**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 02:59:58 2011
Aug 08 06:30:43 <JaMa> moin
Aug 08 06:32:03 <JaMa> mrmoku: starting new build now, but haven't seen docbook-native error before holidays..
Aug 08 06:34:12 <PaulFertser> JaMa: hey hey :)
Aug 08 06:42:16 <JaMa> how are you Paul?
Aug 08 06:49:12 <PaulFertser> JaMa: i'm fine, though not really active in free software lately.
Aug 08 06:49:16 <PaulFertser> Lurking here as usual.
Aug 08 06:49:26 <PaulFertser> But otherwise perfectly fine and happy.
Aug 08 06:49:29 <PaulFertser> JaMa: and how are you?
Aug 08 06:49:45 <JaMa> that's great (the part that you're fine and happy :))
Aug 08 07:07:09 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * rca462776d23c 10/ (1544 files in 142 dirs): system upgrade
Aug 08 07:15:15 <CIA-82> SHR: 03dbaryshkov 07meta-smartphone * ra001d4de6c01 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-kernel/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): meta-zaurus/linux-2.6.39: fix pcmcia on collie
Aug 08 07:15:25 <CIA-82> SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * rb6028f0768ca 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-bsp/zaurus-utils/ (3 files in 2 dirs): encdec-updater: switch to remote SRC_URI
Aug 08 07:15:25 <CIA-82> SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * reefd9075b137 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-bsp/kexecboot/kexecboot-cfg/angstrom/icon.xpm: kexecboot-cfg: remove Angstrom specific logo
Aug 08 07:15:25 <CIA-82> SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * rafd733574c24 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-bsp/zaurus-utils/ (3 files in 2 dirs): nandlogical: switch to remote SRC_URI
Aug 08 07:15:26 <CIA-82> SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * rd16710130f2e 10/meta-zaurus/conf/machine/ (akita.conf spitz.conf): spitz & akita: fix the injection of 'iwmmxt' in PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS
Aug 08 07:58:56 <mrmoku> JaMa: moin - ok
Aug 08 07:59:31 <mrmoku> JaMa: I'm having problems with qt-mobility... qmake does not find qt... rings some bells?
Aug 08 08:13:19 <JaMa> no :/
Aug 08 08:14:48 <mrmoku> JaMa: is QTDIR supposed to be set? because it is pointing to some non-existing qt2
Aug 08 08:19:24 <JaMa> this is for oe-classic right?
Aug 08 08:20:26 <JaMa> QTDIR seems to be set only for qt3 stuff, qt4 classes doesn't have it
Aug 08 08:26:31 <mrmoku> JaMa: yup, oe-classic
Aug 08 09:07:37 <rah> wpwrak: hello
Aug 08 09:08:09 <rah> wpwrak: Andy Green told me that you might know who had the user "andrew" on the openmoko subversion repository?
Aug 08 09:08:40 <rah> wpwrak: whoever it was seemed to have done all of the work on the qemu emulator
Aug 08 09:09:07 <rah> wpwrak: do you happen to know who that was?
Aug 08 09:09:39 <rah> mickeyl: for that matter, do you happen to know who that was? :-)
Aug 08 09:22:42 <PaulFertser> rah: may i ask why you're interested in that emulator please? ;)
Aug 08 09:24:05 <rah> PaulFertser: because having an openmoko phone emulator is good
Aug 08 09:25:36 <rah> PaulFertser: I want to merge support into the mainline qemu
Aug 08 09:26:35 <rah> PaulFertser: do you know who wrote the openmoko emulator?
Aug 08 09:27:11 <PaulFertser> rah: i tried googling but failed at finding that andrew@sita.openmoko.org , probably mickey|office remembers.
Aug 08 09:27:27 <mickey|office> balrog
Aug 08 09:27:36 <PaulFertser> rah: but i still fail to see how having support of on openmoko emulator is of any relevance to anybody.
Aug 08 09:27:40 <mickey|office> He worked at OH, now at Intel
Aug 08 09:28:01 <rah> ah
Aug 08 09:28:13 <mickey|office> Andrew Zaborowski, actually
Aug 08 09:28:34 <mickey|office> he was employed by OM through OH for a while when he wrote that special version of qemu
Aug 08 09:28:42 <rah> what's "OH"?  Open Handset Alliance?
