala and trying to implement SMS support
Mar 25 18:13:45 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r2847ac3b2d07 10/palmpre/fso-installer/ (Makefile scripts/setup-extra.sh): fso-installer: install some files from webOS doctor after flash process on the device
Mar 25 18:14:12 <morphis> maybe we have camera support too ...
Mar 25 18:15:19 <Slyon> nice
Mar 25 18:15:33 <morphis> as firmware loaded nice
Mar 25 18:15:42 <morphis> and I added support to fso-installer to copy stuff from webOS
Mar 25 18:15:48 <morphis> like camera firmware
Mar 25 18:16:02 <morphis> have to try to open the /dev/video2 node with mplayer
Mar 25 18:26:49 <morphis> Slyon: will apply your patches in a minute
Mar 25 18:27:05 <Slyon> morphis, thanks
Mar 25 18:27:41 <morphis> and I really like to switch over to elfe as new home screen
Mar 25 18:28:20 <Slyon> morphis, well, we could basically use it on palmpre
Mar 25 18:28:32 <Slyon> we just need it to be installed in our images
Mar 25 18:28:45 <Slyon> and then i can add it to this configuration for palmpre
Mar 25 18:28:47 <morphis> Slyon: yes installing is one thing
Mar 25 18:28:50 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 18:29:05 <Slyon> it seems to be selectable there
Mar 25 18:29:09 <morphis> someone already tried elfe on om-gta02?
Mar 25 18:29:21 <Slyon> i tried it on gta02
Mar 25 18:29:26 <morphis> is it usable?
Mar 25 18:29:30 <Slyon> its a little slow but usable
Mar 25 18:29:55 <Slyon> illume-home is slow as well, so it doesn't make a big difference
Mar 25 18:30:35 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 18:30:52 <morphis> I think it's a good choice for the n900 and other devices too
Mar 25 18:33:42 <morphis> Slyon: btw. you tried one of the latest shr images?
Mar 25 18:34:10 <Slyon> for the Pre?
Mar 25 18:34:20 <morphis> jepp
Mar 25 18:34:23 <morphis> with recent OE
Mar 25 18:34:30 <morphis> or latest msmcomm/fsogsmd
Mar 25 18:34:57 <Slyon> morphis, i've compiled oe from one or two days ago
Mar 25 18:35:11 <morphis> is gsm working?
Mar 25 18:35:16 <Slyon> yes
Mar 25 18:35:31 <morphis> it's oe with vala 0.11.7.1?
Mar 25 18:35:37 <morphis> or vala 0.11.7.2?
Mar 25 18:37:44 <Slyon> 0.11.7.2
Mar 25 18:38:16 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 18:39:29 <morphis> maybe I should do a 'rm -rf tmp'
Mar 25 18:41:22 <Slyon> morphis, do we need the R/L toggle gadget??
Mar 25 18:41:35 <morphis> no
Mar 25 18:41:51 <Slyon> good, i removed the mode (split screen) gadget as well
Mar 25 18:41:59 <morphis> jepp
Mar 25 18:42:13 <morphis> it's useless for smartphones ....
Mar 25 18:45:15 <mrmoku> morphis: pong
Mar 25 18:45:38 <morphis> mrmoku: we have several adjustments for the shr e-wm-config
Mar 25 18:45:54 <morphis> * elfe as default home screen
Mar 25 18:45:56 <mrmoku> pre specific I guess?
Mar 25 18:46:00 <morphis> * remove R/L button
Mar 25 18:46:09 <morphis> * remove split screenn button
Mar 25 18:46:15 <morphis> currently ye
Mar 25 18:46:15 <morphis> s
Mar 25 18:46:24 <morphis> but maybe interesting for other devices too
Mar 25 18:46:27 <mrmoku> yup
Mar 25 18:46:32 <morphis> so how far can we go even for the om-gta02?
Mar 25 18:46:36 <mrmoku> R/L is replaced with what?
Mar 25 18:46:46 <morphis> it's removed
Mar 25 18:46:57 <mrmoku> no right click anymore?
Mar 25 18:47:13 <morphis> why we need this?
Mar 25 18:47:29 <Slyon> morphis, see scap. that's what i would suggest
Mar 25 18:47:33 <morphis> its nothing we should really have on a phone
Mar 25 18:47:39 <morphis> Slyon: hm
Mar 25 18:47:58 <morphis> but then we should rework scap or write something similar which don't uses a right click
Mar 25 18:48:04 <mrmoku> hmm... well... if one wants it... he/she can (re-)add it anyway
Mar 25 18:48:10 <morphis> jepp
Mar 25 18:48:30 <morphis> but in general I think we don't should install apps per default which needs a right click 
Mar 25 18:48:35 <morphis> like pidgin etc.
