**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 17 02:59:58 2011 May 17 05:44:11 playya__: what glib version do you compile that against? May 17 05:44:14 might be just to old May 17 05:46:03 playya__: you need a quite current dev snapshot of glib which has gdbus-codegen included May 17 05:46:35 playya__: or build an older rev of libshr-glib May 17 05:58:49 mrmoku, 2.28 May 17 05:59:55 if i try to compile git version, it can't find dbus/dbus.h May 17 06:00:14 later. @work May 17 06:00:15 bye May 17 06:00:59 btw. the tool is available, but /usr/lib/gdbus_codegen is missing May 17 08:21:34 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r1e8ee4f89ea0 10/palmpre/fso-installer/Makefile: fso-installer: unmount mounted partitions after kernel was flashed to the device May 17 09:45:10 ~seen morphis May 17 09:45:18 morphis <~morphis@dslb-088-071-250-059.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 12h 31m 11s ago, saying: 'gn8'. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:44:26 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:44:26 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:45:25 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:45:53 2011 May 17 11:01:36 mrmoku, JaMa I've made a new defconfig May 17 11:01:39 for n900 May 17 11:01:45 it's 1.7M May 17 11:01:51 (the zImage) May 17 11:02:04 and it boots May 17 11:02:20 (altough some modules may not be automatically installed like sound) May 17 11:29:14 heyho May 17 11:29:55 GNUtoo: is pushing data from mic to cmt going to be more complex, i.e. buffering data in another thread and then pushing to cmt or do you think you just read from alsa at the same time you download from cmt (i.e. symmetrically)? May 17 11:30:23 bbiab, lunch May 17 11:30:25 hi mor May 17 11:30:26 phis May 17 11:30:30 no idea May 17 11:30:33 I must try May 17 11:40:12 GNUtoo: seen that May 17 11:41:58 no it's a newer one May 17 11:42:04 newer than what's in oe May 17 11:42:12 an I didn't sleep today May 17 11:42:19 so I'm very very nervous May 17 11:42:33 I already did some rage-against the machine today May 17 11:42:40 because sound was not working May 17 11:42:48 because I changed the defconfig May 17 11:43:00 (I didn't load the correct modules in the correct order) May 17 11:43:04 what should I do? May 17 11:43:19 put my diff on my server May 17 11:43:44 so someone could continue May 17 11:43:49 1.7M is pretty good May 17 11:44:12 because when we're close to 2M May 17 11:44:17 it's not reliable May 17 11:44:28 I means sometimes you can flash the zImage May 17 11:44:33 sometimes you can't May 17 11:44:39 depending on various settings May 17 11:44:42 like the compiler May 17 11:44:46 or similar stuff May 17 11:47:52 http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/downloads/nokia900/defconfig-diff May 17 11:50:52 GNUtoo: why not add those snd modules to module_autoload_? May 17 11:57:48 http://imgur.com/gallery/lHPEn reminds me somewhat at my time in TPE May 17 12:11:42 morphis: there's a call for papers @ froscon. i feel that we might have to present something, pondering whether to submit something May 17 12:12:04 mickey|office: when is froscon? May 17 12:12:04 DocScrutinizer: hehe *nod* May 17 12:12:07 morphis: august May 17 12:12:27 in Bonn, ok May 17 12:12:27 20th/21st May 17 12:12:58 <[Rui]> hi all May 17 12:13:01 ok, in general I would say yes May 17 12:13:11 hi [Rui] May 17 12:13:14 <[Rui]> mickeyl: is she out yet, ? :) May 17 12:13:22 but I have to speak first to my girl friend if there were not anything else :) May 17 12:13:24 * [Rui] is itchy as hell May 17 12:13:53 [Rui]: no, she makes us wait :) May 17 12:13:57 morphis: ok May 17 12:14:13 mickey|office: about what would we talk? FSO in general? May 17 12:14:33 <[Rui]> mickeyl: tic tac tic tac tic tac ;) May 17 12:14:42 morphis: no, i think rather the state of the ports, and what we're doing with aurora May 17 12:14:48 ok May 17 12:14:55 fso in general should only be covered briefly May 17 12:14:58 mickey|office: you are available this evening? May 17 12:15:08 after 21 or so, yes May 17 12:15:25 [Rui]: :) May 17 12:16:14 i've been to froscon for a number of times now May 17 12:16:22 it's small, but very intense May 17 12:16:26 excellent catering ;) May 17 12:19:04 I am very interested as I will be the first time I am attending such a conference May 17 12:20:00 excellent. May 17 12:43:06 DocScrutinizer: :) May 17 12:49:37 mickey|office: 23.05 as deadline is next week May 17 12:49:45 mickey|office: so we have to decide very fast May 17 12:50:34 yes May 17 12:51:20 morphis: presenting ACI? ;-) May 17 13:12:55 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * re64dfc3a654a 10/aurora/aurora/extensions/agents.py: aurora: request gsm resource before using the service May 17 13:39:04 JaMa, ah? May 17 13:39:27 JaMa, is there already some modules autoloaded? May 17 13:50:47 JaMa, I must first find the autoload order? May 17 13:52:17 mickey|office: I think I found a very easy way to generate the vala-qt-binding May 17 13:52:25 "easy" May 17 14:00:56 GNUtoo: yes there are few modules already and order should be right if depmod finds dependencies rigth May 17 14:01:27 and if the deps are not in the module? May 17 14:01:52 also May 17 14:02:02 I've to reinstall the rootfs? May 17 14:02:10 to make it take that into account May 17 14:22:45 wtf? http://bellard.org/jslinux/ May 17 14:25:09 JaMa, it doesn't work, when what task should I bump ? May 17 14:25:22 * I've no additional modules installed May 17 14:25:32 * I've no autoloaded modules added May 17 14:26:25 I've the same stuff than with last image May 17 14:28:34 I don't find module_autoload May 17 14:28:38 how to fix it? May 17 14:29:03 I'll read task base May 17 14:29:11 but the nervousness is slowly growing May 17 14:30:39 is there someone there? May 