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Jul 14 10:27:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> larsc, hi my 32GB microsd didn't work on:
Jul 14 10:27:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> *2.6.34
Jul 14 10:27:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> *2.6.37
Jul 14 10:27:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> *2.6.39
Jul 14 10:27:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll try my 16GB microsd then
Jul 14 10:27:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> it worked fine before
Jul 14 10:27:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it works on 2.6.34
Jul 14 10:27:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> (I tried qtmoko and it worked inside)
Jul 14 10:28:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> (I tried qtmoko to see if they handled bluetooth better but it seem not)
Jul 14 10:31:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll try the 16G on 2.6.37....currently flashing the rootfs
Jul 14 10:31:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.39 has some graphics glamo issues
Jul 14 12:16:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> larsc, it didn't work
Jul 14 12:16:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> [    2.480000] mmcblk0: mmc1:8fe4 SU16G 14.8 GiB 
Jul 14 12:16:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> [    2.480000]  mmcblk0: unknown partition table
Jul 14 12:16:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've 2 solutions
Jul 14 12:16:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> stop using freerunner
Jul 14 12:16:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> fixing it
Jul 14 12:17:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I really *NEED* microsd
Jul 14 12:17:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> I just bought a bluetooth thing for listenning to music
Jul 14 12:20:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll try fdisk
Jul 14 12:22:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi mickey|office 
Jul 14 12:23:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, do you know bluetooth?
Jul 14 12:23:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> I guess so
Jul 14 12:23:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> I just wondered how to route a call to my bluetooth headset on om-gta02 with stock SHR
Jul 14 12:24:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> (with fsodeviced then)
Jul 14 12:43:15 <[Rui]> mickeyl: hi, how have your nights been? :)
Jul 14 12:57:56 <mickey|office> [Rui]: mixed ;) some good, some bad. depends on the amount of pain the flatulences are giving her. she's brave, but sometimes she can't handle the stomach pain, and then we all stay awake :)
Jul 14 12:58:42 <mickey|office> GNUtoo|laptop: no idea whether this works with stock SHR. with zhone and ophoned it worked once
Jul 14 12:59:04 <[Rui]> mickey|office: hehe :) @lilbernie has been sleeping very well (then, almost 11mo), in bed by 20/21, waking up by 7
Jul 14 12:59:05 <mickey|office> GNUtoo|laptop: see the commits from Felix Huber
Jul 14 12:59:16 <mickey|office> [Rui]: wow, that's pretty good
Jul 14 12:59:25 <[Rui]> mickey|office: I think there's a problem possibly with fso WRT sms
Jul 14 12:59:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> I was looking for a quick mdbus2 routing workarround
Jul 14 12:59:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> since I must go out
Jul 14 12:59:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> but else I will leave it ringing on speakers
Jul 14 13:00:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> I know how to integrate bluetooth correctly
Jul 14 13:00:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> I spoke with morphis + mrmoku
Jul 14 13:00:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> but that doesn't happend in one second
Jul 14 13:00:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> so I workarround for now
Jul 14 13:02:23 <mickey|office> [Rui]: i'm extremely out of the loop, but … which problem?
Jul 14 13:02:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll go
Jul 14 13:03:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> thanks and good luck with the baby
Jul 14 13:30:19 <[Rui]> mickey|office: sorry, laptop overheating, froze... had to let it cool down a little.
Jul 14 13:30:43 <[Rui]> mickey|office: anyways, I need to periodically load my sim in a nokia phone to remove sms from SIM
Jul 14 13:31:50 <mickey|office> hmm, interesting. is your FSO configured in a way that it buffers SMS on SIM?
Jul 14 13:34:12 <[Rui]> mickey|office: it's as given by shr, and I think it's set to off
Jul 14 13:34:59 <mickey|office> hmm, then it's best to open a bug in FSO and attach the fsogsmd log to it
Jul 14 13:35:04 <mickey|office> i'll have a look
Jul 14 13:35:35 <[Rui]> /etc/freesmartphone/conf/GTA02/fsogsmd.conf:sim_buffers_sms = false
Jul 14 13:36:05 <[Rui]> after some sms count, I keep getting a warning to free up the sms list
Jul 14 14:04:11 <marcellus1> hi
Jul 14 15:04:18 <angelox|n900> hi everyone 
Jul 14 16:22:31 <Martix> GNUtoo|laptop: speaking about your uSD problems, try glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=2500000
Jul 14 16:22:41 <Martix> as kernel parameter
Jul 14 16:24:29 <Martix> if it works, try bisect values between 2500000 and 16000000, if not, try lower value
Jul 14 17:01:42 <morphis> heyho
Jul 14 17:02:06 <angelox|laptop> hey morphis!
