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May 22 07:43:04 <CIA-30> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r239772841628 10/aurora/configure.ac: aurora: fix wrong varibale usage in configure.ac
May 22 07:46:45 <CIA-30> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * ra0936e7f92c5 10/aurora/aurora/main.qml: 
May 22 07:46:45 <CIA-30> freesmartphone.org: aurora: activate settings application
May 22 07:46:45 <CIA-30> freesmartphone.org: For now I can activate it to follow it's development. We can deactivate it later when we
May 22 07:46:45 <CIA-30> freesmartphone.org: decide to not ship it with the 0.1 release of aurora.
May 22 08:45:18 <morphis> mickeyl: ping
May 22 10:01:24 <mickeyl> pong
May 22 11:05:00 <GNUtoo> hi, what is libfreesmartphone-glib ?
May 22 11:05:08 <GNUtoo> and was mokosuite abandoned?
May 22 11:06:45 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: it's danieles autogenerated bindings
May 22 11:06:56 <mrmoku> and I guess he has not much time the last weeks
May 22 11:07:03 <GNUtoo> ok
May 22 11:07:36 <GNUtoo> | usage.c:8:24: fatal error: dbus/usage.h: No such file or directory
May 22 11:07:42 <GNUtoo> here's the problem
May 22 11:07:57 <GNUtoo> I guess he has to migrate to gdbus?
May 22 11:17:25 <bobo_> hi there, I want to use shr on palm pre. The gprs connection already works, phone calls too, but no sound. if i try to ssh root@192.168.0.202 , I get an error: "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" and I have to quit that connection with ~.
May 22 11:17:58 <bobo_> is it possible to ssh into shr?
May 22 11:36:39 <playya> hmm. strange
May 22 11:39:14 <GNUtoo> bobo_, yes
May 22 11:39:16 <GNUtoo> it's a bug
May 22 11:39:36 <GNUtoo> bobo_, basically I bet it has devtmpfs and udev at the same time
May 22 11:40:00 <GNUtoo> bobo_, can you have a shell on it?
May 22 11:42:39 <playya> argh. what's the novaterm cmd to upload a file?
May 22 11:55:25 <GNUtoo> playya, I don't remember but there is no push
May 22 11:55:31 <GNUtoo> instead you use some <
May 22 11:55:35 <GNUtoo> or some >
May 22 12:24:16 <morphis> heyho
May 22 12:24:55 <morphis> mickeyl: ping
May 22 12:30:58 <playya> best invention ever: http://www.design-3000.de/outdoor/grillen+picknick/getraenkekuehler/getraenkekastenschwimmreif.html?listtype=search&searchparam=bier
May 22 12:32:44 <morphis> :)
May 22 12:36:32 <raul> hi
May 22 12:37:07 <raul> fsodeviced dies with: fsodeviced: control.c:1589: snd_ctl_elem_list_get_id: Assertion `idx < obj->used' failed.
May 22 12:37:10 <playya> hi
May 22 12:38:20 <raul> (shr-u: 2:0.9.4+gitr981+cab138ae44b922b72a9e5cf94b803e0746eb421f-r5.22.6)
May 22 12:38:42 <morphis> raul: do you have the logfile for fsodeviced?
May 22 12:39:02 <mrmoku> raul: broken state files
May 22 12:39:28 <raul> ah ok
May 22 12:39:57 <raul> yes .log ends with: fsodeviced : Found scenario 'gsmhandset' - main volume = 0
May 22 12:40:12 * mrmoku wonders why they break so frequently and if it easier to fix by looking into why or by switching to fsoaudiod :P
May 22 12:40:43 <raul> mrmoku: do you still need the log file
May 22 12:40:54 <mrmoku> no, don't think so
May 22 12:41:10 <mrmoku> it's a known thing that fsodeviced segfaults that way if the state files are broken
May 22 12:41:23 <mrmoku> just why they break is not known yet
May 22 12:41:49 <raul> ok
May 22 12:43:23 <raul> hm there is no alsa-2.6.37 in the conf dir
May 22 12:43:50 <mrmoku> that is not necessary when the state file format does not change between kernels
May 22 12:45:43 <mickeyl_> morphis: ping
May 22 12:46:03 <morphis> mickeyl: you have time so we can finish our froscon lecture proposal?
