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Aug 10 05:09:07 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer: Sean answered: We're not going to be able to do this. We've been told we don't have these legal rights. Sorry to deliver some bad news. But thanks again for bringing this to my attention and asking for help.
Aug 10 05:09:15 <pabs3> oh well
Aug 10 05:12:49 <larsc> what was it you wanted to do?
Aug 10 05:14:47 <pabs3> larsc: get the SMedia Glamo documentation released publically
Aug 10 05:17:54 <PaulFertser> Sick, isn't it, those chips weren't competitive 4 years ago, the company doesn't exist for like 2 years, but the documentation (that i'm sure sucks a lot) can't be released just because.
Aug 10 05:18:45 <pabs3> indeed :(
Aug 10 05:18:59 * pabs3 pokes Sean a bit more
Aug 10 05:27:53 <pabs3> perhaps he can convince the ex-SMedia folks to release the docs, or I can convince him to just release them without permission
Aug 10 05:37:12 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: hey, are you at ccc camp too now?
Aug 10 07:18:59 <tmzt> wow, not even the sd parts?
Aug 10 07:33:50 <pabs3> tmzt: I was asking about the 3D stuff, wouldn't be surprised though
Aug 10 12:27:22 <mickey|office> moinmoin
Aug 10 12:33:00 <JaMa|Zzz> moin
Aug 10 13:33:43 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r89bdc0adfaba 10/meta-shr/README: meta-shr: update README
Aug 10 16:24:32 <rah> where is GNUtoo? :-(
Aug 10 16:38:29 <nschle85> hello, tomorrow Ill buy a used N900, who of you is using SHR and N900 ?
Aug 10 16:39:05 <angelox|laptop> Hi
Aug 10 16:39:15 <angelox|laptop> i was using it...
Aug 10 16:39:47 <angelox|laptop> i can say,the phone is powerful!
Aug 10 16:39:54 <angelox|laptop> and SHR into it too :)
Aug 10 16:40:43 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: which kind of shr do you use old oe dev or shr core ?
Aug 10 16:43:23 <angelox|laptop> i did only use pre-compiled images,i guess from old-oe
Aug 10 16:44:02 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: how do they work ? can you use the phone as everyday phone ?
Aug 10 16:44:59 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: is ist possible to install shr on external sd card ? i do not want to install it on any internal flash
Aug 10 16:45:27 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: yes,you can install it into yoru uSD card..i do that,since i really like Maemo :)
Aug 10 16:45:53 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: phone calls is a work in progress,it is unstable...i wouldn't use it as main distribution yet
Aug 10 16:46:14 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: is gps working ?
Aug 10 16:47:23 <angelox|laptop> didn't try it,but i guess so,btw,i'm downloading right now another shr image,so any questions,in 10 minutes,i'll be able to test them in-real-time and answer you.
Aug 10 16:47:25 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: is the installation on µSD described on shr wiki ? 
Aug 10 16:47:40 <angelox|laptop> yes
Aug 10 16:49:04 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: I want to buy the used phone tomorrow, do I have to care about something relating to the hardware ?
Aug 10 16:50:31 <angelox|laptop> battery is a thing that really needs care i guess
Aug 10 16:53:08 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: but this cannot be tested  very fast
Aug 10 16:54:25 <angelox|laptop> yes..,that would the only thing i'd test,but it can't be..
Aug 10 17:07:40 <fpu> isn't N900 quite old?
Aug 10 17:08:22 <angelox|laptop> is ? :(
Aug 10 17:08:40 <fpu> Maybe I'm just comparing it to my phone, which isn't a big novelty either
Aug 10 17:09:05 <angelox|laptop> which is that?
Aug 10 17:09:41 <fpu> HTC HD2
Aug 10 17:10:04 <fpu> anyway N900 seems better supported :p
Aug 10 17:13:09 <fpu> what is dbus command to enter SIM PIN code?
Aug 10 17:13:21 <fpu> mdbus2 doesn't help :-(
Aug 10 17:20:18 <PaulFertser> fpu: hold on.
Aug 10 17:22:02 <fpu> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD
Aug 10 17:22:17 <fpu> everything is here, I just don't know how to access it from shell :-(
Aug 10 17:23:41 <PaulFertser> fpu: mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetFunctionality "Full" "True" "<yourpinhere>"
Aug 10 17:24:08 <fpu> ok will try it in a second
Aug 10 17:24:15 <nschle85> fpu: the follower N9 is not releaased, i think it will be released after the first Windows phone from Nokia and it will be very expensive.
Aug 10 17:24:16 <fpu> and command to get state of sim?
Aug 10 17:24:31 <nschle85> fpu: and N9 has no keyboard
Aug 10 17:24:41 <fpu> nschlke85: I'm also not particularly happy about dumping MeeGo
Aug 10 17:25:02 <fpu> It would be a lot more standard Linux than Android
Aug 10 17:25:06 <nschle85> fpu: but you are right, it is good supported
Aug 10 17:26:32 <nschle85> nschle85: i own a freerunner but its not usable because the hardware is very limited (bugs) and the support is getting lower and lower
Aug 10 17:26:53 <PaulFertser> fpu: mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/SIM org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetAuthStatus
Aug 10 17:27:11 <fpu> PaulFertster: ok, let's try it :-)
Aug 10 17:27:56 <nschle85> fpu: and i have the chance to get the phone for 130€
Aug 10 17:28:14 <PaulFertser> fpu: the second command should be mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetAuthStatus
Aug 10 17:28:27 <fpu> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetAuthStatus" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM" doesn't exist
Aug 10 17:28:38 <fpu> oh ok :-) this one didn't work
Aug 10 17:29:22 <fpu> PaulFertser: this one's ok :-) "SIM PIN"
Aug 10 17:29:24 <fpu> so let's try pin
Aug 10 17:29:58 <fpu> PaulFertser: thanks a lot!
Aug 10 17:29:58 <nschle85> fpu: hope you have your PUK present :-)
Aug 10 17:30:01 <fpu> it's "READY"
Aug 10 17:30:08 <PaulFertser> fpu: yay
Aug 10 17:30:21 <PaulFertser> fpu: for your future reference: easy guide to mdbus2:
Aug 10 17:30:24 <fpu> now /maybe/ ZZhone will work
Aug 10 17:30:29 <PaulFertser> fpu: mdbus2 -i -s
Aug 10 17:30:59 <PaulFertser> fpu: then press Tab twice. Then type one of the alternatives, press Tab again etc.
Aug 10 17:31:05 <fpu> PaulFertser: ok
Aug 10 17:31:22 <fpu> hmm
Aug 10 17:31:29 <PaulFertser> fpu: When you know the first part of the command (e.g. org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device) just press enter and it'll print all the available functions with their signatures.
Aug 10 17:31:33 <fpu> are there any frontends for fso beside SHR apps and Zhone?
Aug 10 17:31:53 <fpu> PaulFertser: it will be useful, thanks
Aug 10 17:32:42 <PaulFertser> fpu: yes, my fso.el *shameless plug*
Aug 10 17:33:30 <PaulFertser> fpu: also, Zhone2
Aug 10 17:33:42 <PaulFertser> I use only fso.el of course.
Aug 10 17:33:43 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: does your image work ?
Aug 10 17:34:19 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: sorry,my internet is really-really-very-really slow today,about 50kb/s download :(
Aug 10 17:34:34 <fpu> PaulFertser: emacs? hehe
Aug 10 17:34:40 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: please inser coin :-)
Aug 10 17:34:46 <PaulFertser> fpu: no kidding, that's my only cell phone.
