**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 02:59:57 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 03:19:19 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 03:20:10 2011 Jun 24 11:48:27 ~seen morphis Jun 24 11:48:33 morphis <~morphis@dslb-088-070-150-144.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 14h 33m 25s ago, saying: '380 Euro'. Jun 24 12:28:21 hi, i heard the recent .39 can be made working by removing the mmc patches by per forlin? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2011-May/011350.html Jun 24 13:01:14 hmm,cloning vala and compiling i got makefile errors that i can fix,anybody having makefile errors too? I'm cloning from git.. Jun 24 14:01:35 if you're building HEAD, make sure that you have the latest release version, as Vala is self-hosting, thus needs itself to compile. Jun 24 14:01:46 i would recommend building the tip of the 0.12.x branch though Jun 24 14:01:49 as this is what we're using Jun 24 14:03:02 ok,i'll try,thank you Jun 24 14:19:54 i've finished clone vala from git.gnome.org branch 0.12 and got the same error as i got when i cloned from fso... Jun 24 14:20:14 which error? Jun 24 14:20:25 Makefile:264: *** Recursive variable `VALA_V_' references itself (eventually). Stop. Jun 24 14:20:52 i can easily fix it editing the makefile... Jun 24 14:21:36 but it's strange,since i cloned from GNOME,maybe a error from make command from my pc,not sure... Jun 24 14:23:22 ah, that one Jun 24 14:23:30 your autotools are too old Jun 24 14:23:34 vala requires fairly new autotools Jun 24 14:24:45 Really? Oh ok,i'll try to update then.. Jun 24 14:28:27 s/then/then...thank you/ Jun 24 14:28:29 angelox|laptop meant: Really? Oh ok,i'll try to update then...thank you.. Jun 24 14:45:18 and what version from vala-dbus-binding-tool should i use? Jun 24 14:54:50 use the same one we build in OE Jun 24 14:55:00 if in doubt, master from fso will work fine Jun 24 14:57:02 ok, thanks Jun 24 15:08:46 * angelox|laptop stops in error: Package `gee-1.0' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories Jun 24 15:12:53 you need libgee-dev Jun 24 15:14:45 already installed.. Jun 24 15:15:36 hmm Jun 24 15:16:23 compiled it by myself,and didn't work too... Jun 24 15:18:19 Hello, quick question. Is there any way to flash my OM Neo Freerunner with the latest SHR version w/o getting to the NAND mode by pressing AUX? (My AUX button is broken) Jun 24 17:25:35 moo Jun 24 17:26:18 how would I patch a binary, using scripted coreutils (etc)? Jun 24 17:26:32 od|sed|print ? Jun 24 17:27:04 or is there anything a bit more ... comfortable? Jun 24 17:27:31 something like patch for binaries Jun 24 17:27:54 is there some problem in use dbus-glib branch in libfso-glib instead gdbus ? Jun 24 17:28:53 s/some/any/ Jun 24 17:28:54 angelox|laptop meant: is there any problem in use dbus-glib branch in libfso-glib instead gdbus ? Jun 24 17:48:01 heyho Jun 24 17:48:24 hey morphis! Jun 24 17:55:57 angelox|laptop: as you now have a n900 you are interested in porting aurora to it? Jun 24 17:56:47 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * ra385aacf8d0b 10/aurora-daemon/ (34 files in 5 dirs): aurora-daemon: separate the daemon into it's own component Jun 24 17:58:53 morphis:sure! Jun 24 18:01:11 angelox|n900: gret Jun 24 18:01:22 as there