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May 10 05:36:04 <mrmoku> moin
May 10 06:56:16 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r70ffc2aaca73 10/aurora/ (6 files in 3 dirs): aurora: add debugging stub and rename indicators to agents
May 10 06:59:23 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * re40bfd518618 10/aurora/ (3 files in 3 dirs): aurora: add error battery status
May 10 07:00:11 <JaMa> moin
May 10 07:01:10 <mickey|zzZZzz> moin
May 10 07:22:10 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r2314e200ab65 10/libfsosystem/ (5 files in 2 dirs): libfsosystem: add some path and filesystem utilities
May 10 07:23:44 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * ra274590ddfc9 10/aurora/ (5 files in 2 dirs): aurora: deactivate hub list when one or more pages are on the stack
May 10 07:24:09 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r70731dd7feb7 10/aurora/ (3 files in 3 dirs): aurora: perform dbusintegration in dbuscache
May 10 07:24:33 * mickeyl -> office
May 10 07:28:37 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rd96cadf72bcd 10/aurora/components/ (4 files in 2 dirs): aurora: pone application: add main page and open it when clicking on the hub
May 10 07:43:20 <morphis> heyho
May 10 07:44:11 <mrmoku> yo morphis
May 10 09:01:53 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r0264918a1b48 10/aurora/ (9 files in 5 dirs): aurora: add navigation bar for app pages to go through the opened pages
May 10 09:03:33 <mickey|office> morphis: yay
May 10 09:03:34 <mickey|office> :)
May 10 09:04:06 <morphis> mickey|office: it does not look as I want it but it is a first start :)
May 10 09:05:17 <morphis> we really need some artist 
May 10 09:14:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, hi, so for the cmtspeech alsa backend there are several possibilities:
May 10 09:14:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> *I do it with huge help from people that know vala( I don't know it enough)
May 10 09:15:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> I am able to do simplier programs(like for instance a camera application for the bug 2.0) or integrations like fsogsmd stuff....but I hit a compilation problem that I can't resolve
May 10 09:15:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> so I tried to fix it and only got nervous as result
May 10 09:15:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's not good at all
May 10 09:15:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> *you do it
May 10 09:15:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> starting from where I left with help from me
May 10 09:15:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> for the alsa side
May 10 09:15:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> *I do it in C and not in vala
May 10 09:16:15 <mickey|office> morphis: yep, therefore i think we should announce it asap
May 10 09:16:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> *I do it with extern C functions in vala code
May 10 09:16:37 <morphis> mickey|office: ok, then we should start writing the annoucement
May 10 09:16:50 <mickey|office> *nod*
May 10 09:16:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> sorry for beeing unable to do it alsone whatever I try(nervousness problem)
May 10 09:16:55 <morphis> I already wrote a OE recipe for aurora
May 10 09:17:15 <morphis> mickey|office: what about device support? do we want to target only the pre devices?
May 10 09:17:20 <morphis> (for now)
May 10 09:17:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> can it work on om-gta02?
May 10 09:17:50 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: jepp
May 10 09:18:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> so maybe target pre and om-gta02
May 10 09:18:10 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: but we are only two people
May 10 09:18:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> n900 is not ready for full telephony yet
May 10 09:18:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> dream: forget about it
May 10 09:18:23 <morphis> so we should concentrate on one device
May 10 09:18:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> qsd: not ready yet
May 10 09:18:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 09:18:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, do you have screenshots?
May 10 09:19:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> (scap.linuxtogo)
May 10 09:19:12 <morphis> http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~morphis/aurora_20110507.1.png
May 10 09:19:15 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/386235/
May 10 09:20:08 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: as I don't want you to get nervous I would opt for me doing it :)
May 10 09:20:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 09:20:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> thanks a lot
May 10 09:20:29 <mrmoku> yw
May 10 09:21:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> if I get too nervous I've to stop computers for a moment, which prevent me to contribute at all or slows me down a lot
May 10 09:21:23 <mrmoku> yeah, not good
May 10 09:21:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll remove oss from the kenrel then
May 10 09:21:31 <mrmoku> good
May 10 09:21:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically in the case where I'm too nervous I use bug20 as a computer because it doesn't make noise
May 10 09:22:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> so omap3430@500Mhz
May 10 09:22:12 <mrmoku> one thing I don't know is how the microphone part is supposed to work
May 10 09:22:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> 1024x768
May 10 09:22:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, same way
May 10 09:22:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> you record and feed it
May 10 09:22:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> I bet
May 10 09:22:44 <mrmoku> yeah, but do I get notification from an alsa stream or something like that?
May 10 09:22:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> like for instance arecord -f S16_LE -r 8000 mono
May 10 09:23:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah, no idea
May 10 09:23:09 <mrmoku> or I just connect the alsastream to the ul buffer of cmtspeech probably
May 10 09:23:28 <mrmoku> will find out
May 10 09:23:54 <mrmoku> morphis: what's the state of the alsa-hooks in fsoaudiod?
May 10 09:24:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, it's very good
May 10 09:24:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's complete or near complete now
May 10 09:24:55 <mrmoku> great
May 10 09:24:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> within alsa-ext
May 10 09:25:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> and even better
May 10 09:25:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> there is a lib
May 10 09:25:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> in src/lib/
May 10 09:25:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> that is higher level
May 10 09:25:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tried to extend it
May 10 09:25:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> I failed
May 10 09:25:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> look at my git diff that I pasted yesterday
May 10 09:26:52 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: ahh, I was talking about the virtual alsa devices approach from DocScrutinizer51 
May 10 09:27:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 09:27:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah I forgott a *
May 10 09:27:31 <mickey|office> morphis: device support... hmm... i'm still somewhat sentimental wrt. the rokr, but we can surely add that lateron
May 10 09:27:52 <mickey|office> so, yes, it might make sense if we two as core folks concentrate on the pre
May 10 09:27:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> * I use gstreamer api with appsrc (I know well gstreamer and its vala bindings)
May 10 09:28:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> the drawback is huge battery/cpu consumation
May 10 09:30:31 <mrmoku> no, we should try to go for plain alsa first
May 10 09:30:45 <mickey|office> anything else than plain alsa makes no sense on that layer
May 10 09:30:54 <mickey|office> IMO
May 10 09:31:15 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r734e4e82bbcb 10/aurora/ (bin/aurora bin/aurora.in configure.ac): aurora: try to work around problems with wrong library path for imports
May 10 09:32:01 <mickey|office> if you can't stand vala, by all means do it in whatever language you want. do it in arm asm, if you want. i will convert it to vala when it works... vala is supposed to make us more efficient. if it slows you down, then don't use it. period.
May 10 09:32:13 <mickey|office> *shrug*
May 10 09:32:31 <morphis> mickey|office: ok, so we concentrate for now on the Palm Pre devices
May 10 09:32:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/_2test_2pcm_8c-example.html
May 10 09:32:47 <morphis> mickey|office: we should then start a page in the wiki for the announcement
May 10 09:32:54 <mickey|office> yep
May 10 09:33:17 <mickey|office> given that a large part of our software is in vala, i just thought you might be interested in learning a bit of it
May 10 09:33:34 <mickey|office> if you aren't, then just don't bother :)
May 10 09:33:36 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: ok
May 10 09:33:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|office, ok I can do it in C+vala , usually it makes me more efficient, but I don't know why it doesn't here
May 10 09:33:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's because I've to extend a lib
May 10 09:34:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> I think
May 10 09:34:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> or mrmoku can help me a lot
May 10 09:34:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> that would be a solution
May 10 09:34:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> since I bet that I know more alsa than mrmoku 
May 10 09:34:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> but less vala
May 10 09:34:32 <mrmoku> yup, you help me understanding the alsa part... and I enjoy doing the vala dance :)
May 10 09:34:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> what if I hack something in C + vala 
May 10 09:35:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> I do most of it in C
May 10 09:35:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> and you convert in vala?
May 10 09:35:30 <mrmoku> dunno... that sounds like doubled work
May 10 09:35:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 09:35:48 <mrmoku> first let me find may way into fsoaudiod
May 10 09:35:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 09:36:07 <mrmoku> will try the diff I pasted 
May 10 09:36:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> or else you help me solve that big issue of not finding .write
May 10 09:36:10 <mrmoku> as it builds fine
May 10 09:36:18 <mrmoku> including the write
May 10 09:36:30 <morphis> mrmoku: whats with fsoaudiod?