Aug 10 17:34:49 <angelox|laptop> aurora can be called a frontend ? :)
Aug 10 17:35:11 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: yes,that is needed :)
Aug 10 17:36:03 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: you should reboot your windows machine :-)
Aug 10 17:36:50 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: do you use a surf stick or cable ?
Aug 10 17:37:23 <angelox|laptop> no,i unse only my laptop
Aug 10 17:37:26 <angelox|laptop> the problem is my router
Aug 10 17:37:30 <angelox|laptop> use*
Aug 10 17:37:40 <angelox|laptop> my router only works when it wants to work :)
Aug 10 17:37:42 <fpu> Zhone doesn't work
Aug 10 17:37:50 <fpu> SHR apps are black
Aug 10 17:38:02 <fpu> Zhone2?
Aug 10 17:38:27 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: its an intellingt router
Aug 10 17:38:58 <PaulFertser> fpu: that's simple vala clone of Zhone.
Aug 10 17:39:08 <PaulFertser> fpu: aurora is another frontend, yes.
Aug 10 17:39:43 <angelox|laptop> which device fpu,om-gta02?
Aug 10 17:40:09 <fpu> aurora?
Aug 10 17:40:25 <fpu> Zhone hangs on "connecting w/ dbus"
Aug 10 17:40:35 <PaulFertser> fpu: the new effort to create a simple featurephone-like app based on vala+qml
Aug 10 17:40:59 <angelox|laptop> yes :)
Aug 10 17:41:00 <fpu> I don't know how much SHR is on this channel
Aug 10 17:41:11 <fpu> But I have installed apps from it successfully on my debian
Aug 10 17:41:17 <PaulFertser> fpu: can you download lsfsor.py to see if your fsousaged is in the right state?
Aug 10 17:41:17 <fpu> only when I start them, whole window is black
Aug 10 17:41:28 <fpu> lsfsor.py, let me google that
Aug 10 17:42:00 <fpu> hmm
Aug 10 17:42:06 <fpu> fsousaged not installed :p
Aug 10 17:42:16 <PaulFertser> fpu: well, that would explain it.
Aug 10 17:43:09 <PaulFertser> (lsfsor.py -- my biggest python program :) )
Aug 10 17:44:09 <angelox|laptop>  i've never wrote anything in python
Aug 10 17:44:41 <angelox|laptop> well,only a print "Hi world" :-)
Aug 10 17:45:29 <PaulFertser> :)
Aug 10 17:46:24 <fpu> hehe, that's just like me
Aug 10 17:46:32 <fpu> hello world and simple calculator are my biggest achievements
Aug 10 17:46:47 <fpu> after launching fsousaged it still hangs
Aug 10 17:46:50 <fpu> let me reboot
Aug 10 17:47:25 <PaulFertser> fpu: and do not forget lsfsor :)
Aug 10 17:47:41 <fpu> yes lsfsor
Aug 10 17:47:58 <fpu> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/attachment/ticket/461/lsfsor.py it's this right?
Aug 10 17:48:00 <PaulFertser> Yes
Aug 10 17:48:18 <fpu> ok
Aug 10 17:48:42 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: what do you mean gsm is unstable ? is it generally working or is it not possible to make calls ?
Aug 10 17:49:03 <PaulFertser> fpu: there should be ``GSM             auto    0'' in its output prior to you starting Zhone.
Aug 10 17:49:21 <PaulFertser> fpu: or phonefsod + phoneuid.
Aug 10 17:49:41 <fpu> phoneuid has apps that draw black empty windows
Aug 10 17:50:18 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: unstable like,there's a lot of 'hacks' to make it work,audio also isn't good for example...out-of-the-box i guess it won't work,but the best one to tell you the problems is GNUtoo
Aug 10 17:50:30 <fpu> I'd actually prefer it to zphone but they simply don't work :-(
Aug 10 17:50:36 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: download finished,let me unpack it into my uSD
Aug 10 17:51:41 <PaulFertser> fpu: i suggest you get the simplest method work first, that being Zhone.
Aug 10 17:52:22 <fpu> ok
Aug 10 17:53:27 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: did you exchange the boot loader ? or can the existing configured to boot from uSD ?
Aug 10 17:53:31 <fpu> PaulFertser: I don't know if this is newest version of your script
Aug 10 17:53:48 <fpu> but aren't you supposed to use "#/usr/bin/env python"
Aug 10 17:53:51 <fpu> as starting line?
Aug 10 17:54:08 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: you need to use a modified bootloader,there are three atm
Aug 10 17:54:20 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: kexec-boot;uboot and kernel-on-nand
Aug 10 17:55:05 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: i do use maemo's uboot,it has a lot of limitations,but it is the only one that works for booting maemo+shr
Aug 10 17:55:43 <fpu> Name            Policy  State   Users
Aug 10 17:55:43 <fpu> GSM             auto    0       
Aug 10 17:55:43 <fpu> TEST            auto    0       
Aug 10 17:55:54 <fpu> that's without SIM code entered yet
Aug 10 17:58:27 <fpu> BUT when I try to enter pin:
Aug 10 17:58:28 <fpu> org.freesmartphone.Unavailable: This function is not available while modem is in state FSO_GSM_MODEM_STATUS_CLOSED
Aug 10 17:58:38 <fpu> hehe, my luck!
Aug 10 17:59:10 <PaulFertser> fpu: i am supposed, yes.
Aug 10 17:59:12 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: what kind of limitations do uboot have or what are you missing ?
Aug 10 17:59:32 <PaulFertser> fpu: so, correct output, but you do not have frameworkd python daemon started
Aug 10 17:59:47 <PaulFertser> fpu: and Zhone expects it to be running.
Aug 10 17:59:50 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: i know uboot from freerunner and i decided to use qi
Aug 10 17:59:59 <fpu> after startup
Aug 10 18:00:01 <fpu> pstree | grep fso shows
Aug 10 18:00:17 <fpu> fsogsmd and fsousaged
Aug 10 18:00:29 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: for example,partition table,you *need* to have three partitions in your card, 1 Rootfs, 2 - *NOTHING*, 3 - Boot partition
Aug 10 18:00:32 <PaulFertser> fpu: you also need frameworkd
Aug 10 18:00:43 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: that is only bad when you have a small uSD card
Aug 10 18:01:54 <fpu> frameworkd starts from /etc/init.d/ script at boot
Aug 10 18:02:00 <fpu> and when I start it manually
Aug 10 18:02:03 <fpu> it doesn't print anything
Aug 10 18:02:04 <fpu> just closes
Aug 10 18:02:58 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: that was the reason to use qi on freerunner because kernel updates always broke my boot process
Aug 10 18:03:42 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: i don't know qi..
Aug 10 18:04:37 <fpu> hmm
Aug 10 18:04:40 <fpu> actually it runs
Aug 10 18:04:43 <fpu> as frameworkd
Aug 10 18:04:45 <fpu> in the background
Aug 10 18:05:00 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: how big can an external µSD card be ? is SDHC (i mean the high speed versions) supported ?
Aug 10 18:05:27 <fpu> nschle85: are you talking freeerunner?
Aug 10 18:05:38 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: i don't know,the more bigger i have is a 4GB one :)
Aug 10 18:06:18 <nschle85> fpu: no i ask for N900 because i want to buy one and want to know what kind of external sd card i can use
Aug 10 18:06:24 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: but iirc there are peoples that finely uses 16gb..