is very much to do Jun 24 18:01:50 angelox|n900: you have any experiences with OE? Jun 24 18:01:58 leviathan__, the package will arrive very soon Jun 24 18:02:16 I received a paper from the post office Jun 24 18:02:20 I went to the post office Jun 24 18:02:29 they told me it will arrive very soon Jun 24 18:02:35 like tomorrow or monday Jun 24 18:02:53 GNUtoo: yeah! Jun 24 18:02:59 morphis, hi, maybe he must be able to boot an image first Jun 24 18:03:11 morphis: Yes, in my project (a linux distribution for smartphones developed by Brazillians) i used it as building tool... Jun 24 18:03:14 we have huge issues with booting on n900 Jun 24 18:05:33 hi anarsoul_ Jun 24 18:05:34 oops Jun 24 18:05:35 sorry Jun 24 18:05:37 hi angelox Jun 24 18:06:27 GNUtoo: Hi,last light i talked to some #maemo people and they said that even if i flashed only rootfs and kernel i'm on pr 1.3 Jun 24 18:06:40 s/last night/yesterday/ Jun 24 18:06:40 ok Jun 24 18:06:44 ok Jun 24 18:07:41 personally I can't even build aurora Jun 24 18:07:55 | Qt qmake not found! Jun 24 18:08:01 from apiextractor-native-0.10.2-r0 Jun 24 18:11:56 * angelox thinks "I need change my nickname to something strange!" Jun 24 18:12:29 angelox: ok Jun 24 18:12:57 GNUtoo: which branch do you use to build aurora? Jun 24 18:13:11 upstream OE is currently not suitable for latest aurora version Jun 24 18:13:49 GNUtoo: aurora OE development happens here: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openembedded.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/aurora/development Jun 24 18:13:59 and I don't think I will bring all the stuff upstream Jun 24 18:14:09 it should be in meta-aurora after the 0.1 release Jun 24 18:14:26 morphis, oe.dev, bitbake aurora-fb-image for htcdream machine under SHR distro Jun 24 18:14:31 ah ok Jun 24 18:14:40 then use the aurora/development branch Jun 24 18:14:43 should I do something special? Jun 24 18:14:45 ok Jun 24 18:14:47 how? Jun 24 18:14:50 require foo.inc Jun 24 18:14:51 ? Jun 24 18:14:53 no Jun 24 18:15:08 ah sorry Jun 24 18:15:12 I didn't read well Jun 24 18:15:12 it's a OE branch Jun 24 18:15:14 :) Jun 24 18:15:32 GNUtoo: whats the problem with booting on N900? Jun 24 18:15:44 just that it needs some love Jun 24 18:15:53 nothing bad Jun 24 18:15:54 ok Jun 24 18:15:57 apart in kexecboot Jun 24 18:16:02 there is 1 minute lost Jun 24 18:16:09 btw. I found some good information about the msm naming stuff: http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/100-msm7x30-msm7230-msm7630-msm8x55-msm8255-msm8655-and-qsd8x50a-qsd8250a-qsd8650a-are-qualcomms-2nd-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/ Jun 24 18:16:10 so it boots in 1 minute 30 sec Jun 24 18:16:13 instead of 30 sec Jun 24 18:16:18 ok Jun 24 18:16:41 ok nice Jun 24 18:16:42 remembering that u-boot doesn't work too :\ Jun 24 18:16:58 basically anarsoul_ wants to dual boot maemo and SHR Jun 24 18:17:11 * angelox needs changes his name urgently Jun 24 18:17:17 angelox: :) Jun 24 18:17:18 :) Jun 24 18:17:19 ? Jun 24 18:17:32 anyway I'm here to help Jun 24 18:17:32 what about bootr? Jun 24 18:17:36 where were you stuck Jun 24 18:17:41 morphis, bootr? Jun 24 18:17:44 we have : Jun 24 18:17:44 bootr? Jun 24 18:17:49 *chainloaded uboot Jun 24 18:17:50 GNUtoo: the solution we have for the palmpre