Aug 08 09:29:42 <mickey|office> OpenedHand
Aug 08 09:29:52 <mickey|office> a british FOSS company
Aug 08 09:29:59 <rah> ok
Aug 08 09:30:04 <mickey|office> centric around gnome technologies
Aug 08 09:30:04 <rah> thanks
Aug 08 09:30:13 <mickey|office> they have been bought by Intel
Aug 08 09:30:15 <mickey|office> np
Aug 08 09:32:33 <rah> PaulFertser: I would say it has the same relevance as an x86 emulator :-)
Aug 08 09:39:14 <PaulFertser> rah: there's already arm support in qemu, i can't see what else do you want from it...
Aug 08 09:40:25 <rah> PaulFertser: "arm support" doesn't necessarily mean it's capable of emulating a smartphone like the openmoko
Aug 08 09:40:48 <PaulFertser> rah: i still fail to see the point of emulating a smartphone, please excuse my ignorance.
Aug 08 09:43:29 <rah> PaulFertser: there are many reasons to emulate a smart phone, the most obvious being that programmers without hardware can contribute to software
Aug 08 09:44:20 <rah> PaulFertser: also, an emulator is much easier to work with for testing than actual hardware
Aug 08 09:44:21 * mrmoku highly doubts that would happen for gta01
Aug 08 09:45:43 <PaulFertser> rah: call me stupid but i still fail to see how can an emulator help programmer without hardware to contribute. Same about testing, what kind of software and usecases do you have in mind?
Aug 08 09:48:11 <JaMa> he also wrote -vo glamo support for mplayer
Aug 08 09:48:34 <rah> PaulFertser: if a programmer is working on software that operates on many different devices, they may wish to test that the software works on devices that aren't available to them
Aug 08 09:49:53 <rah> PaulFertser: in instances where there are significant differences between devices, the programmer may be able to implement functionality for a device that isn't available to them
Aug 08 09:50:28 <PaulFertser> rah: how a smartphone is any different from the developer's PC?
Aug 08 09:54:19 <rah> PaulFertser: the smartphone will have hardware which isn't present on the PC and the emulator might provide support for this; for example the emulator may provide a virtual Adreno GPU which would almost certainly be unavailable on PC hardware
Aug 08 09:55:32 <rah> PaulFertser: the Adreno GPU is quite complex so the emulator might not actually provide that but this is just an example to illustrate the principle; one would expect simpler, more ubiquitous phone hardware to be emulated easily
Aug 08 10:00:07 <PaulFertser> rah: It's still OpenGL ES, isn't it? Writing a driver for it would require hardware anyway, and for writing apps anything that supports OpenGL ES should be enough. What am i missing here?
Aug 08 10:01:51 <rah> PaulFertser: it's not the case that writing a driver would require actual hardware rather than emulated hardware
Aug 08 10:02:48 <rah> PaulFertser: that's what you're missing
Aug 08 10:02:49 <PaulFertser> rah: i've never seen anybody writing a good working driver using emulated hardware. Do you have any examples of how that might happen?
Aug 08 10:04:44 <rah> PaulFertser: no, but then I've never seen anybody writing a good driver using actual hardware so that doesn't really mean anything :-)
Aug 08 10:05:47 <rah> PaulFertser: you've introduced the qualification of "good driver" without ause
Aug 08 10:05:51 <rah> *cause
Aug 08 10:06:26 <rah> PaulFertser: developing any driver, good or otherwise may still be of value
Aug 08 10:06:58 <rah> PaulFertser: such activities are possible using an emulator
Aug 08 10:08:13 * rah -> out
Aug 08 10:11:41 <PaulFertser> rah: i wonder how you make that assertion without writing a driver yourself or even seeing others doing that.
Aug 08 10:13:04 <PaulFertser> rah: there's hwsim in the mac80211 framework but it's not nearly related to the things you're talking about, i'm afraid.
