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Aug 05 07:46:11 <PaulFertser> lol, russian antimonopoly agency made an inquire to the gsm operators wrt "russian" messages sent over sms cost twice as much (ucs-2be, heh).
Aug 05 09:45:45 * antrik giggles
Aug 05 14:01:55 <GNUtoo|irssi> mrmoku: hi, do you have a clear idea on how ACI work now?
Aug 05 14:02:25 <GNUtoo|irssi> the logs you pastebined were too long to read in one time
Aug 05 14:03:44 <mickey|office> GNUtoo|irssi: hi GNUtoo|irssi, how's it going?
Aug 05 14:05:21 <GNUtoo|irssi> hollidays
Aug 05 14:05:37 <mickey|office> that's cool
Aug 05 14:05:38 <GNUtoo|irssi> i'm out....
Aug 05 14:05:41 <mickey|office> holidays are nice
Aug 05 14:05:55 <GNUtoo|irssi> also i was very frustrated with fso+shr
Aug 05 14:06:06 <GNUtoo|irssi> i cannot work on anything
Aug 05 14:06:16 <mickey|office> ja, ~lart dependency trees
Aug 05 14:06:26 <GNUtoo|irssi> becuase the people i need to talk to are always absent
Aug 05 14:06:38 <GNUtoo|irssi> btw dream has a pin issue
Aug 05 14:06:52 <GNUtoo|irssi> apm -s + resume makes the pin dialog appear
Aug 05 14:06:59 <GNUtoo|irssi> else it never appears
Aug 05 14:06:59 <mickey|office> ya, you said that before, sounds like a kernel problem
Aug 05 14:07:17 <mickey|office> nothing changed in that code area iirc
Aug 05 14:07:33 <mickey|office> or it's a problem on SHR layer
Aug 05 14:07:41 <mickey|office> did you try with FSO only?
Aug 05 14:07:54 <mickey|office> i.e. did the status change as expected?
Aug 05 14:07:54 <GNUtoo|irssi> i saw morphis commits very rapidely
Aug 05 14:08:35 <GNUtoo|irssi> i suspect a general fso change
Aug 05 14:09:26 <GNUtoo|irssi> or maybe fso+shr
Aug 05 14:09:55 <GNUtoo|irssi> i'll try later
Aug 05 14:10:17 <GNUtoo|irssi> i must unlock my bicicle and go back bycicling
Aug 05 14:10:17 <mickey|office> ya, give it a chance with fso only, might give us a hint where to look for the problem
Aug 05 14:10:22 <mickey|office> excellent idea
Aug 05 14:10:37 <GNUtoo|irssi> ok
Aug 05 14:11:38 <GNUtoo|irssi> btw i now hate msm/qsd
Aug 05 14:12:10 <GNUtoo|irssi> because the basebans has access to the main cpu memory
Aug 05 14:12:44 <GNUtoo|irssi> + the stuff that we already know such as baseband controls auddio and gps
Aug 05 14:13:19 <mickey|office> that's quite unfortunate
Aug 05 14:13:22 <GNUtoo|irssi> so I may buy a nexus S
Aug 05 14:13:32 <GNUtoo|irssi> the bootloader is freeable
Aug 05 14:13:34 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|irssi: hi, still a thing to ask DocScrutinizer51 
Aug 05 14:13:37 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer51: ping :)
Aug 05 14:13:44 <GNUtoo|irssi> the modem cobtrols nothing....
Aug 05 14:13:47 <mrmoku> hi mickey|office 
Aug 05 14:14:04 <mickey|office> yo mrmoko, what's up?
Aug 05 14:14:04 <GNUtoo|irssi> not gps,not audio,not nans,not memory
Aug 05 14:14:09 <GNUtoo|irssi> hi
Aug 05 14:14:15 <GNUtoo|irssi> ok
Aug 05 14:14:18 <mrmoku> no hollidays... yet :P
Aug 05 14:16:06 <GNUtoo|irssi> bbl in the night/afternoon
Aug 05 14:16:10 <GNUtoo|irssi> bye
Aug 05 14:16:14 <mrmoku> cu
Aug 05 14:16:14 <mickey|office> hf
Aug 05 14:25:28 <DocScrutinizer51> mrmoku: pong (afws)
Aug 05 14:25:48 <mrmoku> afws?
Aug 05 14:26:08 <gena2x> guys, hello. i want to buy n900... what's the state of vanilla kernel on n900, is it possible to install plain debian, how stable is phone stack? How much problems should I expect installing debian?