Jun 24 18:17:54 *kexecboot Jun 24 18:18:08 *flashed directly the zImage Jun 24 18:18:12 here's the docs: Jun 24 18:18:20 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/NokiaN900/Booting Jun 24 18:19:06 GNUtoo, angelox: https://github.com/slyon/bootr Jun 24 18:19:15 it's the solution we use on the Palm Pre Jun 24 18:19:27 but I think the problem is the place where the kernel is stored Jun 24 18:19:38 checking... Jun 24 18:19:39 as there is a partition for it on the n900 right? Jun 24 18:20:46 angelox, I can help you with kexecboot Jun 24 18:20:54 kexecboot can boot maemo,shr or what you want Jun 24 18:21:03 and it works for me Jun 24 18:21:04 btw. my new display for my broken palm pre arrived Jun 24 18:21:10 ok nice Jun 24 18:21:39 morphis, why can't you push aurora stuff in oe? Jun 24 18:21:47 thank you GNUtoo,just a question,while that 1 minute,if i plug my charger,it'll charge the battery? Jun 24 18:22:27 GNUtoo: I can, but then we have a lot of single patches which should be merged before pushing upstream Jun 24 18:22:33 and I have no time for this Jun 24 18:22:42 and as classic oe will die sooner or later Jun 24 18:22:59 I prefer this way and then switch to meta-aurora after the 0.1 release Jun 24 18:23:10 morphis, ok Jun 24 18:23:28 if someone will do it I am fine with this :) Jun 24 18:23:28 oe classic will die but when? Jun 24 18:23:32 ok Jun 24 18:23:40 maybe never Jun 24 18:23:51 but it will not process as far as before Jun 24 18:23:55 morphis: before i start that,i need install SHR/FSO things on my PC,which is a hard task right now.. Jun 24 18:24:00 as many people will switch over to oe-core Jun 24 18:24:09 which is the right way I think Jun 24 18:24:16 yes, but I've tried hard to switch Jun 24 18:24:19 and always failed Jun 24 18:24:28 as for specific distribution building like aurora or shr is very hard with classic OE Jun 24 18:24:36 ok Jun 24 18:24:40 what was the problem? Jun 24 18:24:47 the setup? Jun 24 18:24:52 | Qt qmake not found! Jun 24 18:24:56 ah no Jun 24 18:24:57 sorry Jun 24 18:25:02 the problems was Jun 24 18:25:04 cannot find -lm Jun 24 18:25:08 and similar stuff Jun 24 18:25:13 hm Jun 24 18:25:42 I'll retry Jun 24 18:25:54 you build with aurora/development branch? Jun 24 18:26:31 I'll retry oe-core Jun 24 18:28:11 morphis: should i clone from here git.freesmartphone.org/openembedded.git to develop Aurora or from git.openembedded.org there's a branch? Jun 24 18:28:57 angelox: from fso Jun 24 18:29:04 and use the aurora/development branch Jun 24 18:29:55 ok,thank you,there's a while since i used OE by the last time so i asked.. Jun 24 18:35:03 angelox: no problem Jun 24 18:35:32 angelox: btw. you can use this: https://github.com/morphis/aurora-build-env Jun 24 18:35:38 just clone it Jun 24 18:36:00 and execute git submodule init Jun 24 18:36:41 | ../src/.libs/libfontconfig.so: undefined reference to `localeconv' Jun 24 18:37:17 now I've tat Jun 24 18:37:23 I'll clean and try to rebuild Jun 24 18:38:06 morphis: thank you Jun 24 18:39:10 ncurses and fontconfig failing Jun 24 18:54:19 GNUtoo: my problem with kexecboot is: It don't want to search at mmcblk1**,i checked that on debug info option Jun 24 18:54:37 ah? Jun 24 18:54:51 first Jun 24 18:55:00 mmcblk0p1 is the microsd Jun 24 18:55:14 and mmcblk1p1 is the 32GB oneNAND Jun 