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Jul 20 07:12:12 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r36419769b53e 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: add DISTRO_FEATURES_LIBC from oe-core to our DISTRO_FEATURES
Jul 20 08:50:50 <JaMa> moin
Jul 20 08:58:58 <HeinervdmWork> moin
Jul 20 10:46:45 <GarthPS> moin
Jul 20 10:48:06 <JaMa> moin
Jul 20 11:30:25 <mrmoku> moin moin
Jul 20 13:38:28 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: JaMa : what is reponsible of /dev/pts node/mounting point on the GTA02? as there is no /dev/pts line in /etc/fstab but there is still a mounted /dev/pts ..
Jul 20 13:40:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> udev
Jul 20 13:40:46 <mrmoku> udev?
Jul 20 13:40:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> or devtmpfs
Jul 20 13:40:50 <mrmoku> :)
Jul 20 13:40:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> I guess so
Jul 20 13:40:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> it populate /dev
Jul 20 13:41:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's absent when udev doesn't work
Jul 20 13:42:00 <mrmoku> it's the mountdevsubfs.sh
Jul 20 13:42:05 <mrmoku> initscript from shr-initscripts
Jul 20 13:42:31 <mrmoku> mount -n -t devpts devpts /dev/pts -ogid=${TTYGRP},mode=${TTYMODE}
Jul 20 13:45:59 <GarthPS> GNUtoo|laptop: I think it is not udev as there is not /bin/*udev* in the fs
Jul 20 13:46:27 <JaMa> btw morphis bumped msmcomm SRCREV to something which needs newer cornucopia, can we use cornucopia HEAD now?
Jul 20 13:46:41 <mrmoku> GarthPS: ^^ mountdevusbfs.sh
Jul 20 13:46:50 <JaMa> at least he needs this commit http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=commit;h=7b9f1e7636d8e4b14c49ec296b7ec0b4d4316831
Jul 20 13:47:29 <mrmoku> JaMa: cornucopia saw lots of changes from morphis... did not try it but my guess would be it should be fine
Jul 20 13:48:22 <GarthPS> mrmoku: ok thx . So now I need to see if it is already used in the SHR image for palm pre devices because for now /dev/pts is mounted via an fstab line and it does not work.. 
Jul 20 13:48:25 <GarthPS> devpts               /dev/pts             devpts     mode=0620,gid=5       0  0
Jul 20 13:48:27 <GarthPS> gives
Jul 20 13:48:36 <GarthPS> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw)
Jul 20 13:48:50 <GarthPS> mounted and then a ssh connection can not work..
Jul 20 13:48:58 <GarthPS> so I need to fix this
Jul 20 13:49:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> GarthPS, ok
Jul 20 13:50:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> bbl
Jul 20 14:00:03 <mrmoku> GarthPS: hmm... it should be there for palmpre too
Jul 20 14:00:19 <mrmoku> GarthPS: maybe just try with that fstab line removed?
Jul 20 14:17:19 <GarthPS> mrmoku: yes it is there and exactly the same. I have tried without the line but still the same issue..(no ssh possible)
Jul 20 14:17:42 <GarthPS> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw)	for pre2 
Jul 20 14:17:51 <GarthPS> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,gid=5,mode=620) for gta02
Jul 20 14:19:10 <JaMa> and do you have crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 Jul 20 16:13 /dev/ptmx ?
Jul 20 14:20:16 <GarthPS> JaMa: yes
Jul 20 14:20:18 <GarthPS> crw-rw-rw-    1 root     root        5,   2 Jul 20 10:04 /dev/ptmx
Jul 20 15:05:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> Weiss, hi
Jul 20 15:28:59 <angelox|laptop> would someone please upload some libnl2 source code to me? i can't find anyone working :\
Jul 20 15:33:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> what do you want to acchieve?
Jul 20 15:34:13 <GNUtoo|laptop>   http://www.infradead.org/~tgr/libnl/files/libnl-${PV}.tar.gz \
Jul 20 15:34:31 <angelox|laptop> every libnl i can compile,but when i start compiling cornucopia(starting libfsobasis) i get a lot of errors
Jul 20 15:35:01 <angelox|laptop> that one doesn't help...