Jul 14 17:19:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> Martix, does it still work nowadays?
Jul 14 17:19:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> or is it autodetected?
Jul 14 17:19:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi btw
Jul 14 17:19:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, hi
Jul 14 17:20:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, I now use bluetooth and emtooth2 a lot with my new "jabra clipper" bluetooth thing
Jul 14 17:20:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's something where you connect earphones to it, has a mic and some volume contols and 1 other button
Jul 14 17:20:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> I use it on om-gta02
Jul 14 17:33:11 <Martix> GNUtoo|laptop: it works for me
Jul 14 17:33:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok nice
Jul 14 17:33:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've big microsd tough
Jul 14 17:33:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> like 16G or 32G (I've only one of each, it's for my music)
Jul 14 17:33:55 <Martix> I have 16 GB
Jul 14 17:34:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 14 17:34:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> let me try
Jul 14 17:34:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> that works with 2.6.37 right?
Jul 14 17:46:49 * angelox|laptop hangs in making some beautiful to Aurora's settings app
Jul 14 17:47:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> Martix, [    2.450000]  mmcblk0: unknown partition table
Jul 14 17:47:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> with your trick
Jul 14 17:47:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)
Jul 14 17:48:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> with fdisk 
Jul 14 18:07:32 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo|laptop: drive strength is autoselected, maximum clk should still be settable with that parameter.
Jul 14 18:07:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> it didn't work
Jul 14 18:07:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> I still had to do:
Jul 14 18:08:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 
Jul 14 18:08:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> n
Jul 14 18:08:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> p
Jul 14 18:08:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> etc...
Jul 14 18:19:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> larsc, Martix http://www.pastie.org/2213727
Jul 14 18:22:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> I rebooted right after this paste
Jul 14 18:22:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> and here's the new paste after the reboot:
Jul 14 18:22:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://www.pastie.org/2213740
Jul 14 18:23:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://www.pastie.org/2213743
Jul 14 18:23:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> I didn't reboot between the last past and the one right before
Jul 14 18:35:36 <larsc> hm, so it works sometimes?
Jul 14 18:38:22 <Martix> PaulFertser: are you sure that automatic drive strength is always best for every card?
Jul 14 18:39:11 <Martix> I looked at souce and I know it depends on frequency, but there are many different SD cards
Jul 14 18:40:03 <Martix> GNUtoo|laptop: try (s)lower value
Jul 14 18:40:06 <PaulFertser> Martix: it's larsc's invention, i'm sure it's not "best" for every card i.e. it'll sometimes be stronger than minimally needed i think but it should work for all cards.
Jul 14 18:56:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> sorry, electricity problem
Jul 14 18:56:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> what's the slowest value?
Jul 14 18:59:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> should I forece the "strength"
Jul 14 19:00:41 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo|laptop: it seems like you're looking in the wrong direction, imho. With your 16Gb card you seem to be having a software problem, not hardware.
Jul 14 19:01:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 14 19:01:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's what I tought at first because of what larsc said
Jul 14 19:01:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> about the sd stack issue
Jul 14 19:02:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> the problem lower in the stack
Jul 14 19:02:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> larsc, yes it worked that time
Jul 14 19:02:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I created the partition on the freerunner right before
Jul 14 19:02:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/created/re-created/
Jul 14 19:02:57 <apt> GNUtoo|laptop meant: but I re-created the partition on the freerunner right before
Jul 14 19:07:44 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo|laptop: (created right before) i guess you had the partition table in the kernel cache.
Jul 14 19:08:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> I rebooted
Jul 14 19:08:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> 1)create the partition
Jul 14 19:08:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2)mount it etc...