Aug 10 18:07:36 <fpu> even 32gb, uncle google says
Aug 10 18:07:41 <PaulFertser> fpu: you should run frameworkd before fsousaged.
Aug 10 18:08:11 <fpu> PaulFertser: I think it's frameworkd that runs first and then starts fsogsmd and fsousage
Aug 10 18:08:14 <fpu> d
Aug 10 18:08:14 <nschle85> fpu: i dont believe in google :-)
Aug 10 18:08:20 <fpu> I tried killing fsousaged
Aug 10 18:08:23 <fpu> and it just restarts
Aug 10 18:09:14 <angelox|laptop> maybe i'm the only one which has two 1gb uSD :)
Aug 10 18:10:41 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: this would not fit to me because the navit world map has round about 1G :-)
Aug 10 18:11:09 <PaulFertser> fpu: yes, you need to start frameworkd _after_ fsousaged
Aug 10 18:11:38 <fpu> hmm
Aug 10 18:12:18 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: you can also use internal 32GB n900's emmc
Aug 10 18:13:14 <fpu> PaulFertser: when fsogsmd and fsousaged were running I launcher frameworkd
Aug 10 18:13:24 <fpu> it's not printing anything but running
Aug 10 18:13:28 <fpu> and zhone still doesn't connect
Aug 10 18:13:51 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: i dont want to use the internal one, because i would like to use a journaling file system, which is not good for flash lifetime
Aug 10 18:14:06 <angelox|laptop> ah ok..
Aug 10 18:14:12 <angelox|laptop> ok,did boot shr on n900
Aug 10 18:14:58 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: ..... does it start ? .....
Aug 10 18:15:23 <angelox|laptop> yes,there was the shr wizard..
Aug 10 18:15:28 <fpu> nschle85: it's mostly paranoidism these days, any mmc/sd or similar today has wear leveling mechanism
Aug 10 18:15:30 <angelox|laptop> and it's running prety well now
Aug 10 18:16:04 <nschle85> fpu: i am a kind of paranoid :-)
Aug 10 18:16:32 <fpu> ok
Aug 10 18:16:38 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: do you have any navigation software installed ?
Aug 10 18:16:43 <fpu> If it was my phone maybe I'd be more wary too
Aug 10 18:16:44 <fpu> :-)
Aug 10 18:16:48 <PaulFertser> fpu: do you see all the other resources in lsfsor now?
Aug 10 18:17:19 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: you can go into the settings and activate the gps manually and wait for GPS fix please ?
Aug 10 18:17:26 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: There's a GPS & Map app,i'm opening it now to check,but there's no maps..
Aug 10 18:17:40 <fpu> there is nothing beside "TEST" in lsfsor
Aug 10 18:17:57 <PaulFertser> fpu: means fsogsmd is not running and frameworkd is not running.
Aug 10 18:18:05 <fpu> let me restart everything, eh
Aug 10 18:18:08 <PaulFertser> fpu: or something else is wrong, check your logs.
Aug 10 18:18:22 <fpu> first fsogsmd, then fsousaged, then frameworkd right?
Aug 10 18:18:24 <fpu> all as root
Aug 10 18:18:28 <fpu> and then zhone as user
Aug 10 18:18:36 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: starting the gps in settings and wait for incoming fix should be enough
Aug 10 18:18:40 <fpu> is that right sequence?
Aug 10 18:19:16 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: GPS settings tells: "Couldn't load module: error in line 72[]DBusExeption: org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnkNown: resource gps had never been registered"
Aug 10 18:19:31 <PaulFertser> fpu: no, fsousaged first
Aug 10 18:19:38 <angelox|laptop> maybe PaulFertser know something?
Aug 10 18:19:39 <angelox|laptop> :)
Aug 10 18:19:59 <fpu> fsousaged, fsogsmd, frameworkd ?
Aug 10 18:20:01 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: do PaulFertser: have a N900 ?
Aug 10 18:20:13 <PaulFertser> nschle85: i do, but i can't use it because shr is not nearly ready :(
Aug 10 18:20:38 <PaulFertser> fpu: right, and look at the logs carefully
Aug 10 18:20:46 <fpu> ok
Aug 10 18:20:59 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: on n900? GPS is not supported by free software there i'm afraid.
Aug 10 18:21:22 <angelox|laptop> wow :\
Aug 10 18:21:25 <angelox|laptop> i didn't know
Aug 10 18:21:31 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: for n900 it's required to talk ISI protocol to the gsm modem to get gps data.
Aug 10 18:21:35 <nschle85> PaulFertser: do you mean SHR-CORE or the ole OE>dev based version ?
Aug 10 18:21:47 <fpu> nschle85: I think ofono works well with N900
Aug 10 18:21:59 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: and also it works suboptimally without AGPS data from the internet, and nobody's implemented that yet.
Aug 10 18:22:41 <angelox|laptop> i see..
Aug 10 18:23:16 <nschle85> PaulFertser: where is the problem ? specs or time ?
Aug 10 18:25:14 <PaulFertser> nschle85: there're some reasonable specs but nobody qualified enough has enough time.
Aug 10 18:25:56 <nschle85> PaulFertser: ok i understand 
Aug 10 18:26:28 <PaulFertser> nschle85: specs being some odd header file from the Nokia SDK plus some (not that clear) documentation about ISI protocol.
Aug 10 18:26:52 <PaulFertser> nschle85: also there exists basic wireshark dissector for the n900 gsp frames.
Aug 10 18:27:09 <fpu> PaulFerster: can't kill fsogsmd and fsousaged
Aug 10 18:27:15 <fpu> they just keep restarting :o
Aug 10 18:27:20 <PaulFertser> fpu: they do indeed.
Aug 10 18:27:24 <PaulFertser> fpu: dbus activation
Aug 10 18:27:38 <PaulFertser> fpu: start frameworkd then.
Aug 10 18:28:03 <PaulFertser> fpu: if you see the GSM resource present, means fsousaged and fsogsmd are all right, and you need frameworkd then.
Aug 10 18:28:26 <fpu> GSM present and frameworkd running
Aug 10 18:28:28 <fpu> :-)
Aug 10 18:28:31 <fpu> does that mean zhone must work
Aug 10 18:28:33 <fpu> ?
Aug 10 18:28:59 <PaulFertser> fpu: do you see frameworkd resources registered with lsfsor?
Aug 10 18:29:06 <fpu> there is GSM and TEST
Aug 10 18:29:24 <PaulFertser> fpu: check frameworkd logs
Aug 10 18:29:34 <fpu> ok
Aug 10 18:30:11 <PaulFertser> fpu: and when you are trying zhone, start it from the terminal to see all of its output
Aug 10 18:30:14 <nschle85> PaulFertser: if i understand you, there is no 100% clear documentation... am I right ?
Aug 10 18:30:22 <PaulFertser> nschle85: right
Aug 10 18:30:34 <fpu> frameworkd.log is long and I don't know how to read it
Aug 10 18:30:37 <fpu> let me pastebin
Aug 10 18:31:08 <PaulFertser> nschle85: but enough to get it going afaict. Given some persistence and skill. But without AGPS, that would probably be considerably harder. But who knows.
Aug 10 18:32:20 <fpu> http://pastebin.com/F5SnscJz
Aug 10 18:33:36 <PaulFertser> fpu: you have no fsodeviced running
Aug 10 18:34:04 <fpu> http://pastebin.com/xzNPzy7d that's zhone
Aug 10 18:34:10 <fpu> hmm I need it right?
