**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 15 02:59:57 2011
Jun 15 07:34:23 <morphis_> heyho
Jun 15 07:34:31 <morphis_> mickey|office: ping
Jun 15 10:42:15 <GNUtoo> hi mickey|daddy mickey|office 
Jun 15 10:43:41 <mickey|office> morning GNUtoo, how are things?
Jun 15 10:44:24 <GNUtoo> you know fsonetworkd, right?
Jun 15 10:45:55 <GNUtoo> here's a route on htcdream because of connmand:
Jun 15 10:45:56 <GNUtoo> http://www.pastie.org/private/xu1gtz1lkxnpbdxkwmma
Jun 15 10:46:07 <GNUtoo> it breaks iliwi I guess
Jun 15 10:46:15 <GNUtoo> because it breaks udhcpc -i wlan0
Jun 15 10:46:28 <GNUtoo> (too much default routes)
Jun 15 10:52:38 <mickey|office> GNUtoo: i don't know the state of morphis' fsogsmd/connmand integration, but if this would be working, we could disable (perhaps adding a configuration entry) the custom route creation done by fsogsmd's ppp plugin.
Jun 15 10:52:54 <GNUtoo> ok
Jun 15 10:53:02 <GNUtoo> I should ask morphis then
Jun 15 10:53:22 <GNUtoo> I don't know why is connmand used and what it is used for
Jun 15 10:53:46 <GNUtoo> maybe if I disable pdp would stop working or something like that
Jun 15 10:54:14 <GNUtoo> I'll ask morphis, thanks a lot
Jun 15 12:13:55 <morphis> heyho
Jun 15 12:22:52 <morphis> mickey|office: ping
Jun 15 12:22:55 <morphis> GNUtoo: ping
Jun 15 12:23:45 <mickey|office> morphis: pong
Jun 15 12:24:49 <morphis> mickey|office: fine, you are available :)
Jun 15 12:24:56 <mickey|office> yo
Jun 15 12:25:06 <morphis> should we talk in private about the presentation?
Jun 15 12:26:39 <mickey|office> ok
Jun 15 12:26:44 <mickey|office> or here :)
Jun 15 12:33:53 <GNUtoo> morphis, pong
Jun 15 12:34:14 <GNUtoo> morphis, I'll ping you again later
Jun 15 12:38:49 <morphis> GNUtoo: ok
Jun 15 12:48:07 <GNUtoo> morphis, for htcdream I've that: http://www.pastie.org/private/xu1gtz1lkxnpbdxkwmma
Jun 15 12:51:08 <GNUtoo> it blocks udhcpc -i wlan0
Jun 15 12:54:46 <morphis> GNUtoo: whats that?
Jun 15 12:56:14 <GNUtoo> morphis, route command
Jun 15 12:56:24 <GNUtoo> basically connmand causes that
Jun 15 12:56:27 <morphis> yes, but what should it tell me?
Jun 15 12:56:54 <GNUtoo> the question is: how do I ignore some interfaces?
Jun 15 12:57:01 <GNUtoo> I could do it in the init script
Jun 15 12:57:04 <morphis> GNUtoo: you should take a look at this: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-msm/smem_log.c;h=e85e37a5b0945fe97d624552cf209a9c5852df93;hb=refs/heads/palmpixi/master
Jun 15 12:57:08 <GNUtoo> but I'm not sure it's the good solution
Jun 15 12:57:18 <morphis> why you need to ignore them?
Jun 15 12:58:40 <GNUtoo> basically I've that long route table
Jun 15 12:58:45 <GNUtoo> with many default
Jun 15 12:58:54 <GNUtoo> the many default are gone if I kill connmand
Jun 15 12:59:10 <GNUtoo> without killing connmand udhcpc -i wlan0 blocks
Jun 15 12:59:18 <GNUtoo> let me wait for the error message
Jun 15 12:59:28 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot for the log driver
Jun 15 13:00:36 <GNUtoo> I've to wait some minutes
Jun 15 13:00:41 <GNUtoo> like 5 min maybe
Jun 15 13:02:04 <GNUtoo> and it also blocks normal networking trough usbnet
Jun 15 13:02:11 <GNUtoo> I cannot download from the feeds
Jun 15 13:02:14 <GNUtoo> but I can ssh in it
Jun 15 13:06:57 <GNUtoo> morphis, what's the use of fsonetworkd and connmand plugin?