Aug 08 10:17:13 <PaulFertser> rah: the very reason that emulator was abandoned was that nobody could see any point in working on that, all the potential usecases seem to have simpler hassle-less solutions.
Aug 08 10:52:34 <DocScrutinizer> wolfspraul: probably better channel here
Aug 08 10:52:39 <DocScrutinizer> hi PaulFertser 
Aug 08 10:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> wolfspraul: gismo/roh should allow co-admins for OM infra
Aug 08 10:53:57 <DocScrutinizer> I bet they both are at chaoscamp right now, and OM mail / people will be down for a week now, until camp ends, plus some days to process then
Aug 08 10:54:19 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: ping
Aug 08 10:54:30 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: you got admin access to chandra?
Aug 08 10:54:36 <DocScrutinizer> it's down
Aug 08 10:57:18 <DocScrutinizer> https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/chandra/mail.openmoko.org.html
Aug 08 10:58:13 <DocScrutinizer> https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/chandra/chandra.openmoko.org.html
Aug 08 11:01:05 <DocScrutinizer> "funny" part: not even opening a ticket works: https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/login stalls
Aug 08 11:01:23 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: Hi :)
Aug 08 11:02:08 * DocScrutinizer shouts swearwords
Aug 08 11:03:31 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: could you theoretically accept co-adminship on OM infra?
Aug 08 11:10:25 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: you seem to be the only one left who uses @openmoko address as the primary email...
Aug 08 11:10:42 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Aug 08 11:10:56 <DocScrutinizer> but a lot of people use ML notifications
Aug 08 11:11:11 <DocScrutinizer> I gather that's down as well
Aug 08 11:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> and people.om is down as well, as usual
Aug 08 11:12:14 <DocScrutinizer> had a query about moko11-sd-img again. Luckily I have it on my own box now
Aug 08 11:15:38 <DocScrutinizer> btw wpwrak 's ML notifications use his @om addr as well, he told me
Aug 08 11:24:57 <mickey|office> DocScrutinizer: no, iirc i have no longer admin access to anything
Aug 08 11:25:35 <DocScrutinizer> mickey|office: too bad
Aug 08 11:26:22 <DocScrutinizer> seems there are exactly 2 guys on this planet who could restart chandra, and both are not available for at least one week I'd bet
Aug 08 11:26:57 <wolfspraul> same here, I just don't have this anymore
Aug 08 11:27:04 <DocScrutinizer> If I meet them on camp, I could kick some arses physically ;-P
Aug 08 11:27:11 <wolfspraul> the only thing I have left is an admin account for the wiki
Aug 08 11:29:49 <DocScrutinizer> look, either we sort this and get co-admins to keep the infra up, or we tear it down *now* and migrate everything into the public domain (obviously except mail, which I'd like to get a MX forward for at least my account - I know this can't work but anyway, as it seems nobody else is even using it anymore...)
Aug 08 11:38:55 <DocScrutinizer> so who's standing up for accepting co-admin on OM infra, and who's going to convince Gismo to share access to that brave guy?
Aug 08 11:40:28 <DocScrutinizer> mickey|office: could you try to catch Gismo via jabber? (no jabber account here)
Aug 08 11:47:54 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: if you take the MX, it would be nice if you could add a forward for "werner". some people may still use that address to try to reach me.
Aug 08 11:48:27 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: same idea here, sure I'll create a forward
Aug 08 11:50:18 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what's happening to all the mails addressed at joerg at om dot COM
Aug 08 11:50:44 <DocScrutinizer> they definitely don't bounce last time I checked
Aug 08 11:51:10 <DocScrutinizer> which is kinda not PC
Aug 08 11:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> took me quite a while to notice all the business cards I gave out had that .com addr so a hell of a bunch of people won't reach me at all this way
Aug 08 11:52:38 <DocScrutinizer> and probably they all think I'm ignoring them
Aug 08 11:52:53 <DocScrutinizer> :-(
Aug 08 11:54:04 <DocScrutinizer> somebody needs a few good lessons about administration and what that means on a more legal level
Aug 08 11:56:42 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: I prefer not to have another burden :/
Aug 08 11:56:55 <mrmoku> time is rare even without
Aug 08 11:57:11 <mrmoku> but what about yourself?