May 10 09:36:34 <mickey|office> if it doesn't find something you have just added, remember you need make clean
May 10 09:36:39 <mickey|office> otherwise the vapi won't be reread
May 10 09:36:41 <mrmoku> dunno if your problem was that you did lot's of static functions outside the class
May 10 09:36:52 <mrmoku> mickey|office: it was in the alsa lib
May 10 09:36:55 <mrmoku> not the vapi
May 10 09:36:59 <mickey|office> ah, k
May 10 09:37:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|office, ahh ok
May 10 09:37:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, yes it was in the lib
May 10 09:37:32 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: I wonder though if it would build from a clean state
May 10 09:37:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tryed a clean state too
May 10 09:37:44 <mrmoku> after make maintainer-clean
May 10 09:37:46 <mrmoku> ok
May 10 09:37:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll retry
May 10 09:39:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> still the same issue
May 10 09:39:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> I build with oe_runmake clean;oe_runmake
May 10 09:39:38 <mrmoku> morphis: I'm looking at the cmtspeech plugin in fsoaudiod
May 10 09:41:19 <morphis> mrmoku: ah o
May 10 09:45:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> cmthandler.vala:52.2-52.10: error: The name `write' does not exist in the context of `FsoAudio.PcmDevice?'
May 10 09:45:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> why there is a ?
May 10 09:46:09 <mickey|office> it's a nullable type
May 10 09:46:29 <mickey|office> how does your lib looks like?
May 10 09:46:35 <mickey|office> did you add a method called write?
May 10 09:46:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
May 10 09:47:12 <mickey|office> public void write() ... ?
May 10 09:47:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> public Alsa2.PcmSignedFrames write( void* buffer, Alsa2.PcmUnsignedFrames size ) throws SoundError {return device.writei( buffer,size );}
May 10 09:48:01 <mickey|office> looks good
May 10 09:48:08 <mickey|office> that should work
May 10 09:48:13 <mrmoku> it works for me
May 10 09:48:34 <mrmoku> mickey|office: is it possible it might not work in static functions outside a class?
May 10 09:49:04 <mickey|office> if you have an instance, you can call stuff on it
May 10 09:49:12 <mickey|office> the static functions should go, but that's another story
May 10 09:49:19 <mrmoku> ok
May 10 09:49:24 <mickey|office> btw.
May 10 09:49:34 <mickey|office> i would remember the format (interleaved or not)
May 10 09:49:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, how can it work
May 10 09:49:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> you did that:
May 10 09:49:38 <mickey|office> and make write an encapsulation
May 10 09:49:45 <mickey|office> so that it calls writei or writen depending on the actual format
May 10 09:49:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> +                speaker = new FsoAudio.PcmDevice;
May 10 09:49:51 <mickey|office> no need to remember that in client-code
May 10 09:49:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> it should be :
May 10 09:50:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> speaker = new FsoAudio.PcmDevice();
May 10 09:50:08 <mrmoku> hmm
May 10 09:50:44 <mrmoku> 0022 mok@gonzales[pts/4]:~/src/openmoko/cornucopia/fsoaudiod-> file src/bin/fsoaudiod                                                                                            
May 10 09:50:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|office, is the philosophy of getting first something that works ok?
May 10 09:50:48 <mrmoku> src/bin/fsoaudiod: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped                                   
May 10 09:50:52 <mrmoku> it built fine though
May 10 09:51:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> cmthandler.vala:54.30-54.30: error: syntax error, expected ( or [
May 10 09:51:10 <GNUtoo|laptop>         pcm = new FsoAudio.PcmDevice;
May 10 09:51:52 <mickey|office> GNUtoo|laptop: of course. make it work, then make it fast|beautiful|whatever
May 10 09:52:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 09:57:58 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: ahh, it did not enable the cmtspeech plugin
May 10 09:58:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok, using part of mrmoku's code made it compile
May 10 09:58:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> ha wait a sec
May 10 10:00:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> same error
May 10 10:00:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, please try to enable it
May 10 10:01:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> so you can fix the error
May 10 10:02:06 <mrmoku> ok
May 10 10:24:50 <antrik> leviathan: I wonder, if FIC still has the moulds for OM cases, perhaps you could negotiate that they run a small batch for you?...
May 10 10:28:49 <leviathan> antrik: well
May 10 10:28:54 <leviathan> the NEO cases are crap
May 10 10:29:04 <leviathan> even if they are robust
May 10 10:29:09 <leviathan> they look ugly
May 10 10:29:22 <leviathan> a friend of mine is a CAD designer
May 10 10:29:32 <leviathan> he has designed some prototypes for me
May 10 10:29:40 <leviathan> I plan to print them with my RepRap
May 10 10:29:44 <leviathan> :-)
May 10 10:29:56 <pespin> upload photos when you got them :P
May 10 10:30:06 <leviathan> pespin: certainly I will :-P
May 10 10:30:17 <pespin> great :)
May 10 10:33:39 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: hmm... I'm struggling with something completely different
May 10 10:33:42 <mrmoku> | /OE/shr-unstable/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/valac -C --basedir ../../.. --vapidir ../../../lib --vapidir ../../../vapi --pkg glib-2.0 --pkg gee-1.0 --pkg fso-glib-1.0 --pkg fsoframework-2.0 --pkg fsoaudio-2.0 --pkg libcmtspeechdata  plugin.vala cmthandler.vala
May 10 10:33:45 <mrmoku> | error: Package `fsoaudio-2.0' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories
May 10 10:33:55 <mrmoku> the vapi is there and the --vapidir too
May 10 10:37:24 <mickey|office> ../../../lib looks wrong
May 10 10:37:30 <mickey|office> should be ../../../src/lib 
May 10 10:38:36 <mrmoku> ohh.. duh
May 10 10:38:39 <mrmoku> how blind one can be
May 10 10:38:51 <mrmoku> I even compared the cmtspeech Makefile.am to that of another plugin :P
May 10 10:38:56 <mrmoku> mickey|office: thx
May 10 10:40:24 <antrik> leviathan: they are ugly, but functional. I'm not convinced that a departure is useful
May 10 10:41:03 <antrik> and everything I've seen from RepRap so far can be called "toys" at best.
May 10 10:41:32 <leviathan> antrik: Well
May 10 10:41:42 <leviathan> We  have designed a new reprap
May 10 10:42:00 <leviathan> which not only gos further in the sense of "self replicating"
May 10 10:42:08 <leviathan> prints his own motors and other mechanics
May 10 10:42:16 <leviathan> (still working on the bearing problem"
May 10 10:42:37 <leviathan> we use our OWN nozzle
May 10 10:42:44 <leviathan> which we drill from an iron rod
May 10 10:43:08 <leviathan> and make it become thinner then any other usable nozzle you can buy
May 10 10:43:13 <leviathan> by galvanizing it
May 10 10:43:14 <leviathan> :-)
May 10 10:45:48 <antrik> well, even if you can create a case precise and robust enough to be actually usable (which I doubt), it would still be much uglier than the original NEO case... so it might be a fun project, but certainly not a step forward
May 10 10:46:13 <mickey|office> always the optimist, heh?
May 10 10:46:15 <mickey|office> :D
May 10 10:56:36 * mrmoku lunch
May 10 11:25:28 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/386285/ builds for me
May 10 11:44:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> +	--vapidir $(top_srcdir)/src/lib \
May 10 11:44:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> so maybe it's taht
May 10 11:45:25 <mrmoku> yeah, I wonder though why it did not complain about fsoaudio-2.0 for you too
May 10 11:45:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll eat
May 10 12:22:10 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: if you finished eating... there is another thing you might be the right one to look into
May 10 12:22:20 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: ever tried the e connman gadget?
May 10 12:31:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> no but I know that we lack a bar for that
May 10 12:31:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> I want xchat notifications too
May 10 12:32:09 <CIA-10> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-makefile * r3ce96087b30b 10/Makefile: Makefile: switch OE git url to github mirror
May 10 12:33:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2010/03/12/enlightenment-meets-bluez/
May 10 12:33:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2010/01/02/enlightenment-meets-connman/
May 10 12:35:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> note that bluetooth is currently broken with our meego kernel
May 10 12:37:35 <GNUtoo|laptop>   CCLD   gsmvoice_alsa_cmtspeechdata.la
May 10 12:37:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> thanks A LOT!!!!!
May 10 12:37:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> now should I continue the cmtspeechdata plugin?