24 18:55:32 so I guess you want to boot maemo Jun 24 18:55:40 no Jun 24 18:55:46 on mmcblk0p1 it founds maemo Jun 24 18:56:00 strange Jun 24 18:56:03 let me doubble check Jun 24 18:56:24 would you have another kexecboot kernel to i test? Jun 24 18:56:25 ah ok I got it Jun 24 18:56:36 basically it didn't find your microsd at all Jun 24 18:56:42 yes Jun 24 18:56:49 so /dev/mmcblk1p1 became /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jun 24 18:56:57 because the microsd was inexistnt Jun 24 18:56:59 btw,i tried with 3 microsd... Jun 24 18:57:01 some tips: Jun 24 18:57:15 1)format the microsd correctly, if so: Jun 24 18:57:28 2)put the microsd inside and close the cover and shut down Jun 24 18:57:33 and then power on Jun 24 18:57:58 mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 is format microsd correctly? Jun 24 18:58:07 I'm not sure it's enough Jun 24 18:58:15 you should have /dev/sdb1 as linux Jun 24 18:58:18 in fdisk Jun 24 18:58:23 so I am off Jun 24 18:58:24 bye Jun 24 18:58:26 or the ncurse version Jun 24 18:58:27 bye Jun 24 18:58:28 bye morphis Jun 24 18:58:58 because if i put it on my pc after format it founds a ext3 partition correctly Jun 24 18:59:13 is it a linux partition Jun 24 18:59:17 that is Jun 24 18:59:23 fdisl -l /dev/sdb Jun 24 19:00:01 hmm strange Jun 24 19:00:06 /dev/sdb1 * 63 3907007 1953472+ 6 FAT16 Jun 24 19:00:14 change it to linux Jun 24 19:00:34 cfdisk shows me as linux... Jun 24 19:00:40 s/linux/ext3/ Jun 24 19:00:41 angelox meant: cfdisk shows me as ext3... Jun 24 19:00:51 you must change to linux Jun 24 19:01:01 ok Jun 24 19:01:06 I can guide you Jun 24 19:01:25 but if it works Jun 24 19:01:33 you add to the wiki in exchange Jun 24 19:01:41 of course Jun 24 19:02:51 first sudo su Jun 24 19:03:32 the do that: Jun 24 19:03:38 umount /dev/sdb1 Jun 24 19:03:56 ok,did that Jun 24 19:04:12 wait please Jun 24 19:04:20 then do: Jun 24 19:04:23 changed with cfdisk and it's now: Jun 24 19:04:24 /dev/sdb1 * 63 3907007 1953472+ 83 Linux Jun 24 19:04:28 should i try? Jun 24 19:04:28 ok Jun 24 19:04:36 save it Jun 24 19:04:39 and do that: Jun 24 19:04:41 save? Jun 24 19:04:48 fdisk -l /dev/sdb Jun 24 19:04:50 to check Jun 24 19:05:02 I've no idea on how cfdisk works, sorry Jun 24 19:05:02 /dev/sdb1 * 63 3907007 1953472+ 83 Linux Jun 24 19:05:07 I use the plain old fdisk Jun 24 19:05:10 ok nice Jun 24 19:05:12 ok, Jun 24 19:05:22 eject the card and put it in the n900 Jun 24 19:05:25 close the cover Jun 24 19:05:31 (important) Jun 24 19:05:38 should i check if my filesystem is there? Jun 24 19:05:45 s/filesystem/rootfs/ Jun 24 19:05:45 angelox meant: should i check if my rootfs is there? Jun 24 19:05:57 and power-off and boot Jun 24 19:06:03 yes good idea Jun 24 19:06:07 but eject cleanly Jun 24 19:06:29 ok,filesystem ok.. Jun 24 19:06:58 should i put my uSD with phone turned off and power on it? Jun 24 19:07:00 ok Jun 24 19:07:06 yes Jun 24 19:07:10 ok Jun 24 19:08:06 but the problem is Jun 24 19:08:20 be sure the phone stay off Jun 24 19:08:24 before closing the cover Jun 24 19:08:34 else the phone bootws with the cover open Jun 24 19:08:39 and doens't find the microsd Jun 24 19:09:26 i didn't know... Jun 24 19:09:46 basically it's something kernel related Jun 24 19:09:55 it refuse to access the microsd when the cover is open