17 14:30:46 morphis, it requires firefox 4 May 17 14:30:54 GNUtoo: yes May 17 14:32:01 JaMa, ping May 17 14:32:18 * GNUtoo tries to calm down a bit May 17 14:32:44 maybe I should abandon the new kernel defconfig May 17 14:32:52 but it was a good defconfig for mickeyl May 17 14:33:37 sigh May 17 14:35:59 maybe I'll rebuild the kernel May 17 14:57:56 STILL NOTHING!!!!!!! May 17 14:58:22 ah wait a bit May 17 14:58:30 ./etc/modutils/g_nokia May 17 14:58:36 ./etc/modutils/musb_hdrc May 17 14:58:38 but no alsa May 17 14:58:41 strange strange May 17 15:00:14 I'll try something May 17 15:00:19 replace the - by _ May 17 15:01:07 Hi guys to adresse this issue "...relocation R_ARM_MOVW_ABS_NC against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC" I just add this in the recipe right ? CFLAGS_append = " -fPIC" May 17 15:09:55 GarthPS, I think so, I had similar -fPIC issues with some buglabs jni and it solved it May 17 15:10:05 tough I had to find how to pass -fPIC to the compiler May 17 15:10:25 GNUtoo: autoload is part of kernel-module-sth logic May 17 15:10:33 GNUtoo: so kernel PR bump is enough May 17 15:10:43 for RRECOMMENDED modules it's part of task-base iirc May 17 15:11:03 ok thanks a lot May 17 15:11:11 GNUtoo: yeah I saw that so that why I ask here. to know(at least to be sure) how to pass it May 17 15:11:24 GNUtoo: ie http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=54ab33ecea4d870a119ddb0aabbbd2b57c98b253 May 17 15:11:27 GarthPS, how to pass it depend on the recipe May 17 15:11:34 GNUtoo: and yes, be carefull with _ and - May 17 15:11:51 GarthPS, that is to say if the software use Makefiles, autotools etc... May 17 15:12:16 GNUtoo: and yes, be carefull with _ and - May 17 15:12:21 GNUtoo: and sorry I was away.. 4rd meeting today :/ May 17 15:12:30 be carefull of what? May 17 15:12:37 np the problem is that I didn't sleep May 17 15:12:48 so I get nervous very easily when I don't sleep May 17 15:13:09 that there are _ in "module_autoload_" and - everywhere else May 17 15:13:14 what is valid and what isn't valid with reguard to _ - May 17 15:13:16 ok May 17 15:13:18 I did few typos in this already May 17 15:13:26 then there are stuff wrong in nokia900.conf May 17 15:13:44 ah? May 17 15:13:47 let me look May 17 15:13:56 module_autoload_snd_soc_tlv320aic3x = "snd_soc_tlv320aic3x" May 17 15:13:59 is that right? May 17 15:13:59 GNUtoo: hmm ok it is vlc failling to link against libliveMedia.a form live555 http://pastebin.com/82NKZNMD May 17 15:14:30 probably not because it doesn't match module_autoload_MODULE-NAME May 17 15:15:00 _ in right side are maybe ok as modprobe doesn't care if you type g_ether or g-ether iirc May 17 15:15:13 but rmmod does iirc May 17 15:15:14 GarthPS, if that's the recipe you're talking to me about the make won't take into account the CFLAGS_append May 17 15:15:38 ok May 17 15:15:42 so I should do: May 17 15:15:57 module_autoload_snd-soc-tlv320aic3x = "snd-soc-tlv320aic3x" May 17 15:15:59 hmm looks like _ also does work /etc/modutils/g_ether May 17 15:16:06 indeed May 17 15:16:11 and I'll change to g_nokia May 17 15:16:14 maybe it was changed since last time I had issues with it May 17 15:17:37 it works better now May 17 15:17:41 (g_nokia) May 17 15:17:46 what were your issues? May 17 15:18:41 sorry don't remember May 17 15:18:55 iirc I wasn't able to get link with desktop at all with .35 May 17 15:19:04 and with g_ether it worked fine May 17 15:19:17 but I'm using only wifi now and usb only for charging May 17 15:21:30 bitbake -c clean linux-nokia900-meego task-base ;bitbake shr-image May 17 15:21:42 that's what I'll do not to increase PR May 17 15:21:47 else it becomes to get messy May 17 15:22:01 GarthPS, try looking at the resulting vlc Makefile May 17 15:22:18 GarthPS, and look how to pass -fPIC to it May 17 15:22:26 but please bump it while pushing to oe May 17 15:22:34 it's already bumped May 17 15:22:41 GNUtoo: I think it is live555 to be compiled with fpic May 17 15:22:47 it's just that I want to bump only once May 17 15:22:49 not 10 times May 17 15:22:50 http://pastebin.com/3MZW2zz6 May 17 15:23:16 GNUtoo: sorry I haven't seen your patch.. May 17 15:23:23 GarthPS, pastebin your error May 17 15:23:43 JaMa, np, If you want to see it I can pastebin it May 17 15:23:56 JaMa, it's just how I work, I bump PR only once May 17 15:23:59 and then rebuild May 17 15:24:06 GNUtoo: http://pastebin.com/Uvt0GeWK May 17 15:24:47 well I rebuild and bump just before pushing to oe :) May 17 15:24:58 GarthPS, I need more context May 17 15:25:25 GNUtoo: but it also forces you to opkg install -force-reinstall on target May 17 15:25:29 I usually keep old version in tree so I can copy the error message in the commit May 17 15:26:17 GNUtoo: http://pastebin.com/Cvd6pnuj May 17 15:34:27 sorry, poor wifi range May 17 15:40:25 :) May 17 16:09:29 GNUtoo: do you take a look ? May 17 16:09:35 s/do/did May 17 16:10:05 JaMa: is it possible for you to launch a build of vlc on your buildhost for the pre2 please ? May 17 16:10:52 perhaps it build normally.. May 17 16:11:08 GarthPS, maybe I missed it since I was disconnected May 17 16:11:44 GNUtoo: oh sorry. so here is my full log http://pastebin.com/Cvd6pnuj May 17 16:15:51 try passing fpic to live555 May 17 16:19:39 GNUtoo: yea it is what I understood but I am still trying to do so May 17 16:20:05 pastebin the Makefile May 17 16:20:08 of live555 May 17 16:26:55 GarthPS: SHR buildhost or my? :) May 17 16:27:23 JaMa: as you want! perhaps the more conventionnal if there is a dif May 17 16:27:38 GarthPS, pastebin the Makefile and I'll tell you what to do May 17 16:27:56 GarthPS: SHR buildhost is slow and busy, on mine I don't have palmpre2 builddir but it won't need much stuff different than what I have for n900 (same arch) May 17 16:28:26 GNUtoo: I am trying to