Jul 14 19:08:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> play some audio
Jul 14 19:08:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> 3)reboot
Jul 14 19:08:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> 4)it's still there
Jul 14 19:10:21 <PaulFertser> Damn, now that's strange.
Jul 14 19:10:36 <larsc> GNUtoo|laptop: one thing you could do is compare the partition table between a working and a non working version
Jul 14 19:12:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 14 19:12:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 is sufficent?
Jul 14 19:12:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> or should I go more in depth
Jul 14 19:12:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> like with hexdump -C
Jul 14 19:13:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> or is there a better tool?
Jul 14 19:17:35 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo|laptop: hexdump is more interesting.
Jul 14 19:27:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> sorry wifi issues
Jul 14 19:31:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow I'm reading the SHR manual and I found out things
Jul 14 19:31:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> like shelf reconfiguration
Jul 14 19:31:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> or that:
Jul 14 19:31:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_keyboard#Arrow_keys_disfunction
Jul 14 19:52:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> sorry for all the problems
Jul 14 20:42:14 <angelox|laptop> morphis: ping!
Jul 14 20:42:22 <morphis> angelox|laptop: pong
Jul 14 20:42:29 <PaulFertser> 23:12 < PaulFertser> GNUtoo|laptop: hexdump is more interesting.
Jul 14 20:43:04 <angelox|laptop> morphis: i'd need a slider component to make the brightness control,could you,when you have some time,import it from meego? 
Jul 14 20:43:07 <angelox|laptop> hi btw :)
Jul 14 20:44:29 <morphis> angelox|laptop: yes, I can do
Jul 14 20:44:48 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r45d303baba4d 10/aurora-components/components/Dialpad.qml: aurora-components: a long click on the revert button will remove all characters now
Jul 14 20:44:49 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rb5a6adaab157 10/ (11 files in 2 dirs): aurora-components: implement system menu to control some device settings
Jul 14 20:45:26 <angelox|laptop> morphis: thank you
Jul 14 20:45:46 <morphis> no problem
Jul 14 20:45:51 <morphis> maybe this weekend
Jul 14 20:46:48 <angelox|laptop> ok,i didn't commited things to aurora because i'm thinking in the app's title area,i want to turn it a bit more beautiful :)
Jul 14 20:46:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> PaulFertser, thanks
Jul 14 20:51:58 <morphis> so I am off
Jul 14 20:51:58 <morphis> gn8
Jul 14 21:06:36 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r1308f61d33d5 10aurora/ (3 files in 3 dirs): aurora-general: add,for development,settings app as default to be loaded
Jul 14 21:06:36 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r57b32c5fbf26 10aurora/aurora-applications/configure.ac: aurora-applications: even forget configure.ac
Jul 14 21:06:36 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r32c6a92159c2 10aurora/aurora-theme/m4/ (5 files): aurora-theme: don't know why,but need this to generate autogen.sh,when fixed,i'll revert this commit
Jul 14 21:06:37 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r4933c4784530 10aurora/ (4 files in 2 dirs): aurora-settings: new way to manage settings's startup
Jul 14 21:06:38 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r74954a68740b 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (List.qml SettingButtonStyle.qml SettingsPage.qml): aurora-settings: add margin and some other options on settings page
Jul 14 21:06:38 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r634cecbb513a 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (AboutPage.qml Application.qml List.qml SettingsPage.qml): aurora-settings: Complete pre-call of pages of settings
Jul 14 21:06:39 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * rfe7008c073be 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (5 files): aurora-settings/wireless: start Wireless page
Jul 14 21:06:39 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * rcb75b531eced 10aurora/aurora-theme/data/theme/icons/apps/wireless.png: aurora-theme: add wireless icon for future use
Jul 14 21:06:43 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * rc628ba0955d4 10aurora/aurora-theme/data/theme/icons/Makefile.am: aurora-theme: add to Makefile.am new icon
Jul 14 21:06:43 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r393a40146246 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (6 files): aurora-settings: this way makes it more beauty
Jul 14 21:06:43 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r103b69c3813a 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (4 files): 
Jul 14 21:06:43 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: aurora-settings/wireless:
Jul 14 21:06:43 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org:  * Make visual more beauty
Jul 14 21:06:44 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org:  * Fix recognition between a Checkbox element and a GotoPage element
Jul 14 21:06:44 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org:  * Add description to Wireless items