Jun 24 19:10:02 not to loose any data Jun 24 19:11:31 oh found it Jun 24 19:11:44 thank you,i'll put that tip(about close the cover) on wiki Jun 24 19:12:37 can i plug my charger on the phone to don't loose battery? Jun 24 19:12:54 yes Jun 24 19:12:57 do it Jun 24 19:13:02 as soon as it boots shr Jun 24 19:13:07 it start charging slowly Jun 24 19:13:19 we should implement the fast charging Jun 24 19:13:22 it's an easy task Jun 24 19:13:40 i booted shr...waiting that 1 minute... Jun 24 19:13:40 since the scripts floating arround the net already do it Jun 24 19:13:44 ok Jun 24 19:13:55 just implement these scripts Jun 24 19:14:10 oh,isn't too time to wait...already opened X Jun 24 19:14:23 s/too/too much/ Jun 24 19:14:25 angelox meant: oh,isn't too much time to wait...already opened X Jun 24 19:14:43 yes before it took 30sec to boot, with kexecboot it take 1min30sec Jun 24 19:15:35 hmm,i don't know my Your area/network code.. Jun 24 19:16:23 checking on wikipedia.. Jun 24 19:17:45 angelox, wait a sec Jun 24 19:17:48 you could pass that Jun 24 19:17:55 but the 2 important things are: Jun 24 19:17:59 *add a password Jun 24 19:18:11 *if you want wifi add the non-free firmwares Jun 24 19:18:26 note that it's non-free and not redistributable Jun 24 19:20:08 add password to ssh? Jun 24 19:23:21 GNUtoo,i couldn't type the password to ssh due something that i couldn't click on text field to change it...can i do by the GUI ? Jun 24 19:23:35 open a console Jun 24 19:23:37 type passwd Jun 24 19:23:44 blindly type a password Jun 24 19:23:49 at least twice Jun 24 19:24:08 (press enter after typing each password) Jun 24 19:24:24 and that'll set the password Jun 24 19:24:28 ok,i thought was another kind of password.. Jun 24 19:24:32 thank you Jun 24 19:24:33 else it can be set by the GUI that you skipped Jun 24 19:24:47 ssh root@192.168.0.202 if it works for you Jun 24 19:24:58 if it doesn't you can try wifi if you added the firmwares Jun 24 19:25:03 or ping me Jun 24 19:25:08 so I try g_nokia Jun 24 19:25:53 i didn't added firmware,so it won't work isn't? Jun 24 19:26:07 no it won't Jun 24 19:26:10 don't try it Jun 24 19:26:15 so...let me boot Jun 24 19:26:53 btw,i'm editing wiki ok? Jun 24 19:29:30 angelox, yes Jun 24 19:29:31 do that: Jun 24 19:29:34 ifup usb0 Jun 24 19:29:36 on the device Jun 24 19:29:56 and follow the usb networking howto of the openmoko wiki Jun 24 19:29:58 for the setup Jun 24 19:30:02 i'm with charger plugged..that's ok? Jun 24 19:30:05 no Jun 24 19:30:10 unplug it.. Jun 24 19:30:12 plug the usb cable Jun 24 19:30:14 instead Jun 24 19:30:26 the usbnet is a networking trough usb Jun 24 19:30:33 with the charger in that won't work Jun 24 19:30:42 i used that with my old Motorola A1200 Jun 24 19:31:25 ok Jun 24 19:31:33 then do that: Jun 24 19:31:38 ifup usb0 Jun 24 19:31:40 on the n900 Jun 24 19:31:46 and on your computer do Jun 24 19:32:05 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Jun 24 19:32:11 ssh root@192.168.0.202 Jun 24 19:32:47 i'll do too:sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev usb0 Jun 24 19:32:58 because my network is into 192.168.0.xxx range Jun 24 19:34:55 ok,sshed Jun 24 19:35:40 oh,network manager here on fedora doesn't allow me to ssh... Jun 24 19:36:36 ok ouch Jun 24 19:40:11 ok,sshed successfully (i hope) Jun 