Aug 10 18:34:11 <fpu> :p
Aug 10 18:34:24 <nschle85> PaulFertser: does nokia give any support ? or are there other open soure distributions which work with gps ?
Aug 10 18:34:49 <PaulFertser> fpu: right
Aug 10 18:34:55 <PaulFertser> nschle85: no, no
Aug 10 18:36:42 <nschle85> PaulFertser: what is ISI protocol ?
Aug 10 18:36:59 <fpu> hello gnutoo
Aug 10 18:37:00 <PaulFertser> nschle85: used to communicate with the GSM unit on n900.
Aug 10 18:37:14 <PaulFertser> fpu: WARNING could not create proxy for org.freesmartphone.odeviced:/org/freesmartphone/Device <-- that suggests you need fsodeviced indeed.
Aug 10 18:37:16 <gnutoo> yes and with the GPS that is atached to the modem too
Aug 10 18:37:46 <nschle85> PaulFertser: can the communication be recorded ?
Aug 10 18:37:52 <gnutoo> yes
Aug 10 18:37:56 <PaulFertser> fpu: also enable ogpsd in your config (from your log: skipping subsystem ogpsd as requested via config file.)
Aug 10 18:37:57 <gnutoo> tcpdump 
Aug 10 18:38:07 <gnutoo> tcpdump the phonet0 interface
Aug 10 18:38:20 <fpu> PaulFertser: is it neccessary? I want phone now, gps /maybe/ later
Aug 10 18:38:57 <nschle85> gnutoo: what  is the status of GPS support in shr ? 
Aug 10 18:38:58 <angelox|laptop> hi gnutoo!
Aug 10 18:39:15 <PaulFertser> fpu: probably it's necessary for zhone, you can simply enable it in frameworkd config.
Aug 10 18:39:15 <gnutoo> it works for htcdream, and the freerunner
Aug 10 18:39:24 <gnutoo> see the hardware comparison at fso
Aug 10 18:39:32 <gnutoo> *fso wiki
Aug 10 18:39:34 <nschle85> gnutoo: sorry i mean shr on N900
Aug 10 18:39:50 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 18:40:03 <gnutoo> on n900 it has been decoded but not implmented
Aug 10 18:40:18 <mrmoku> nschle85: I don't think someone of us has started to work on gps for n900
Aug 10 18:41:04 <mrmoku> playa got one and is very interested in gps... though I think he is very busy with daywork
Aug 10 18:41:17 <nschle85> gnutoo: where is it documented ?
Aug 10 18:41:25 <PaulFertser> nschle85: see, i was correct ;)
Aug 10 18:41:41 <gnutoo> in a wireshark plugin
Aug 10 18:42:06 <gnutoo> and in maemo wiki
Aug 10 18:42:06 <PaulFertser> gnutoo: there's also that magic header file and the ISI documentation.
Aug 10 18:42:16 <gnutoo> yes right
Aug 10 18:42:24 <gnutoo> where's morphiis?
Aug 10 18:42:28 <nschle85> PaulFertser: I know that you are right :-)
Aug 10 18:43:19 <nschle85> gnutoo: what is the name of the wireshark plugin ?
Aug 10 18:43:41 <gnutoo> let me look buyt my internet is very very very slow
Aug 10 18:43:57 <gnutoo> maybe it's hosted inon fso
Aug 10 18:44:57 <gnutoo> ah no
Aug 10 18:45:43 <PaulFertser> nschle85: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=isi-wireshark-plugin.git;a=summary
Aug 10 18:45:44 <gnutoo> captainigloo: ping
Aug 10 18:46:06 <gnutoo> ah it was on sHR
Aug 10 18:46:45 <fpu> how can I specify fsodeviced.conf file to fsodeviced?
Aug 10 18:46:53 <fpu> it fails on starting and I think it may be this
Aug 10 18:47:07 <fpu> it's /etc/freesmartphone/conf/htcleo/fsodeviced.conf, but how to show it to fsodeviced?
Aug 10 18:47:09 <gnutoo> fpu it search in paths
Aug 10 18:47:21 <gnutoo> cat /proc/cpuinfo
Aug 10 18:47:26 <gnutoo> and look for your machine name
Aug 10 18:47:28 <nschle85> PaulFertser: thank you, i added it to my favorites
Aug 10 18:47:36 <PaulFertser> nschle85: lol
Aug 10 18:47:43 <gnutoo> anyway ... dcordes pushed the configs
Aug 10 18:47:45 <gnutoo> so it should work
Aug 10 18:47:48 <fpu> hmm
Aug 10 18:47:55 <fpu> 2011-08-10T18:45:16.297088Z [CRITICAL] subsystem : Can't acquire service name org.freesmartphone.odeviced; service already running or not allowed in dbus configuration.
Aug 10 18:47:58 <fpu> Aborting due to critical error:
Aug 10 18:48:00 <fpu> 'Can't acquire service name org.freesmartphone.odeviced; service already running or not allowed in dbus configuration.'
Aug 10 18:48:03 <gnutoo> else you can try /etc/freesmartphone.conf
Aug 10 18:48:03 <fpu> that's from executing fsodeviced
Aug 10 18:48:13 <gnutoo> aha
Aug 10 18:48:26 <dos1> fpu: looks like something else already sits on org.freesmartphone.odeviced name
Aug 10 18:48:30 <gnutoo> try to disable odviced from frameworkd.conf
Aug 10 18:48:37 <dos1> fpu: check if it's odeviced from frameworkd
Aug 10 18:48:40 <fpu> I'm sorry, another fsodeviced was already running :p
Aug 10 18:48:59 <gnutoo> hi dos1, what are you working on?
Aug 10 18:49:30 <dos1> gnutoo: looking at what i would like to work on :)
Aug 10 18:49:41 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 18:49:58 <fpu> and here we have problem that I already experienced on my previous installation
Aug 10 18:49:59 <gnutoo> you have n900 and om-gta02 right?
Aug 10 18:50:08 <fpu> fsodeviced calls early_suspend soon after starting
Aug 10 18:50:14 <fpu> and this lefts my phone with blank screen
Aug 10 18:50:18 <fpu> how to disable it?
Aug 10 18:50:28 <dos1> gnutoo: yup
Aug 10 18:50:35 <PaulFertser> fpu: in its config disable auto-suspend.
Aug 10 18:50:37 <gnutoo> fpu, yes I've a fix
Aug 10 18:50:44 <fpu> in fsodeviced.conf?
Aug 10 18:50:55 <gnutoo> look how nexusone handles it in the config
Aug 10 18:50:56 <gnutoo> and copy it
Aug 10 18:51:00 <fpu> gnutoo: I took fsodeviced.conf, fsogsmd.conf, frameworkd.conf from nexusone
Aug 10 18:51:12 <PaulFertser> fpu: for gta02??? Why?
Aug 10 18:51:17 <gnutoo> then do you have a recent enough fsodeviced
Aug 10 18:51:23 <fpu> http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/downloads/openembedded/shr/ipk/nexusone/
Aug 10 18:51:53 <fpu> it's from fso debian alioth repository
Aug 10 18:51:57 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 18:52:14 <gnutoo> don't download now please, that would slow down my internet connection a lot
Aug 10 18:52:25 <gnutoo> I depend on that machine for ssh-vpn
Aug 10 18:52:33 <fpu> fso-deviced_0+git20100501-1~fso_armel.deb
Aug 10 18:52:45 <PaulFertser> gnutoo: time to start using some tc tricks? ;)
Aug 10 18:52:53 <gnutoo> lol maybe
Aug 10 18:52:57 <fpu> gnutoo: already downloaded some time ago
Aug 10 18:53:03 <gnutoo> I would need to learn tc first tough
Aug 10 18:53:09 <gnutoo> we would need tc for palmpre anyway
Aug 10 18:53:14 <gnutoo> or to fix the wifi driver
Aug 10 18:53:24 <gnutoo> fpu: I'll reformulate:
Aug 10 18:53:35 <nschle85> gnutoo: what is the progress on http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1465 ?