Jul 14 21:06:45 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r2716b427ec84 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/WirelessPage.qml: aurora-settings/wireless: add logs
Jul 14 21:06:49 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * rec54051de4e4 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (WirelessList.qml WirelessListStyle.qml WirelessPage.qml): aurora-settings/wireless: Now kernel systemmanager will see checkboxes
Jul 14 21:06:49 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r18f2e959160b 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/Application.qml: aurora-settings: remove Application.qml,not used right now
Jul 14 21:06:49 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r7145b300a642 10aurora/aurora-components/components/Makefile.am: aurora-components: ever forget makefile.am
Jul 14 21:06:49 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r1b8b6ba349c6 10aurora/ (2 files in 2 dirs): aurora-general: remove icon and restore agents
Jul 14 21:06:49 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r32929705fbbb 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (9 files in 3 dirs): aurora-applications/settings: some cosmetics and start GPS
Jul 14 21:06:55 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r24bbc8909fc3 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (7 files in 3 dirs): aurora-settings: Start Display page,also add Sound page to list
Jul 14 21:06:55 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * rc3ac96943463 10aurora/aurora-daemon/aurora/extensions/agents.py: aurora-daemon: just a test,this maybe will be reverted
Jul 14 21:06:55 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * ra905f9083789 10aurora/aurora-theme/data/theme/icons/apps/ (audio.png info.png wireless.png): aurora-themes: add some icons
Jul 14 21:06:55 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r4bccaf855694 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (5 files in 2 dirs): aurora-settings/display: fix power-saving mode
Jul 14 21:06:55 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r5bc59349ef2c 10aurora/aurora-daemon/aurora/extensions/agents.py: resolving problems with git needs change this agents.py
Jul 14 21:07:01 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r0ffc3a7f0925 10aurora/aurora-daemon/aurora/extensions/agents.py: aurora-daemon: add getBrightness,not sure if it'll work right now
Jul 14 21:07:01 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * rd125da859ec8 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/WirelessPage.qml: 
Jul 14 21:07:01 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: aurora-settings/wireless: fix checkbox activation
Jul 14 21:07:01 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: now user do not need double-click into the checkbox
Jul 14 21:07:02 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: to see it activated
Jul 14 21:07:02 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r7aa852430865 10aurora/ (3 files in 2 dirs): aurora-systemmanager: Only a test for Vala
Jul 14 21:07:02 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r8d8ed220ccef 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (Display/DisplayOptionsList.qml SettingsPage.qml): 
Jul 14 21:07:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: aurora-settings:
Jul 14 21:07:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: * Add first sketch of options list for Display
Jul 14 21:07:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: * Fix appearing from the last item on Settings App
Jul 14 21:07:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * rc9dc95f91ca7 10aurora/aurora-components/components/Makefile.am: 
Jul 14 21:07:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: Revert "aurora-components: ever forget makefile.am"
Jul 14 21:07:12 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit baa8185ac1bba22e460c37837a1a1dd6d7b7a37e.
Jul 14 21:07:12 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: There's no more slider.
Jul 14 21:07:13 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r9065d8906dc3 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
Jul 14 21:07:13 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: aurora-settings/wireless: now we can handle checkboxes states before user
Jul 14 21:07:14 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: check them
Jul 14 21:08:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r86ae992e0b36 10aurora/aurora-components/components/ (AppTitle.qml Makefile.am qmldir): aurora-components: add component AppTitle
Jul 14 21:08:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r704c922cf00e 10aurora/aurora-components/components/ (AppTitle.qml Makefile.am qmldir): 
Jul 14 21:08:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: Revert "aurora-components: add component AppTitle"
Jul 14 21:08:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 016571e5f63bfd5ac404aee73f9205dd3ccca27d.
Jul 14 21:08:11 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: will not use this right now,maybe in Master!
Jul 14 21:08:39 <angelox|laptop> sorry for that,i don't tough that would take all this space :(
Jul 14 21:16:26 <angelox|laptop> oh oh,morphis forgot git add SystemMenu.qml 
Jul 14 21:55:01 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, (emtooth) nice to hear that :) is it working correctly? which rev are you using?