May 22 12:46:39 <mickeyl_> yes
May 22 12:46:43 <morphis> ok
May 22 12:47:31 <mickeyl_> i have just changed something on your proposal, moved the title as subtitle and added another title that is a bit more clear and catchy
May 22 12:47:32 <mickeyl_> IMO
May 22 12:47:41 <mickeyl_> feel free to revert if you prever the old one
May 22 12:47:43 <morphis> yeah, saw that and I like it :)
May 22 12:47:46 <mickeyl_> ok, cool
May 22 12:48:01 <mickeyl_> i think your proposal is good. anything you think i should add to mine?
May 22 12:48:03 <morphis> I added an abstract for the first talk too
May 22 12:48:23 <morphis> should it only concentrate on hardware?
May 22 12:48:52 <morphis> or should it be about everything like SHR, FSO, Openmoko, Gta04, Aurora, ...
May 22 12:49:41 <mickeyl_> you can, of course, mention them, but i'd stay focused for that talk with the hardware / low level software pains
May 22 12:49:55 <mickeyl_> they will get more room in my talk
May 22 12:50:03 <morphis> ok
May 22 12:50:19 <morphis> but we will still do both talks together?
May 22 12:50:21 <raul> mrmoku: you mentioned switching to fsoaudiod, it's already running on my shr
May 22 12:50:38 <mickeyl_> sure
May 22 12:50:41 <morphis> ok
May 22 12:50:49 <mrmoku> raul: yeah, but not used
May 22 12:51:04 <raul> ah i see
May 22 12:51:09 <morphis> mickeyl: we should then mention this when we supply the proposal
May 22 12:51:30 <mickeyl_> yep, let me check the entry form for the best place 
May 22 12:52:04 <mickeyl_> there's no good place to mention it
May 22 12:52:12 <mickeyl_> we can mention it when we get accepted
May 22 12:52:19 <mickeyl_> there's a time frame for feedback then
May 22 12:53:21 <morphis> ok
May 22 12:53:36 <morphis> so we can supply both proposals now
May 22 12:53:44 <morphis> I will do the first one and you the second one?
May 22 12:55:49 <mickeyl_> yep
May 22 12:55:54 <mickeyl_> editing the form now
May 22 12:56:38 <morphis> me too
May 22 12:57:44 <morphis> submitted
May 22 12:59:08 <mickeyl_> ok, same here
May 22 12:59:10 <mickeyl_> lets see
May 22 12:59:20 <mickeyl_> which track did you chose? open hardware i guess? i chose mobile
May 22 12:59:27 <morphis> yes
May 22 12:59:49 <morphis> maybe mobile is even the better for the first talk
May 22 13:00:08 <mickeyl_> ya, probably
May 22 13:00:27 <morphis> changed
May 22 13:00:57 <morphis> so it's done, now we can wait for the both proposals to be accepted
May 22 13:01:05 <mickeyl_> yep :)
May 22 13:01:08 <mickeyl_> or not
May 22 13:01:37 <morphis> :)
May 22 13:01:52 <morphis> mickeyl: btw. my additions to pyside for qws support are now available here: https://github.com/morphis/PySide/tree/qws-support
May 22 13:02:00 <morphis> if someone asks you again
May 22 13:02:16 <mickeyl_> ok, good
May 22 13:02:56 <mickeyl_> so you did it the pyside way after all
May 22 13:04:44 <mickeyl_> glad to see that
May 22 13:04:52 <morphis> I am doing it ...
May 22 13:04:58 <raul> mrmoku: just delete the last line in gsmhandset: 94: 'Media....
May 22 13:05:37 <morphis> it's not finished, as it needs fine-tuning and recompilation each time I change something ... and sadly it's part of QtGui which is not very small
May 22 13:06:17 <raul> mrmoku: hm this line does not exist in git...maybe just my file was corrupted
May 22 13:07:53 <morphis> mickeyl_: you saw radekp's patches for fso-specs regarding qt support?