Aug 10 18:53:39 <gnutoo> does your debian fso has nexusone config or,
Aug 10 18:54:17 <fpu> http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/downloads/openembedded/shr/ipk/nexusone/
Aug 10 18:54:28 <fpu> I copied fsogsmd.conf, fsodeviced.conf from these packages
Aug 10 18:54:33 <fpu> to my /etc/freesmartphone/conf
Aug 10 18:54:40 <nschle85> gnutoo: i started myself creating proper bb files but at the moment i stopped because of knowledge
Aug 10 18:54:42 <fpu> and frameworkd.conf from these packages to my /etc/frameworkd.conf
Aug 10 18:54:48 <gnutoo> in other words if your debian package is too old it won't have the support for userspace suspend/resume for android kernels
Aug 10 18:54:54 <PaulFertser> fpu: running on what device?
Aug 10 18:55:05 <fpu> HD2
Aug 10 18:55:13 <fpu> actually in these packages was "htcleo" directory
Aug 10 18:55:14 <fpu> I used that
Aug 10 18:55:24 <gnutoo> nschle85: no idea I wan't that active theses days because I was blocked by some people:
Aug 10 18:55:45 <gnutoo> *larsc and weiss werent there for helping me fix gta02 bugs or xf86-video-glamo bugs
Aug 10 18:55:49 <fpu> PaulFerster: auto-suspend is disabled in fsodeviced.conf aye?
Aug 10 18:56:26 <gnutoo> *JaMa was absent a lot, do was mickeyl so build issues couldn't be fixed and the htcdream's pin either
Aug 10 18:56:57 <fpu> gnutoo: is the version I gave you too old?
Aug 10 18:57:06 <fpu>  fso-deviced_0+git20100501-1~fso_armel.de
Aug 10 18:57:06 <gnutoo> *I was also waiting for mrmoku's new audio implementation for working on blueooth gta02 implementation
Aug 10 18:57:31 <PaulFertser> fpu: yes, fsodeviced.conf
Aug 10 18:57:37 <gnutoo> fpu: the 20100501 is a date
Aug 10 18:57:45 <gnutoo> ?
Aug 10 18:57:51 <fpu> yes
Aug 10 18:57:52 <gnutoo> if so, yes it's way too old
Aug 10 18:57:53 <PaulFertser> fpu: suspend = 30
Aug 10 18:57:57 <PaulFertser> Is what i have
Aug 10 18:58:03 <fpu> ok we'll worry about suspend later
Aug 10 18:58:08 <fpu> for now I'll just disable this
Aug 10 18:58:24 <nschle85> gnutoo: i tried to provide a fix but compiling does not work... so i need some help
Aug 10 18:58:28 <gnutoo> I added support for userspace android suspend/resume very recently
Aug 10 18:59:16 <gnutoo> nschle85: ahhhh sorry I remember now
Aug 10 18:59:32 <gnutoo> Indeed I started working on it but got some issues
Aug 10 18:59:42 <fpu> gnutoo: it's good to hear though that it will work :-) that's one of features I DIDN'T expect to work at all
Aug 10 18:59:55 <gnutoo> it worked only for native and not for target or the countrary
Aug 10 19:00:00 <fpu> PaulFertser: I don't have any suspend lines in fsodeviced.conf
Aug 10 19:00:08 <fpu> what and in which section should I add?
Aug 10 19:00:11 <gnutoo> fpu: as can work you have:
Aug 10 19:00:17 <gnutoo> *telephony(very easy)
Aug 10 19:00:26 <gnutoo> *3g(easier)
Aug 10 19:00:27 <PaulFertser> fpu: [fsodevice.kernel_idle]
Aug 10 19:00:30 <fpu> yep, working on telephony right now
Aug 10 19:00:36 <gnutoo> *alsa(cotulla is working on it)
Aug 10 19:01:06 <gnutoo> *gps(you have to convert android gps userspace lib to GNU/Linmux,the lib is floss)
Aug 10 19:01:30 <gnutoo> *bluetooth(limited support, some stuff can work such as keyboards)
Aug 10 19:01:50 <gnutoo> you need some small kenrel work for:
Aug 10 19:01:53 <gnutoo> *backlight
Aug 10 19:02:03 <fpu> PaulFertser: just "disable auto-suspend" in this section?
Aug 10 19:02:06 <gnutoo> but maybe it's already done
Aug 10 19:02:08 <fpu> backlight? what's wrong with it?
Aug 10 19:02:10 <fpu> it works ok
Aug 10 19:02:16 <PaulFertser> fpu: suspend=0 i guess
Aug 10 19:02:17 <gnutoo> then it's already converted
Aug 10 19:02:22 <fpu> :-)
Aug 10 19:02:24 <nschle85> gnutoo: and what do we now ? the problem is that the computer where i compile is th the room where my little son sleeps.... 
Aug 10 19:02:24 <gnutoo> android usually use led API
Aug 10 19:02:45 <gnutoo> for display backlight
Aug 10 19:03:10 <gnutoo> nschle85: I will try to continue to work on it when I've time and ask JaMa for help
Aug 10 19:03:22 <gnutoo> but I forgotten in the past....sorry
Aug 10 19:04:13 <PaulFertser> nschle85: just ssh in then and compile remotely ;)
Aug 10 19:04:21 <gnutoo> I hope I won't forget again in the future
Aug 10 19:04:45 <nschle85> gnutoo: dont be sorry ill also try to fix and learn... 
Aug 10 19:05:25 <gnutoo> I'll look
Aug 10 19:05:30 <gnutoo> if I've something already
Aug 10 19:05:48 <gnutoo> let me connect my externals hdds where I've shr-core
Aug 10 19:07:42 <nschle85> PaulFertser: not today ... tomorrow i have access but gnutoo seems to have a solution
Aug 10 19:11:57 <gnutoo> I've no solution but a progress
Aug 10 19:12:42 <gnutoo> at least I tried to do it for oe.dev
Aug 10 19:12:49 <gnutoo> let me look if I've something for shr-core
Aug 10 19:13:18 <gnutoo> yes I've something
Aug 10 19:13:55 <fpu> hmm
Aug 10 19:14:00 <nschle85> gnutoo: but i think oe dev compiles
Aug 10 19:14:02 <fpu> after suspend=0 in fsodeviced.conf
Aug 10 19:14:05 <fpu> it still suspends
Aug 10 19:14:53 <gnutoo> http://www.pastie.org/2351792
Aug 10 19:16:19 <gnutoo> I'll see if it compiles
Aug 10 19:16:21 <gnutoo> hi morphis 
Aug 10 19:16:26 <gnutoo> I was looking for you
Aug 10 19:16:34 <gnutoo> I got a mail from adamski
Aug 10 19:16:39 <morphis> heyho
Aug 10 19:16:45 <morphis> gnutoo: you got one?