Jun 15 13:07:21 <GNUtoo> handle wifi scanning etc....?
Jun 15 13:07:29 <GNUtoo> and ppp?
Jun 15 13:07:37 <GNUtoo> (the htcdream uses rmnet)
Jun 15 13:07:49 <GNUtoo> (instead of ppp)
Jun 15 13:10:10 <GNUtoo> still not failed(udhcpc...still waiting)
Jun 15 13:15:17 <morphis> GNUtoo: about blocking the interface I have currently no solution
Jun 15 13:15:29 <GNUtoo> killall connmand unblocks it
Jun 15 13:15:32 <morphis> GNUtoo: there is currently one one usecase for fsonetworkd
Jun 15 13:15:40 <morphis> or maybe two
Jun 15 13:15:46 <GNUtoo> ppp and wifi?
Jun 15 13:15:47 <morphis> 1. Offering a default route for ppp
Jun 15 13:16:01 <morphis> 2. And forwarding a wireless connection to the pc
Jun 15 13:16:02 <GNUtoo> I think we got one with the qmi plugin
Jun 15 13:16:19 <morphis> the fsogsmd ppp plugin provides the route to fsonetworkd
Jun 15 13:16:22 <morphis> which sets it then
Jun 15 13:16:39 <morphis> but if we want to use connman for that we need to rethink the whole process
Jun 15 13:16:47 <morphis> the fsogsmd connman plugin is unfinished
Jun 15 13:16:53 <GNUtoo> ah ?
Jun 15 13:16:56 <morphis> I started working on it but never finished it
Jun 15 13:17:00 <GNUtoo> ok
Jun 15 13:17:06 <GNUtoo> can it be disabled then?
Jun 15 13:17:10 <GNUtoo> at least for htcdream
Jun 15 13:17:13 <GNUtoo> and nexusone
Jun 15 13:17:50 <morphis> it can
Jun 15 13:18:06 <GNUtoo> ok, how because I do not see that:
Jun 15 13:18:13 <GNUtoo> [fsonetwork.connman]
Jun 15 13:18:33 <GNUtoo> in conf/default/fsonetwork.conf
Jun 15 13:18:48 <GNUtoo> maybe it's connman alone that does this mess
Jun 15 13:19:05 <GNUtoo> that is to say, the connman init script
Jun 15 13:19:47 <GNUtoo> ha fsonetworkd wasn't even launched
Jun 15 13:20:35 <GNUtoo> so I guess I've to modify the init script
Jun 15 13:20:40 <GNUtoo> to ignore rmnet*
Jun 15 13:20:44 <GNUtoo> adn dummy*
Jun 15 13:21:49 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot
Jun 15 13:22:04 <GNUtoo> btw I guess you don't want the geeksphone one
Jun 15 13:22:23 <GNUtoo> because I forgot to ask you
Jun 15 13:22:30 <GNUtoo> who should get it between me and you
Jun 15 13:23:06 <morphis> hm
Jun 15 13:23:17 <morphis> I did some more research this night
Jun 15 13:23:21 <GNUtoo> ok
Jun 15 13:23:41 <morphis> and there is a relevant difference between the protocol used in the geeksphone and the version used by Palm
Jun 15 13:23:58 <GNUtoo> ah?