May 10 12:38:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> your code seem better than mine
May 10 12:38:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> or maybe we could do that
May 10 12:38:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> I code something that works in vala
May 10 12:38:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> and you import it and clean it
May 10 12:43:25 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: if you want I can try to continue
May 10 12:43:53 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: want to take a look at that connman plugin instead?
May 10 12:43:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've no problem continuing the work as long as I get adequate support
May 10 12:44:01 <mrmoku> ok
May 10 12:44:20 <mrmoku> I can continue with the sms part than
May 10 12:44:22 <mrmoku> then even
May 10 12:51:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, big question:
May 10 12:51:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> the cmtspeech test plugin relied on absent parts of fsogsmd
May 10 12:52:04 <GNUtoo|laptop>             case FreeSmartphone.GSM.CallStatus.OUTGOING:
May 10 12:52:04 <GNUtoo|laptop>             case FreeSmartphone.GSM.CallStatus.ACTIVE:
May 10 12:52:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> does that work now?
May 10 12:52:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> also there is some redundancy here
May 10 12:52:36 <mrmoku> I think it should
May 10 12:52:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> OUTGOING and ACTIVE makes it activate twice
May 10 12:53:11 <mrmoku> hmm
May 10 12:53:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> at least in que qsd activator that was copied from cmtspeechtest
May 10 12:53:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> *the
May 10 12:54:06 <mrmoku> the cmthandler should probably cache the state... and only activate it if not yet activated
May 10 12:54:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 12:54:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> thanks for the pointer
May 10 12:54:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> anyway I add the plugin in fsoaudiod and try?
May 10 12:55:08 <mrmoku> there is already a config for n900 with it enabled
May 10 12:55:14 <mrmoku> dunno if it get's installed correctly though
May 10 12:55:24 <mrmoku> might need some OE work (judging from a short look at the recipe)
May 10 12:55:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's not an issue
May 10 12:55:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> I scp the .libs/so
May 10 12:55:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> as always
May 10 12:56:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> I was wondering abuot fsodeviced.conf
May 10 12:56:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> *fsoaudiod.conf
May 10 12:57:26 <mickey|office> fsogsmd still doesn't send the dbus signals
May 10 12:57:32 <mickey|office> (for the n900 plugin)
May 10 12:57:41 <mickey|office> this can easily be hacked in as a quickfix
May 10 12:57:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 10 12:58:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe mrmoku should do the fix
May 10 12:58:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> thanks a lot
May 10 12:58:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> for warning me
May 10 12:58:28 <mickey|office> np, just that you aren't disappointed when nothing happens :)
May 10 12:58:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
May 10 12:58:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> that was the issue....to try not to get too much nervous
May 10 12:59:29 <mrmoku> mickey|office: ahh, yeah, did not think about that part :P
May 10 12:59:40 <mickey|office> regaining patience is hard. i can tell a story of that. i have the same now with qml and javascript
May 10 12:59:50 <mrmoku> :)
May 10 12:59:55 <mickey|office> takes me a lot to get simple things done, but there's progress
May 10 13:00:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 13:00:11 * mrmoku looks into the signals
May 10 13:00:23 <mickey|office> mrmoku: ping when you need help, should be really simple
May 10 13:00:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed, [insert bad words here]  htcdream
May 10 13:00:33 <mickey|office> *nod*
May 10 13:00:53 <mickey|office> the dream's gps and wifi was very frustrating. also the n900 modem
May 10 13:01:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, basically did you read the dbus part of fsogsmd
May 10 13:01:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's nice and may help
May 10 13:01:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|office, specially alsa for me, then wifi
May 10 13:02:00 <mickey|office> yep
May 10 13:02:26 <mickey|office> and eventually i gave up on learning edje, this was just too low level for me :/
May 10 13:02:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it's not good for my shoulder to get nervous....since I have now issues because I hit too much the table
May 10 13:02:50 <mickey|office> heh, you need to buy a punching ball
May 10 13:02:53 <mickey|office> better for your health
May 10 13:02:55 <mickey|office> and for the table...
May 10 13:03:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|office, do you speak french, captainigloo has a good tutorial
May 10 13:03:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ...in french
May 10 13:03:28 <mickey|office> well, it's too late now, i think me and edje will never become friends
May 10 13:03:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|office, I don't care about the table, it's solid, but I care about my health
May 10 13:03:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> altough the problem is that things like the LCD screen or the phones can jump.....
May 10 13:04:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|office, it's normal....edje was designed for designers
May 10 13:04:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> you're a programmer, not a designer
May 10 13:04:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> I was told that designers can find many concept they learned in edje
May 10 13:05:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> which are not familars for programmers
May 10 13:06:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> but maybe I was wrong and you are also a designer?
May 10 13:07:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> designer means graphic designer
May 10 13:09:07 <mickey|office> i think it's rather a question of abstraction
May 10 13:09:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 10 13:09:29 <mickey|office> i'm not good at low level things
May 10 13:09:32 <mickey|office> i love high level abstractions
May 10 13:09:35 <mickey|office> and qml is higher level as edje
May 10 13:09:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 13:09:46 <DocScrutinizer> you heard aboit skype? ;-P
May 10 13:09:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
May 10 13:09:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> what's happening?
May 10 13:10:03 <DocScrutinizer> skype == MS now
May 10 13:10:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> they're freeing the GUI but not the lib?
May 10 13:10:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 10 13:10:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> anyway I don't use skype
May 10 13:10:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I use SIP
May 10 13:10:22 <DocScrutinizer> me neither
May 10 13:10:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've even my own asterisk server
May 10 13:10:50 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless I'd consider this the death of either linux-skype or linux
May 10 13:11:06 <lindi-> GNUtoo|laptop: SIP is just not the answer for calls over internet :(
May 10 13:11:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe that's good
May 10 13:11:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe it will be reverse engineered
May 10 13:11:27 <lindi-> GNUtoo|laptop: skype?
May 10 13:11:27 <DocScrutinizer> it can't
May 10 13:11:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> I know it's very hard
May 10 13:11:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> since it's:
May 10 13:11:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> *offuscated
May 10 13:11:52 <DocScrutinizer> you could build a shadow skype, with your own registration servers
May 10 13:11:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> *encrypted at code level
May 10 13:11:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> *encrypted at network level
May 10 13:12:09 <DocScrutinizer> that's all not the probelm
May 10 13:12:27 <DocScrutinizer> the registrar infra is
May 10 13:12:38 <DocScrutinizer> you can't crack the authentication
May 10 13:12:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 10 13:13:00 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
May 10 13:13:06 <lindi-> GNUtoo|laptop: it would be better to write a free software clone
May 10 13:13:21 <DocScrutinizer> see that famous blackhat whitepaper about skype
May 10 13:13:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> lindi-, indeed that's what I was talking about
May 10 13:13:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 13:13:36 <mickey|office> facetime *cough* ;)
May 10 13:13:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> the one named castle in the sky?
May 10 13:13:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> or castel in the skype?
May 10 13:13:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> *castle
May 10 13:14:08 <lindi-> GNUtoo|laptop: but nobody seems to be interested. the alternatives try to be something completely different
May 10 13:14:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's because everybody use the non-free client
May 10 13:14:47 <lindi-> GNUtoo|laptop: yep
May 10 13:15:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> but if the client becomes unavailable
May 10 13:15:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe something free will appear
May 10 13:15:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> we need the freedombox
May 10 13:15:38 <lindi-> GNUtoo|laptop: and SIP actually has a negative effect here. it makes some developers think that the solution already exists and they are not interested in writing their own
May 10 13:15:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> (to deploy alternative networks to skype)
May 10 13:16:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> I like SIP and asterisk even if it's not perfect
May 10 13:16:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> there is also jingle
May 10 13:16:17 <lindi-> GNUtoo|laptop: sure it's good for some uses
May 10 13:16:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> I won't use or reverse skype anyway
May 10 13:16:37 <lindi-> GNUtoo|laptop: when it's your own network for example
May 10 13:16:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed that's what I have
May 10 13:17:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically I consider skype like spying technology
May 10 13:17:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> a bit like msn
May 10 13:17:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> there are free client for msn
May 10 13:17:33 <DocScrutinizer> the property of skype to easily deal with NAT is paid for by abusing every client as a proxy. No sane concept will do that
May 10 13:17:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> but that doesn't make me use it
May 10 13:17:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> and using your bandwith too
May 10 13:17:54 <DocScrutinizer> s/proxy/relais server/
May 10 13:17:54 <apt> DocScrutinizer meant: the property of skype to easily deal with NAT is paid for by abusing every client as a relais server. No sane concept will do that
May 10 13:18:04 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: bittorrent works
May 10 13:18:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> => not possible to use it in universities or place where there are huge bandwiths
May 10 13:19:13 <DocScrutinizer> the alternative would be to have centrally provided relay servers, and that's exactly what SIP does on hosted NAT
May 10 13:21:38 <DocScrutinizer> the other outstanding feature of skype is its usage of commercial grade iLBC plus associated framework
May 10 13:22:05 <DocScrutinizer> which admittedly is one of the best streaming frameworks available
May 10 13:22:30 <DocScrutinizer> but recently there came up alternatives
May 10 13:22:53 <DocScrutinizer> and iLBC could get supported by commercial SIP clients as well
May 10 13:23:04 <patrickg> hrm.. skype provides a patent grant for that new audio codec codeveloped with xiph. wonder what will happen to that
May 10 13:24:03 <mrmoku> mickey|office: hmm... call.update_status is the thing to use? I see the palm modem plugin uses that... but nothing else?