Aug 08 12:00:10 * rah <- in
Aug 08 12:00:26 <rah> PaulFertser: I see a point in working on it
Aug 08 12:01:02 <rah> PaulFertser: I would like to test software on an emulator
Aug 08 12:01:09 <rah> PaulFertser: it's as simple as that
Aug 08 12:01:52 <rah> PaulFertser: regarding the writing of good working drivers I can actually recall such an instance: numerous people have written good working drivers for the hurd using qemu
Aug 08 12:09:06 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: I'm absolutely unqualified for system admin of *real* systems, with mailman, wiki, whatnot crap running on them
Aug 08 12:10:32 <DocScrutinizer> I can do a reboot occasionally, and sometimes even find my way around simple problems of the lower system level, as that's what I do on workstations for >>10 years
Aug 08 12:10:46 <DocScrutinizer> never dealt with servers though
Aug 08 12:11:31 <DocScrutinizer> hell, I wasn't even able to configure a simple appache on my box, without help
Aug 08 12:12:00 <PaulFertser> I think i have some configuration experience.
Aug 08 12:12:46 <DocScrutinizer> I asked for (and got) root access to several OM boxes, but they kicked me out again, and I never had access to the "console" to restart a box that's down
Aug 08 12:13:35 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: you mean you'd accept this task?
Aug 08 12:13:48 <DocScrutinizer> much appreciated, I'm all for it
Aug 08 12:14:21 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: yes, i would. I'm rarely away for really prolonged periods and i have some (rather moderate) experience of managing servers.
Aug 08 12:14:53 <DocScrutinizer> mickey|office: wolfspraul: who is Gismo's "boss"?
Aug 08 12:15:10 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. who owns the OM infra?
Aug 08 12:16:19 <DocScrutinizer> if that's still Sean, then maybe we need to ask Sean to grant full access to Paul, or tell Gismo to do that
Aug 08 12:18:07 <DocScrutinizer> mickey|office: what happened around last X-mas when there was this server migration to gnumonks allegedly
Aug 08 12:18:10 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Aug 08 12:18:44 <wolfspraul> there's no boss, but Harald is probably still paying for and/or overseeing the servers
Aug 08 12:19:17 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, my recent thought. Probably it's now Harald who's owning the infra, not Sean
Aug 08 12:20:07 <DocScrutinizer> alas Harals is even harder to get a hold on than our admins Gismo and Roh
Aug 08 12:20:14 <DocScrutinizer> Harald*
Aug 08 12:20:45 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen laf0rge
Aug 08 12:20:54 <apt> laf0rge <n=laforge@sunbeam.ipv6.gnumonks.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 642d 10h 57m 32s ago, saying: 'laf0rge sends a 'korean wave' back to rwhitby ;)'.
Aug 08 12:22:17 <DocScrutinizer> well, I'll definitely see him Wednesday the latest
Aug 08 13:16:06 <mickey|office> ya, just visit the camp, they'll all be there
Aug 08 13:16:13 * mickey|office wishes he could be there as well
Aug 08 13:28:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> DocScrutinizer, look in the osmcombb and similar channels
Aug 08 14:46:46 <mickey|office> hi GNUtoo|laptop 
Aug 08 14:46:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi
Aug 08 14:47:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> I hate msm/qsd but I got something that I couldn't refuse: source code for an alsa driver for the nexus one
Aug 08 14:48:46 <mickey|office> heh
Aug 08 14:48:54 <mickey|office> a working one? :D
Aug 08 14:48:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
Aug 08 14:49:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> working on leo
Aug 08 14:49:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> not on nexusone
Aug 08 14:49:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> leo == htc HD2
Aug 08 14:52:20 <mickey|office> fun fun
Aug 08 14:53:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm not sure it's worth
Aug 08 14:53:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> because captainigloo isn't very active anymore
Aug 08 14:56:33 <mickey|office> hmm, dead end
Aug 08 14:56:39 <mickey|office> but chose whatever is fun :)
Aug 08 14:57:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> I have to work on it since I promized
Aug 08 14:57:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> or something like that
Aug 08 14:57:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> the dev did that for SHR
Aug 08 14:57:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> if shr is a dead end 
Aug 08 14:57:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> he won't be very happy
Aug 08 14:57:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> it was very hard for him to write this driver
Aug 08 14:58:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> and on his phone everything works fine:
Aug 08 14:58:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> *aplay
Aug 08 14:58:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> *intone
Aug 08 14:58:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> etc...