Jun 15 13:24:00 <morphis> the geeksphone uses the rpc calls for dealing with the modem and it's services
Jun 15 13:24:17 <morphis> and Palm uses one service to fake a serial channel to the modem
Jun 15 13:24:37 <morphis> which they use then to submit the messages we know from the Palm Pre
Jun 15 13:24:55 <morphis> (there are other and different message but in general it's the same)
Jun 15 13:25:09 <morphis> as the message also have the same format
Jun 15 13:25:15 <GNUtoo> ok
Jun 15 13:25:20 <morphis> they still have a subsystem id and a group id
Jun 15 13:25:29 <morphis> which is something the geeksphone doesn't use
Jun 15 13:25:34 <GNUtoo> so the main difference is the transport
Jun 15 13:25:41 <morphis> and the nexus s seems to use AT
Jun 15 13:25:45 <morphis> no
Jun 15 13:25:51 <morphis> not the transport
Jun 15 13:25:52 <GNUtoo> nexus S uses AT!!!!!!!
Jun 15 13:26:08 <morphis> the difference is all above the plain rpc stuff
Jun 15 13:26:12 <morphis> GNUtoo: ok
Jun 15 13:26:21 <morphis> then I got something wrong :)
Jun 15 13:26:53 <morphis> geeksphone is using the rpc stuff as you know it from the gps implementation for the geeksphone
Jun 15 13:27:07 <GNUtoo> ij
Jun 15 13:27:13 <GNUtoo> *ok
Jun 15 13:27:36 <GNUtoo> I know there is also audio that needs rpc
Jun 15 13:28:56 <GNUtoo> morphis, for the nexus S, their ril uses AT?
Jun 15 13:29:50 <GNUtoo> ah I remember
Jun 15 13:29:57 <GNUtoo> the palm pre has 2 layers
Jun 15 13:30:04 <GNUtoo> under the msmcomm protocol
Jun 15 13:30:10 <GNUtoo> so here one layer is rpc
Jun 15 13:30:17 <GNUtoo> and there is a higher level
Jun 15 13:30:22 <GNUtoo> and then msmcomm
Jun 15 13:31:47 <GNUtoo> the -I for ignoring interface didn't work
Jun 15 13:31:53 <GNUtoo> it still blocks with that:
Jun 15 13:32:05 <GNUtoo> default         *               0.0.0.0         U     0      0        0 usb0
Jun 15 13:32:05 <GNUtoo> default         192.168.0.200   0.0.0.0         UG    8      0        0 usb0
Jun 15 13:38:32 <morphis> GNUtoo: google provides the binaries for the telephony part of the nexus s one some site
Jun 15 13:38:43 <morphis> GNUtoo: and that one does not have any reference to the rpc stuff
Jun 15 13:38:51 <morphis> it's a addition to the reference ril
Jun 15 13:39:24 <GNUtoo> ok
Jun 15 13:39:31 <GNUtoo> but I didn't see some AT strings in it
Jun 15 13:39:50 <GNUtoo> only that:
Jun 15 13:39:51 <GNUtoo> Sending AT in ASCII
Jun 15 13:40:17 <GNUtoo> and some small things like
Jun 15 13:40:18 <GNUtoo> ATE0
Jun 15 13:40:27 <GNUtoo> and
Jun 15 13:40:33 <GNUtoo> ATD#777
Jun 15 13:44:01 <morphis> thats because it's an addition to the reference ril
Jun 15 13:44:04 <morphis> which uses AT
Jun 15 13:46:23 <morphis> GNUtoo: about who should receive the geeksphone
Jun 15 13:46:27 <morphis> GNUtoo: I don't know
Jun 15 13:46:38 <morphis> it's leviathan's phone, right?