May 10 13:24:18 <DocScrutinizer> actually there's already a free implementation of basic iLBC, but not the associated framework offering cute error correction, jitter buffer management etc
May 10 13:24:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=452
May 10 13:24:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=454
May 10 13:24:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> what about that ^^^
May 10 13:24:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> is it good enough?
May 10 13:25:14 <mrmoku> mickey|office: ahh, rest uses update with detail...
May 10 13:32:31 <DocScrutinizer> GNUtoo|laptop: it's in kernel, thanks Greg Kroah-Hartman (the anti-lennart character of linux)
May 10 13:32:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 13:32:53 <DocScrutinizer> so it's always good enough for me
May 10 13:33:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> audio codecs are in the kernel now?
May 10 13:33:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> btw I know gregkh
May 10 13:33:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> not personally
May 10 13:33:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I know who he is
May 10 13:34:04 <DocScrutinizer> it's basically impossible not to know who he is
May 10 13:34:27 <mickey|office> mrmoku: you can use update, but since there is no real callhandler, i'd just send the signals manually 
May 10 13:34:50 <DocScrutinizer> seems almost every advanced weldone bit in linux is somehow related to him :-)
May 10 13:35:49 <DocScrutinizer> also this guy must have invented the 96h day
May 10 13:36:07 <mrmoku> mickey|office: you mean directly from the IsiCallHandler?
May 10 13:36:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> what does anti-lennart means btw
May 10 13:36:51 <DocScrutinizer> like anti-christ ;-)
May 10 13:37:05 <DocScrutinizer> the complemetary opposite in character
May 10 13:37:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 13:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> simply put, a project co-done py lennat poettering and greg would shock me
May 10 13:38:38 <DocScrutinizer> s/py/by/
May 10 13:38:38 <apt> DocScrutinizer meant: simply put, a project co-done by lennat poettering and greg would shock me
May 10 13:39:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> I attended at a presentation by gregkh on the kernel at fosdem btw
May 10 13:39:32 <DocScrutinizer> judging by the typos, my brain needs some sort of 2nd kickstart today
May 10 13:39:43 <DocScrutinizer> o/
May 10 13:41:28 <mrmoku> mickey|office: like this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/386340/ ?
May 10 13:41:53 <mrmoku> mickey|office: missing probably the part when an outgoing call get's active
May 10 13:52:59 <mrmoku> mickey|office: well sure not like that :P
May 10 13:53:40 <mrmoku> as it's missing id and properties
May 10 14:00:26 <Q-Master> mrmoku: what's wrong with bat indicator on neo? it shows full crap.
May 10 14:00:52 <mickey|office> mrmoku: yep, at least add 1 and an empty hashtable
May 10 14:01:00 <mickey|office> mrmoku: but otherwise that should be ok for now
May 10 14:01:24 <mickey|office> (note that IDs are 1-based IIRC)
May 10 14:02:03 <mickey|office> we don't detect when a call gets active yet
May 10 14:02:07 <mickey|office> so no problem in leaving that out ;)
May 10 14:02:08 <mrmoku> mickey|office: I would tend to extend the ISI_CallStatus with an id and take the one from the modem?
May 10 14:02:23 <mickey|office> for the "real" version, yes
May 10 14:02:56 <mrmoku> mickey|office: then just connecting to the status_indication should suffice for all?
May 10 14:03:18 <mickey|office> it might, i don't know atm.
May 10 14:03:25 <mrmoku> ok, lets try :)
May 10 14:03:27 <mickey|office> :)
May 10 14:04:06 <mickey|office> on ISI we might be able to do what we I did in frameworkd for the calypso
May 10 14:04:24 <mickey|office> which was basically only taking the modem status as reference
May 10 14:04:52 <mickey|office> (by monitoring some %callstatus URC)
May 10 14:05:05 <mickey|office> normal AT modems don't have that necessarily
May 10 14:05:22 <mickey|office> so you have to add heuristics and timers to gather the callstatus
May 10 14:20:33 <mrmoku> yup, that would be nice and easy
May 10 14:21:12 <mickey|office> i did not port it to fsogsmd's calypso yet
May 10 14:21:18 <mickey|office> we're polling with +CCLD there
May 10 14:21:30 <mickey|office> could be improved if someone really wants to do that
May 10 14:21:42 <mickey|office> same as finally moving to n_gsm
May 10 14:59:25 <mickey|office> feierabend
May 10 15:10:02 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: do you know which one refers to the other side in a call? MO_ALERTING or MT_ALERTING?
May 10 15:11:35 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: ahh, nvm. MO = mobile originated / MT = mobile terminated
May 10 15:12:15 <DocScrutinizer> Mobile_Originated and Mobile_Terminated
May 10 15:12:23 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 10 15:12:43 <DocScrutinizer> whatever that means for alerting
May 10 15:12:57 <DocScrutinizer> usually MO is outbound
May 10 15:13:06 <DocScrutinizer> [col.]
May 10 15:13:12 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 10 15:16:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis isn't there
May 10 15:16:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> I cannot record
May 10 15:17:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:957:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream
May 10 15:18:17 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: probably means ringing... at least that's what I understand
May 10 15:18:38 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: getting closer... hopefully :)
May 10 15:18:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 15:18:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> arecord -D hw:0 -f S16_LE -c 2 | aplay
May 10 15:18:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> seem to do something
May 10 15:24:10 <DocScrutinizer> GNUtoo|laptop: for recording you need a dsnoop muxer for streaming mic up to several concurrent sources.
May 10 15:28:12 <DocScrutinizer> GNUtoo|laptop: see >>ENS1370.pcm.default {<< in /usr/share/alsa/cards/ENS1370.conf for instance
May 10 15:29:16 <DocScrutinizer> that's part of ALSA concept madness that each plugin per def is consisting of a downstream as well as an upstream
May 10 15:29:43 <DocScrutinizer> type asym plugin splits those up
May 10 15:30:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 15:30:45 <DocScrutinizer> so you can playback to a "alsa:default" (or whatever you like to name it) pcm "device" that has dmix, and as well can recors from same pcm device
May 10 15:33:29 <DocScrutinizer> one of the misconceptions/ignorance that made some people claim alsa dmix is broken
May 10 15:33:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> recording now works, it was only the settings
May 10 15:34:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I'll have to add dsnoop
May 10 15:34:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> to ensure it works fine
May 10 15:34:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> or to ask morphis to do it
May 10 15:34:13 <DocScrutinizer> sure, using hw:0.0 should work :-D
May 10 15:34:47 <DocScrutinizer> but it exclusively occupies mic. That may or may not be a desired behaviour
May 10 15:35:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> ont desired
May 10 15:35:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> since an app can block telephony
May 10 15:35:13 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 10 15:39:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> does nokia have other headset that have more standard earphones?
May 10 16:01:23 <DocScrutinizer> hm?
May 10 16:02:49 <DocScrutinizer> for N900? All standard headphones and most headsets will work (modulo the multibutton type not (yet ;-P) supported for the multiple buttons)
May 10 17:15:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> back
May 10 17:15:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> I need to eat tough
May 10 17:16:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've white nokia headphones that can record and fit to my ears(they don't fall)
May 10 17:16:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> so now when we will be able to make calls
May 10 17:16:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> its microphone will be used
May 10 17:22:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi angelox_123 
May 10 17:22:28 <angelox_123> hi GNUtoo|laptop
May 10 17:22:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> so you tried SHR on A1200 ?