Jul 14 21:56:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> the one in oe I guess
Jul 14 21:56:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> be back soon
Jul 14 21:58:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically I've some issues
Jul 14 21:58:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> but they comes from bluetoothd
Jul 14 21:58:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> the main issue
Jul 14 21:58:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> is that bluetoothd is not launched by fso
Jul 14 21:59:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> it should be launched by fso 
Jul 14 21:59:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> and that launch should be controlled by config
Jul 14 21:59:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> so if you still have udev
Jul 14 21:59:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> it still work
Jul 14 22:02:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, will you do it?
Jul 14 22:02:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> or do I have to do it?
Jul 14 22:02:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've not a lot of time theses days
Jul 14 22:02:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> (hollidays => less time)
Jul 14 22:06:05 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, I don't know enough about FSO or the best way to do it, so I'm waiting for mickely to implement it. If you are interested in doing it, you can find related info in #499 in fso bugtracker afair
Jul 14 22:07:29 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/499
Jul 14 22:08:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm very interested since I need it
Jul 14 22:08:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm tired of launching bluetoothd manually each time
Jul 14 22:08:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> that loose me some time
Jul 14 22:09:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> and implementing it will fix that
Jul 14 22:09:22 <pespin> if you wanna implement it I'll be happy to help :)
Jul 14 22:09:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> I do it because nobody else does it
Jul 14 22:09:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's all
Jul 14 22:09:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> and also because I really need it
Jul 14 22:10:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> *I'll
Jul 14 22:10:10 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, but as you can see, it needs a bit of thinking before implementing.
Jul 14 22:10:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> really?
Jul 14 22:10:49 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, FSO should start bluetoothd and only tell the requesting app once bluez is completelly loaded
Jul 14 22:11:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Jul 14 22:11:43 <pespin> else can happen that the app accesses bluez and the dbus service is not started yet.
Jul 14 22:12:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 14 22:12:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> what is started?
Jul 14 22:12:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> how can I know its started
Jul 14 22:12:20 <pespin> so imo fso should load bluetoothd when you request the Bluetooth resource
Jul 14 22:12:31 <pespin> and once it's loaded, tell the app that bluetooth is ready to be used
Jul 14 22:12:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> and kill it when I release the resource
Jul 14 22:12:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
Jul 14 22:12:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes I understood that
Jul 14 22:12:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I mean
Jul 14 22:12:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> fso launch bluetooth
Jul 14 22:13:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> and then what should fso listen for to know bluetoothd is started completely
Jul 14 22:13:31 <pespin> that's a good question :P
Jul 14 22:13:42 <pespin> you could ask for localdevice
Jul 14 22:13:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> hci0
Jul 14 22:13:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes good idea
Jul 14 22:13:59 <pespin> using the dbus api
Jul 14 22:14:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> if hci0 appears on the bus
Jul 14 22:14:09 <pespin> once you get a good response, send msg to the app
Jul 14 22:14:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> then bluetoothd is started
Jul 14 22:14:25 <pespin> wait, I'll tell you which dbus msg is it
Jul 14 22:14:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I wonder
Jul 14 22:14:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> if fso could do it
Jul 14 22:14:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> the app could do it too
Jul 14 22:14:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> like for instance
Jul 14 22:14:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> 1)app request bt
Jul 14 22:15:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2)fso enables bt  and launch bluetoothd
Jul 14 22:15:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> 3)app wait for hci0
Jul 14 22:15:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> 4)app does what it's supposed to do
Jul 14 22:15:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> but you're right
Jul 14 22:15:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe it's better in fso
Jul 14 22:15:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> since it's device specific
Jul 14 22:16:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe if you find something to listen for that is generic 
Jul 14 22:16:02 <pespin> yeah, app could handle it too, but it's easier for devs if fso takes care of it
Jul 14 22:16:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> it could be done in the app
Jul 14 22:16:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 14 22:16:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> but basically fso listen for something
Jul 14 22:16:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> then send a signal to the app
Jul 14 22:16:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> and the app listen for that signal
Jul 14 22:16:29 <pespin> and I didn't to it because I don't know how to do it exactly neither
Jul 14 22:16:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> so
Jul 14 22:16:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> bluetoothd->fso->app
Jul 14 22:16:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> I can try
Jul 14 22:16:58 <pespin> for bluez availability yes
Jul 14 22:17:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> however I really think that it can be done in the app too
Jul 14 22:17:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> because you listen for a signal, and then re-send a signal?