Aug 05 14:26:17 <DocScrutinizer51> away from  workstation
Aug 05 14:26:22 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer51: ahh, ok :)
Aug 05 14:26:29 <mrmoku> one thing I don't get yet
Aug 05 14:26:47 <mrmoku> the smooth switching between speaker and headphone
Aug 05 14:27:17 <mrmoku> if we do what you suggested and let mplayer open a sofdevice that outputs to multiple devices
Aug 05 14:27:23 <khorben> gena2x: it is possible to install plain debian
Aug 05 14:27:43 <DocScrutinizer51> mrmoku: yep?
Aug 05 14:27:53 <mrmoku> how do we know about those 'sub-devices'?
Aug 05 14:28:04 <mrmoku> mplayer requests default for example
Aug 05 14:28:14 <DocScrutinizer51> err, you define them in asounrd
Aug 05 14:28:21 <mrmoku> default is configured via asound.rc 
Aug 05 14:28:22 <mrmoku> yeah
Aug 05 14:28:42 <mrmoku> now mplayer is playing to that device
Aug 05 14:28:54 <mrmoku> which let's say has volume for the speaker up and the others down
Aug 05 14:29:02 <mrmoku> now I plugin the headset
Aug 05 14:29:18 <mrmoku> how does fsoaudiod know which vols to change?
Aug 05 14:29:45 <DocScrutinizer51> good question, probably you want to config this
Aug 05 14:29:47 <antrik> gena2x: you mean FSO phone stack? not really usable
Aug 05 14:30:00 <antrik> gena2x: so you are abandoning the Freerunner too? :-(
Aug 05 14:30:30 <gena2x> antrik: anyway, not much free time now
Aug 05 14:30:43 <mrmoku> hmm
Aug 05 14:31:07 <gena2x> antrik: and really, still too many bugs :(
Aug 05 14:32:20 <DocScrutinizer51> mrmoku: of course we can as well define a hw specific virtual device that knows switching of mixer without defining multiple devices
Aug 05 14:32:54 <DocScrutinizer51> which is basically what we do 'now'
Aug 05 14:33:12 <antrik> gena2x: indeed... but qtmoko or SHR on Freerunner are still *far* more usable than SHR or other free systems on any other device
Aug 05 14:33:20 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer51: what would be the problem with that approach?
Aug 05 14:33:43 <mrmoku> gena2x: are you in a hurry to get something?
Aug 05 14:33:49 <antrik> (perhaps with the exception of Android-based stuff, if you are OK with a mock Java system...)
Aug 05 14:33:56 <mrmoku> gena2x: because gta04 is getting closer every day :)
Aug 05 14:34:01 <DocScrutinizer51> no obvious problems, but I'll resume that thread later, busy now
Aug 05 14:34:12 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer51: ok, later then... have fun :)
Aug 05 14:34:28 <gena2x> mrmoku: actually i haaaatttee absence of keyboard
Aug 05 14:34:56 <mrmoku> gena2x: ok, I understand that a lot
Aug 05 14:36:06 <antrik> gena2x: well, among keyboard-equipped devices, HTC Dream or Palm Pre seem closest to actual usability I think... though still behind Freerunner
Aug 05 14:37:00 <antrik> (Palm seems most promising to me, as the currently most active FSO developer is working on it...)
Aug 05 14:39:00 <gena2x> antrik: hm... fso is only chance to get open-source telephony.
Aug 05 14:42:39 <antrik> well, there is also ofono... though it's future is a bit uncertain as well I guess
Aug 05 14:45:28 <antrik> actually N900 running MeeGo might be a pretty close approximation of a usable almost-free device... don't know the details though
Aug 05 15:08:15 <DocScrutinizer> errr....
Aug 05 15:30:23 <morphis_> heyho
Aug 05 15:53:41 <angelox|n900> hi everyone!
Aug 05 18:17:32 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07hpveer-support * r319d30bd0cf2 10msmcomm/libmsmrpc/ (COPYING COPYING.APACHE COPYING.GPL): libmsmrpc: fix copying file
Aug 05 18:17:32 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07hpveer-support * r246a2698ddbd 10msmcomm/libmsmrpc/msmrpc/ (Makefile.am rpc.vala): libmsmrpc: implement basic rpc control messages
Aug 05 18:17:33 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07hpveer-support * r81d5aa79df81 10msmcomm/libmsmrpc/ (configure.ac msmrpc/Makefile.am tests/Makefile.am): libmsmrpc: add libfsobasics and libfsoframework as dependencies
Aug 05 18:17:34 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07hpveer-support * r0b6a41cdcd7b 10msmcomm/libmsmrpc/ (7 files in 2 dirs): libmsmrpc: implement basic support for onc rpc protocol and a oem rapi client
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