May 10 17:22:36 <angelox_123> thinking in boot SHR on my device...
May 10 17:23:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 17:23:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> did you bitbake an image?
May 10 17:23:20 <angelox_123> no,i'll do it in about 3 minutes
May 10 17:23:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow
May 10 17:23:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/wow/
May 10 17:23:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok, are you ready to fix or workarround the mplayer problem?
May 10 17:24:14 <angelox_123> i think so..
May 10 17:24:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok nice
May 10 17:24:22 <angelox_123> just a question: What would be the best branch from OE to make shr?
May 10 17:24:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> note that it can be long to compile
May 10 17:24:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> master
May 10 17:24:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> but add that in your local.conf too:
May 10 17:25:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> require conf/distro/include/fso-autorev.inc
May 10 17:25:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> require conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc
May 10 17:25:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's needed to get the last version of shr and fso 
May 10 17:25:56 <angelox_123> hmm ok
May 10 17:29:36 <angelox_123> bitbake shr-image ? or bitbake otherthing-image ?
May 10 17:29:45 <GNUoo|n900> shr-image
May 10 17:29:58 <GNUoo|n900> alternatively there is
May 10 17:30:06 <GNUoo|n900> shr-lite-image
May 10 17:31:06 <angelox_123> hmm ok,thank you,bitbake*ing*
May 10 17:39:21 <angelox_123> GNUtoo|laptop: Lot of unbuildable errors
May 10 17:39:36 <GNUoo|n900> did you choose shr distro?
May 10 17:39:44 <angelox_123> yes...
May 10 17:40:48 <GNUoo|n900> doubble check it
May 10 17:40:58 <GNUoo|n900> and then pastebin the errors
May 10 17:41:06 * angelox_123 doesn't know why,but every time he want to try something,he got errors :\
May 10 17:41:09 <angelox_123> ok...
May 10 17:42:16 <angelox_123> it's like it are trying to compile xserver-kdrive,but the correct is xorg-xserver
May 10 17:42:20 <angelox_123> http://pastebin.com/u7FbhkmJ
May 10 17:45:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> then change it in machine config
May 10 17:45:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> looking....
May 10 17:45:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> #
May 10 17:45:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> DISTRO            = "shr" => that's ok
May 10 17:46:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> change your machine config to xorg
May 10 17:46:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> look in other machines for examples
May 10 17:46:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> such as nokia900,om-gta02,htcdream etc...
May 10 17:47:07 <angelox_123> did it
May 10 17:47:11 <angelox_123> trying again now
May 10 17:49:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 17:50:21 <angelox_123> worked,compiling. thnks
May 10 17:50:26 <angelox_123> s/thnks/thanks/
May 10 17:50:26 <apt> angelox_123 meant: worked,compiling. thanks
May 10 17:52:18 * angelox_123 saw "Running task 1 of 10768 " and tought that this can be slow
May 10 17:52:49 <angelox_123> s/tought/thought
May 10 17:56:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes as I said(for the slowness)
May 10 17:56:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> altough compiling shr-lite-image can speed a bit things
May 10 17:56:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> instead of shr-image
May 10 17:57:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> but it would contain less things
May 10 17:58:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi mrmoku 
May 10 18:08:19 <mrmoku> hi GNUtoo|laptop 
May 10 18:08:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> what's the status?
May 10 18:08:40 <mrmoku> segfault :P
May 10 18:08:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> should I try the plugin I modified?
May 10 18:08:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> segfault of fsogsmd?
May 10 18:08:47 <mrmoku> no, not yet
May 10 18:08:57 <mrmoku> still struggling with fsogsmd segfaulting on call status indications
May 10 18:09:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 18:09:09 <mrmoku> also busy to make the little one sleep
May 10 18:09:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> did you try gdb already?
May 10 18:09:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> is the segfault pushed?
May 10 18:09:17 <mrmoku> yup, corrupted backtrace
May 10 18:09:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 18:09:18 <mrmoku> no
May 10 18:09:19 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc078f4fb384c 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: 
May 10 18:09:19 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: add support for reading capacity from charge_{now|full} nodes,
May 10 18:09:19 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: which apparantly some of the newer modules are using
May 10 18:09:19 <mrmoku> not pushed
May 10 18:09:33 <mrmoku> brb
May 10 18:09:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 18:47:47 <zub> evening
May 10 18:48:26 <zub> after quite a while I'd like to build shr-u
May 10 18:49:09 <zub> I'm not using the Makefile. Were there any complex changes recently w.r.t. the build system?
May 10 18:49:53 <zub> something like OE branch changing?
May 10 18:50:24 <mrmoku> zub: not yet
May 10 18:50:29 <mrmoku> the future will be quite different though
May 10 18:50:37 * zub is already scared
May 10 18:50:41 <zub> thanks though
May 10 18:50:53 <mrmoku> yw
May 10 18:51:07 <zub> I've not been keeping up to date w.r.t. all the OE stuff going on, so I have just a vague feeling of anxiety
May 10 18:52:42 <mrmoku> well oe as it is has an uncertain future
May 10 18:52:58 <zub> 8-O
May 10 18:53:08 <mrmoku> there will be oe-core which contains only the real core stuff
May 10 18:53:33 <mrmoku> and meta-oe which adds part of the rest of current oe
May 10 18:53:44 <mrmoku> and meta-shr which adds the rest we need
May 10 18:53:53 <zub> and in what state is this change? i.e. is oe-core here yet?
May 10 18:53:57 <mrmoku> layered approach
May 10 18:54:01 <mrmoku> yup, it's there
May 10 18:54:15 <zub> meta-shr will live on top of meta-oe?
May 10 18:54:27 <mrmoku> JaMa started to explore it and already can build images with it
May 10 18:54:57 <mrmoku> yeah, we will use oe-core meta-oe and meta-shr
May 10 18:55:04 <mrmoku> or was it oe-meta and shr-meta? :P
May 10 18:55:18 <mrmoku> anyway... you can still build with good old oe :-)
May 10 18:55:36 <zub> I'll try... though my current setup is sub-optimal :-/
May 10 18:55:46 <mrmoku> in what regard?
May 10 18:56:20 <zub> my "headless desktop" has dead PSU... so I can only use laptop + external HDD connected via USB, and all encrypted -> quite slow for builds
May 10 18:56:31 <mrmoku> ahh, ok :P
May 10 18:56:32 <zub> gotta fix my headless desktop :-/
May 10 18:56:53 <mrmoku> changing the power supply should be feasable (on a desktop) :-)
May 10 18:56:58 <zub> @least I have decent inet connectivty thx to m-net :)
May 10 18:57:04 <mrmoku> :)
May 10 18:57:26 <zub> yes, but it's several hundred kms away... but hopefully I manage to have it done by weekend
May 10 18:57:44 <mrmoku> ahh.. that makes it more complex indeed
May 10 18:57:53 <zub> I don't have that long hands :)
May 10 18:57:58 <zub> s/hands/arms/
May 10 18:57:58 <apt> zub meant: I don't have that long arms :)
May 10 18:58:01 <mrmoku> fortunatelly not ;)
May 10 18:58:18 <mrmoku> the FR display would be too small for you to see anything
May 10 18:58:24 <zub> :()
May 10 18:58:29 <zub> ehm, I mean :)
May 10 18:58:32 <mrmoku> :)
May 10 18:58:55 <zub> OT... I recently discovered skype also supports s/blah/bleh/ :) [not that I would be using it any more...]
May 10 18:59:09 <mrmoku> mickey|zzZZzz: I fear I have to keep track of the calls somewhere... not all indications contain all needed info
May 10 19:00:01 <mrmoku> zub: I read the news today that it's MS-Skype now... which makes it even less attractive than it was ;)
May 10 19:00:13 <zub> yup, that's what I mean by the comment :)
May 10 19:00:17 <mrmoku> ahh :)
May 10 19:00:20 <zub> though I never liked it
May 10 19:00:33 <zub> but it usually worked, which I can't say about ekiga :-/
May 10 19:00:58 <mrmoku> that's the unfortunate part... lack of open _and_ good alternatives :/
May 10 19:02:32 <zub> mrmoku: bitbake 1.10 is ok?