Jul 14 22:18:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> btw I've a suggestion
Jul 14 22:18:05 <pespin> or it could be done with the app setting up and agent
Jul 14 22:18:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> and agent???
Jul 14 22:18:50 <pespin> s/an/and/
Jul 14 22:18:50 <apt> pespin meant: or it could be done with the app setting up andd agent
Jul 14 22:18:55 <pespin> the other way sorry
Jul 14 22:18:56 <pespin> u.u
Jul 14 22:19:25 <pespin> yeah, fso specifies a given method name in its specs
Jul 14 22:20:09 <pespin> and it has a "registerAgent" method somewhere where you pass the object path to the method you need to implement as a client
Jul 14 22:20:23 <pespin> and the FSO calls tour method when bluez is available
Jul 14 22:20:51 <pespin> that's used in several places in Bluez and OpenObex dbus api
Jul 14 22:21:08 <pespin> for instance, when requesting PIN for pairing or sending/receving a file
Jul 14 22:21:16 <pespin> but it looks quite complex for what we want here
Jul 14 22:22:49 <pespin> I could add some "while(true) { if(is_available()) break; else sleep 2 }" in my app
Jul 14 22:23:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 14 22:23:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> while true is evil
Jul 14 22:23:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> I should rather integrate with the mainloop
Jul 14 22:23:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> or glib listen for a signal
Jul 14 22:25:30 <pespin> yeah, I already use it with ecore_loop_iterate() or soemthing similar in another part of the app
Jul 14 22:26:01 <pespin> but I don't know how to do the is_available(9 func
Jul 14 22:28:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> just listen for a dbus signal
Jul 14 22:28:07 <pespin> which one¿?
Jul 14 22:28:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> when a path appear on dbus
Jul 14 22:28:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> I think it emits a signal
Jul 14 22:28:34 <pespin> really?
Jul 14 22:28:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm not sure
Jul 14 22:28:42 <pespin> wow, I don't know how to use that though
Jul 14 22:28:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> just try with mdbus2 -s
Jul 14 22:28:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> just try with mdbus2 -s -l
Jul 14 22:29:22 <pespin> ok, I'll try next day, I'm going to sleep in few mins now
Jul 14 22:30:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> [SIGNAL] org.freedesktop.DBus.NameOwnerChanged  /org/freedesktop/DBus  org.freedesktop.DBus
Jul 14 22:30:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> ("org.bluez","",":1.27")
Jul 14 22:30:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> similar stuff
Jul 14 22:30:38 <pespin> ah nice ;D
Jul 14 22:30:49 <pespin> I'll play with that next time I have some time
Jul 14 22:31:13 <pespin> but it would be nice if you could implement the "start bluetoothd on Bluetooth resource request" part in FSO :)
Jul 14 22:32:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> [SIGNAL] org.bluez.Adapter.DeviceFound  /org/bluez/499/hci0  :1.27
Jul 14 22:32:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> see
Jul 14 22:32:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's easy
Jul 14 22:32:18 <pespin> yep
Jul 14 22:33:07 <pespin> ok I'll do the "bluetoothd available" part in app :)
Jul 14 22:33:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe we should ask to mickeyl
Jul 14 22:33:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> what is better
Jul 14 22:33:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> ask mickeyl and do what he said
Jul 14 22:34:49 <pespin> ok
Jul 14 22:35:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> btw maybe you could add a system thing in your app?
Jul 14 22:35:33 <pespin> maybe FSO could listen and wait for that signal to arrive before sending the RequestResource("Bluetooth") response
Jul 14 22:35:42 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, which one?
Jul 14 22:35:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> that system thing would make bluetooth settings part of the system
Jul 14 22:35:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> like be part of bluetooth.conf
Jul 14 22:35:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah maybe it's a bad idea
Jul 14 22:36:00 <pespin> hmm
Jul 14 22:36:05 <pespin> it would need root rights then?