Jul 20 15:36:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> changing libnl2 source code won't magically solve your problem
Jul 20 15:36:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> first tell what your problem is
Jul 20 15:36:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> in detail
Jul 20 15:36:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> first we switched to libnl 2.0
Jul 20 15:36:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> so you need only libnl2.0
Jul 20 15:37:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> if you have libnl1 in sysroot
Jul 20 15:37:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> it will makes errors
Jul 20 15:37:28 <angelox|laptop> Yes,i got a lot of sources codes of libnl2.0 (from debian,slackware,repos), i get undefined reference to `rtnl_addr_alloc_cache
Jul 20 15:42:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> then you have a linking problem
Jul 20 15:42:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> taking from debian slackware etc....won't change a thing
Jul 20 15:42:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> that seem to be from libnl1
Jul 20 15:42:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> remove libnl1 and restart the compilation with libnl2 only
Jul 20 15:42:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> you can't have libnl1 and libnl2 staged at the same time
Jul 20 15:43:05 <angelox|n900> hmm pc disconnected and i didnt see
Jul 20 15:43:12 <angelox|n900> let me login again
Jul 20 15:53:52 <angelox|n900> ouch,it want not to work :(
Jul 20 15:54:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> did you did what I said?
Jul 20 15:55:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> what's the last message you saw from me?
Jul 20 15:56:51 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: do you have a clue ? about this devpts ?
Jul 20 15:58:51 <angelox|laptop> GNUtoo|laptop: yes,i'm using libnl2 
Jul 20 15:59:05 <angelox|laptop> only it
Jul 20 16:00:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 20 16:00:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> are you sure there are no trace of libnl1 in staging/sysroot ?
Jul 20 16:01:18 <angelox|laptop> i'm bbl,some minutes please
Jul 20 16:01:28 <angelox|n900> dinner :)
Jul 20 17:07:04 <morphis> heyho
Jul 20 17:08:25 <GNUtoo> ~/join #replicat
Jul 20 17:08:32 <GNUtoo> oops
Jul 20 17:08:34 <GNUtoo> hi
Jul 20 17:21:55 <morphis> GNUtoo: you wrote to HP|Palm
Jul 20 17:23:45 <morphis> GNUtoo: ?
Jul 20 17:25:31 <morphis> GNUtoo: btw. my device is already on the way, got the shipment id
Jul 20 17:30:31 <GarthPS> morphis: cool! :)
Jul 20 17:34:47 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: have you tried what mrmoku said? 15:54:42 < mrmoku> GarthPS: maybe just try with that fstab line removed?
Jul 20 17:35:03 <JaMa|Off> ahh seems so ..
Jul 20 17:35:31 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: yop
Jul 20 17:35:37 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: do you have terminal on that device?
Jul 20 17:36:09 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: hm ~ I can try 
Jul 20 17:36:18 <JaMa|Off> sometimes I have similar problem on my spitz
Jul 20 17:36:23 <GarthPS> (some time I don't see th prompt..)
Jul 20 17:36:35 <JaMa|Off> local login works but ssh says the same error
Jul 20 17:36:50 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: It occures on each new freesh image I build for my pre2
Jul 20 17:37:00 <JaMa|Off> but "mount" shows /dev/pts mounted, but actually it doesn't work untill I remount it again
Jul 20 17:40:49 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: same here I have to do a echo "none /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0" >> /etc/fstab then a mount -a for it to work
Jul 20 17:42:58 <JaMa|Off> iirc you said that you _have_ /dev/pts in fstab, right?
Jul 20 17:49:07 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: maybe check kernel config? UNIX98_PTYS/CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES ?
Jul 20 17:49:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, yes
Jul 20 17:49:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> I wrote to them
Jul 20 17:52:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa|Off, you're off but you should ping me later
Jul 20 17:52:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'd like to switch to shr-core
Jul 20 17:52:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I cannot 
Jul 20 17:52:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tried more than 10 times
Jul 20 17:52:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> and everytime I had a compilation error
Jul 20 17:52:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> I was told to bugreport
Jul 20 17:53:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> I did
Jul 20 17:53:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> but then the bug got classified
Jul 20 17:53:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> and no one commented
Jul 20 17:55:06 <JaMa> do you have link to that bug?