May 22 13:08:21 <mickeyl_> yes, i'll review 'em
May 22 13:09:19 <mickeyl_> bbl, need to go a bit outside while it's so sunny
May 22 13:15:52 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, even with phonet0 the modem is broken, maybe we need to phonet -a pnroute etc....
May 22 13:20:34 <GNUtoo> 1970-01-01T00:15:27.109491Z [INFO]  fsogsmd : GLib <gisicomm>: gisicomm.vala:241: Reachability result: <[(null) (0) v-01.-01]: ERROR, Connection timed out (0xFFFFFF92)>
May 22 13:20:36 <GNUtoo> hmmm
May 22 13:25:18 <GNUtoo> maybe some modules were not loaded
May 22 13:25:24 <GNUtoo> now it seem to be better
May 22 13:39:49 <bobo_> GNUtoo, no, the input for the terminal does not work on shr
May 22 13:40:11 <bobo_> but I can have terminal access within webos
May 22 13:41:20 <bobo_> GNUtoo, will this help?
May 22 14:09:13 <GNUtoo> bobo_, I do not have a palm pre but some people here do
May 22 14:09:26 <GNUtoo> so I don't know, but I had a similar issue
May 22 14:09:34 <GNUtoo> you could try to remove udev....
May 22 14:09:43 <GNUtoo> in SHR
May 22 14:10:43 <bobo_> is udev or devtmps used by shr?
May 22 14:11:38 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: btw. that issue I would like to understand better :)
May 22 14:12:03 <mrmoku> because probably the best thing we could do is to default for udev-less images
May 22 14:12:13 <mrmoku> but let people install udev if they want or need it
May 22 14:12:23 <mrmoku> that won't work though if the kernel has support for it disabled
May 22 14:12:24 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, ok
May 22 14:16:02 <morphis> bobo_: you have a Palm Pre?
May 22 14:16:10 <bobo_> morphis, yes
May 22 14:16:18 <morphis> bobo_: ok, whats your problem?
May 22 14:17:16 <bobo_> when I try  to ssh root@192.168.0.202 , I get an error: "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" and I have to quit that connection with ~.
May 22 14:17:41 <GNUtoo> morphis, do you have udev + devtmpfs at the same time on the pre?
May 22 14:17:47 <morphis> GNUtoo: no
May 22 14:17:50 <GNUtoo> ah ok
May 22 14:17:52 <morphis> only udev
May 22 14:17:53 <GNUtoo> then I've no idea
May 22 14:18:04 <GNUtoo> because removing udev fixed that for me
May 22 14:18:19 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: did you try if just not starting udev fixes it too?
May 22 14:18:26 <morphis> bobo_: which kind of image do you have installed on the device? SHR?
May 22 14:19:28 <bobo_> yes, the one you get when you run make wget-image
May 22 14:19:57 <morphis> ok
May 22 14:20:32 <morphis> it's the first time you try to login?
May 22 14:20:44 <bobo_> yes
May 22 14:21:10 <morphis> ok
May 22 14:21:16 <morphis> you rebooted the device?
May 22 14:22:09 <bobo_> yes
May 22 14:22:52 <morphis> maybe that image is broken
May 22 14:23:49 <bobo_> sad. if I find time I will setup the toolchain and create the image myself...
May 22 14:23:51 <morphis> bobo_: you should ask GarthPS, he had the same error and did some research
May 22 14:24:17 <morphis> bobo_: I didn't have the time to care about SHR's palmpre support atm
May 22 14:24:50 <morphis> bobo_: maybe ask mrmoku or JaMa|Off to rebuild the image for palmpre from scratch
May 22 14:25:01 <morphis> or try one of the older images
May 22 14:25:11 <morphis> you find them here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/palmpre/
May 22 14:26:21 <bobo_> if I can make calls, shouldn't the browser also work?