May 10 19:02:42 <zub> 1.10 branch
May 10 19:02:54 <mrmoku> hmm... let me check what we have in our chroot
May 10 19:03:13 <mrmoku> OE nokia900@shr ~/shr-unstable $ bitbake --version
May 10 19:03:13 <mrmoku> BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.13.0, bitbake version 1.13.0
May 10 19:03:35 <mrmoku> zub: might not be ok... not sure though
May 10 19:04:19 <Venemo> hi
May 10 19:04:26 <Venemo> what window manager does SHR use?
May 10 19:05:03 <zub> ewm, AFAIK :)
May 10 19:05:22 <zub> mrmoku: ok, I'll switch to 1.13 if I gind it in git :)
May 10 19:05:34 <Venemo> thx zub
May 10 19:07:20 <mickeyl> mrmoku: yes, some light bookkeeping is inevitable
May 10 19:08:38 <mrmoku> mickeyl: would you prefer it in gisicomm or in fsogsmd?
May 10 19:09:23 <mickeyl> my gut feeling says fsogsmd's isi callhandler
May 10 19:09:26 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r4ff40888a7dc 10/aurora/README: aurora: add some information to README about how to run aurora
May 10 19:09:29 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r17a2cdfb401f 10/aurora/ (15 files in 4 dirs): 
May 10 19:09:29 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: aurora: initial version of the dial-number widget in the phone application
May 10 19:09:29 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: This needs a refactoring but is a first start which can only be better in the future.
May 10 19:09:31 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r4e703644847d 10/aurora/data/theme/widgets/ (5 files): aurora: remove black lines from some images
May 10 19:09:41 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r99136fd87457 10/aurora/components/Aurora/ (4 files in 2 dirs): aurora: some more work on the phone dialer page
May 10 19:09:43 <mrmoku> mickeyl: ok, will do that then
May 10 19:09:43 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r94a01103af5a 10/aurora/ (6 files in 5 dirs): aurora: some updates regarding the phone application
May 10 19:09:45 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r95a8a5bbd9bb 10/aurora/TODO: aurora: remove enttry from TODO file
May 10 19:09:49 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r22b87c24712b 10/aurora/.gitignore: aurora: update .gitignore
May 10 19:11:10 <morphis> heyho
May 10 19:11:15 <zub> hm, what's aurora about?
May 10 19:12:13 <zub> I see Qt, I see vala...
May 10 19:12:17 <mickeyl> morning morphis 
May 10 19:12:32 <zub> and I even see some c++
May 10 19:12:35 <mickeyl> zub: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Aurora
May 10 19:12:56 <zub> ah, thx
May 10 19:13:14 <morphis> mickeyl: I have done the first bits of the phone application today
May 10 19:13:27 <mickeyl> awesome
May 10 19:13:30 <mickeyl> i'm fighting with dbus
May 10 19:13:39 <mickeyl> can't get the damn integration to work
May 10 19:13:51 <morphis> mickeyl: do we want a contacts view in the first version of aurora?
May 10 19:13:59 <morphis> mickeyl: you mean glib-qt?
May 10 19:14:23 <mickeyl> morphis: i wouldn't mind just a digits dialer
May 10 19:14:26 <mickeyl> it's 0.1, after all
May 10 19:14:33 <morphis> ok
May 10 19:14:34 <mickeyl> no, dbus is somewhat moaning about a not present mainloop
May 10 19:14:36 <mickeyl> but it is present
May 10 19:15:30 <morphis> so we need access to the mainloop from inside qt?
May 10 19:15:41 <mickeyl> implicitly yes
May 10 19:16:02 <mickeyl> you have to tell it to dbus-glib, otherwise it won't be able to receive signals or call async
May 10 19:17:20 <morphis> hm, I discoverd a PyKDE example
May 10 19:17:21 <morphis> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages/Python/PyKDE_DBus_Tutorial
May 10 19:17:28 <morphis> there they don't do anything with the mainloop
May 10 19:17:46 <morphis> just calling dbus.SessionBus()
May 10 19:18:30 <mickeyl> yes
May 10 19:18:43 <mickeyl> they are neither using signals nor async calls
May 10 19:18:49 <mickeyl> hence they don't use the mainloop
May 10 19:18:57 <morphis> ah ok
May 10 19:19:03 <morphis> thats the problm
May 10 19:19:20 <mickeyl> i have a pyside example
May 10 19:19:26 <mickeyl> i just don't know why theirs work and ours not
May 10 19:19:27 <mickeyl> oh well
May 10 19:20:06 <morphis> you mean this one: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/PySide_DBus_Integration ?
May 10 19:20:35 <mickeyl> yes, thatone
May 10 19:22:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, any progress?
May 10 19:22:54 <morphis> you have the line "dbus.mainloop.glib.DBusGMainLoop(set_as_default=True)" after creating the QApplication?
May 10 19:24:14 <mickeyl> ya
May 10 19:24:39 <mickeyl> i'll find it sooner or later
May 10 19:24:40 <mickeyl> don't worry
May 10 19:24:58 <morphis> mickeyl: ok
May 10 19:29:54 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r001d3ba68863 10/aurora/ (5 files in 3 dirs): aurora: start w/ dbus integration
May 10 19:30:46 <Slyon> moin
May 10 19:31:01 <mickeyl> morphis: nice dialpad :)
May 10 19:31:06 <morphis> :)
May 10 19:31:08 <morphis> Slyon: heyho
May 10 19:31:29 <Slyon> morphis, i just put the pre modem forwarding into fso wiki
May 10 19:31:50 <morphis> Slyon: very good
May 10 19:33:54 <morphis> mickeyl: I will update the wiki pages about aurora and start with the annoucement tomorrow
May 10 19:34:02 <morphis> mickeyl: you like the structure of the dialer?
May 10 19:34:28 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: it's a bit more work than expected
May 10 19:34:31 <morphis> in a later version there will be another toolbar at the bottom of the screen to switch to call histroy/...
May 10 19:34:41 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: and I don't want to feed you with something not working :)
May 10 19:35:56 <mrmoku> mickeyl: what is ntype in phonenumberStringToRealTuple ?
May 10 19:37:40 <mickeyl> the magic 07.07 number
May 10 19:37:47 <mickeyl> 129 for local
May 10 19:37:49 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r8078476b7627 10/aurora/aurora/ (extensions/agents.py patterns/dbusnames.py): aurora: get battery capacity from FSO
May 10 19:37:58 <mickeyl> 147 for international
May 10 19:38:00 <mickeyl> (or so)
May 10 19:38:15 <mrmoku> ahh, ok
May 10 19:38:46 <mickeyl> Constants() should provide you with conversion functions
May 10 19:38:51 <mickeyl> no need to check that for your own
May 10 19:41:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, ok np I'll wait
May 10 19:41:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe I'll try to do some buglabs stuff or to port world war vi to openembedded
May 10 19:42:24 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: yeah, it will take me some time to get it correct
May 10 19:42:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> or....
May 10 19:42:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> I could fix the kernel
May 10 19:42:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> for oss
May 10 19:43:10 <mrmoku> that too :-)
May 10 19:44:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> the funny thing with word war vi is that it uses vi commands
May 10 19:44:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> up,down,left,right are the vi ones
May 10 19:44:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> like hjkl
May 10 19:55:18 <mrmoku> mickeyl: did you say call ids in fso are 0 based?
May 10 19:55:31 <mickeyl> no, i said they're 1 based
May 10 19:55:36 <mickeyl> just like in 07.07
May 10 19:55:39 <mrmoku> hmm
May 10 19:55:57 <mrmoku> NokiaIsi.isimodem.call.releaseVoiceCall( (uint8) id+1, GIsiClient.Call.CauseType.CLIENT, GIsiClient.Call.IsiCause.RELEASE_BY_USER, (error) => 
May 10 19:55:57 <mickeyl> at least externally
May 10 19:56:11 <angelox_123> i'm back :)
May 10 19:56:13 <mrmoku> then I don't understand id+1 here
May 10 19:56:28 <mickeyl> me neither
May 10 19:56:28 <angelox_123> are you there morphis?