Mar 25 18:48:38 <mrmoku> what state is elfe in?
Mar 25 18:48:43 <mrmoku> works fine on FR too?
Mar 25 18:48:44 <morphis> it's usable
Mar 25 18:48:51 <morphis> Slyon tested it 
Mar 25 18:49:00 <morphis> it's slower than on palmpre or n900
Mar 25 18:49:05 <morphis> but works, right?
Mar 25 18:49:15 <Slyon> morphis, with scap i mean: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/16580cada423a86ae2948916f05fd1fd.png
Mar 25 18:49:41 <morphis> Slyon: ah ok :)
Mar 25 18:49:49 <morphis> looks very good
Mar 25 18:49:59 <Slyon> mrmoku, morphis: yes elfe was usable on the gta02, only thing that didn't work was long click, but i guess this colides somehow with the rightclick
Mar 25 18:50:27 <morphis> a long click (for removing icons) even don't works on the palmpre
Mar 25 18:50:33 <Slyon> ok
Mar 25 18:50:41 <morphis> maybe something captaingloo should fix when he is back from holiday
Mar 25 18:50:52 <morphis> maybe we can only make elfe default for palmpre
Mar 25 18:50:56 <morphis> to test a little bit more
Mar 25 18:51:00 <morphis> and then switch later
Mar 25 18:51:18 <morphis> as far as I know elfe even don't show any default icons
Mar 25 18:52:41 <morphis> mrmoku: btw. can you give Slyon commit access for shr-themes?
Mar 25 18:53:39 <Slyon> morphis, yes we could do that. i you can bring elfe into the default pre image i can configure it as default
Mar 25 18:54:02 <morphis> Slyon: I think it's currently the best we can do
Mar 25 18:54:12 <morphis> and for the om-gta02 I think elfe is not ready yet
Mar 25 18:54:15 <Slyon> probably
Mar 25 18:55:38 <mrmoku> morphis, Slyon: done
Mar 25 18:55:45 <morphis> mrmoku: great!
Mar 25 18:55:49 <Slyon> mrmoku, thanks!
Mar 25 18:56:12 <morphis> Slyon: can you then commit your patches for shr-themes on your own? my mail client is dieying ...
Mar 25 18:56:21 <Slyon> morphis, so i will push my changes after i've tested the latest
Mar 25 18:56:24 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 18:56:41 <morphis> Slyon: I will then push the OE patch and bump SRCREV to latest
Mar 25 18:56:54 <Slyon> morphis, alright
Mar 25 18:56:56 <morphis> mrmoku: ok, when we will add hr-image?
Mar 25 18:57:01 <morphis> s/hr/shr/
Mar 25 18:57:02 <apt> morphis meant: mrmoku: ok, when we will add shr-image?
Mar 25 19:03:32 <CIA-66> SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07shr-themes * rbd65f003b34d 10/e-wm/e-wm-config-illume2-shr/ (3 files in 2 dirs): e-wm-config-illume2-shr: add palmpre config option
Mar 25 19:03:43 <CIA-66> SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07shr-themes * r93f949eda771 10/e-wm/e-wm-config-illume2-shr/ (Makefile.am palm_pre/e.src): e-wm-config-illume2-shr: palmpre: reorder gadgets in illume-indicator (top panel)
Mar 25 19:03:43 <CIA-66> SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07shr-themes * r5e47a6de3686 10/e-wm/e-wm-config-illume2-shr/ (3 files in 2 dirs): e-wm-config-illume2-shr: more work on palmpre theme
Mar 25 19:03:44 <CIA-66> SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07shr-themes * r2f85f8daa955 10/e-wm/e-wm-config-illume2-shr/Makefile.am: e-wm-config-illume2-shr: make clean: cleanup in palm_pre directory
Mar 25 19:03:49 <Slyon> here we go :)
Mar 25 19:04:03 <morphis> great
Mar 25 19:05:52 <mrmoku> morphis: add to where?
Mar 25 19:06:01 <morphis> to shr-image
Mar 25 19:06:13 <morphis> so we can use it for palmpre
Mar 25 19:06:19 <morphis> but it's installed for all machines
Mar 25 19:06:48 <morphis> in RDEPENDS_shr-minimal-x
Mar 25 19:07:06 <mrmoku> morphis: you're talking about elfe?