Jun 15 13:47:03 <GNUtoo> yes
Jun 15 13:47:07 <GNUtoo> he got it for free
Jun 15 13:47:10 <GNUtoo> because I had to get it
Jun 15 13:47:23 <GNUtoo> but I tought he would do more work than me
Jun 15 13:47:35 <GNUtoo> if you plan to do more work than me on it
Jun 15 13:47:38 <GNUtoo> you should get it
Jun 15 13:48:21 <morphis> hm
Jun 15 13:48:32 <morphis> I am only interested in it because of the modem protocol
Jun 15 13:48:33 <morphis> nothing else
Jun 15 13:48:52 <morphis> as for more I don't have the time to do any work
Jun 15 13:49:03 <GNUtoo> me too, mainly because of that, but I planed to do a quick port like for the nexus one
Jun 15 13:49:10 <morphis> ok
Jun 15 13:49:35 <morphis> I am even planing to get an old palm pixi to explore their way of using the shared memory interface of the msm
Jun 15 13:49:42 <morphis> how old is the geeksphone?
Jun 15 13:50:09 <GNUtoo> it's like an htcdream, with the same wifi card than the freerunner
Jun 15 13:50:19 <GNUtoo> the screen resolution is inferior tough
Jun 15 13:50:31 <GNUtoo> and it's a pain to do any kernel development with it
Jun 15 13:53:01 <morphis> ok
Jun 15 13:53:07 <morphis> why is it a pain?
Jun 15 13:53:11 <morphis> cause of flashing?
Jun 15 13:53:15 <GNUtoo> yes
Jun 15 13:53:22 <GNUtoo> you have to put the kernel on the microsd
Jun 15 13:53:26 <GNUtoo> and then to flash
Jun 15 13:53:28 <GNUtoo> and to reboot
Jun 15 13:53:32 <GNUtoo> if I understood well
Jun 15 13:53:47 <morphis> baaah
Jun 15 13:53:56 <morphis> sounds not as a simple way
Jun 15 13:54:38 <morphis> GNUtoo: you have to decide, if I can get the device I will only use it to do some research on the modem protocol in implement it in the msmcomm project
Jun 15 13:54:48 <morphis> if I am done with it I will give it to someone else
Jun 15 13:55:02 <GNUtoo> ok
Jun 15 13:55:06 <morphis> but I can't do anything before beginning of august
Jun 15 13:55:26 <GNUtoo> if I get it now, how many help will I get from you?
Jun 15 13:55:34 <GNUtoo> do you think it's doable?
Jun 15 13:55:43 <GNUtoo> (if I get it)
Jun 15 13:57:52 <morphis> the main problem is, you have to dive very deep into the internals and assembler bits
Jun 15 13:58:03 <morphis> nothing is obvious and it's painful
Jun 15 13:58:10 <GNUtoo> then you should get it
Jun 15 13:58:17 <GNUtoo> I don't want to do taht
Jun 15 13:58:20 <GNUtoo> leviathan, ping
Jun 15 13:58:24 <morphis> as the payload is different from what I know from the pre phones
Jun 15 13:58:43 <morphis> so the sounds like the same but in details it's 100% different
Jun 15 13:59:28 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Jun 15 13:59:47 <morphis> the phone is rooted by default?
Jun 15 13:59:51 <GNUtoo> yes
Jun 15 14:00:18 <morphis> as what should be nice is that we have basic support for the plain-rpc variant of the protocol in msmcomm
Jun 15 14:00:29 <morphis> we need to make it suitable for every device anyway
Jun 15 14:00:37 <GNUtoo> yes
Jun 15 14:00:39 <morphis> as the details seems to differ between the devices itself
Jun 15 14:00:55 <morphis> but I hope we can get it
Jun 15 14:01:11 <morphis> that what I even want to kick off as a separate project within FSO at the end of this year
Jun 15 14:01:19 <morphis> as the rpc stuff we need for the future
Jun 15 14:01:25 <morphis> as more and more devices has it
Jun 15 14:01:27 <GNUtoo> yes for newer palm devices
Jun 15 14:01:33 <GNUtoo> at least
Jun 15 14:01:38 <morphis> and more and more devices has a qualcomm chip in it
Jun 15 14:01:55 <morphis> so they will all use the share memory
Jun 15 14:01:59 <GNUtoo> indeed
Jun 15 14:02:01 <morphis> s/share/shared/
Jun 15 14:02:01 <apt> morphis meant: so they will all use the shared memory
Jun 15 14:02:27 <morphis> so it should be very nice if we have a solid base to support only the basic feature of every msm phone in the future
Jun 15 14:02:39 <morphis> thats the plan I have currently for msmcomm
Jun 15 14:02:50 <morphis> it needs more documentation
Jun 15 14:02:52 <morphis> etc.