Aug 10 19:16:47 <morphis> yeah
Aug 10 19:17:01 <gnutoo> *adam danielski
Aug 10 19:17:05 <gnutoo> yes they only have:
Aug 10 19:17:10 <gnutoo> north american palm pre
Aug 10 19:17:20 <gnutoo> or international hp veer
Aug 10 19:17:46 <nschle85> gnutoo: i think this will not work because 0.4 is not hostet in svn ?
Aug 10 19:17:47 <morphis> and which one do you want?
Aug 10 19:18:03 <gnutoo> it's tarballs
Aug 10 19:18:19 <gnutoo> I wanted a palm pre 2 which worked in europe
Aug 10 19:18:24 <morphis> :)
Aug 10 19:18:31 <gnutoo> I'm not sure their north american palm pre 2 work in europe
Aug 10 19:18:39 <gnutoo> maybe it's CDMA?
Aug 10 19:18:42 <morphis> I have a norht american palm pre
Aug 10 19:18:46 <gnutoo> wow
Aug 10 19:18:48 <morphis> from att
Aug 10 19:18:49 <gnutoo> and it works?
Aug 10 19:18:52 <morphis> at&t
Aug 10 19:18:53 <morphis> yes
Aug 10 19:18:56 <gnutoo> nice
Aug 10 19:18:59 <morphis> but only GPRS/EDGE
Aug 10 19:18:59 <angelox|laptop> hey hi morphis!
Aug 10 19:19:02 <morphis> not UMTS
Aug 10 19:19:05 <morphis> angelox|laptop: heyho
Aug 10 19:19:12 <gnutoo> so no issues at all?
Aug 10 19:19:19 <morphis> no
Aug 10 19:19:25 <gnutoo> wow
Aug 10 19:19:52 <morphis> (if it's not the cdma one)
Aug 10 19:19:54 <gnutoo> however I've an issue,I am on hollidays
Aug 10 19:20:44 <morphis> gnutoo: and you can swap in the comm board from a european palm pre in the pre 2
Aug 10 19:20:47 <morphis> gnutoo: see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2
Aug 10 19:22:44 <morphis> mickeyl: ping
Aug 10 19:22:57 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r0d612eb63906 10/aurora-applications/main/Makefile.am: aurora-applications: main: fix install path for main qml file
Aug 10 19:22:57 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rc89e05d647ed 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): aurora-applications: app-phone: fix information shown on active call page
Aug 10 19:22:58 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r8027217f5687 10/aurora-applications/app-phone/CallPage.qml: aurora-applications: app-phone: minor style correction
Aug 10 19:23:19 <morphis> angelox|laptop: we need to talk about the future of aurora after the first release
Aug 10 19:25:02 <angelox|laptop> morphis: yes..
Aug 10 19:26:13 <angelox|laptop> morphis: by the way,did you registered aurora's website or you're waiting mickeyl's opnion?
Aug 10 19:27:44 <fpu> Name            Policy  State   Users
Aug 10 19:27:44 <fpu> Display         auto    0       
Aug 10 19:27:44 <fpu> GSM             auto    0       
Aug 10 19:27:44 <fpu> Bluetooth       auto    0       
Aug 10 19:27:44 <fpu> TEST            auto    0       
Aug 10 19:27:46 <fpu> CPU             auto    0       
Aug 10 19:27:49 <fpu> now it's better :-)
Aug 10 19:27:57 <morphis> angelox|laptop: no I didn't register it yet
Aug 10 19:28:11 <morphis> angelox|laptop: I will do it in the next days
Aug 10 19:28:43 <angelox|laptop> morphis: ok
Aug 10 19:29:25 <LionKMP> Hi, can Neo FR do EGNOS position correction on GPS? (The GPS unit's page says it supports EGNOS)
Aug 10 19:29:27 <fpu> aaaand zhone asks for PIN! :-) :-) :-)
Aug 10 19:30:25 <nschle85> fpu: conratulations :-)
Aug 10 19:30:56 <morphis> angelox|laptop: you already checked GSM support on the N900?
Aug 10 19:31:06 <morphis> gnutoo: so you will choose the north american pre 2?
Aug 10 19:31:08 <fpu> it still doesn't work though
Aug 10 19:31:12 <fpu> but I think it's zhone issue
Aug 10 19:31:46 <gnutoo> yesmhowever I'm not in italy...if I request it now it will arrive when I'm not there
Aug 10 19:32:31 <angelox|laptop> morphis: not really,sorry,these days i had no too much time.
Aug 10 19:32:49 <morphis> angelox|laptop: ok
Aug 10 19:36:08 <PaulFertser> fpu: i think the changes needed to make it run are really minimal. Or you can try phonefsod+phoneuid now.
Aug 10 19:38:17 <fpu> PaulFertser: do you think these blackscreens in phoneuid were related to frameworkd not working?
Aug 10 19:38:53 <fpu> phoneuid debian packages are broken, but I got them working yesterday
Aug 10 19:38:57 <fpu> so let's begin now :-)
Aug 10 19:39:18 <PaulFertser> fpu: no idea tbh
Aug 10 19:39:34 <angelox|laptop> morphis: btw,we should make,someway,aurora auto-defines the screen resolution for each device,maybe using the python main file,or using openembedded to pack a file for each machine
Aug 10 19:39:45 <PaulFertser> fpu: the original python zhone application is pretty small and understandable, if you know a bit of python you should be able to fix it.
Aug 10 19:40:01 <morphis> angelox|laptop: yes, thats something I already wrote on my list of things to do after the first release
Aug 10 19:40:59 <gnutoo> hmmmmm the pre-2 disassembly seem very hard, how much disassembly is required to get the supposed serial port connectors?
Aug 10 19:41:07 <fpu> PaulFertser: is there anyway to enter pin while frameworkd is running?
Aug 10 19:41:16 <fpu> from command line?
Aug 10 19:41:47 <gnutoo> yes there is
Aug 10 19:41:58 <gnutoo> try mdbus or mdbus2
Aug 10 19:42:40 <fpu> PaulFertser gave me working commands for mdbus2
Aug 10 19:42:45 <fpu> but
Aug 10 19:42:55 <fpu> now I have errors
Aug 10 19:42:56 <fpu> org.freesmartphone.Unavailable: This function is not available while modem is in state FSO_GSM_MODEM_STATUS_CLOSED
Aug 10 19:43:29 <mrmoku> which probably just means nothing requested the gsm resource
Aug 10 19:44:32 <gnutoo> morphis: did you see my previous message when I told I wasn't in italy?
Aug 10 19:44:32 <PaulFertser> fpu: you need to first have some program running that has GSM resource requested.
Aug 10 19:44:44 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: no :)))
Aug 10 19:44:52 <mrmoku> no?
Aug 10 19:45:19 <morphis> gnutoo: ah ok, thats the problem
Aug 10 19:45:21 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: the error clearly states fsogsmd is there but the modem is closed (probably nobody's it requested atm).
Aug 10 19:45:23 <morphis> gnutoo: when you are back?
Aug 10 19:45:43 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: ahh... not _probably_ then ?
Aug 10 19:45:44 <gnutoo> no idea
Aug 10 19:45:48 <gnutoo> I must olook
Aug 10 19:46:13 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: either that, or it was requested but then fsogsmd thought something bad happened and closed it.
Aug 10 19:46:18 <fpu> I think I know how to do it
Aug 10 19:46:30 <mrmoku> ok :)
Aug 10 19:48:27 <gnutoo> JaMa|Off: hi
Aug 10 19:49:04 <gnutoo> tomorrow I'm away, so I guess I'll write the mainl on friday
Aug 10 19:53:10 <fpu> excuse stupidity but I can't crack it, how can initialize gsm from mdbus2?