May 10 19:56:33 <mrmoku> mickeyl: ok :)
May 10 20:01:17 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * rf3ceba3bb775 10/aurora/ (4 files in 3 dirs): aurora: visualize charging status in power indicatior
May 10 20:01:19 <mickeyl> ok, battery indicator is done
May 10 20:01:28 <mickeyl> next one is cellular status
May 10 20:01:30 <mickeyl> but not today
May 10 20:01:31 <mickeyl> g'night
May 10 20:01:34 <angelox_123> great mickeyl
May 10 20:09:09 <mrmoku> night mickey|zzZZzz 
May 10 20:31:00 <morphis> angelox|oe: I fixed the problem in aurora
May 10 20:31:07 <morphis> angelox|oe: can you try again?
May 10 20:31:23 <angelox|oe> hmm you didn't fix :)
May 10 20:31:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> fun, fun, fun I've word war vi working on the nokia n900, but I cheated and used sed + vi + oe_runmake
May 10 20:32:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> works flawlessly
May 10 20:32:51 <angelox|oe> your last commit doesnt work...
May 10 20:33:17 <angelox|oe> morphis: i got the same error as when i was trying to fix
May 10 20:34:27 <angelox|oe>     sys.path.prepend( PYTHON_PATH )
May 10 20:34:29 <angelox|oe> AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'prepend'
May 10 20:34:59 <angelox|oe> iirc i tried to s/prepend/append and it didn't work
May 10 20:35:29 <angelox|oe> hmm worked now
May 10 20:35:56 <angelox|oe> but you need change your commit from sys.path.prepend to sys.path.append :)
May 10 20:36:24 <morphis_> angelox|oe: ok
May 10 20:36:26 <morphis_> will do that
May 10 20:36:47 <angelox|oe> btw,thanks by your help
May 10 20:37:36 <morphis_> angelox|oe: no problem
May 10 20:37:44 <morphis_> I hope you will help us too :)
May 10 20:38:01 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r0c9ae2b3947d 10/aurora/bin/aurora.in: aurora: there is no prepend so use append for python lists
May 10 20:38:17 <angelox|oe> of course :)
May 10 20:38:45 <angelox|oe> i have a lot of ideas,but i don't know if they are usable here
May 10 20:40:05 <morphis_> angelox|oe: then you should add them in the wiki
May 10 20:40:40 <morphis_> for example here http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Aurora/UserStories
May 10 20:40:49 <morphis_> or feel free to create a http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Aurora/Ideas site
May 10 20:41:19 <angelox|oe> yes,this should be good. thanks
May 10 20:45:17 <angelox|oe> i only can't find a "Create Account" button
May 10 20:48:00 <morphis_> angelox|oe: top-left
May 10 20:48:11 <morphis_> "Log in / create account"
May 10 20:48:23 <angelox|oe> but there's only log-in,no one create account on that page :\
May 10 20:49:27 <angelox|oe> i got: "You are not allowed to create an account" on http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Special:Userlogin/signup 
May 10 20:51:25 <angelox|oe> "To be allowed to create accounts in freesmartphone.org you have to log in and have the appropriate permissions."
May 10 20:51:45 * angelox|oe thinks that is strange need to log in to create a account
May 10 20:54:35 <morphis_> angelox|oe: maybe mickey|zzZZzz deactivated it through massive spam attacts
May 10 20:54:54 <angelox|oe> hmm ok..
May 10 20:55:25 * angelox|oe is trying start a settings tab
May 10 20:55:37 * angelox|oe is trying to start a settings app*
May 10 21:14:28 <dcordes> hi
May 10 21:14:32 <dcordes> angelox|oe: what device do you have ?
May 10 21:15:11 <angelox|oe> hi dcordes
May 10 21:15:18 <angelox|oe> dcordes: i have a Motorola A1200
May 10 21:15:28 <dcordes> oldskool
May 10 21:15:51 <angelox|oe> yes :\
May 10 21:16:06 <angelox|oe> but i have too a qemuarm here :)
May 10 21:16:09 <dcordes> I considered it like 5 years ago when I was evaluating what linux mobile device to buy
May 10 21:16:20 <dcordes> or even longer ago
May 10 21:16:32 <angelox|oe> and you bought it?
May 10 21:16:48 <dcordes> no I bought a sharp zaurus sl-c1000 (akita)
May 10 21:17:18 <angelox|oe> cool ;)
May 10 21:18:15 <dcordes> does shr work well on a1200 ?
May 10 21:18:28 <angelox|oe> i haven't tried yet
May 10 21:18:51 <dcordes> what is the display resolution ?
May 10 21:18:59 <angelox|oe> i'll wait to tonight to leave pc compiling,i'm running in a Intel Core i3 with KDE4 and i cant use kde while compiling
May 10 21:19:01 <angelox|oe> 240x320
May 10 21:19:07 <dcordes> ah qvga
May 10 21:19:25 <angelox|oe> Yes,i never remember the names
May 10 21:19:42 <dcordes> I always start with vga which is 640x480
May 10 21:20:23 <angelox|oe> morphis: I'm making a Settings app. I can colorize texts? or it's better black&white texts ?
May 10 21:20:39 <angelox|oe> dcordes: i'm thinking in buy a new phone..
May 10 21:20:50 <dcordes> angelox|oe: a replacement for shr-settings program ?
May 10 21:21:07 <angelox|oe> dcordes: no,it's for aurora
May 10 21:21:16 <dcordes> aurora ?
May 10 21:21:26 <angelox|laptop> yes..let me get the link of the wiki
May 10 21:21:33 <angelox|laptop> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Aurora
May 10 21:21:34 <dcordes> angelox|laptop: you should consider an HTC handset :)
May 10 21:21:54 <angelox|laptop> here on my country isn't easy to find handhelds,palms...
May 10 21:22:36 <dcordes> ah but what about EFL ? :(
May 10 21:22:41 <dcordes> I like it so much
May 10 21:22:50 <dcordes> with elfe and all the fun, no need for hardware accel
May 10 21:23:16 <angelox|laptop> well,i didn't choose it :) morphis and mickeyl did..
May 10 21:23:25 <dcordes> the two of them ?
May 10 21:23:41 <dcordes> I was wondering who "we decided" is reading the wiki
May 10 21:23:42 <angelox|laptop> and i like QML
May 10 21:23:54 <dcordes> I can't judge
May 10 21:24:01 <dcordes> because I'm no software engineer
May 10 21:24:15 <dcordes> I just know I like efl
May 10 21:24:40 <angelox|laptop> well,i never used EFL..so i can't judge too. i only used QML and liked it
May 10 21:25:12 <dcordes> I think efl is well known for the good graphical performance without the need of fast gpus
May 10 21:25:55 <angelox|laptop> i run fastly QML on my A1200
May 10 21:26:29 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: I have to finish it tomorrow
May 10 21:26:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok np
May 10 21:26:46 * mrmoku can hear his pillow calling :)
May 10 21:26:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll wait
May 10 21:27:03 <mrmoku> good... because I want to do it right
May 10 21:27:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 10 21:27:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> good
May 10 21:27:50 <mrmoku> if you're not busy with other stuff and want to take a look... I still would like to see gustavo's connman thingie in action :)
May 10 21:29:35 <mrmoku> gnight all
May 10 21:30:10 <angelox|laptop> good night mrmoku
May 10 21:53:11 <angelox|laptop> morphis: ping
May 10 21:53:41 <morphis_> angelox|laptop: pong
May 10 21:53:53 <angelox|laptop> morphis_: i can use hubs inside apps ?
May 10 21:54:06 <morphis_> you can as they are only qml components
May 10 21:54:13 <morphis_> but you should not
May 10 21:54:27 <angelox|laptop> i should create ListView,List*** etc.. ?
May 10 21:54:42 <morphis_> angelox|laptop: look at the phone application
May 10 21:54:57 <angelox|laptop> it doesn't have what i want..
May 10 21:54:57 <morphis_> a application consists of several pages
May 10 21:55:05 <morphis_> what do you want?
May 10 21:55:43 <angelox|laptop> i made here a "Settings App" and i want to create a hub (like on the Today/Home Screen page) to open another app, like a About Aurora... app
May 10 21:56:11 <angelox|laptop> i'll use ListModel for that i think
May 10 21:56:16 <morphis_> no
May 10 21:56:26 <morphis_> you don't do hubs inside apps
May 10 21:56:34 <morphis_> hubs are only for the home screen
May 10 21:56:40 <morphis_> for nothing else
May 10 21:56:43 <angelox|laptop> hmm
May 10 21:56:57 <angelox|laptop> i see..