24 19:41:11 ok Jun 24 19:41:11 nice Jun 24 19:42:35 what should i do now? enjoy it? Jun 24 19:42:41 :) Jun 24 19:48:30 yes mostly Jun 24 19:48:35 opkg install some stuff Jun 24 19:48:37 pespin, hi Jun 24 19:48:51 pespin, could you update patches.openembedded.org? Jun 24 19:48:59 pespin, now that *I pushed your stuff* Jun 24 19:49:10 * GNUtoo guess pespin will be happy Jun 24 19:49:15 *guess that Jun 24 19:49:29 GNUtoo, uh nice, what did you push exactly? :P Jun 24 19:49:39 let me find them Jun 24 19:50:04 http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=org.openembedded.dev&id=45081d18787d6a1ac52a211f159ffd7c93b87b98 Jun 24 19:50:11 http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=org.openembedded.dev&id=2c06ce205ce7d10a8a254b654aea2a1d1ae1ad2a Jun 24 19:50:28 nice :D Jun 24 19:50:37 sorry for the delay Jun 24 19:50:44 but I was under high workload Jun 24 19:50:46 emtooth2 can be pushed to rev156 now though hehe Jun 24 19:50:52 lol Jun 24 19:50:59 you are welcome to push them, no problem :) Jun 24 19:51:06 send a patch Jun 24 19:51:17 to oe.dev Jun 24 19:51:21 and ping me a lot Jun 24 19:51:25 ok lol Jun 24 19:51:37 basically there are merge window Jun 24 19:51:42 like while (1) ping ? ;) Jun 24 19:51:48 no Jun 24 19:51:50 like : Jun 24 19:51:53 while (1) Jun 24 19:51:55 ping Jun 24 19:52:00 sleep something Jun 24 19:52:06 hehe Jun 24 19:52:19 if(patch_in) Jun 24 19:52:22 break; Jun 24 19:53:14 pespin, else I've another idea Jun 24 19:53:29 maybe add your recipe to shr-autorev.inc ? Jun 24 19:54:41 well, I need to send a patch anyway, right? Jun 24 19:55:07 yes Jun 24 19:55:11 it's easier for us Jun 24 19:57:57 btw,GNUtoo,thanks for your help to make my n900 run SHR,now i'll can help more! Jun 24 19:58:22 nice Jun 24 19:58:58 btw,a ARMv5te based rootfs will work on N900? Jun 24 19:59:09 yes it should Jun 24 19:59:16 but most things won't work Jun 24 19:59:34 for instance the configs were made for your other device Jun 24 19:59:54 and if i use a kernel from SHR? Jun 24 19:59:57 so better use bitbake to bitbake something for you Jun 24 20:00:02 that can boot the machine Jun 24 20:00:11 but then you need to ajust: Jun 24 20:00:13 xorg.conf Jun 24 20:00:17 fso configs Jun 24 20:00:18 etc... Jun 24 20:00:22 like in the porting guide Jun 24 20:00:32 i'll check it Jun 24 20:00:33 so you will need to re-do all our work Jun 24 20:00:39 which is huge and long Jun 24 20:00:48 well,i was just wanting to boot my distro into it.. Jun 24 20:00:56 then do that: Jun 24 20:01:05 write a local.conf that use n900 as machine Jun 24 20:01:08 and your distro as distro Jun 24 20:01:11 and bitbake an image Jun 24 20:01:31 and boot that image Jun 24 20:01:40 but don't forget to add a boot.cfg Jun 24 20:01:51 because we add it on shr-image Jun 24 20:01:57 but your distro may not add it Jun 24 20:02:06 yes,it don't add.. Jun 24 20:02:11 or may add it automatically if you use task-boot Jun 24 20:02:16 shr didn't Jun 24 20:02:26 I must speak to JaMa about that Jun 24 20:03:59 hmm ok,thank you Jun 24 20:08:35 GNUtoo, uhm in patches.openembedded it says my account is inactive :O Jun 24 20:08:44 ah? Jun 24 20:08:50 maybe create an account? Jun 24 20:08:55 I can't login Jun 24 20:09:05 GNUtoo, it says my mail is already in use, so I suppouse I did an account some time ago xD