grab it ( -cl configure shoould be good right ?) May 17 16:28:32 GarthPS: but if you're using shr-chroot there is minimal chance that it will build different for me and you May 17 16:28:42 GarthPS, go in workdir and look May 17 16:28:56 ah right rm_work May 17 16:28:56 JaMa: I am using the shr(s makefile May 17 16:29:31 GarthPS: without shr-chroot, right? May 17 16:30:39 JaMa: right May 17 16:30:42 GNUtoo: http://pastebin.com/Pp1hjKR6 May 17 16:31:54 hmmm May 17 16:31:57 no LDFLAGS May 17 16:32:04 but there is LINK_OPTS May 17 16:32:16 so try that: May 17 16:32:34 make LINK_OPTS="-fPIC" May 17 16:32:42 in the live555 recipe May 17 16:32:56 (in do_compile) May 17 16:34:43 GarthPS: weird it builds kernel too May 17 16:35:04 GarthPS: NOTE: Running task 4271 of 4877 May 17 16:35:20 JaMa: lol -for the kernel)... weird yeah May 17 16:36:15 btw shr-installer still builds and launch(not sure if it does something usefull after that) May 17 16:36:17 * GarthPS hope tha it will fail for jama too.. May 17 16:36:21 what would be the best? May 17 16:36:25 fix shr-installer? May 17 16:36:31 that is not written in edje May 17 16:36:44 or write something in vala? May 17 16:42:53 ok. I have added "-fPIC" to the live555 makefile but still the same error.. May 17 16:43:44 PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 May 17 16:43:47 GRRRR May 17 16:45:14 * GarthPS wainting to know if JaMa has the same error...http://pastebin.com/Uvt0GeWK May 17 16:46:13 GarthPS, did you try to recompile live555 with -fPIC May 17 16:46:14 ? May 17 16:46:25 GNUtoo: yeap May 17 16:46:36 ok. I have added "-fPIC" to the live555 makefile but still the same error.. May 17 16:47:19 ah? May 17 16:47:31 so you compiled and staged live555? May 17 16:48:53 sigh why do we have udev on the n900? May 17 16:51:06 GNUtoo: hmm yes May 17 16:55:53 maybe it's better for my health If I give up May 17 16:55:59 no console May 17 16:56:01 no ssh May 17 16:56:09 no wifi(no firmware) May 17 16:56:13 no usbnet May 17 16:56:50 no emmc May 17 16:58:20 the only way to get a shell is trough the login shell May 17 16:58:27 that is to say no Xorg May 17 16:58:30 but.... May 17 16:58:38 I've no clue what to do with that shell May 17 16:58:42 GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR May 17 16:59:34 maybe we should go kexecboot May 17 16:59:48 my kenrel with a bit of tweaking could be enough for kexecboot May 17 16:59:54 if and only if it works May 17 16:59:59 I mean the kexec syscall May 17 17:00:24 that would allow us to load the large meego defconfig kernel May 17 17:00:42 GarthPS: yes looks like same error May 17 17:00:47 JaMa, what should I do? May 17 17:01:20 GNUtoo: PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 looks like missing /dev/pts mount May 17 17:01:44 ok May 17 17:01:50 I'll look May 17 17:02:06 JaMa, why did udev came back on n900? May 17 17:02:23 GNUtoo: and udev has some tweaks for cmt on n900 iirc by mrmoku May 17 17:02:34 * JaMa noticed because it's missing in udev_168 in shr-core May 17 17:02:48 sigh we should agree on something once for good May 17 17:02:50 once we decide udev May 17 17:02:55 then we decide devtmpfs May 17 17:03:02 then udev again May 17 17:03:02 then devtmpfs again May 17 17:03:03 etc.... May 17 17:04:20 sorry gtg May 17 17:56:02 yo May 17 17:58:40 yo May 17 17:59:04 JaMa: soo this build .? May 17 17:59:20 mrmoku: you probably remember why we need u-boot on n900 for cmt rules May 17 17:59:27 GarthPS: 18:57:50 < JaMa> GarthPS: yes looks like same error May 17 18:00:01 GarthPS: and it looks still the same as when I was leaving work :) May 17 18:00:33 JaMa: u-boot for cmt rules? May 17 18:00:34 hmm May 17 18:00:44 there was the thing with the atags May 17 18:00:52 dunno if that is cmt related too May 17 18:01:32 mrmoku, I'll pm you in a bit May 17 18:01:37 GNUtoo: right, we should decide... we switched back to udev because we had too May 17 18:01:48 too many things did not work without yet May 17 18:01:58 lacks some support in fsodeviced May 17 18:02:04 GNUtoo: ok May 17 18:16:20 mrmoku: sorry I meant udev and cmt rules May 17 18:16:31 ahh, yeah May 17 18:16:36 * JaMa confused from stupid project@work May 17 18:16:41 :) May 17 18:16:51 good that it has also stupidly close deadline May 17 18:17:07 so after 2 months without sleep it will be finally over May 17 18:17:11 :;P May 17 18:18:40 JaMa: actually it was more the persistant mac hack May 17 18:18:50 there is a rule for cmt too... but it does just May 17 18:18:51 mrmoku, JaMa about udev there is an article on SHR about it May 17 18:18:53 KERNEL=="cmt_speech", MODE="0777" May 17 18:19:13 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/ImageDevManager May 17 18:19:54 we have some problems without udev that we should start to attack May 17 18:20:01 as I think the way to go is without it May 17 18:20:13 one problem we have since long even on gta02 May 17 18:20:15 bluez May 17 18:20:42 mrmoku: agreed, last version does not even ship init.d scripts anymore May 17 18:21:18 SUBSYSTEM=="input" ATTRS{name}=="TWL4030 Keypad" SYMLINK+="input/keypad" May 17 18:21:21 SUBSYSTEM=="input" ATTRS{name}=="gpio-keys" SYMLINK+="input/gpio-keys" May 17 18:21:23 is another thing we have in udev May 17 18:21:28 brb May 17 18:21:54 and another thing I should add to shr-core .bbappend because after udev upgrade 165->168 we've lost it there May 17 18:25:40 I will miss udev May 17 18:26:45 it's a pretty mandatory component of a contemporary linux May 17 18:29:49 * JaMa doesn't miss it on gta02 but still uses it on spitz May 17 18:30:04 and desktops :) May 17 18:38:44 morphis: what's your take on udev? :) May 17 18:38:59 mrmoku: one moment May 17 18:39:04 yup, np May 17 18:39:28 personally my take on udev is that we choose something once for good May 17 18:39:32 hmm... got to reboot my server