Aug 08 15:02:51 <mickey|office> i see, well then all the best. it's surely just tweaking some params? :D
Aug 08 15:05:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> qsd audio != msm audio
Aug 08 15:05:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> before no driver existed for qsd
Aug 08 15:05:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> who is still active on SHR?
Aug 08 15:12:28 <DocScrutinizer> hah, I can imagine the alsa card driver for cmt
Aug 08 15:17:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> lol ok
Aug 08 15:55:31 <captainigloo> GNUtoo|laptop: wtf ?
Aug 08 15:55:42 <captainigloo> i'm active
Aug 08 15:55:54 <captainigloo> i just don't have commit my code yet :P
Aug 08 15:56:06 <captainigloo> ah for the desire
Aug 08 15:56:44 <captainigloo> well you are maybe right ....
Aug 08 16:04:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> what are you working on then?
Aug 08 16:04:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> do you still work on:
Aug 08 16:04:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> *the keyboard
Aug 08 16:04:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> *the new launcher named elfe
Aug 08 16:05:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> captainigloo, I've bad news for you
Aug 08 16:05:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> palm are out of palm pre 2
Aug 08 16:05:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I've good news too
Aug 08 16:05:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> an alsa driver for htc leo was written
Aug 08 16:46:35 <fpu_neon> hello
Aug 08 16:46:48 <fpu_neon> I'm looking for deb packages for fso
Aug 08 17:03:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> I eared about packages for newer fso
Aug 08 17:03:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I don't remember who was working on it
Aug 08 17:05:36 <fpu> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/
Aug 08 17:05:37 <fpu> I found this
Aug 08 17:05:47 <fpu> are these too old?
Aug 08 17:06:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> do they have frameworkd or fsogsmd?
Aug 08 17:06:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> *do they have only
Aug 08 17:06:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> it seem old
Aug 08 17:07:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> look for fsogsmd
Aug 08 17:07:12 <fpu> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/
Aug 08 17:07:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes I looked at them
Aug 08 17:07:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> they lack fsogsmd
Aug 08 17:07:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically fso was rewritten from python in vala
Aug 08 17:07:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> the rewrite is what everybody uses now
Aug 08 17:07:52 <fpu> hmm
Aug 08 17:07:54 <fpu> I pasted wrong link
Aug 08 17:07:59 <fpu> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/
Aug 08 17:08:05 <fpu> gsmd
Aug 08 17:10:29 <fpu> hmm
Aug 08 17:10:35 <fpu> there are also some packages in experimental
Aug 08 17:11:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Aug 08 17:11:05 <fpu> http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/fso-gsmd
Aug 08 17:11:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> where's that?
Aug 08 17:11:08 <fpu> is this recent enough?
Aug 08 17:11:18 <fpu> I don't know if they will install but let's try
Aug 08 17:11:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> look for fsogsmd
Aug 08 17:11:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll look
Aug 08 17:12:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> strange naming
Aug 08 17:12:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> there is a -
Aug 08 17:13:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes it's the right one
Aug 08 17:13:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> it depends on vala and other libs
Aug 08 17:13:27 <fpu> ok :-)
Aug 08 17:13:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> so it's the right one
Aug 08 17:51:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> captainigloo, are you at least interested by a working alsa driver for your phone?
Aug 08 17:52:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll go
Aug 08 17:53:33 <morphis> heyho
Aug 08 18:00:17 <mickeyl> morphis: can we talk tomorrow during office hours?