Jul 20 17:56:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
Jul 20 17:56:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1209
Jul 20 17:57:04 <angelox|laptop> GNUtoo|laptop: Hi
Jul 20 17:57:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox|laptop, hi
Jul 20 17:57:54 <angelox|laptop> GNUtoo|laptop: Sorry,my router isn't working 'again :( ' and only now i got a direct connection only to say to you that i'll be off to fix it
Jul 20 17:58:09 <angelox|laptop> so sorry leaved you talking alone :)
Jul 20 17:58:10 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: did you use oe-core-contrib/shr branch?
Jul 20 17:58:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 20 17:58:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, what's that?
Jul 20 17:58:34 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: that's what SHR makefile checkouts by default
Jul 20 17:58:37 <angelox|laptop> cya
Jul 20 17:58:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 20 17:58:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> what should I do then?
Jul 20 17:58:57 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: did you or no?
Jul 20 17:59:18 <JaMa> because if not than it's because nobody updated meta-smartphone when I was away..
Jul 20 17:59:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> did I what?
Jul 20 17:59:41 <JaMa> 19:52:31 < JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: did you use oe-core-contrib/shr branch?
Jul 20 17:59:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
Jul 20 17:59:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> I didn't 
Jul 20 17:59:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> should I?
Jul 20 18:00:03 <JaMa> oe-core-contrib/shr was fine, because it was "old" enough
Jul 20 18:00:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Jul 20 18:00:24 <JaMa> as only me is merging oe-core/master to it when it's ready and tested
Jul 20 18:00:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> I want something I can contribbute to
Jul 20 18:01:07 <JaMa> and yesterday I've updated meta-smartphone to be compatible again with oe-core/master (and updated oe-core-contrib/shr too)
Jul 20 18:01:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> ahh ok
Jul 20 18:01:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll try again then
Jul 20 18:01:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> should I change something in my manual setup?
Jul 20 18:02:06 <JaMa> there are few smaller issues with python and perl parser, but this bug was fixed by http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=commit;h=36419769b53eb2895d3c39b21384c07dcbda8bb7
Jul 20 18:02:44 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: use oe-core-contrib/shr and meta-oe-contrib/shr or you have to know what's going on in master branches
Jul 20 18:03:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah right I remember about libc stuff
Jul 20 18:03:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> can I go to eat?
Jul 20 18:03:57 <JaMa> sure :)
Jul 20 18:04:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok thanks
Jul 20 18:04:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll be back right after
Jul 20 18:19:03 <GarthPS> JaMa: yes I have /dev/pts in fstab
Jul 20 18:19:28 <GarthPS> JaMa: I captainigloo check the kernel config directly fro the device right ?
Jul 20 18:25:24 <JaMa> GarthPS: if you gave configs enabled in kernel or available as module and you load it, then yes
Jul 20 18:25:41 <JaMa> opkg install kernel-module-configs; modprobe configs; zcat /proc/config.gz
Jul 20 18:26:56 <GarthPS> JaMa: ok I will check if I have multiples pts enabled
Jul 20 18:28:10 <JaMa> I'm not saying that you have to.. but maybe it doesn't like to be mounted from initscripts and fstab..
Jul 20 18:33:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> back
Jul 20 18:33:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've to reboot
Jul 20 18:33:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> bbs
Jul 20 18:41:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, what's the difference between meta-smartphone and the other thing, and where does the other thing lives?
Jul 20 18:42:48 <JaMa> what other thing?
Jul 20 18:42:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> let me find it in the logs
Jul 20 18:43:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> oe-core-contrib/shr
Jul 20 18:43:10 <GNUtoo|laptop>   + meta-oe-contrib/shr
Jul 20 18:43:10 <JaMa> http://git.openembedded.org/
Jul 20 18:43:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Jul 20 18:43:19 <JaMa> http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded-core-contrib/log/?h=shr
Jul 20 18:43:22 <JaMa> see Makefile
Jul 20 18:44:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 20 18:44:47 <angelox|laptop> GNUtoo|laptop: you're too busy right now or we can continue that conversation ?