Jun 15 14:03:31 <morphis> and maybe qualcomm will open source everything in the end :)
Jun 15 14:05:15 <GNUtoo> yes possible
Jun 15 14:05:39 <GNUtoo> how do I remove that route:
Jun 15 14:05:49 <GNUtoo> default         *               0.0.0.0         U     0      0        0 usb0
Jun 15 14:06:40 <GNUtoo> (Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface)
Jun 15 14:07:00 <GNUtoo> I tried many commands
Jun 15 14:07:02 <GNUtoo> route del default
Jun 15 14:07:05 <GNUtoo> didn't work
Jun 15 14:07:12 <GNUtoo> neither most of the thing I tried
Jun 15 14:08:41 <morphis> hm, route del is what I would suggest
Jun 15 14:08:52 <morphis> try to set another route as default
Jun 15 14:08:59 <morphis> and then remove the one
Jun 15 14:09:31 <GNUtoo> ok
Jun 15 14:10:26 <GNUtoo> didn't work
Jun 15 14:10:33 <GNUtoo> this connman thing is kind of hard
Jun 15 14:12:12 <GNUtoo> aha connman re-creates it
Jun 15 14:13:50 <jeepingben> route del -net 0.0.0.0   no?
Jun 15 14:14:57 <GNUtoo> jeepingben, I think the route is re-created by connmand
Jun 15 14:15:15 <GNUtoo> but I'll try
Jun 15 14:23:25 <GNUtoo> sigh connman
Jun 15 14:23:26 <GNUtoo> sigh
Jun 15 14:23:57 <GNUtoo> I think it's not even related to the routes
Jun 15 14:24:12 <GNUtoo> ah maybe
Jun 15 15:06:18 <GNUtoo> GRRR when I udhcpc -i wlan0 connman tries to do that:
Jun 15 15:06:31 <GNUtoo> dummy0 {add} route 0.0.0.0 gw 0.0.0.0 scope 253 <LINK>
Jun 15 15:06:39 <GNUtoo> dummy0 {del} route 0.0.0.0 gw 0.0.0.0 scope 253 <LINK>
Jun 15 15:06:42 <GNUtoo> and re-add
Jun 15 15:06:45 <GNUtoo> and re-del
Jun 15 15:06:46 <GNUtoo> etc...
Jun 15 15:06:56 <GNUtoo> and I even made a python script
Jun 15 15:07:06 <GNUtoo> for disabling the handle of the interfaces
Jun 15 15:07:31 <GNUtoo> http://pastie.org/2072671
Jun 15 15:27:20 <mickey|daddy> as a quickfix, i'd just start it with the appropriate -I options
Jun 15 15:27:32 <mickey|daddy> or -i
Jun 15 15:29:59 <GNUtoo> mickey|daddy, I was doing -I on the wrongs interfaces
Jun 15 15:30:02 <GNUtoo> I forgott wlan0
Jun 15 15:30:08 <GNUtoo> so I've a big question
Jun 15 15:30:22 <GNUtoo> what should we do with reguards to connman because I was told that:
Jun 15 15:30:35 <GNUtoo> <holtmann> If that interface is under ConnMan control, then you are out of luck with running anything manuallay.
Jun 15 15:30:43 <GNUtoo> <holtmann> However connmand -I wlan0 will make it stay away from that interface.
Jun 15 15:36:11 <GNUtoo> so iliwi uses udhcpc -i wlan0, right?
Jun 15 15:36:12 <GNUtoo> so we should rewrite,replace,or adapt iliwi?
