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May 11 08:15:10 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r8d855e76a9b6 10/aurora/bin/aurora.in: aurora: scale down resolution to 320x480 as we only support the Palm Pre devices for now
May 11 08:17:26 <morphis> mickey|zzZZzz: aurora on the devices look already nice :)
May 11 08:42:42 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r92d18db8151f 10/aurora/components/ (59 files in 7 dirs): aurora: restructure the components directory
May 11 10:12:26 <morphis> mickey|office: heyho
May 11 10:12:32 <mickey|office> morsche
May 11 10:12:41 <morphis> mickey|office: FYI I updated the fso server some minutes ago
May 11 10:12:51 <morphis> installed recent debian updats
May 11 10:20:43 <morphis> mickey|office: and I think we should use bugzilla  as bugtracker as redmine will be too much work to port everything to it
May 11 10:25:52 <mickey|office> k
May 11 10:25:58 <mickey|office> anything that can
May 11 10:26:02 <mickey|office> 't easily be spammed
May 11 10:26:15 <mickey|office> we don'T have time for cleaning up spam in our tracker
May 11 10:26:21 <mickey|office> it eats previous development time
May 11 10:28:10 <morphis> ok
May 11 10:31:58 <mickey|office> i think the idea to use python in the first incarnation was pretty good. we now get experience about how to split QML and Code best and where/how the interaction points have to be implemented.
May 11 10:32:31 <mickey|office> we should get 0.1 and perhaps 0.2 out of the door, but then really come back to see that we can make the agents and the logic faster
May 11 10:38:56 <morphis> mickey|office: yeah, using python for now was a very good decision and yes we should come back to vala / C++ 
May 11 10:39:20 <morphis> currently aurora is using 15% of the Pre's memory (ca. 40 MB)
May 11 10:39:55 <mickey|office> that pretty much kills the possibility to run it on openezx devices
May 11 10:39:57 <mickey|office> which i want eventually
May 11 10:40:08 <mickey|office> (48MB total)
May 11 10:40:09 <morphis> for now
May 11 10:40:13 <mickey|office> i repeat .... fourtyeight :D
May 11 10:40:20 <morphis> maybe it's less when we come back to vala
May 11 10:40:24 <mickey|office> for sure
May 11 10:40:25 <morphis> :)
May 11 10:40:32 <mickey|office> the py interpreter alone takes 10-15
May 11 10:40:42 <mickey|office> the js interpreter will take some as well
May 11 10:40:46 <mickey|office> but we can't get rid of that :)
May 11 10:40:46 <morphis> so the rest is mostly for qml
May 11 10:41:01 <mickey|office> anyways... first make it work, then make it fast
May 11 10:44:07 <morphis> maybe we can even rip out some features from qml
May 11 10:48:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, wordwarvi now works fine, I'll push, btw maybe you're interested in doing a port to the freerunner using gamerunner's input system?
May 11 10:49:06 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: what's that? do you have a link?
May 11 10:50:37 * JaMa found only flash and board game called world war iv
May 11 10:50:53 <JaMa> ah found now
May 11 10:51:00 <JaMa> it's vi not iv :)
May 11 10:55:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, http://wordwarvi.sourceforge.net/
May 11 10:55:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes like the editor
May 11 11:05:22 <morphis> mickey|office: hm, we have to update first you debian installation
May 11 11:21:26 <morphis> mickey|office: or we use lenny's version of bugzilla but it's 3.6.x and not the latest 4.x 
May 11 11:29:39 <mickey|office> perhaps this is an incentive to setup the stuff on amethyst instead
May 11 11:29:55 <morphis> hm
May 11 11:30:41 <morphis> ok, that means we will have to move with all stuff over to the amethyst
May 11 11:30:59 <morphis> but first configure the amethyst to be able to run virtual machines
May 11 11:31:09 <morphis> sounds like a lot of work
May 11 11:33:14 <morphis> mickey|office: or we run it first on the plain amethyst without any virtualization
May 11 11:33:47 <morphis> amethyst is even running debian lenny
May 11 11:36:50 <morphis> mickey|office: can you activate your jabber account?