Jul 20 18:44:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> what is the more up to date one?
Jul 20 18:45:34 <angelox|laptop> what that mean? 
Jul 20 18:45:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox|laptop, could you sum up the conversation
Jul 20 18:45:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
Jul 20 18:46:30 <angelox|laptop> ok
Jul 20 18:47:02 <angelox|laptop> i'm trying compile cornucopia on my host but i get errors like this " http://pastebin.com/v6QXz2uZ "
Jul 20 18:47:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok so you meant the libnl1/2 conversation
Jul 20 18:47:36 <angelox|laptop> since i'm building from scratch,i've build a lot of libnl2 sources (got from a lot of places) and i ever get that
Jul 20 18:47:37 <angelox|laptop> yes
Jul 20 18:48:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> you should ensure that you have only libnl1 in sysroot/staging
Jul 20 18:48:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> first do that
Jul 20 18:48:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> alternatively you can look at log.do_configure
Jul 20 18:48:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> to look which one it picks
Jul 20 18:48:31 <angelox|laptop> but i'm not using openembedded
Jul 20 18:48:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> better looking at configure log
Jul 20 18:48:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> what are you using?
Jul 20 18:49:01 <angelox|laptop> i'm building it from my host to my host..
Jul 20 18:49:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox|laptop, ah ok
Jul 20 18:49:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> then re-run ./configure
Jul 20 18:49:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> and pastebin the output
Jul 20 18:49:34 <angelox|laptop> ok
Jul 20 18:50:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi Weiss larsc 
Jul 20 18:52:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, binutils now fails
Jul 20 18:53:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> NOTE: package binutils-cross-2.21.1-r2: task do_compile: Failed
Jul 20 18:53:44 <angelox|laptop> GNUtoo|laptop: http://pastebin.com/sKMZ3KSN
Jul 20 18:53:51 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: log
Jul 20 18:54:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's what I'm getting right now
Jul 20 18:55:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> there are error at many points
Jul 20 18:55:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll wait for pastebin
Jul 20 18:55:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> since the log is long it freeze my browser
Jul 20 18:56:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> so I cannot look at angelox|laptop 's lot yet
Jul 20 18:56:49 <angelox|laptop> np,but all configure seems to be fine
Jul 20 18:57:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> arg it's more than 100kb
Jul 20 18:57:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll upload to my server
Jul 20 18:58:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/downloads/people/JaMa/log.do_compile.7661
Jul 20 18:59:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> the error seem to be that one:
Jul 20 18:59:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> binutils-cross-2.21.1-r2/binutils-2.21.1/libiberty/pex-common.c:646: error: 'struct pex_obj' has no member named 'funcs'
Jul 20 18:59:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> but there is a tons of other errors too....
Jul 20 19:00:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox|laptop, pastebin config.log
Jul 20 19:01:19 <angelox|laptop> GNUtoo|laptop: http://pastebin.com/6aXAx9Ku
Jul 20 19:02:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox|laptop, you installed libnl not from your distro?
Jul 20 19:02:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> it seem so
Jul 20 19:03:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> does your distro have the 2.0 version?
Jul 20 19:03:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> and have some -dev packages
Jul 20 19:04:12 <angelox|laptop> libnl2 is compiled by myself
Jul 20 19:04:30 <angelox|laptop> i have libnl installed by default in my host distro,but not libnl-dev
Jul 20 19:04:53 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: building from scratch and with clean sstate?
Jul 20 19:05:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes it's a possibility
Jul 20 19:05:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll rebuild from scraatch then
Jul 20 19:05:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> I clean tmpdir and sstate dir
Jul 20 19:05:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's all?
Jul 20 19:06:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox|laptop, your distro libnl is which version?
Jul 20 19:06:06 <JaMa> and pseudo
Jul 20 19:06:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Jul 20 19:06:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes there were pseudo issues in the log
Jul 20 19:06:34 <JaMa> I did build from scratch today and haven't seen this error..