May 10 21:57:00 <morphis_> and you will open another page within the settings application
May 10 21:57:06 <morphis_> not another app
May 10 21:57:12 <angelox|laptop> hmm ok
May 10 21:57:20 <angelox|laptop> understood
May 10 21:57:24 <angelox|laptop> thanks
May 10 21:57:31 <morphis_> look at this: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=aurora.git;a=commit;h=c89366ac59718efb3ef4cba09f0fdcc6c0a8e051
May 10 21:57:52 <morphis_> it will show you the idea
May 10 21:58:30 <angelox|laptop> thanks again :) another question: I shouldn't use colored texts isn't? will turn Aurora ugly isn't?
May 10 21:58:49 <morphis_> jepp
May 10 21:58:54 <morphis_> use white as text color
May 10 21:59:08 <morphis_> and black as background color
May 10 21:59:19 <morphis_> that should be the default colors for now
May 10 21:59:23 <morphis_> just simple
May 10 21:59:36 <angelox|laptop> understood :) simple and beautiful 
May 10 22:00:37 <morphis_> :)
May 10 22:00:52 <morphis_> whats your concept for the settings app?
May 10 22:01:36 <morphis_> you should describe some user stories (like this http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Aurora/UserStories) which you want to implement
May 10 22:01:57 <morphis_> like "I want to set the GSM Network Operator"
May 10 22:02:44 <angelox|laptop> hmm,my English is bad. I didn't understand correct. You said to me to add a option like that? (I want to set the GSM Network Operator) or no?
May 10 22:02:47 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, lol I didn't know world war vi, looks good (I just saw it in scap.linuxtogo ;) )
May 10 22:04:05 <angelox|laptop> i'm settings tab i'm putting some buttons to open others pages(as you said),for example: About(Who created Aurora) Backgroud Options (Change Background Picture...)
May 10 22:04:34 <angelox|laptop> i'll first start with some pages without functions,to we implement later 
May 10 22:04:42 <morphis_> ok, I only wanted you to describe first what you want to do in some simple user stories
May 10 22:05:16 <morphis_> like "I want a page where I can look in the about details of aurora"
May 10 22:06:19 <angelox|laptop> ah ok
May 10 22:06:21 <morphis_> that way we are able to sort the features we want to pick up for each rather rather than trying to do everything at once
May 10 22:06:45 <morphis_> s/rather rahter/release rather/
May 10 22:07:13 <angelox|laptop> hum understood,i think hehe. So what we'll do for project we'll write on UserStories?
May 10 22:07:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, yes I'm porting it to oe
May 10 22:07:48 <morphis_> angelox|laptop: yes, we write user stories and sort them for each release
May 10 22:08:08 <morphis_> if you look at the wiki page, you will see I already picked some for the first release
May 10 22:08:22 <angelox|laptop> yes i'm seeing it now
May 10 22:08:44 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, nice :) surely next mobile I buy will have hw-keyboard, I'm missing lots of fun because of gta02 not having kb hehe
May 10 22:08:55 <morphis_> angelox|laptop: and I even added them to the release page
May 10 22:09:01 <angelox|laptop> morphis_: so,isn't so good i do that i'm doing now and focus in these that are selected?
May 10 22:09:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> TAsn, will be interested too
May 10 22:09:08 <morphis_> angelox|laptop: in that way we get a little bit organized
May 10 22:09:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> he pasted a video about a proprietary iphone game named pah
May 10 22:09:34 <pespin> I don't now it
May 10 22:09:39 <pespin> *know
May 10 22:09:47 <morphis_> angelox|laptop: if you want to do the settings app (which should be part of the 0.1 release), you can define some user stories and work on them
May 10 22:10:10 <pespin> ah, looks similar to the one you are porting now
May 10 22:10:23 <angelox|laptop> morphis_: ok,i'll do it. First i need get a account :)
May 10 22:10:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, you're interested in games then
May 10 22:10:28 <morphis_> yes
May 10 22:10:33 <pespin> lol, you move with voice
May 10 22:10:39 <morphis_> but you already can write down your stories :)
May 10 22:10:49 <morphis_> and paste them later over into the wiki
May 10 22:11:10 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, sure, I'd love having both games and kb to play when I'm waiting for someone, I'm in the underground, etc.
May 10 22:11:19 <angelox|laptop> morphis_: hmm ok. Thanks again to explain it to me :)
May 10 22:11:20 <pespin> ie. frozen-bubbles would be great
May 10 22:11:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, there is wesnoth too
May 10 22:12:50 <morphis_> angelox|laptop: no problem :)
May 10 22:12:53 <morphis_> so I am off boys
May 10 22:12:54 <morphis_> gn8
May 10 22:15:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, here's the initial recipe, it has a problem with sound: http://pastie.org/1886818
May 10 22:15:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> I must fix sound and then I push to oe.dev
May 10 22:16:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> I''ll finish it tomorrow
May 10 22:17:40 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, nice, wish I had time to try it on my neo
May 10 22:18:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, just plug an usb or bluetooth keyboard
May 10 22:19:15 * angelox|laptop never thoughts that exists a bluetooth keyboard (LOL)
May 10 22:20:28 <pespin> angelox|laptop, I have one (which needs usb power because it's broken) to test emtooth pairing hehe
May 10 22:20:49 <GNUoo|n900> btw about emtooth...
May 10 22:20:56 <angelox|laptop> haha cool. 
May 10 22:21:02 <GNUoo|n900> gnome bluetooth handle reconnect
May 10 22:21:58 <GNUoo|n900> maybe someone could add that to emtooth
May 10 22:21:59 <pespin> ok, remind me to look at it once I'm free from univ, about 10th june :)
May 10 22:22:26 <GNUoo|n900> ok
May 10 22:22:27 <pespin> I hope I'll add other features such as file transfer, etc.
May 10 22:23:27 <GNUoo|n900> ok
May 10 22:23:51 <GNUoo|n900> I care the most about reliability
May 10 22:24:10 <GNUoo|n900> but I'm not the only user...
May 10 22:26:25 <pespin> sure :) The thing is I actually learn/understand how bluetooth works / is expected to work while I program emtooth, so some easy things can take more than expected :P
May 10 22:26:48 <GNUoo|n900> ok
May 10 22:27:15 <pespin> bed time! gnight!
May 10 22:27:56 <zub> hm, building OE on ubuntu 11.04 is lots of fun :-/
May 10 22:28:04 <zub> scheisse
May 10 22:29:42 <angelox|laptop> why it's funny? :)
May 10 22:29:52 <angelox|laptop> haha
May 10 22:30:25 <angelox|laptop> i was building OE in Fedora 14 x64 with KDE4 :\ 
May 10 22:35:02 <zub> angelox|laptop: hit two separate issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/perl/+bug/739693 && http://www.mail-archive.com/openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org/msg17213.html
May 10 22:35:19 <zub> hopefully it compiles now
May 10 22:35:37 <angelox|laptop> hmm
May 10 22:36:04 <angelox|laptop> i didn't try OE with Ubuntu 11 because...
May 10 22:36:15 <angelox|laptop> my internet can't download it :D
May 10 22:36:34 <angelox|laptop> just kidding,i really like Fedora instead Ubuntu. but sometime i used ubuntu 10.04
May 10 22:38:23 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * ra0339dac7467 10/aurora/bin/aurora.in: aurora: ignore unknown command line arguments as qt will parse them later too
May 10 22:41:11 <zub> hooray, perl compiled
May 10 22:41:58 <angelox|laptop> great
May 10 22:42:29 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r60d4fc3b49bf 10/aurora/bin/aurora.in: aurora: fix last commit overwriting improvements in final binary
May 10 22:43:30 <angelox|laptop> hmm morphis and mickey can commit when sleeping ?
May 10 22:43:33 <angelox|laptop> hehe
May 10 23:26:56 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03sylvain.pare 07utilities * r1b155cd00741 10/palmpre/fso-installer/Makefile: 
May 10 23:26:56 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: fso-installer : normally fix the make install-all process
May 10 23:26:56 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org:  * normally fix the make install-all process to not fail mounting /dev/mapper/store-media (Device or resource busy)
May 10 23:26:56 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org:  * + some console output cometics
May 10 23:56:23 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r8e0d0bac9d15 10/aurora/ (5 files in 3 dirs): aurora: more work on CelularNetworkStatusAgent
May 11 00:09:41 <angelox|laptop> mickey|zzZZzz: Aurora haves a  logo? I'm making the Settings app and i'd like a logo of Aurora
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