May 11 12:20:49 <pespin> JaMa,  * opkg_download_pkg: Package e-wm is not available from any configured src.
May 11 12:20:50 <pespin>  * opkg_install_pkg: Failed to download e-wm. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'?
May 11 12:20:50 <pespin>  * check_conflicts_for: The following packages conflict with e-wm-sysactions-shr:
May 11 12:20:50 <pespin>  * check_conflicts_for: 	e-wm-sysactions * 
May 11 12:21:03 <pespin> I should remove e-wm-sysactions?
May 11 12:21:57 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, I don 't know gamerunners, but I can take a look on it on summer :)
May 11 12:22:20 <JaMa> pespin: yes
May 11 12:22:36 <JaMa> pespin: how did you get it installed in first place?
May 11 12:24:10 <pespin> JaMa, I think I gtot that error first once I installed a package from Heinverdm to give him info about E bugs
May 11 12:24:26 <pespin> but afair I reinstalled usual e-wm after trying it (as it segfaulted)
May 11 12:27:23 <pespin> lol, I found a segfault bug in opkg? xD
May 11 12:27:51 <pespin> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/386854/
May 11 12:27:51 <JaMa> pespin: ok.. dont know how he built it, but e-wm in shr-u feeds has it right Recommends: e-wm-config-default, e-wm-images, e-wm-icons, e-wm-other, e-wm-input-methods, e-wm-sysactions-shr
May 11 12:28:10 <JaMa> and e-wm-sysactions shouldn't be installed on shr-u image
May 11 12:30:20 <pespin> argh I'm getting to an inconsistent package db
May 11 12:31:08 <JaMa> pespin: -force-depends is much better in this case then --force-removal-of-dependent-packages
May 11 12:38:30 <pespin> JaMa, something's wrong with my feeds: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/386862/
May 11 12:38:31 <pespin> any idea?
May 11 12:40:12 <pespin> if not, I'll flash new shr-u to clean everything a bit hehe
May 11 12:40:59 <JaMa> well don't know what could go wrong after that segfault in previous command..
May 11 12:41:34 <JaMa> it could be cleaned manually if you remove references for those failing packages from /usr/lib/opkg/status
May 11 12:41:54 <JaMa> but don't know if it's worth it as you're ok with reflashing
May 11 12:42:08 <pespin> reglash time! yow yow yow
May 11 12:42:18 <pespin> reflash ;)
May 11 14:05:43 <pespin> JaMa, in new image: Configuring matchbox-keyboard-im.
May 11 14:05:43 <pespin> gtk-query-immodules-2.0: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0: cannot read file data: Error 21
May 11 14:05:43 <pespin> Configuring gtk-immodule-xim.
May 11 14:05:43 <pespin> gtk-query-immodules-2.0: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0: cannot read file data: Error 21
May 11 14:05:55 <pespin> when opkg updateing and upgrading
May 11 14:06:17 <pespin> I don't know if it's due to wrong download though, as I downloaded the nosummary one ;)
May 11 14:08:03 <pespin> lol it seems something more is wrong:
May 11 14:08:03 <pespin> # /etc/init.d/networking restart
May 11 14:08:04 <pespin> Reconfiguring network interfaces... /bin/sh: route: Permission denied
May 11 14:08:04 <pespin> /bin/sh: route: Permission denied
May 11 14:08:04 <pespin> done.
May 11 14:12:27 <pespin> I can't find "route" in the image :S
May 11 14:13:57 <JaMa> pespin: lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            14 May 10 08:06 /sbin/route -> ../bin/busybox
May 11 14:14:14 <pespin> nothing there
May 11 14:14:38 <JaMa> and http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20110510-om-gta02-testlab/files-in-image.txt shows it too
May 11 14:14:47 <pespin> I'll download image with summary and check it's ok before flashing
May 11 14:14:54 <gencat> pespin:  its only a ln -s away
May 11 14:15:09 <pespin> yeah, but there seems to be other problems to
May 11 14:15:11 <pespin> *too
May 11 14:15:21 <pespin> like libatk (see above)
May 11 14:15:40 <JaMa> but handled by u-a so if the image is broken just after reflash, then better to reflash :)
May 11 14:16:24 <JaMa> libatk also fine in ubi image I've flashed
May 11 14:16:25 <JaMa> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          22 Apr 20 23:19 /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 -> libatk-1.0.so.0.3009.1
May 11 14:16:28 <JaMa> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       85.3K Apr 15 17:47 /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0.3009.1
May 11 14:16:37 <pespin> reflaash reflash reflash, I love reflashing!