Jun 15 15:36:49 <GNUtoo> because ignoring all interfaces is not a good options
Jun 15 15:36:53 <GNUtoo> it makes connman useless
Jun 15 15:37:05 <GNUtoo> maybe I should try ignoring just usb0 and wifi
Jun 15 15:37:20 <GNUtoo> anyway rmnet doesn't need connmand
Jun 15 15:37:30 <GNUtoo> and we don't even activate fsonetworkd that is unfinished
Jun 15 15:37:41 <GNUtoo> so we should get rid of connmad, right?
Jun 15 15:39:18 <mickey|daddy> it depends on whether you want a quickfix or a midtime solution
Jun 15 15:39:32 <mickey|daddy> we do want connman to handle our interfaces sooner or later
Jun 15 15:40:10 <mickey|daddy> i think it's the best option we have, esp. wrt. to its integration with bluez and ofono/fsogsmd
Jun 15 15:40:21 <mickey|daddy> but obviously there are not many UIs yet for it
Jun 15 15:41:36 <GNUtoo> I'm ok with the quick fix
Jun 15 15:41:43 <GNUtoo> else we have to replace the UIs
Jun 15 15:41:46 <GNUtoo> who would do that?
Jun 15 15:41:56 <GNUtoo> there was a connman based UI long time ago
Jun 15 15:42:02 <GNUtoo> what was its name?
Jun 15 15:42:08 <mickey|daddy> then the quick fix is to make it ignore the interfaces we have other tools for
Jun 15 15:42:32 <mickey|daddy> hmm, i don't recall
Jun 15 15:43:05 <GNUtoo> no that doesn't work either
Jun 15 15:43:13 <GNUtoo> we need to migrate everything to connman
Jun 15 15:43:26 <GNUtoo> I made it ignore all the interfaces
Jun 15 15:43:35 <GNUtoo> but still it blocks
Jun 15 15:43:38 <GNUtoo> with the default route
Jun 15 15:43:44 <GNUtoo> you cannot touch the route
Jun 15 15:43:46 <mickey|daddy> yes, if we really want to leverage its capabilities, that's the way to go
Jun 15 15:43:46 <mickey|daddy> that's why morphis did the plugin
Jun 15 15:43:47 <GNUtoo> it re-creates it
Jun 15 15:43:49 <GNUtoo> etc...
Jun 15 15:44:02 <GNUtoo> morphis didn't finish his work
Jun 15 15:44:05 <mickey|daddy> well, if you make it ignore all interfaces, you might as well not start it ;)
Jun 15 15:44:27 <GNUtoo> yes that means not shipping it
Jun 15 15:44:32 <GNUtoo> since there is an init script
Jun 15 15:44:36 <GNUtoo> fsonetworkd is not used
Jun 15 15:44:43 <GNUtoo> the init script is used to start it
Jun 15 15:44:54 <mickey|daddy> get rid of the script
Jun 15 15:45:03 <mickey|daddy> those who want connman can start it via dbus
Jun 15 15:45:26 <GNUtoo> nijibbect
Jun 15 15:45:29 <GNUtoo> oops
Jun 15 15:45:32 <GNUtoo> mokonnect
Jun 15 15:45:38 <mickey|daddy> right, that was it
Jun 15 15:47:16 <GNUtoo> so I've to work on that instead of doing more important things
Jun 15 15:47:31 <GNUtoo> I tought to quickely fix the htcdream's wifi problem
Jun 15 17:22:23 <GNUtoo> mickey|daddy, mokoconnect is not great at all
Jun 15 17:22:44 <GNUtoo> it doesn't work well on dream, it kills connmand and restarts it and the GUI is not great
Jun 15 17:22:52 <GNUtoo> I'll try it on the n900