May 22 14:27:23 <morphis> no
May 22 14:27:45 <morphis> you cannot assume this
May 22 14:27:53 <morphis> but in general it should
May 22 14:28:04 <morphis> as making calls is only accessing the modem
May 22 14:28:22 <morphis> but using the browser involves some more components like only doing a call
May 22 14:28:50 <morphis> to the modem, setting up the gprs connection
May 22 14:28:58 <morphis> set it as the primary route
May 22 14:29:05 <morphis> setup dns ...
May 22 14:29:52 <morphis> but you can try
May 22 14:30:33 <bobo_> all this sounds really interesting to make it "just work". If I only had more time to get involved... but first I have to compile links2 with framebuffer for arm...
May 22 14:31:34 <morphis> :)
May 22 14:31:53 <morphis> it's interesting but as you say, it needs a lot of time
May 22 14:43:52 <GNUtoo> mrmoku,  what should we do for the phonet calls?
May 22 14:51:20 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: in what sense?
May 22 14:51:38 <mrmoku> for audio?
May 22 14:51:46 <mrmoku> or phonet in general?
May 22 14:52:03 <GNUtoo> the uttility
May 22 14:52:09 <GNUtoo> phonet and pnroute
May 22 14:52:14 <mrmoku> ahh
May 22 14:52:20 <GNUtoo> udev was removed 
May 22 14:52:24 <GNUtoo> so it's not called anymore
May 22 14:52:44 <mrmoku> nah
May 22 14:52:47 <mrmoku> that's not true
May 22 14:52:53 <mrmoku> they get called by an initscript
May 22 14:52:54 <GNUtoo> ah?
May 22 14:52:57 <GNUtoo> init calls then
May 22 14:53:00 <GNUtoo> ahhh got it
May 22 14:53:02 <mrmoku> nokia-n900-cmt-gpio.sh
May 22 14:53:04 <mrmoku> :)
May 22 14:53:10 <GNUtoo> since the module is not loaded yet
May 22 14:53:13 <GNUtoo> it doesn'twork
May 22 14:53:16 <GNUtoo> let me fix it
May 22 14:53:17 <GNUtoo> later
May 22 14:53:24 <mrmoku> yeah
May 22 14:53:48 <GNUtoo> I must autoload the telephony modules
May 22 14:53:49 <GNUtoo> bbl
May 22 14:54:26 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: http://pastebin.com/LBcDTdbi
May 22 14:54:33 <mrmoku> this is what I have loaded with udev in place
May 22 14:55:19 <GNUtoo> I'm fixing all this stuff
May 22 14:55:25 <GNUtoo> it will just take time
May 22 14:55:34 <mrmoku> ok
May 22 16:46:58 <GarthPS> bobo_: http://www.freenux.fr/Erreur-SSH-PTY-allocation-request.html
May 22 16:48:16 <bobo_> GarthPS, oh, merci beaucoup!
May 22 16:50:31 <GarthPS> bobo_: de rien
May 22 16:50:40 <GarthPS> ;)
May 22 16:51:08 <GarthPS> I had the say issue since a month or soo with shr on pre2
May 22 16:51:41 <GarthPS> but as it use shr -unstable  it is quite normal as something come and go in this branch..
May 22 16:51:53 <GarthPS> your are french ?
May 22 17:10:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm french too btw
May 22 17:15:52 <JaMa> hey
May 22 17:57:48 <mrmoku> hey JaMa 
May 22 17:59:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, hi
May 22 18:03:44 <JaMa> what's wrong with palmpre images, that morphis asked for rebuild from scratch?
May 22 18:04:08 <JaMa> we did rebuild from scratch few weeks ago and it finished just few days ago .. :/
May 22 18:07:19 <JaMa> gtg again
May 22 18:52:52 <GarthPS> GNUtoo: ahch'avais pas :)
May 22 18:54:06 <GNUtoo> comme quoi y'as des francais en italie
May 22 18:55:48 <GNUtoo> l'avantage est que y'a un bon tutorial efl en francais
May 22 18:58:18 <mrmoku> GarthPS: independent of the nationality... italy is a very undemocratic place to live in ;)
May 22 18:59:19 <GNUtoo> indeed
May 22 19:00:03 * GNUtoo prepares the revolution with SHR+BATMAND+IBSS
May 22 19:01:03 <GNUtoo> unfortunately that won't happend
May 22 19:02:12 <GNUtoo> (no one would revolt here)
May 22 19:23:38 <pespin> GNUtoo, here there are some hundreds/thousands people camping in the most emblematic squares of the most importants cities in the country  since a week ago ;)
May 22 19:23:53 <pespin> so revolution seems has started here hehe
May 22 19:29:41 <pespin> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-europe-13481592?rdr=dsk
May 22 19:30:18 <pespin> GNUtoo, btw, yesterday I thought about using Mumble in phones could be great. Do you know it?