anyway May 17 18:39:35 and mickeyl is against udev May 17 18:39:35 bbiab May 17 18:46:42 GNUtoo, I started spreading it May 17 18:46:43 so awesome May 17 18:47:06 ah wordwarvi May 17 18:47:10 yeah May 17 18:47:16 nice May 17 18:56:14 JaMa: hop sorry did not see .. ok so I am not alone May 17 18:56:28 ok back May 17 18:57:57 because RDEPENDS on "virtual" wont work properly if you don't replace it with something like DISTRO_JAVA_RUNTIME or VIRTUAL-RUNTIME_java-runtime (in oe-core) May 17 18:58:04 wrong chan.. May 17 19:16:54 JaMa: do you have an idea of how to fix IT i.e passing -fpic to live555 ? May 17 19:17:00 recipe May 17 19:20:56 don't know haven't really looked into it May 17 19:21:30 mrmoku: so May 17 19:21:30 libliveMedia.a: relocation R_ARM_MOVW_ABS_NC against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC May 17 19:21:46 mrmoku: whats up with udev? May 17 19:25:09 morphis: do you want to get rid of it? or do you want to keep it? May 17 19:25:36 mrmoku: I want to get rid of it, it's really unneeded for mobile devices May 17 19:25:45 thats why I ported devtmpfs to the palmpre May 17 19:26:03 ok, do you have palmpre working without it already? May 17 19:26:56 I had but I disabled it cause I ran into some other bugs which let me thing my devtmpfs port was the cause May 17 19:27:02 but it wasn't May 17 19:27:09 since that time it's not used May 17 19:27:22 ok May 17 19:29:33 why you're asking? May 17 19:33:19 good question :P May 17 19:33:38 :) May 17 19:33:43 because GNUtoo was trying to mod the config for our n900 kernel and had some problems May 17 19:33:51 which in the end might be udev related (or not) May 17 19:33:59 mrmoku: mickeyl nd I even thought about fso-boot a long time ago and devtmpfs was a central idea for it May 17 19:34:03 so we should decide where to go May 17 19:34:06 ah ok May 17 19:34:22 because for n900 we had udev... switched to devtmpfs... and switched back May 17 19:34:32 because there was some stuff lacking May 17 19:34:37 and we wanted to procede May 17 19:35:54 morphis: one problem common on all devices is the missing start of bluetoothd when a bluetooth device appears May 17 19:36:10 somebody should write a fsodeviced plugin for that probably May 17 19:36:25 on n900 we have the wandering wifi mac problem May 17 19:36:32 which we now solve via udev and some script May 17 19:37:01 ok May 17 19:37:25 yes someone should do it but all people which are able to do that are busy with a lot of other things May 17 19:37:33 btw. you got the alsa-plugin working? May 17 19:37:41 no not yet May 17 19:37:49 was mainly on a client site the whole day May 17 19:37:59 ok May 17 19:38:01 but will start to look into it soon May 17 19:38:14 maybe it's the environment the alsa plugin runs in May 17 19:38:32 maybe May 17 19:39:15 we should ask mickeyl about his opinion May 17 19:39:39 mickeyl: ping :) May 17 19:39:43 pong May 17 19:39:46 :) May 17 19:39:52 fastest mickeyl pong ever :D May 17 19:39:56 :D May 17 19:40:01 just returned from auswärts dinner May 17 19:40:02 mickeyl: we need to talk about aurora May 17 19:40:12 ok, i have 10 minutes :) May 17 19:40:18 only 10 minutes? May 17 19:40:24 maybe you have more time tomorrow? May 17 19:40:40 hopefully i can snatch some time in between office hours May 17 19:40:44 ok May 17 19:40:50 we just need to discuss things May 17 19:40:51 stupid day work May 17 19:40:53 yep May 17 19:41:04 about how we process now with aurora May 17 19:41:22 * we need to finish the agents even with usage integration May 17 19:41:35 * design the call pages May 17 19:41:41 * put everything together May 17 19:41:48 * test, test, test, test ... May 17 19:42:29 mickeyl: and about the server migration I think we should do it in the autumn May 17 19:42:43 mickeyl: then I personally have more time for it May 17 19:43:07 ok May 17 19:43:07 morphis: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/390796/ May 17 19:43:12 that is what I tried last May 17 19:43:24 and that gave me quite a lot of interesting errors on runtime May 17 19:43:29 like g_type_init missing May 17 19:43:35 maybe that gives a hint? May 17 19:43:42 mrmoku:which kind of error? May 17 19:43:49 moment have to reproduce May 17 19:43:53 oh yeah thats really needed May 17 19:43:56 yes, you're probably missing all the g init stuff May 17 19:44:04 take a quick look at what a normal binary is doing May 17 19:44:06 mickeyl: until then I think we should install bugzilla3 on the old-fso server May 17 19:44:10 e.g. what vala inserts at the beginning May 17 19:44:35 well... that is vala May 17 19:44:49 ahh May 17 19:44:50 mickeyl: you ever tried trac spam filter plugins? May 17 19:44:52 now Ic May 17 19:44:57 :) May 17 19:45:04 what vala adds when you build an executable May 17 19:45:05 noone inits G if you don't have a main() May 17 19:45:11 yeah May 17 19:45:13 int main (int argc, char ** argv) { May 17 19:45:13 g_type_init (); May 17 19:45:13 return _vala_main (argv, argc); May 17 19:45:13 } May 17 19:45:19 that's quite logical May 17 19:45:26 hmm May 17 19:45:28 morphis: no experience, no May 17 19:45:41 * morphis thoughs why he missed this .... May 17 19:45:49 :) May 17 19:45:52 mickeyl: maybe we should live with some solution like this May 17 19:45:55 for now May 17 19:46:08 yes, by now we have about 100 spam accounts again May 17 19:46:13 and i can't find any more motivation to remove them May 17 19:46:20 either we fix that quickly or i'll shut down the whole thing May 17 19:46:23 it just takes time May 17 19:46:29 mickeyl: maybe delete the old trac instance and create a new one May 17 19:46:29 hardly anyone is using trac anyways May 17 19:46:47 http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SpamFilter May 17 19:46:50 there are solutions May 17 19:47:21 mickeyl: I will setup another trac instance and play