Jul 20 19:06:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 20 19:06:58 <angelox|laptop> GNUtoo|laptop: libnl-1.1-14.fc15.x86_64
Jul 20 19:07:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 20 19:07:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> hmmm
Jul 20 19:07:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox|laptop, we must be sure it links to libnl2 etc...
Jul 20 19:09:18 <angelox|laptop> i can't remove from my pc libnl1 because a lot of things use it,and libnl-devel isn't installed,so i guess it's using my one
Jul 20 19:16:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox|laptop, don't remove libnl1
Jul 20 19:16:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> it will make network manager not work
Jul 20 19:16:45 <angelox|laptop> pkg-config --cflags --libs libnl-2.0 return : -I/opt_fso/fso/usr/include  -L/opt_fso/fso/usr/lib -lnl
Jul 20 19:16:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> and you will be unable to connect on irc
Jul 20 19:16:49 <angelox|laptop> yes i know...
Jul 20 19:16:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes but look at the actual linking
Jul 20 19:17:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> not just the flags
Jul 20 19:17:57 <JaMa> angelox|laptop: I guess you're missing -I somewhere so headers are mixed between libnl1 and libnl2.. I have seen the same with OE..
Jul 20 19:19:03 <JaMa> ah.. no, looking on wrong log..
Jul 20 19:19:41 <angelox|laptop> i'm not sure about that output..it should return at the final -lnl ?
Jul 20 19:20:23 <JaMa> depends if you have libnl.so.2 or libnl2.so
Jul 20 19:20:29 <JaMa> I guess first
Jul 20 19:21:00 <angelox|laptop> yes,it is mixing..
Jul 20 19:21:12 <angelox|laptop> find /usr/lib | grep libnl : /usr/lib/libnl.so.2
Jul 20 19:21:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> look from where it comes
Jul 20 19:21:49 <JaMa> angelox|laptop: find /opt_fso/fso/usr/lib | grep libnl
Jul 20 19:22:09 <angelox|laptop> hmm
Jul 20 19:22:32 <angelox|laptop> it returns
Jul 20 19:22:34 <angelox|laptop>  /opt_fso/fso/usr/lib/libnl.so.2
Jul 20 19:22:43 <JaMa> angelox|laptop: and libnl2 api was changed a bit so maybe /usr/lib/libnl.so.2 != /opt_fso/fso/usr/lib/libnl.so.2 wrt ABI
Jul 20 19:24:37 <JaMa> NOTE: Running task 6233 of 7064
Jul 20 19:27:09 <angelox|laptop> hmm
Jul 20 19:30:50 <angelox|laptop> this can help?
Jul 20 19:30:54 <angelox|laptop> "LIBNL_LIBS=-I/opt_fso/fso/usr/lib LIBNL_CFLAGS=-I/opt_fso/fso/usr/include  ./configure $CONF_FLAGS"
Jul 20 19:31:56 <JaMa> depends what's in config.log without (maybe the same..)
Jul 20 19:32:43 <angelox|laptop> i get a lot more of errors than without that
Jul 20 19:33:04 <angelox|laptop> http://pastebin.com/Z1nct26J
Jul 20 19:36:18 <angelox|laptop> i'll try OE's snapshots
Jul 20 19:39:34 <JaMa> OE is not using libnl snapshots anymore.. just 2.0 release
Jul 20 19:40:30 <angelox|laptop> i meant cornucopia
Jul 20 19:40:36 <JaMa> ah
Jul 20 19:40:46 <angelox|laptop> but i was using libnl2 downloaded from OE
Jul 20 19:40:49 <angelox|laptop> it was there
Jul 20 19:41:45 <JaMa> there still is libnl_git with pre 2.0 snapshot.. but libnl_2.0 is used by default
Jul 20 19:42:07 <JaMa> and it's no longer called libnl2 and we have libnl1 instead :)
Jul 20 19:43:31 <angelox|laptop> now i'm a lot more confused :) hehe
Jul 20 19:44:22 <angelox|laptop> The problem is,on my host pc,i have a Ubuntu 10.04 (x86) and Fedora 15 (x86_64) and i get the same error,and that drives me to be crazy :)
Jul 20 19:49:53 <angelox|laptop> bbl
Jul 20 20:26:14 <DrGrov> Hello
Jul 20 20:26:27 <DrGrov> I was redirected here from #e to ask a few questions I have about E on mobile phones
Jul 20 20:26:35 <DrGrov> How does it actually work? The short version is good enough :) 
Jul 20 20:27:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> DrGrov, hi
Jul 20 20:27:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> what mobile phone do you have?