Mar 25 19:07:11 <morphis> jepp
Mar 25 19:16:27 <morphis> Slyon: OE patches are out too
Mar 25 19:17:23 <Slyon> morphis, thanks!
Mar 25 19:17:39 <morphis> mrmoku: currently I have my own image where elfe is included as default but we need it in SHR anyway, so where  should we add it?
Mar 25 19:22:06 <morphis> Slyon: maybe we even don't need the button to show the keyboard
Mar 25 19:22:12 <morphis> as we have hardware keyboard
Mar 25 19:22:42 <Slyon> morphis, yes, but i'd let it in for now, as not all key work as excepted... 
Mar 25 19:22:48 <morphis> Slyon: and I have another thing you can include in the config
Mar 25 19:23:02 <morphis> captaingloo told me we should adjust icon size in elfe via config to 64px
Mar 25 19:23:06 <Slyon> e.g. i can't type a dot with the hw-kbd
Mar 25 19:23:17 <morphis> thats something we need to fix
Mar 25 19:23:23 <morphis> '0' is not possible too
Mar 25 19:23:27 <Slyon> yep
Mar 25 19:23:53 <Slyon> therfore i think we should let kbd-toggle in there
Mar 25 19:24:06 <Slyon> until everything works
Mar 25 19:24:35 <Slyon> morphis, i will search for the elfe config..
Mar 25 19:24:47 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 19:27:51 <mrmoku> morphis: task-shr-minimal
Mar 25 19:28:10 <morphis> mrmoku: ok
Mar 25 19:28:17 <morphis> will add it
Mar 25 19:28:39 <mrmoku> in the x section
Mar 25 19:32:42 <Slyon> morphis, 
Mar 25 19:32:48 <Slyon> morphis, elfe seems to be buggy
Mar 25 19:33:01 <morphis> in which case?
Mar 25 19:33:08 <Slyon> after launching 1 app, the app list doesn't pop up any more
Mar 25 19:33:31 <morphis> hm
Mar 25 19:33:52 <Slyon> and: do you know how i can close the app list, after i opened it, without clicking on an app?
Mar 25 19:37:03 <morphis> there should be a button on the bottom
Mar 25 19:38:16 <Slyon> no, the list overlaps the bottom panel with the button
Mar 25 19:38:47 <Slyon> maybe we should talk to captainigloo before making it default
Mar 25 19:52:24 <morphis> Slyon: do you adjust the config for the icon size?
Mar 25 19:52:47 <Slyon> morphis, yes, but i didn't see a difference
Mar 25 19:56:24 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 19:56:53 <Slyon> well, its hard to test, as the launcher comes up only once
Mar 25 19:57:09 <Slyon> but it look pretty good as it is
Mar 25 19:57:19 <Slyon> and the patch to make it default is ready :)
Mar 25 19:57:30 <Slyon> now it only needs to work
Mar 25 19:58:19 <Slyon> maybe we should configure some default apps in elfes bottom launcher, like calls, msgs, etc
Mar 25 19:58:26 <Slyon> but i don't know how
Mar 25 20:54:56 <morphis> Slyon: I will take a look at elfe's source code as captaingloo is on holiday
Mar 25 20:58:54 <morphis> Slyon: http://pastebin.com/XdFarR1E 
Mar 25 20:59:09 <morphis> Slyon: that is was captaingloo told me to apply to get elfe adjusted for the palmpre
Mar 25 20:59:48 <Slyon> morphis, ok. there are config options for this as well
Mar 25 20:59:59 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 21:00:04 <Slyon> but probably they don't get read?
Mar 25 21:00:47 <morphis> he told me they will be read by elfe
Mar 25 21:00:52 <Slyon> ok
Mar 25 21:00:58 <morphis> but you can try with changing in the code directly
Mar 25 21:00:58 <Slyon> i'll try again
Mar 25 21:01:10 <morphis> ok
Mar 25 21:04:43 <Slyon> ok... there is a difference
Mar 25 21:04:59 <Slyon> morphis, see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Mar 25 21:05:05 <Slyon> but it's minimal
Mar 26 00:03:00 <nschle85> hello, who is using shr and htc dream ?
Mar 26 01:09:20 <pespin> nschle85, GNutoo and leviathan afaik
Mar 26 01:14:19 <nschle85> leviathan: good evening (in my timezone) would you like to do some screenshots of your shr on htc for me ?
Mar 26 01:17:41 <nschle85> pespin: hat is your hardware ?
Mar 26 01:24:22 <pespin> nschle85, gta02, htcartemis, exopcslate
Mar 26 01:31:16 * pespin off to bed, gnight
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