May 11 14:17:25 <JaMa> dfu-util is strange sometimes it breaks images if used for flashing
May 11 14:17:39 <pespin> hmm wait. what's difference between with summary and the one with nosummary?
May 11 14:17:58 <JaMa> I never had problem with images written with nandwrite, but other people reports ubi/jffs images broken from dfu-util..
May 11 14:18:53 <JaMa> http://www.embedded-linux.co.uk/tutorial/jffs2-summary
May 11 14:19:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, a nand scrub permited me to flash an ubifs and mount it on om-gta02
May 11 14:20:19 <pespin> hmm md5 shows correct:
May 11 14:20:19 <pespin> $ md5sum -c shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20110510-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.nosummary.md5 
May 11 14:20:20 <pespin> shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20110510-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.nosummary: CORRECTE
May 11 14:20:46 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: yes I remember that
May 11 14:21:43 <pespin> then I suppouse it's dfu-util fault?
May 11 14:22:38 <pespin> thanks for the link btw :)
May 11 14:44:41 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rcc98589d473b 10/aurora/components/ (4 files in 2 dirs): aurora: implement initial version of the lock screen
May 11 14:44:55 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r03f8c2bc12fb 10/aurora/ (14 files in 4 dirs): aurora: rework most parts of the application management
May 11 14:48:33 <morphis> mickey|office: you deactived the new-account-functionality in the FSO wiki due to the spam problem?
May 11 14:52:49 <mickey|office> new accounts are possible, but new tickets aren't
May 11 14:52:54 <mickey|office> yes, due to the spam problem
May 11 14:53:07 <morphis> hm antgelox tried yesterday
May 11 14:53:11 <mickey|office> i couldn't stand removing 10 - 20 spam tickets per day
May 11 14:53:16 <morphis> but can't create a new account in the wiki
May 11 14:53:34 <mickey|office> yes, i think i also disabled new accounts for the wiki
May 11 14:53:35 <mickey|office> same problem
May 11 14:53:40 <morphis> ok
May 11 14:53:45 <morphis> so what should we do?
May 11 14:53:51 <mickey|office> either shut everything down
May 11 14:53:53 <morphis> move now over to the amethyst and do everything new?
May 11 14:54:03 <mickey|office> or try to open something that's more secure
May 11 14:54:11 <mickey|office> yes, that's probably the best approach
May 11 14:54:24 <morphis> amethyst is running debian lenny too
May 11 14:54:28 <mickey|office> since the bugtracker contains a lot of noise and stuff only relevant for fso1
May 11 14:54:42 <mickey|office> i wouldn't bother with virtualization
May 11 14:55:03 <mickey|office> feel free to update it, but take into account that it might be a problem if it doesn't reboot
May 11 14:55:20 <mickey|office> i have no idea whether this particular computing centre offers a rescue console
May 11 14:57:55 <morphis> thats a problem
May 11 15:00:33 <morphis> mickey|office: so when I update the server and it doesn't reboot what do we then?
May 11 15:00:46 <mickey|office> cry :)
May 11 15:02:41 <JaMa> :)
May 11 15:31:27 <morphis> mickey|office: I reworked the general layout of the applications in aurora
May 11 15:31:36 <morphis> each application has now a page stack
May 11 15:35:48 <mickey|office> ok
May 11 16:05:28 <angelox_123> mickey|office: I don't know if morphis said to you,but i'm doing the Settings app,i have done a small start,how should i procced to you commit it? or i should finish all app first?