Jun 24 20:09:12 ok Jun 24 20:09:18 maybe ask some help in #oe Jun 24 20:37:14 brb Jun 24 21:27:31 GNUtoo: my lock button,bluetooth and camera doesn't work after installing kernel-power,should i install by another way? Jun 24 21:28:40 angelox, I don't know, ask #maemo Jun 24 21:28:47 they know better than me Jun 24 21:29:12 ok,thanks Jun 24 21:32:22 lindi-_: do you mean there's nobody interested to commit this Qi patch? I agree with it and i can do that if you do not have access. Jun 24 21:36:39 The patch is quite interesting... Jun 24 21:38:28 since it doesn't look pretty on the serial console Jun 24 21:48:37 I wonder if Andy's current Qi has that as well. Jun 24 21:53:30 PaulFertser: ah great. I was kind of trying to get some sort of feedback :) Jun 24 21:53:54 PaulFertser: qtmoko also has glamo timings and ubifs patches Jun 24 21:54:08 PaulFertser: I'm trying to figure out what I want to include in the debian package for qi Jun 24 21:54:20 PaulFertser: ideally it'd all be "upstreamed" to git.openmoko.org or similar Jun 24 21:54:23 lindi-_: ubifs patches are questionable because they break compatibility with jffs2 nand i'm afraid. Jun 24 21:54:30 PaulFertser: indeed Jun 24 21:54:33 PaulFertser: I hate that :) Jun 24 21:54:49 Qi was never meant to be really used as a NAND BL anyway, that's a side-effect. Jun 24 21:54:57 PaulFertser: but that's how people use qi Jun 24 21:55:25 PaulFertser: so if ubifs is impossible to use with qi then qtmoko can't just use the package Jun 24 21:55:47 PaulFertser: and they'd like to use as much common debian stuff as possible as it saves everyone work Jun 24 21:56:05 PaulFertser: I can of course ship qi-jffs2 and qi-ubifs images in the same package Jun 24 21:56:06 lindi-_: i understand. But i'm not sure how to solve that in a clean and nice way. Jun 24 21:56:19 PaulFertser: or make Qi detect the fs type? Jun 24 21:56:21 * lindi-_ hides Jun 24 21:56:31 or make linux detect the fs type? Jun 24 21:57:57 lindi-_: there should be some reason for rootfstype kernel parameter existance, the kernel folks ain't dumb... Jun 24 21:58:56 PaulFertser: then add support for reading command line parameters from nand Jun 24 21:59:15 there's this uboot_env area that could be used :) Jun 24 22:00:06 PaulFertser: any solution should be something that works for most users, I hate having wiki pages with links to random binaries Jun 24 22:00:21 PaulFertser: it's completely horrible to triage bugs in that environment Jun 24 22:01:51 PaulFertser: also, do you get "Starting" print if you boot from mmcblkp2? Jun 24 22:02:01 PaulFertser: I get that only if I let it boot from mmcblkp1 Jun 24 22:02:23 PaulFertser: sounds like a minor bug but is there something else that Qi is not doing if you choose the second boot option? Jun 24 22:02:44 lindi-_: i have no debug console but i guess i can try to check the source.s Jun 24 22:04:29 PaulFertser: no debug console anymore? ;) Jun 24 22:04:42 lindi-_: i never had the OM debug board. Jun 24 22:06:09 oh Jun 24 22:08:31 PaulFertser: should I just send Qi patches to community? Jun 24 22:08:42 PaulFertser: and you can then apply them to git.openmoko.org if they are ok? Jun 24 22:11:25 lindi-_: are glamo memory timings working for everybody? Jun 24 22:11:46 lindi-_: i've read some reports they make it crashy for some