Aug 08 18:00:28 <mickeyl> baby duties on weekend kept me inavailable
Aug 08 18:00:34 <morphis> mickeyl: during office ours is bad
Aug 08 18:00:44 <morphis> only via mobile phone
Aug 08 18:00:56 <mickeyl> sound good. good old GSM network
Aug 08 18:00:58 <morphis> I don't have access to xmpp/irc at work
Aug 08 18:00:59 <morphis> :)
Aug 08 18:01:11 <mickeyl> send me a number and i'll call ya
Aug 08 18:01:20 <mickeyl> company pays *cough*
Aug 08 18:01:24 <morphis> hehe
Aug 08 18:01:39 <morphis> mickey@vanille-media.de?
Aug 08 18:01:51 <mickeyl> yep
Aug 08 18:03:17 <morphis> mail is out
Aug 08 18:06:01 <mickeyl> got it
Aug 08 18:06:05 <morphis> great
Aug 08 18:06:19 <morphis> mickeyl: btw. I got the first contact with the HP veer modem
Aug 08 18:06:30 <mickeyl> ya, saw it in the pastebin, great work
Aug 08 18:06:33 <morphis> my bad that I did a O_RDONLY in serial_forward :)
Aug 08 18:06:34 <mickeyl> that's really promising i guess
Aug 08 18:06:37 <mickeyl> ah, heh
Aug 08 18:06:50 <morphis> I hope I get more features working this week
Aug 08 18:07:00 <morphis> and I am faster than with the Palm Pre ...
Aug 08 18:07:29 <morphis> but it looks like I will be
Aug 08 18:08:10 <mickeyl> very good
Aug 08 18:09:21 <morphis> will tell you more next week
Aug 08 18:12:50 <morphis> GarthPS: ping
Aug 08 18:13:12 <morphis> mickeyl: btw. I changed release date of aurora to 20.08.2011
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 18:30:38 2011
Aug 08 19:02:32 <LionKMP> vim: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Aug 08 19:02:44 <LionKMP> Hi, please help fixing that. I have this since months. 
Aug 08 19:04:22 <angelox|laptop> libncurses is fully installed? can you check at /usr/lib ( or /usr/local/lib ) if that lib exists ?
Aug 08 19:04:31 <angelox|laptop> Hi btw!
Aug 08 19:07:30 <LionKMP> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        109076 Jan  1  1970 /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.5.7
Aug 08 19:07:40 <LionKMP> in package libncursesw5
Aug 08 19:07:56 <LionKMP> the other: "libncurses5"  (no "w") is not installed.
Aug 08 19:08:33 <angelox|laptop> and you can't install libncurses5 ?
Aug 08 19:08:42 <LionKMP> root@om-gta02 ~ # opkg install libncurses5
Aug 08 19:08:42 <LionKMP> Package ncurses is already installed on root.
Aug 08 19:08:51 <LionKMP> oot@om-gta02 ~ # opkg files libncurses5
Aug 08 19:08:51 <LionKMP> Collected errors:
Aug 08 19:08:51 <LionKMP>  * opkg_files_cmd: Package libncurses5 not installed.
Aug 08 19:09:02 <angelox|laptop> hmm
Aug 08 19:09:09 <LionKMP> (I hope there are no typos in names here :D )
Aug 08 19:09:49 <LionKMP> I try --force-reinstall
Aug 08 19:09:57 <angelox|laptop> :) ... did you try uninstall it and install again ?
Aug 08 19:10:17 <LionKMP> I don't think I can uninstall it without removing a thousand of packages, can I ?
Aug 08 19:10:45 <LionKMP> --force-reinstall said the same "is already installed", and "files" still says not  installed.
Aug 08 19:10:53 <angelox|laptop> heh,i did forgot :)
Aug 08 19:10:58 <angelox|laptop> can you try hard-installing way?
Aug 08 19:11:02 <LionKMP> root@om-gta02 ~ # opkg remove libncurses5
Aug 08 19:11:02 <LionKMP> No packages removed.
Aug 08 19:11:30 <LionKMP> "hard installing" how?
Aug 08 19:11:47 <angelox|laptop> i meant,unpacking ipk file..extracting data.tar.gz into /
Aug 08 19:15:28 <LionKMP> I found the ipk, how do I get the files out from it? 
Aug 08 19:15:47 <LionKMP> http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/  is this good place to get? (found in one of the /etc/opkg/ files)
Aug 08 19:16:11 <angelox|laptop> if your device is armv4t based yes..