May 22 19:30:48 <GNUtoo> yes, it's for games
May 22 19:30:51 <GNUtoo> why not SIP
May 22 19:31:00 <pespin> it can be used for other purpouses too
May 22 19:31:30 <pespin> afaik it's easier to set up a server on your PC and use it with some friends/relatives.
May 22 19:31:48 <GNUtoo> wow
May 22 19:31:51 <GNUtoo> ok
May 22 19:31:58 <GNUtoo> I've an asterisk server
May 22 19:32:12 <pespin> I just found they removed dbus support in their server, but no actual reason is given apart from they just saying "it's insecure"
May 22 19:32:21 <pespin> GNUtoo, lol asterisk seems quite more difficult to setup ;)
May 22 19:32:27 <GNUtoo> it is
May 22 19:32:31 <GNUtoo> I had to buy the book
May 22 19:32:47 <pespin> yesterday I asked at #mumble why they droped dbus support and didn't got good reasons
May 22 19:32:50 <GNUtoo> it's a free book also available as pdf btw
May 22 19:33:10 <pespin> just "i don't know about you but i prefer to keep stuff like dbus off my servers"
May 22 19:33:25 <pespin> they are using ICE instead of dbus
May 22 19:33:33 <GNUtoo> ah
May 22 19:33:38 <GNUtoo> dbus is not that insecure
May 22 19:33:55 <pespin> I told them about using config policy files, but I just got that response ^
May 22 19:34:08 <pespin> -.-
May 22 19:34:50 <pespin> but anyway, I'll try porting it to OE once I finish exams
May 22 19:35:12 <pespin> it should be easy. It uses qmake.
May 22 19:35:12 <GNUtoo> ok
May 22 19:35:21 <GNUtoo> you also have some bluetooth work to do
May 22 19:35:28 <pespin> maybe I need to port some deps before, I don't know
May 22 19:35:39 <pespin> GNUtoo, yeah ;)
May 22 19:36:09 <pespin> I think I'll may change windows with a stack of pages
May 22 19:36:19 <pespin> afaik elm supports pages.
May 22 19:37:34 <GNUtoo> and reconnect support
May 22 19:37:45 <GNUtoo> in gnome it can reconnect
May 22 19:37:48 <GNUtoo> automatically
May 22 19:37:53 <GNUtoo> for instance when you setup a mouse
May 22 19:37:59 <GNUtoo> and you login again
May 22 19:38:04 <GNUtoo> it automatically add the mouse
May 22 19:39:05 <pespin> yep I have to add some kind of "Known devices" list, apart from the "Visible devices" list which exists now
May 22 19:40:05 <GNUtoo> ok
May 22 19:42:18 <pespin> if my last partial exams go well, I finish the 9th of june, otherwise the 14th
May 22 20:01:41 <GNUtoo> ok
May 22 20:04:45 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ping
May 22 20:34:12 <[Rui]> hiya
May 22 20:36:12 <[Rui]> upgraded on friday, but now the freerunner seems to be acting up when it receives calls
May 22 20:36:25 <[Rui]> haven't yet had a call while plugged though :(
May 22 20:37:16 <[Rui]> after picking the call it wouldn't stop ringing, vibrating, the sound profile was all wrong (volume was 0, mic was max)
May 22 21:07:01 <GarthPS> GNUtoo: mrmoku so both of you live in italie ? GNUtoo, why do you speake about EFL? what are you doing ?
May 22 21:07:57 <GNUtoo> there is a great french edje tutorial
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