Jul 14 22:36:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe better rewrite a command-line only thing
Jul 14 22:36:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes 
Jul 14 22:36:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> bad idea
Jul 14 22:36:18 <pespin> bad idea yes hehe
Jul 14 22:36:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> it was to make the app consume less CPU
Jul 14 22:36:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> CPU is precious on the freerunner
Jul 14 22:36:43 <pespin> what do you have to change?
Jul 14 22:36:55 <pespin> (I suppouse that bluetooth.conf is in /etc?)
Jul 14 22:37:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> forget about it
Jul 14 22:37:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll think of some better way
Jul 14 22:37:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> I need to go to bed now
Jul 14 22:37:37 <pespin> maybe some of the options you wnana change can be modified using dbus API
Jul 14 22:37:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 14 22:37:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> but there is the request part
Jul 14 22:37:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> that is problematic
Jul 14 22:38:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> that would need to be handled in shr-settings
Jul 14 22:38:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> so in fso
Jul 14 22:38:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> like manual setup for bluetooth
Jul 14 22:38:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> in shr-settings
Jul 14 22:38:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> slide auto to manual
Jul 14 22:38:29 <pespin> it's there already
Jul 14 22:38:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> and slide off to on
Jul 14 22:38:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
Jul 14 22:38:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's what I'm talking about
Jul 14 22:38:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> so when you do that
Jul 14 22:39:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> it would somehow use your system settings
Jul 14 22:39:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> but that's for later
Jul 14 22:39:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> let's re-talk before implementing that
Jul 14 22:39:19 <pespin> nop
Jul 14 22:39:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> first request bluetoothd
Jul 14 22:39:33 <pespin> Manual bluetooth just send dbus message to fso
Jul 14 22:39:40 <pespin> so no system rights needed for shr-settings
Jul 14 22:39:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes I know
Jul 14 22:39:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 14 22:39:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> we're confused
Jul 14 22:39:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> we don't talk about the same thing
Jul 14 22:40:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tought:
Jul 14 22:40:09 <pespin> heh it's late :P
Jul 14 22:40:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> when you send a bluetooth request from shr-settings
Jul 14 22:40:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> using the manual button
Jul 14 22:40:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> magic occur somewhere
Jul 14 22:40:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> not in shr-settings
Jul 14 22:40:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> but in fso or somewhere else
Jul 14 22:40:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> and you get your system bluetooth config that works 
Jul 14 22:41:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> but it's late
Jul 14 22:41:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it's not top priority
Jul 14 22:41:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> it already works fine with your app
Jul 14 22:41:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> if we launch bluetoothd before.....
Jul 14 22:41:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> so we fix that
Jul 14 22:41:25 <pespin> we can talk about it another day if you want :)
Jul 14 22:41:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> and then it will be great
Jul 14 22:41:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
Jul 14 22:41:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> better
Jul 14 22:41:41 <pespin> I'm quite tired, I'll go to sleep
Jul 14 22:41:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, basically I think I will slow down my porting
Jul 14 22:41:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> and concentrate on om-gta02
Jul 14 22:41:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> for freedom reasons
Jul 14 22:42:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> and because it's well integrated
Jul 14 22:42:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> we even have xrandr -o 1 that works on om-gta02
Jul 14 22:42:22 <pespin> there's work to do everywhere, so you are welcome to do what you prefer :)
Jul 14 22:42:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> everything works or nearly works
Jul 14 22:42:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> btw videos works on freerunner if you 320x240 it
Jul 14 22:42:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll go bye
Jul 14 22:43:05 <pespin> and this bluetoothd thing, it's been annoying us for some time now, so if you get it to work, would be great!
Jul 14 22:43:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll try
Jul 14 22:43:19 <pespin> ok, thanks :)
Jul 14 22:43:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> no guarantees as usual
Jul 14 22:43:25 <pespin> hehe np
Jul 14 22:43:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> try means first I try to find the time
Jul 14 22:43:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> and then if I've the time I try to code something
Jul 14 22:43:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> bye
Jul 14 22:43:49 <pespin> bye!
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