with that May 17 19:47:25 ok May 17 19:47:34 mrmoku, look in yhe logs for the exacts problems May 17 19:47:53 ok May 17 19:47:56 next topic... what's with udev again? please don't introduce it. there are so many alternatives May 17 19:48:16 we need to do some work for that though May 17 19:48:31 a bluez plugin for fsodeviced May 17 19:48:35 ok, it's just a handfull of missing device nodes isn't it? May 17 19:48:42 bluetoothd starting May 17 19:48:51 bluetoothd should already be working May 17 19:48:56 i just had no time to document and test May 17 19:48:57 fix the mac for soft mac wifi like on n900 May 17 19:49:01 ohh May 17 19:49:01 but the infrastructure has been there for longt May 17 19:49:07 ok :P May 17 19:49:13 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/ImageDevManager May 17 19:49:17 take a look at fsousaged May 17 19:49:24 it knows about something like ServiceDepends May 17 19:49:25 mickeyl: someone would cry if I deactivate the old trac? May 17 19:49:25 (or so) May 17 19:49:35 morphis: well, it would be an extremely bad sign May 17 19:49:37 but noone would cry May 17 19:49:50 like "FSO doesn't care about their bugs, so they just shut down the tracker and open a new one" May 17 19:49:58 not that is not available for a long time, but for short time frames May 17 19:50:08 perhaps we can migrate the db May 17 19:50:15 mickeyl: what is the proposed solution for wandering mac? May 17 19:50:42 mrmoku: fsodeviced plugin: quirks_n900 May 17 19:50:46 there we can do everything we want May 17 19:50:46 hmm May 17 19:50:52 until we find a better soluton May 17 19:50:56 does that problem exist without udev in the first place? May 17 19:50:57 much like morphis did May 17 19:51:03 no idea, i'm afraid May 17 19:51:08 i never had problems with that May 17 19:51:08 ok May 17 19:51:16 will find out May 17 19:51:19 then again, i didn't use wifi much on the 900 May 17 19:52:30 i'm open for tackling all udev-absence problems May 17 19:52:46 if it's just a couple of device nodes and scripts, we can replicate that May 17 19:53:03 we even have a nicely working firmware loader May 17 19:53:14 yeah, good May 17 19:53:16 bulletproof tested on htcdream May 17 19:53:18 *cough* May 17 19:53:20 mickeyl, stupid question: why udev is bad? May 17 19:53:29 lol May 17 19:53:31 indeed May 17 19:53:32 GNUtoo: it is slow, it does things in userland that belong to the kernel May 17 19:53:36 (my opinion) May 17 19:53:37 it even works with compat wireless May 17 19:54:10 and it breaks every so often May 17 19:54:16 mickeyl: I will setup a simple page where the current status of the bug tracker is described and that we will setup a new one and migrate old bugs May 17 19:54:19 it has a strange rule syntax May 17 19:54:21 want more? May 17 19:54:28 yes May 17 19:54:28 morphis: ok May 17 19:54:36 maybe you could add the why here: May 17 19:54:37 heh May 17 19:54:45 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/ImageDevManager May 17 19:55:11 hello May 17 19:55:15 because I wonder how much we gain by removing udev in startup speed May 17 19:55:16 not tonite, but i will add my reasoning to that page May 17 19:55:26 ok thanks a lot May 17 19:55:30 the major reason is a clearer system architecture, btw. May 17 19:55:43 it's insane to split responsibilities that go together May 17 19:55:52 why having fsouaged when we start services w/ udev May 17 19:55:55 as an example May 17 19:56:05 ok May 17 19:56:42 what if the user install navit May 17 19:56:54 that install gpsd May 17 19:56:57 that install udev May 17 19:57:07 that broke the boot in the past May 17 19:57:11 we can always have a dummy udev provider May 17 19:57:17 ok May 17 19:57:19 an empty stub just to fulfill the dependencies May 17 19:57:26 mickeyl: but I still need the root password for the mysql db May 17 19:57:26 that would be nice May 17 19:57:57 morphis: uh ho May 17 19:58:10 try 'netscape' or 'hannes' May 17 19:58:16 :) May 17 19:58:19 that's two of my universal passwords May 17 19:58:47 you're on public irc btw.... May 17 19:58:50 mickeyl: no May 17 19:58:50 hehe May 17 19:58:52 i know May 17 19:59:22 GNUtoo: you can check bootcharts with and without udev to see how big the difference was May 17 19:59:36 morphis: then we have a problem, i can't remember May 17 19:59:50 mickeyl: ok, should I ask stefan or jan? May 17 19:59:55 JaMa, ok I didn't think about that May 17 19:59:58 morphis: made some changes on settings app,now using delegate,don't know if that is right :) btw,thanks by that qml tutorials :D May 17 20:00:12 angelox_123: yeah, that are good new May 17 20:00:13 s May 17 20:00:20 I now, the tutorials are great May 17 20:00:25 GNUtoo: maybe you can google mine from gta02 where it was almost 50s May 17 20:00:27 morphis: i don't think they know, i setup the trac instance a while ago. let me try something May 17 20:00:56 JaMa, ouch May 17 20:00:58 mickeyl: ok May 17 20:01:02 50 seconds!!!!! May 17 20:02:02 morphis: none of my tries work. we're root, can't we change it? May 17 20:02:04 bjam, hi,did you realize that you have the name of a build system May 17 20:02:13 mickeyl: we should May 17 20:02:17 mickeyl: will search a bit May 17 20:02:36 GNUtoo: sorry maybe only 15 May 17 20:02:41 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/jama/ May 17 20:02:53 bootchart-2.6.32.11.xserver-common.no-udev.png and bootchart-2.6.32.11.xserver-common.png May 17 20:02:55 mysql> UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD(‘newrootpassword’) WHERE User=’root’; May 17 20:02:56 mysql> FLUSH PRIVILEGES; May 17 20:03:03 or so May 17 20:03:12 ok May 17 20:03:16 GNUtoo: 50s it's against 2.6.29 with udev May 17 20:03:26 ok May 17 20:03:29 mickeyl: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html May 17 20:03:33 in any way it's a completely ridicolous amount of time given