Jul 20 20:27:26 <DrGrov> Hi GNUtoo|laptop 
Jul 20 20:27:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically it works but you have to know the DPI of your screen
Jul 20 20:27:54 <DrGrov> At the moment I am using a LG Optimus 2X but I have other better suited phones for experiments ;)
Jul 20 20:27:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> so it scales according to your DPI
Jul 20 20:28:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> such as?
Jul 20 20:28:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> we partially support quite some phones
Jul 20 20:28:26 <DrGrov> A Samsung Galaxy 3, Nokia N8, Nokia N73, Nokia N97. Any of those good for the task?
Jul 20 20:28:41 <DrGrov> I am sure I can get a hold of some more if those are not suitable
Jul 20 20:28:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> does any of theses run Android or GNU/Linux
Jul 20 20:29:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically here's the catch: we have a very well supported phone but it's old
Jul 20 20:29:17 <JaMa> DrGrov: Nokia N900 is already supported
Jul 20 20:29:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> so we port on newer devices
Jul 20 20:29:59 <angelox|laptop> N8 isn't Meego phone?
Jul 20 20:30:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> if getting a new phone is not a problem you should look at the support matrix that is here:
Jul 20 20:30:21 <DrGrov> No, N8 is Symbian ^3
Jul 20 20:30:28 <JaMa> angelox|laptop: N9 is
Jul 20 20:30:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison
Jul 20 20:30:38 <DrGrov> GNUtoo|laptop: The Samsung Galaxy 3 runs Android
Jul 20 20:30:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> enlightenment works fine on all of theses phones
Jul 20 20:30:50 <angelox|laptop> JaMa: Ah ok,i confused :)
Jul 20 20:30:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> the only thing to do is to add the DPI like in the porting guide
Jul 20 20:30:57 <DrGrov> My current LG Optimus 2X runs Android as well
Jul 20 20:31:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I guess you want more than enlightenment
Jul 20 20:31:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> like calls, sound etc...
Jul 20 20:31:31 <DrGrov> JaMa: Ah, then my cousin could be persuaded to test since he has the N900 which I almost gave to him.
Jul 20 20:31:40 <DrGrov> Yes, I want definitely calls, sound etc. 
Jul 20 20:31:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> here's the status of the n900 port:
Jul 20 20:31:55 <angelox|laptop> N900 call is partial iirc
Jul 20 20:31:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's a very promizing device
Jul 20 20:32:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> since the kenrel is standard
Jul 20 20:32:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> and we have source code for ofono and similar
Jul 20 20:32:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> so if you can wait a bit or want to help
Jul 20 20:32:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's the ideal recent device
Jul 20 20:32:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> however not everything works out of the box
Jul 20 20:33:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> *calls audio isn't great, mrmoku will continue to work on it as soon as newer audio routing is done
Jul 20 20:33:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> *modem support is incomplete but we have ofono source + some headers
Jul 20 20:33:24 <DrGrov> I might be able to ask my cousin tomorrow to see whether he would be interested in "borrowing" me the N900 for test purposes
Jul 20 20:33:51 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo|laptop: what about the battery life with the current kernel?
Jul 20 20:33:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> since *you* are interested try to exchange another phone with your cousin's n900
Jul 20 20:34:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> I didn't test the battery life extensively
Jul 20 20:34:18 <DrGrov> How is the port working for Android? I do not want to alter anything on my main phone which is the LG Optimus 2X but I could do it on the Samsung Galaxy 3 
Jul 20 20:34:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I guess it's worse than maemo(battery life)
Jul 20 20:34:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> define port for android
Jul 20 20:34:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> you mean porting SHR to an android phone?
Jul 20 20:35:08 <DrGrov> I actually almost gave that phone to my cousin so I could try to ask him and then hand him a spare phone for the time being. Not sure he would agree but I can always ask.