Aug 08 19:16:15 <angelox|laptop> to extract do:
Aug 08 19:16:18 <LionKMP> neo fr
Aug 08 19:16:34 <angelox|laptop> ar x yourdownloadedpackage.ipk
Aug 08 19:16:45 <angelox|laptop> tar -C / -xvf data.tar.gz
Aug 08 19:17:38 <LionKMP> vi works!! :-)
Aug 08 19:17:43 <LionKMP> thank you!  :)
Aug 08 19:18:35 <angelox|laptop> np :)
Aug 08 19:19:04 <LionKMP> do you know a program to get info from GPS? can I get EGNOS correction work with any SHR based software?
Aug 08 19:19:50 <LionKMP> I tried some commands from here, but all are non-existing outdated things: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS
Aug 08 19:26:27 <angelox|laptop> sorry,i don't know GPS stuff
Aug 08 19:31:30 <LionKMP> ok thank you
Aug 08 19:32:16 <LionKMP> and how to show screen via SSH? a simple "export DISPLAY=192.168.0.201:0" worked some years ago, and now I cannot get it work in any format.
Aug 08 19:32:27 <LionKMP> tried "0.0" and no number too.
Aug 08 19:34:54 <angelox|laptop> this always helped me: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#GUI_on_desktop_through_SSH
Aug 08 19:50:12 <fpu> hello
Aug 08 19:50:29 <fpu> how do I specify config files I use?
Aug 08 19:51:01 <fpu> I have /etc/freesmartphone/config/something/fsodeviced.conf for example
Aug 08 20:02:47 <GarthPS> morphis: pong , eating time for me now for half an hour a least
Aug 08 20:10:56 <fpu> basically
Aug 08 20:11:10 <fpu> how can I make fsodeviced load specific .conf file
Aug 08 20:11:18 <fpu> fsodeviced --help doesn't show anything helpful :-(
Aug 08 20:13:55 <DocScrutinizer> damn, I just learned laf0rge is active on twitter :-/ I *hate* twitter
Aug 08 20:25:13 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07hpveer-support * rf215ceeea595 10msmcomm/libmsmrpc/ (7 files in 2 dirs): libmsmrpc: final step to receive and send all relevant rpc messages
Aug 08 20:45:36 <pespin> mrmoku, I'm finally going to use telepathy-glib :)
Aug 08 20:46:45 <pespin> as it seems to me that vala-dbus-binding-tool is not gong to be able to generate good vala files in short time
Aug 08 20:52:21 <mrmoku> pespin: hehe, ok
Aug 08 20:52:36 <mrmoku> pespin: someday you will get gdbus for free... when they switched :)
Aug 08 20:52:52 <mrmoku> pespin: I'm playing with the qt4 bindings instead
Aug 08 20:55:05 <pespin> mrmoku, and having success? :)
Aug 08 20:57:02 <mrmoku> pespin: well... it's still some way to my phone app :P
Aug 08 20:57:37 <mrmoku> I decided to do one I can use on my laptop _and_ my phone
Aug 08 20:57:53 <mrmoku> and then... when I know telepathy good enough... integrate it for real
Aug 08 20:57:55 * pespin too as he uses e17 in his computers too :P
Aug 08 20:58:26 <mrmoku> another thing I wanted to look into is writing a telepathy fso backend
Aug 08 20:58:39 <pespin> I'm using enjoy both in my phone and in PC too :D
Aug 08 20:58:49 * mrmoku did not find any documentation about writing tp backends though :/
Aug 08 20:59:03 <pespin> mrmoku, for SMSing for example?
Aug 08 20:59:12 <mrmoku> both, yeah
Aug 08 20:59:16 <mrmoku> SMSing and calling
Aug 08 20:59:24 <pespin> nice :)
Aug 08 23:35:35 <DocScrutinizer> anybody joining CCCamp?
Aug 09 01:18:15 <fpu> anyone here
Aug 09 01:18:16 <fpu> ?
Aug 09 01:18:22 <fpu> When I try to launch dialer
Aug 09 01:18:28 <fpu> I get only black screen :-(
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