what it actually does May 17 20:03:43 morphis: *nod* May 17 20:04:03 ok, then are the wiki and trac down for some minutes May 17 20:04:26 AT ALL: FSO WIKI, TRAC will be down for some minutes now! May 17 20:04:38 GNUtoo: Could you remove your attached image on shr page ? May 17 20:04:47 angelox_123, how to do it? May 17 20:05:12 that's the issue, I don't know how to remove it May 17 20:05:31 GNUtoo: i don't know too :( maybe you could ask for someone that have access too ? May 17 20:05:44 lol May 17 20:05:49 ok May 17 20:05:52 mrmoku, hi May 17 20:06:08 do you know if we could remove an attachment from a page in the wiki May 17 20:06:08 ? May 17 20:07:38 hmm May 17 20:08:17 GNUtoo: which page? maybe I can do it May 17 20:08:25 the main page May 17 20:08:32 I added an n900 attachment May 17 20:08:40 thinking it was like mediawiki May 17 20:08:46 where the attachments are global May 17 20:09:31 I hope I didn't scare bjam May 17 20:09:36 * angelox_123 saw that image and liked how n900 is beautiful ;) May 17 20:10:15 GNUtoo: btw,today i saw that phone i said to you. it wasn't a Palm,was only a *chinese* mtk phone :\ May 17 20:10:50 ok May 17 20:11:02 that ones? : May 17 20:11:14 GNUtoo: deleted May 17 20:11:19 ok thanks May 17 20:11:31 yw May 17 20:13:22 angelox_123, this one: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/SciphoneDreamG2 ? May 17 20:13:29 GNUtoo: i wouldn't can buy it,it was only some cases.... :( May 17 20:13:29 mickeyl: "--skip-grant-tables" is your friend May 17 20:14:20 * mrmoku rebuilds fsoaudiod with g_type_init May 17 20:16:34 JaMa: btw. whats your plan to merge recipes-freesmartphone into meta-oe? May 17 20:18:18 morphis, I saw your mail where you were critisizing the hard work of integrating a device to SHR/illume May 17 20:18:25 maybe I could help on that part May 17 20:18:34 I thought that everything was already done May 17 20:18:57 morphis: yay works :) May 17 20:19:00 at least partly May 17 20:19:05 after playing the sound it segfaults May 17 20:19:25 yes fsoaudiod segfaulted recently for me too May 17 20:19:31 recently means with todays's images May 17 20:19:50 morphis: I have no real plans before August :/ May 17 20:20:13 we need xrandr -o 1, at least on palm pre May 17 20:20:22 (that would enables games) May 17 20:20:56 hmm... running under gdb it did not segfault May 17 20:21:03 we need too many things in fact May 17 20:21:20 timing? May 17 20:25:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07cornucopia * rf8daba2f7084 10/fsoaudiod/src/alsa_hooks/alsa-wrapper.c: May 17 20:25:04 freesmartphone.org: fsoaudiod: alsa-hooks: call g_type_init when initializing the hook May 17 20:25:04 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann May 17 20:25:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07cornucopia * r6346790245ed 10/fsoaudiod/src/alsa_hooks/plugin.vala: May 17 20:25:05 freesmartphone.org: fsoaudiod: alsa-hooks: use vala dbus abstraction and get a typified proxy May 17 20:25:05 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann May 17 20:26:04 JaMa: ok, as I have some ideas about restructuring it May 17 20:26:11 JaMa: and remove old things May 17 20:26:27 GNUtoo: yes most things are done May 17 20:26:32 GNUtoo: but it needs to much time May 17 20:26:40 1,5 years are not a short time May 17 20:26:41 ok May 17 20:26:57 what things are there to finish on the pre? May 17 20:26:58 wifi? May 17 20:27:03 camera? May 17 20:27:07 bluetooth ? May 17 20:27:11 wifi needs polishing May 17 20:27:16 camera and bluetooth needs work May 17 20:27:19 ok May 17 20:27:23 camera is v4l2? May 17 20:27:32 morphis: feel free to do whatever is needed with it May 17 20:27:46 JaMa: ok May 17 20:28:03 JaMa: I am working on a meta-palmpre too May 17 20:28:19 so we have some bsp only for the pre which can be used which each distro May 17 20:28:23 morphis, will it go in meta-shr? May 17 20:28:31 ah ok May 17 20:28:34 :) May 17 20:28:39 like meta-nslu2 May 17 20:29:00 I hope oe will not fragment when switching to oe-core May 17 20:29:07 I don't think so May 17 20:29:15 but I like the idea to split things May 17 20:29:17 every distro people do their meta- May 17 20:29:26 yes so you know where's stuff May 17 20:29:31 but the devil is in the details May 17 20:29:35 yes May 17 20:29:54 thats what I discovered when porting the linux-palmpre kernel to my overlay May 17 20:30:12 but due to that I could wipe out most stuff from kernel.inc which is not used by it May 17 20:30:25 so things will get smarter May 17 20:30:34 but it needs some more tooling around May 17 20:30:51 to discover different versions of recipes in different layers and so May 17 20:31:11 but as I saw the yocto people are already working on that May 17 20:31:23 ok May 17 20:31:57 playya: heyho May 17 20:32:16 moin morphis May 17 20:51:05 mrmoku: with g_type_init() it works? May 17 20:54:44 yup May 17 20:55:18 morphis: I changed it to use the vala gdbus abstraction too May 17 20:55:23 hope you're fine with it May 17 20:56:04 morphis: what will be the next steps now ? :) May 17 20:57:13 mrmoku: already commited? May 17 20:57:16 yup May 17 20:57:23 let me take a look May 17 20:57:55 ok May 17 20:57:56 brb May 17 21:06:05 morphis: if you dislike the second commit feel free to revert it :) May 17 21:06:15 but I think it's nicer that way May 17 21:06:16 mrmoku: no its really ok May 17 21:06:18 yes May 17 21:06:30 I just struggeld with the way to do dbus calls without mainloop May 17 21:06:40 thats why I used call_sync May 17 21:07:26 I think a sync proxy does all calls sync... not 100% sure though May 17 21:07:43 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r115fad3efaa5 10/fsoaudiod/src/lib/sessionhandler.vala: fsoaudiod: sessionhandler: be more verbose when releasing a session May 17 21:07:57 mrmoku: next step will be the