Jul 20 20:35:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> well we didn't port to the galaxy 3
Jul 20 20:35:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> so you would have to do the port
Jul 20 20:35:21 <DrGrov> Ok, so the Galaxy 3 is a no go.
Jul 20 20:35:31 <DrGrov> I go and check that link you posted, GNUtoo|laptop and see what is there.
Jul 20 20:35:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's a no-go if you don't want to invest a lot of time in it
Jul 20 20:35:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> but it can work if you have a lot of time
Jul 20 20:35:50 <DrGrov> Well, I have a lot of time
Jul 20 20:35:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> like a year part time 
Jul 20 20:36:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> try on the n900 first tough
Jul 20 20:36:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> so you have an idea of it
Jul 20 20:36:36 * angelox|laptop thinks that patience is also necessary :)
Jul 20 20:36:49 <DrGrov> I have patience
Jul 20 20:37:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> Android is well known now but you'll face a lot of issues if you port to an android phone that is different from one we have
Jul 20 20:37:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> for instance you could have a non-standard wifi chip
Jul 20 20:37:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> have a non-standard modem
Jul 20 20:37:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> etc...
Jul 20 20:37:34 <DrGrov> I spent the last weekend night between Friday and Saturday trying to get my HTC Sensation back in condition, nothing hardware but software. I spent 16 or 17 hours trying with it before I decided to hand it over to the reseller and change for the LG Optimus 2X.
Jul 20 20:37:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jul 20 20:37:48 <DrGrov> So I am quite sure I have the patience required to do this
Jul 20 20:38:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes, the problem is that all non-standard and non-documented stuff will slow you down
Jul 20 20:38:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> the n900 is your best bet
Jul 20 20:38:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> try to get back the n900
Jul 20 20:38:27 <DrGrov> Yes, I think that would be the way to go.
Jul 20 20:38:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's almost straingtforward for the n900 but require some work to be done still
Jul 20 20:38:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> we lack manpower
Jul 20 20:38:48 <DrGrov> I definitely do not want to end up messing up all things I have like ex. computer, TV etc etc.
Jul 20 20:39:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> not all would be capable of beeing messed up
Jul 20 20:39:34 <DrGrov> That would be if I get angry with it due to the fact it doesn't work even if I try. I have anger management issues from time to time :)
Jul 20 20:39:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> me too
Jul 20 20:39:59 <DrGrov> But I usually do not stop, I just keep doing it until the damn thing works as I want it to work.
Jul 20 20:40:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically I got that issue doing the android phones port
Jul 20 20:40:20 <DrGrov> I never give up unless the missus gets mad. When she gets mad it is time to be a nice boy ;)
Jul 20 20:40:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> but n900 is much better
Jul 20 20:40:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it is more free too
Jul 20 20:41:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> the audio is under the main CPU control and the modem has no access to the main CPU ram
Jul 20 20:45:06 <angelox|laptop> Hi morphis_!
Jul 20 20:47:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi morphis_ 
Jul 20 21:00:31 <DrGrov> Well, I will think about this and get back to you
Jul 20 22:15:38 <GarthPS|away> in the fstab it does not work, but if comment all coresponding line in fstab and in mountdevsubfs.sh and place a "none /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0" in fstab then it works..
Jul 20 22:15:54 <GarthPS|away> JaMa: you are right , a remount /dev/pts is enought so same issue as you. What is weird is: if I let no line in fstab but just the mountdevsubfs.sh it does not work, if I uncomment this line "devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0"
Jul 20 22:15:58 <GarthPS|away> in the fstab it does not work, but if comment all coresponding line in fstab and in mountdevsubfs.sh and place a "none /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0" in fstab then it works..
Jul 20 22:17:14 <GarthPS|away> JaMa: and by the way I have no any line in my  /proc/config.gz about PTS
Jul 20 22:28:03 <GarthPS|away> JaMa: ok executing a seconde time /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh after a boot like this ssh root@moko "/etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh"
Jul 20 22:28:03 <GarthPS|away> fix the pts issue so yes curenntly it does not like been mount to early.
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