Aug 10 19:54:16 <JaMa|Off> gnutoo: hi
Aug 10 19:55:42 <gnutoo> JaMa|Off: did you try shr-core images on target?
Aug 10 19:56:07 <gnutoo> fpu: mdbus2 -i -s
Aug 10 19:56:35 <gnutoo> fpu and play with ousaged to request the gsm resource
Aug 10 19:57:03 <gnutoo> like on om-gta02 for instance
Aug 10 19:57:15 <gnutoo> II'd like to know how to boot it
Aug 10 19:57:24 <gnutoo> microsd or NAND?
Aug 10 19:57:28 <fpu> ousaged, ok...I played with ogsmd ;-)
Aug 10 19:57:50 <gnutoo> 1)play with ousaged to request gsm resource
Aug 10 19:58:13 <gnutoo> 2)play with ogsmd after 1)
Aug 10 19:58:17 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * rf9913d274a61 10/palmpre/tellbootie/src/tellbootie.c: tellbootie: get arguments of reboot method in the right order
Aug 10 19:59:23 <gnutoo> playing with fsogdsmd means doing the equivalent of AT+CFUN(set functionality)
Aug 10 19:59:41 <gnutoo> then asking it for registering if it doesn't register
Aug 10 20:00:05 <gnutoo> note that even if you're using debian you could look at the 2 SHR poritng guides
Aug 10 20:00:13 <gnutoo> *porting
Aug 10 20:01:12 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r5f0a065ce98e 10/palmpre/tellbootie/src/Makefile.am: tellbootie: install it to sbin directory rather than to bin
Aug 10 20:02:05 <fpu> actually I'd prefer SHR if it wasn't for number of available packages
Aug 10 20:02:21 <fpu> Debian has lot of desktop bloat, like man pages etc.
Aug 10 20:02:32 <gnutoo> shr is for armv7,armv6,armv4 so it should be faster
Aug 10 20:02:49 <gnutoo> *armv6-novfp
Aug 10 20:04:38 <gnutoo> JaMa|Off: what works or doesn't work with om-gta02 with shr-core?
Aug 10 20:12:41 <gnutoo> nschle85: I've that now:
Aug 10 20:12:46 <gnutoo> | path2devnum.c:(.text+0x265): undefined reference to `usb_get_busses'
Aug 10 20:13:11 <gnutoo> dfu-util-native-0.4
Aug 10 20:13:34 <nschle85> i have<that too
Aug 10 20:14:16 <gnutoo> http://www.pastie.org/2352084
Aug 10 20:14:22 <gnutoo> yes but it's with 0.4
Aug 10 20:14:32 <gnutoo> which is made for a recent libusb
Aug 10 20:14:39 <nschle85> i know
Aug 10 20:14:46 <gnutoo> I pasted the recipes not so long ago here
Aug 10 20:15:35 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rc0c8a74f2097 10/aurora-theme/ (5 files in 3 dirs): aurora-theme: add ringtone sound
Aug 10 20:16:02 <nschle85> gnutoo: that is the same problem i stopped to develop the recipe
Aug 10 20:17:19 <nschle85> gnutoo: in my oppinion the problem is with usbpath
Aug 10 20:17:37 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 20:17:44 <nschle85> if i compile the sources where no linusbpath exists all is fine
Aug 10 20:17:46 <gnutoo> where does usb_get_busses comes from
Aug 10 20:17:47 <gnutoo> ?
Aug 10 20:17:56 <gnutoo> ah?
Aug 10 20:18:22 <nschle85> gnutoo: do you ask me ?
Aug 10 20:18:32 <gnutoo> yes
Aug 10 20:18:40 <gnutoo> I can look too tough
Aug 10 20:19:01 <nschle85> gnutoo: i did not look because my son has to go to bed
Aug 10 20:19:06 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 20:19:09 <gnutoo> I'll look
Aug 10 20:19:14 <gnutoo> -rw-r--r--  1 gnutoo gnutoo    9322 2011-07-21 14:34 libusbpath.a
Aug 10 20:19:19 <gnutoo> that's all I found
Aug 10 20:19:30 <gnutoo> in sysroot/x86_64-linux/usr/lib/
Aug 10 20:20:21 <nschle85> so i think usb-util should be build without libusbpath
Aug 10 20:20:47 <gnutoo> dfu-util?
Aug 10 20:20:53 <gnutoo> or usb-util?
Aug 10 20:21:09 <nschle85> gnutoo: sorry dfu-util
Aug 10 20:21:12 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 20:21:49 <nschle85> gnutoo: but i dont know will it work or not
Aug 10 20:22:27 <nschle85> the native ubuntu build does compile without it
Aug 10 20:22:53 <gnutoo> AC_CHECK_LIB([usbpath],[usb_path2devnum],,,-lusb)
Aug 10 20:22:54 <nschle85> gnutoo: but i did not test the binary itself
Aug 10 20:23:10 <nschle85> gnutoo: yep
Aug 10 20:23:48 <gnutoo> maybe I'll do a patch
Aug 10 20:24:05 <nschle85> gnutoo: yes, this would i do
Aug 10 20:24:44 <nschle85> gnutoo: but why is usbpath needed, how des the program behave without ?
Aug 10 20:25:07 <gnutoo> no idea
Aug 10 20:25:36 <gnutoo> but yes it compiles without
Aug 10 20:25:40 <nschle85> gnutoo: whats your src_uri ?
Aug 10 20:25:44 <gnutoo> ?
Aug 10 20:25:53 <gnutoo> I pasted the recipes
Aug 10 20:26:01 <gnutoo> http://www.pastie.org/2351792
Aug 10 20:26:26 <gnutoo> so the src_uri is from the required inc files
Aug 10 20:28:15 <nschle85> gnutoo: and that works ???? i thought the  0.4 archives  are hosted somwhere else but let me look
Aug 10 20:28:35 <gnutoo> yes
Aug 10 20:28:40 <gnutoo> wait a sec
Aug 10 20:29:07 <gnutoo> SRC_URI = "http://dfu-util.gnumonks.org/releases/dfu-util-${PV}.tar.gz"
Aug 10 20:29:08 <gnutoo> SRC_URI = "http://dfu-util.gnumonks.org/releases/dfu-util-${PV}.tar.gz"
Aug 10 20:29:10 <gnutoo> oops
Aug 10 20:29:18 <gnutoo> I pasted twice....
Aug 10 20:31:43 <nschle85> gnutoo: yes you are right, i created a recipe which uses git and therefore you need anew repository
Aug 10 20:31:56 <gnutoo> ?
Aug 10 20:32:06 <gnutoo> basically require foo.inc means
Aug 10 20:32:16 <gnutoo> that you inherit what's in the foo.inc recipe
Aug 10 20:32:48 <nschle85> gnutoo: i copied the svn recipe ... as base so dont be confused.
Aug 10 20:32:58 <gnutoo> use mines
Aug 10 20:33:24 <nschle85> gnutoo: does it compile ?
Aug 10 20:33:30 <gnutoo> in what form do you want them?
Aug 10 20:33:37 <gnutoo> tarball? git patch?
Aug 10 20:33:43 <gnutoo> I hope so....
Aug 10 20:33:49 <gnutoo> I'll try them now
Aug 10 20:34:12 <nschle85> gnutoo: checked into git because i have no git write access
Aug 10 20:34:31 <gnutoo> what git has to do with it?