session management May 17 21:08:13 ok May 17 21:08:23 and alsa config with more devices May 17 21:08:35 and get the correct name for the device May 17 21:09:32 jepp May 17 21:09:41 we need to mute/unmute the alsa devices May 17 21:09:44 and set their volume May 17 21:10:41 ok, I will take a look into how to use the devices name for the session request May 17 21:10:47 and configure some devices May 17 21:11:04 tomorrow though :) May 17 21:11:09 ok and I will think about the structure I already designed some weeks ago for the session handling May 17 21:11:19 now it's time for the old man to meet his pillow :P May 17 21:11:23 hehe May 17 21:11:41 meet it :) May 17 21:11:42 gnight and thx May 17 21:11:46 yeah, for sure :D May 17 21:11:47 no problem May 17 21:11:48 gn8 May 17 21:13:15 so I will even go to bed May 17 21:13:16 gn8 May 17 21:19:27 PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 May 17 21:19:34 I get that on all my devices now May 17 21:19:48 that was htcdream with fso2-demo-image May 17 21:19:59 /dev/pts? May 17 21:20:03 no idea May 17 21:20:13 I do not even have a shell on that device May 17 21:20:43 I had the same on om-gta02 if I remember well May 17 21:20:48 here I've the serial console May 17 21:20:51 let me remember May 17 21:21:12 ah it was with an opie image May 17 21:21:31 I'll build an om-gta02 console image May 17 21:22:06 or.... May 17 21:22:10 I could get a shell May 17 21:22:11 wait a bit May 17 21:22:15 I could try netcat May 17 21:25:22 ah there's udev May 17 21:25:23 hmmm May 17 21:25:28 I'll remove udev May 17 21:40:28 image is nearly built May 17 21:44:10 finally :) NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 18123 tasks of which 18092 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. May 17 21:44:27 task-shr-feed completely built on buildhost again May 17 21:44:34 ok May 17 21:47:22 btw. anyone interested in hw accel videos on omap3/4? May 17 21:48:31 openbricks has some recipes to build it include gst support May 17 21:52:10 ok got a shell May 17 21:52:30 /dev/pts is empty May 17 21:52:33 but is mounted May 17 21:52:38 devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,gid=5,mode=620) May 17 21:53:27 umount: /dev/pts: not mounted May 17 21:53:29 strange May 17 21:54:20 remounting on top of it doesn't do any good May 17 21:54:41 mdev -s either May 17 21:57:45 mknod: 0: Operation not permitted May 17 21:57:48 what's that? May 17 21:58:06 whoami => root May 17 21:59:22 GNUtoo: /proc/mounts? May 17 21:59:48 ok, rebooting May 17 22:00:25 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,relatime,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 May 17 22:01:21 mknod works after reboot May 17 22:04:32 ahhh ok solved May 17 22:04:33 was udev May 17 22:04:36 I removed udev May 17 22:04:39 and it works now May 17 22:04:59 hmmm it makes me think about something May 17 22:05:05 how to handle that May 17 22:05:09 udev is an image feature May 17 22:06:14 thanks a lot for the help May 17 22:06:53 so I'll remove udev from the n900 too May 18 00:00:36 GNUtoo: you said that is palm pre or palm treo not supported ? May 18 00:11:40 angelox_123, I said palm treo not supported by SHR May 18 00:11:49 so if you buy a treo you'll have to: May 18 00:11:55 *look at the current support May 18 00:12:00 *support it yourself May 18 00:12:28 look at the current support means, look if modem works May 18 00:12:39 look if the kernel is good enough May 18 00:12:40 etc... May 18 00:12:46 there was a website about the treo May 18 00:12:47 i se.. May 18 00:12:48 let me find it May 18 00:12:50 i see* May 18 00:13:07 but the palm pre is supported by morphis and some other people May 18 00:13:09 i found here a cheap HTC Dream G1 too... supported by shr May 18 00:13:18 yes May 18 00:13:27 although expect some issues May 18 00:13:35 such as short battery life when using the wifi May 18 00:13:39 and bad alsa driver May 18 00:13:51 and not finished integration May 18 00:14:09 I'm the only one that has an htcdream and still cares a bit May 18 00:14:26 well,maybe that won't be a big problem,since my actual hardware is +5 years old.. :) May 18 00:14:34 was it treo or pre that you found May 18 00:15:42 treo May 18 00:16:07 ok May 18 00:16:09 let me look May 18 00:19:11 what kind of treo? May 18 00:19:16 680? May 18 00:19:19 yes.. May 18 00:19:20 650? May 18 00:19:51 680,too cheap,i don't know if that is the real price,like U$ 17... May 18 00:19:55 strange.. May 18 00:20:07 I would be a bit suspicious May 18 00:20:12 and the dream? May 18 00:20:15 how much? May 18 00:20:56 there was two,one about u$ 200 and other about U$ 360 proximately May 18 00:20:58 http://l4p.hackndev.org/trac/wiki/Treo680Hardware May 18 00:21:05 not cheap May 18 00:21:12 can you find one at 100$? May 18 00:21:36 for the dream: May 18 00:21:52 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison May 18 00:22:24 i was checking the dream hardware,let me check about the treo May 18 00:23:16 pxa270... May 18 00:23:19 treo is very low end May 18 00:23:27 64M of ram May 18 00:23:31 320x320 May 18 00:25:13 Dream i can only find some about: U$ 210,U$ 220, U$ 270... May 18 00:26:17 it haves wifi at least.. cool May 18 00:26:34 yes but the wifi doesn't last that much May 18 00:26:39 it can be fixed tough May 18 00:26:56 since alex[sp3dev] is working for it for a similar device May 18 00:27:38 found one used about U$ 180... May 18 00:27:57 ah the other ones were brand new? May 18 00:27:58 wow May 18 00:28:58 no,other ones was used too,but this (180) was a bit ugly,without battery and case.. May 18 00:29:08 ah ok May 18 00:29:14 when you buy used May 18 00:29:20 be sure the battery is in a good state May 18 00:29:28 or be prepared to buy a new battery May 18 00:29:43 because I got an htcdream which battery broke May 18 00:29:48 another