Jun 15 17:23:02 <GNUtoo> so we should rewrite something I guess
Jun 15 17:23:09 <GNUtoo> but I really don't want to do it
Jun 15 17:23:32 <GNUtoo> I should concentrate on *important* things
Jun 15 17:23:40 <GNUtoo> not on writting a connection GUI
Jun 15 17:24:19 <GNUtoo> for instance:
Jun 15 17:24:32 <GNUtoo> *better audio quality within the n900 calls
Jun 15 17:24:38 <GNUtoo> *the isi modem
Jun 15 17:24:44 <GNUtoo> for instance make 3g work
Jun 15 17:24:48 <GNUtoo> or make sms work
Jun 15 17:26:56 <mickey|daddy> yep
Jun 15 17:26:56 <mickey|daddy> i agree
Jun 15 17:27:09 <mickey|daddy> when we provide the functionality, the UIs will come along
Jun 15 17:27:16 <mickey|daddy> it doesn#t work the other way round :)
Jun 15 17:37:27 <GNUtoo> basically it works(iliwi) on n900 because
Jun 15 17:37:36 <GNUtoo> *usb0 got a problem and didn't come up
Jun 15 17:37:50 <GNUtoo> *phonet0 is not ethernet 
Jun 15 17:37:59 <GNUtoo> so no other interface than wlan0
Jun 15 17:38:01 <GNUtoo> and it works
Jun 15 17:38:31 <GNUtoo> on om-gta02 the wlan0 appear
Jun 15 17:39:17 <GNUtoo> and I was clearly said that you cannot manage the interface and use it manually
Jun 15 17:42:23 <morphis_> GNUtoo: you already talked to leviathan about the geeksphone?
Jun 15 17:42:35 <GNUtoo> I keep pinging him
Jun 15 17:42:40 <GNUtoo> and he doesn't respond
Jun 15 17:42:42 <GNUtoo> ping leviathan 
Jun 15 17:46:41 <morphis_> ah ok
Jun 15 17:47:12 <morphis_> I off for today
Jun 15 17:47:14 <morphis_> bye
Jun 15 17:53:03 <GNUtoo> mickey|daddy, I finally solved the connman mistery:
Jun 15 17:53:18 <GNUtoo> DAEMON="/usr/sbin/connmand -I usb0,wlan0,dummy0,rmnet0,rmnet1,rmnet2 -r"
Jun 15 17:53:23 <GNUtoo> before I did:
Jun 15 17:53:29 <GNUtoo> -I usb0 -I wlan0 etc...
Jun 15 17:54:11 <GNUtoo> the other devices helped me to see my error
Jun 15 17:54:29 <GNUtoo> now mrmoku|italy and JaMa are not here
Jun 15 17:54:33 <GNUtoo> what whould I do?
Jun 15 17:54:35 <GNUtoo> commit that
Jun 15 17:54:45 <GNUtoo> ?
Jun 15 17:55:10 <GNUtoo> ping leviathan 
Jun 15 18:00:21 <mickey|daddy> GNUtoo: ooh, the syntax. didn't know that either
Jun 15 18:00:56 <mickey|daddy> GNUtoo: if it fixes the current situation, go ahead and commit it for shr
Jun 15 18:01:46 <GNUtoo> yes but I wonder what's best between:
Jun 15 18:01:56 <GNUtoo> *add a fixed init script
Jun 15 18:02:00 <GNUtoo> *removing connmand
Jun 15 18:02:01 <GNUtoo> *both
Jun 15 19:17:24 <captainigloo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATne4aBeDE0
Jun 15 19:17:44 <captainigloo> you will soon will be able to change icons position on the desktop
Jun 15 19:17:48 <captainigloo> with elfe :)
Jun 15 19:34:59 <GNUtoo> nice
Jun 15 20:08:55 <GNUtoo> ping leviathan 
Jun 15 22:01:51 <[Rui]> ping!
Jun 15 22:02:05 <[Rui]> mickey|daddy: GRATS!
Jun 15 22:03:00 <[Rui]> mickey|daddy: address for "cigar" sending? :)
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