people, or am i wrong here? Jun 24 22:17:14 lindi-_: i can confirm Linux has "if (*s == '\n') putchar(port, '\r');" in drivers/serial/serial_core.c:uart_console_write() function, so your patch is absolutely correct. Jun 24 22:21:57 lindi-_: i wonder if one of the ubifs-using folks can try "rootfstype=jffs2,ubifs"? Jun 24 22:23:48 The problem is ubi is using a special notation for partitions. Jun 24 22:32:03 So even without issues with rootfstype we'd have issues with root= parameter. Jun 24 22:35:03 PaulFertser: it depends on who you ask! Jun 24 22:35:51 PaulFertser: but qtmoko people are all using the "new" timings Jun 24 22:36:04 lindi-_: what about you? Jun 24 22:36:05 PaulFertser: I'd really want to have this configurable Jun 24 22:36:09 PaulFertser: I'm not currently Jun 24 22:36:20 PaulFertser: I only turn them on in my "run-mplayer" wrapper Jun 24 22:36:44 lindi-_: memory timings for a particular board are rarely configurable, it's supposed to make little sense on embedded hardware. Jun 24 22:37:00 PaulFertser: yet we are still debating whether we should use those or not :) Jun 24 22:39:13 someone using kernel-power could give me the zImage? Jun 24 22:39:32 s/kernel-power/kernel-power to use kexecboot/ Jun 24 22:39:33 angelox meant: someone using kernel-power to use kexecboot could give me the zImage? Jun 24 22:42:31 angelox: http://paste.debian.net/120898/ ? Jun 24 22:42:44 Oh, kexecboot... Jun 24 22:43:59 I'll check that,using 2.6.28.10-power47 here bricks my camera,bluetooth and lock button..thank you Jun 24 22:44:03 lindi-_: can qtmoko use some minimal initramfs to properly detect rootfs type? Jun 24 22:45:00 angelox: do not forget you're to use corresponding modules version. Jun 24 22:45:47 PaulFertser: does Qi support initramfs? Jun 24 22:45:49 PaulFertser: Oh,yes,forgot that :\ thank you Jun 24 22:45:51 lindi-_: that'd be embedded in the kernel image. Jun 24 22:45:54 PaulFertser: you'd have it inside the kernel .. Jun 24 22:45:57 PaulFertser: rright Jun 24 22:46:13 lindi-_: it supports initramfs but from uSD. Jun 24 22:46:13 PaulFertser: I think they are not going to be thrilled about that Jun 24 22:48:36 lindi-_: from my understanding of the kernel sources one can't find any way to use the same root= option for both jffs2 and ubifs. Jun 24 22:48:49 alas Jun 24 22:51:48 lindi-_: btw, what's your opinion on "barebox"? Jun 24 22:52:19 never heard, what's that? Jun 24 22:52:40 lindi-_: u-boot rewritten from scratch based on linux kernel sources layout and ideas. Jun 24 22:52:44 afaict Jun 24 22:54:43 http://www.barebox.org/documentation/barebox-2011.05.0/ Jun 24 23:02:25 lindi-_: (\r patch) will commit today morning, 242 timings i guess should be ifdef'd (to have info about old timings easily visible), ubifs should probably be optified so you can compile with it or with jffs2 buy changing invoking the build with different parameters as well. Jun 24 23:03:05 lindi-_: i'll try to do that today (after i have a sleep) and will pass to you for the review. Jun 24 23:13:13 PaulFertser: no need to hurry Jun 24 23:38:29 PaulFertser: wrote an ethernet bridge in userland in python: http://paste.debian.net/120901/ :) Jun 25 02:16:51 ok,good night everyone! Jun 25 02:17:13 time to sleep...bye! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 25 02:59:57 2011