person also did May 18 00:29:52 they broke the same way May 18 00:30:00 they grew fat May 18 00:30:06 and stopped working May 18 00:31:19 hmm May 18 00:31:21 i see... May 18 00:33:06 so be extra cautious when buying it May 18 00:33:12 specially if you buy it online May 18 00:33:17 you'll also need: May 18 00:33:37 *a power adapter or a standard usb cable (I bet you already have one) May 18 00:33:47 *special htc headphones May 18 00:34:03 note that the dream is aarrrgggg to support May 18 00:34:18 only buy it if there is nothing better May 18 00:34:54 i'll see so.. May 18 00:35:17 some idea about the Motorola Milestone,i've saw something on fso too... May 18 00:35:24 no May 18 00:35:28 not a good idea May 18 00:35:41 Uses signed bootloader May 18 00:35:47 that's what is said May 18 00:35:55 and it's less supported than the dream May 18 00:36:03 basically you have the choice between: May 18 00:36:16 *openmoko freerunner May 18 00:36:20 *htcdream May 18 00:36:22 *palm pre May 18 00:36:30 *n900 May 18 00:36:56 the rest is not supported and you'll have to do the support yourself May 18 00:37:21 the HTC HD2 and the nexus one lacks proper sound driver(alsa is not present) May 18 00:37:33 the iphone3g was abandoned May 18 00:37:50 and the gta01 is too slow May 18 00:38:02 (and has proprietary gps) May 18 00:38:18 proprietary gps gta01 ? May 18 00:38:21 yes May 18 00:38:27 learn about gllin May 18 00:38:29 anyway May 18 00:38:46 between what's left here's the status: May 18 00:38:58 htcdream < palm pre < n900 May 18 00:39:30 and openmoko freerunner beeing perfect but old(can't play videos, can't use it as a music player etc...) May 18 00:39:47 (and with its share of hardware problems) May 18 00:40:13 so htcdream is the worse one, palm pre is a bit better and the n900 *will* be great May 18 00:40:28 it really depend on what you're expecting from theses devices May 18 00:40:50 U$ 450 to a used N900 is suspicious? May 18 00:41:00 no May 18 00:41:07 it costs about 600E new May 18 00:41:18 and nokia said they will be using windows phone May 18 00:41:39 the n900 is not complete yet but very promizing May 18 00:41:56 you can't call yet but you have to know that meego can already May 18 00:42:05 we have 3g support May 18 00:42:27 the kernel is upstreamed by meego people May 18 00:42:41 the resolution and the hardware is great May 18 00:43:11 has wifi?if so,there's a good support ? May 18 00:43:29 * angelox_123 accidentally closed hardwaresupport page May 18 00:43:40 wifi works great on it May 18 00:44:17 basically here's the story May 18 00:44:26 it's a device which started with maemo May 18 00:44:37 it has a 2.6.28 kernel that was 100% FLOSS May 18 00:44:46 but the userland was not at all May 18 00:44:51 then meego came May 18 00:44:59 the meego kenrel was more recent May 18 00:45:03 but not everything worked May 18 00:45:17 since it takes time to port things forwards May 18 00:45:26 to the official kernel May 18 00:45:47 so things that worked for 2.6.28 don't work anymore, like bluetooth May 18 00:45:55 but the most important things do May 18 00:45:57 like wifi May 18 00:46:14 then they liberated a lot of things with meego May 18 00:46:20 including the telephony May 18 00:46:32 but they use ofono and we use fso May 18 00:46:33 hmm,great May 18 00:46:41 so we have to re-implement ofono's parts in fso May 18 00:46:46 that's what mrmoku is doing May 18 00:46:50 he got 3g May 18 00:47:04 calls have no sound currently, I was working on it May 18 00:47:16 but I got very nervous and stopped May 18 00:47:20 it's easy tough May 18 00:47:27 no reverse engineering needed May 18 00:47:35 only alsa knowledge May 18 00:47:40 so maybe i'll work to buy a N900,it's a bit cheap as i saw some months ago... May 18 00:48:29 some months ago i saw a N900 about U$ 750~ May 18 00:49:22 ok May 18 00:50:16 thanks for your explanation :) now i can understand a bit more about conversations running here on channel... May 18 00:50:58 btw what is your field of expertise? May 18 00:51:04 you seem to know QT well May 18 00:52:19 (we're always looking for new contributors) May 18 00:53:37 well,i don't have a focus in some area,i know that i'm good to teach for they that are coming from scratch to embedded development. I know a bit of Qt yes,trying to learn about another languages,since i had some years ago a lot of experience with Pure C for PIC and AVR May 18 00:54:04 wow nice May 18 00:54:12 I never succedded at flashing my PIC May 18 00:54:19 so I bought an arduino at the end May 18 00:54:34 I did program in pure C for it May 18 00:54:53 i haven't tried flash for PIC on Linux,at that time,i was using windows :( May 18 00:56:24 ok May 18 00:56:34 GNU/Linux was not the issue May 18 00:56:41 the electronic circuit for flashing wa May 18 00:56:43 *was May 18 00:56:57 I used 13V instead of Low power 5v programming May 18 00:57:03 that made it very difficult May 18 00:57:15 and I think I destroyed the pic at the end May 18 00:58:02 if that was at program mode yes,iirc there is a pin that you need put 13V to allows it a write mode.. May 18 00:58:25 the problem is that nowadays 5v is enough May 18 00:58:30 there are easier circuits May 18 00:58:40 that you can use for 5V ICSP May 18 00:59:23 ah,so you've surely burned your pic :) May 18 01:00:46 i've burned my pic too,i was making some quick tests and i accidentally put a 12V 70A (Car Battery) into VCC :\ May 18 01:02:38 ok May 18 01:04:08 now it's time to go to the bed May 18 01:04:12 good night May 18 01:05:09 good night everyone May 18 01:05:13 good night GNUtoo May 18 01:06:09 good night May 18 01:37:35 mickeyl: k3dar and I sent some patches to the mailing list, combined they fix the install-all target on palm Pre, and most of the sizing verifications :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 18 02:59:57 2011