May 11 16:21:35 <mickey|office> angelox_123: lets see what you have. send me your ssh key and i'll get you access to the aurora repository
May 11 16:23:14 <angelox_123> mickey|office: Ok,thanks,i'll send
May 11 16:30:13 <angelox_123> mickey|office: I should send you my id_rsa or my id_rsa.pub,since i generated with ssh-keygen -t rsa
May 11 16:37:13 <NuttyBunny> mickey|zzZZzz, Hi, didn't my patch make the cut? :(
May 11 17:13:50 <morphis|sport> angelox_123: only send the id_rsa.pub!
May 11 17:14:03 <morphis|sport> angelox_123: id_rsa is your private key you never send to anyone!!!
May 11 17:15:37 <angelox_123> i didn't know,thanks morphis :)
May 11 17:15:48 <morphis|sport> angelox_123: no problem
May 11 17:15:57 <morphis|sport> angelox_123: but please send a patch first before you commit
May 11 17:16:05 <morphis|sport> when it's fine you can commit it
May 11 17:16:28 <angelox_123> hmm ok,thanks again
May 11 17:16:40 <angelox_123> i only need to know where i should send the id_rsa.pub
May 11 17:26:11 <DocScrutinizer> to mickey|zzZZzz 
May 11 17:27:18 <DocScrutinizer> angelox_123: you *could* even send via /query mickey|zzZZzz and c&p, but probably better send to mickey's mail addr
May 11 17:34:08 <morphis|sport> angelox_123: you can send me the key too
May 11 17:34:18 <angelox_123> via mail?
May 11 17:34:21 <morphis|sport> yes
May 11 17:34:42 <angelox_123> i think i know your email
May 11 17:34:55 <angelox_123> morphis (at) gravedo.de isn't? 
May 11 17:35:10 <morphis|sport> it is
May 11 17:36:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> nand scrub is needed before each reflash it seems
May 11 17:36:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> (ubifs + om-gta02)
May 11 17:37:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've the serial console, could it be usefull to debug that problem?
May 11 17:38:16 <angelox_123> morphis|sport: sent
May 11 17:38:24 <morphis|sport> angelox_123: ok
May 11 17:38:40 <morphis|sport> will do it in some minutes
May 11 17:39:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox_123, is there a recipe for aurora?
May 11 17:40:28 <angelox_123> for OE atm iirc no...but willn't be hard to do one
May 11 17:40:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 11 17:41:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> how did you install it?
May 11 17:41:50 <angelox_123> i installed on pc,hadn't tested on phone yet
May 11 17:41:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 11 17:42:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> python distutils?
May 11 17:42:42 <angelox_123> used pyside py/qt and python only :)
May 11 17:42:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 11 18:05:17 <playya__> yay. just bought a n900
May 11 18:05:22 <playya__> bbl
May 11 18:07:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 11 18:10:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, any news?
May 11 18:18:55 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: just took off may daywork hat and put on the FOSS one :)
May 11 18:18:58 <mrmoku> so no real news yet
May 11 18:19:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 11 18:19:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> np
May 11 18:19:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> I can wait
May 11 18:25:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> btw we should harden a bit the alsa part
May 11 18:25:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> I mean the rules like gsmhandset stereoout
May 11 18:27:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> one day I tried to record the audio from the om-gta02
May 11 18:27:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> I used alsamixer
May 11 18:27:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> and that broke telephony
May 11 18:29:23 <angelox_123> broke the telephony with alsamixer ???
May 11 18:29:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes but I played with it while calling
May 11 18:33:21 <angelox_123> so ok..
May 11 18:48:22 <angelox_123> mickey|zzZZzz: made a patch for the settings apps,this patch adds some buttons on settings apps..where should i send the .patch file?
May 11 18:53:47 <CIA-10> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * ra76ae01959c9 10/ (582 files in 63 dirs): system upgrade
May 11 19:07:54 <angelox|laptop> i'll brb
May 11 19:20:16 <angelox_123> mickey|zzZZzz: ping
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