Aug 10 20:34:35 <gnutoo> I don't understand
Aug 10 20:34:37 <gnutoo> anyway
Aug 10 20:34:49 <gnutoo> do you want a git patch or a tarball?
Aug 10 20:34:50 <nschle85> or attach them to the ticket an jama will pull them
Aug 10 20:34:58 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 20:36:14 <angelox|laptop> morphis: may i add to aurora_image tslib-calibrate package?
Aug 10 20:36:20 <nschle85> gnutoo: i think all sources are managed in git ? and you can push ?
Aug 10 20:37:47 <gnutoo> sent
Aug 10 20:37:52 <gnutoo> no idea
Aug 10 20:37:55 <gnutoo> it's the new oe
Aug 10 20:39:04 <nschle85> gnutoo: thats also my problem... the recipes are somewhere in some repositories ....
Aug 10 20:41:11 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 20:42:09 <nschle85> gnutoo: i prefer your recipe here: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/meta-openembedded-contrib/tree/meta-oe/recipes-support/dfu-util?h=shr
Aug 10 20:43:00 <nschle85> gnutoo: its the shr branch of meta-oe-contrib
Aug 10 20:45:41 <gnutoo> newer version
Aug 10 20:45:52 <gnutoo> in trac
Aug 10 20:45:58 <morphis> angelox|laptop: why?
Aug 10 20:46:24 <nschle85> gnutoo: thank you
Aug 10 20:46:44 <nschle85> gnutoo: and who fixes the upstream version ?
Aug 10 20:47:10 <gnutoo> JaMa I guess
Aug 10 20:47:34 <gnutoo> or me
Aug 10 20:47:40 <angelox|laptop> morphis: well,just for touchscreen calibration before aurora's own touchscreen calibration app..
Aug 10 20:47:45 <gnutoo> but I've some connection issues
Aug 10 20:47:50 <gnutoo> and tomorrow I'm away....
Aug 10 20:49:05 <nschle85> gnutoo: so have a nice day, hope jama will be back sometimes ...
Aug 10 20:50:04 <nschle85> gnutoo: hope the deal with my N900 will take place...
Aug 10 20:50:15 <gnutoo> ?
Aug 10 20:51:19 <nschle85> gnutoo: tomorrow my little brother will buy a used N900 for me I found. I am currently in estonia and he will buy it in berlin for me
Aug 10 20:51:36 <gnutoo> ah ok
Aug 10 20:53:17 <nschle85> gnutoo: do you also have a n900 ?
Aug 10 20:53:26 <gnutoo> yes
Aug 10 20:53:34 <gnutoo> I've many phones....
Aug 10 20:54:09 <PaulFertser> None of which is really functional ;)
Aug 10 20:54:20 <nschle85> gnutoo: i have a wife, so i have not the money for many phones
Aug 10 20:54:27 <gnutoo> replicant phones are functional....
Aug 10 20:54:39 <gnutoo> neither do I, I got some for free
Aug 10 20:54:41 * angelox|laptop is now with the same problems as fpu was
Aug 10 20:54:45 <morphis> angelox|laptop: you really need to calibrate the n900 touchscreen=
Aug 10 20:54:50 <morphis> ?
Aug 10 20:54:52 <PaulFertser> gnutoo: but i really am amazed how much effort you put in it, keep up the good work, that's rather cool you're constantly improving anything :)  
Aug 10 20:54:56 <PaulFertser> something
Aug 10 20:55:01 <angelox|laptop> morphis: yep,but just one time :0
Aug 10 20:55:05 <angelox|laptop> :) *
Aug 10 20:55:07 <gnutoo> thanks
Aug 10 20:55:14 <morphis> you need it with maemon/meego too?
Aug 10 20:55:31 <gnutoo> xinput_calibrator is the way to go on nokia900
Aug 10 20:55:54 <angelox|laptop> morphis: no..
Aug 10 20:56:03 <nschle85> gnutoo: i am also surprised how often you push to oe git....
Aug 10 20:56:07 <angelox|laptop> gnutoo: xinput_calibrator isn't only for X servers?
Aug 10 20:56:45 <fpu> (process:6703): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: Resource Status: Display --> OFF
Aug 10 20:56:57 <fpu> can this be cause for dialer black screen?
Aug 10 20:57:28 <gnutoo> currently I am in hollidays + waiting for some people to show up + slow internet or no internet => I'm currently slown down a lot!!!
Aug 10 20:57:48 <gnutoo> angelox|laptop: yes it's for X
Aug 10 20:57:56 <gnutoo> I forgott that you use the framebuffer only
Aug 10 20:58:17 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: I hangs on "org.freesmartphone.Unavailable: This function is not available while modem is in state FSO_GSM_MODEM_STATUS_CLOSED" like fpu :) what were the steps? :)
Aug 10 20:58:30 <angelox|laptop> gnutoo: yes :)
Aug 10 20:58:39 <gnutoo> mdbus -i -s 
Aug 10 20:58:49 <gnutoo> activate the GSM with ousaged
Aug 10 20:58:55 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: request the GSM resource and observe the log.
Aug 10 20:59:13 <gnutoo> then set functionality with another mdbus2 instance with fsogsmd
Aug 10 20:59:36 <PaulFertser> Yep
Aug 10 20:59:44 <PaulFertser> SetFunctionality Full True
Aug 10 20:59:48 <gnutoo> then if it doesn't register automatically, ask it to register
Aug 10 20:59:51 <angelox|laptop> with mdbus -i -s without any other argument?
Aug 10 20:59:55 <morphis> so I am off for today
Aug 10 20:59:57 <morphis> bye
Aug 10 20:59:57 <gnutoo> and watch the logs like fsogsmd log
Aug 10 21:00:13 <gnutoo> nom full,true and pin
Aug 10 21:00:25 <gnutoo> the third argument is the pin
Aug 10 21:00:37 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: you can use it with -i to get interactive prompt (with history and readline editing support!) or without -i to just call from command line.
Aug 10 21:00:39 <gnutoo> "" if no pin
Aug 10 21:00:55 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: but you shouldn't leave the bus for ousaged, so you have to do it interactively.
Aug 10 21:01:07 <nschle85> gnutoo: ill go to bed... bye tomorrow ill test your patches... and confirm if successful
Aug 10 21:01:14 <fpu> mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetFunctionality "full" "True" "YOURPIN"
Aug 10 21:01:20 <gnutoo> because of bugs I advise to separate ousaged request from the rest
Aug 10 21:01:27 <angelox|laptop> hmm
Aug 10 21:01:34 <gnutoo> bugs cann kill the -i
Aug 10 21:01:35 <angelox|laptop> but i get a error with mdbus -s -i...
Aug 10 21:01:46 <fpu> what error :-)
Aug 10 21:01:56 <gnutoo> like it segfault and ....-i doesn't request anymore
Aug 10 21:01:57 <angelox|laptop> Service name not found
Aug 10 21:02:38 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: only -i and -s, no additional parameters
Aug 10 21:03:10 <angelox|laptop> http://pastebin.com/psrt3mTr
Aug 10 21:03:29 <angelox|laptop> btw,that ousaged isn't installed,is it an application?
Aug 10 21:03:53 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: fsousaged provides that
Aug 10 21:04:13 <angelox|laptop> fsousaged = ousaged ?
Aug 10 21:04:30 <gnutoo> fsousaged -> ousaged on the bus
Aug 10 21:04:41 <gnutoo> but fsousaged app != ousaged app
Aug 10 21:05:02 <angelox|laptop> i see..
Aug 10 21:05:15 <gnutoo> because ousaged app is from frameworkd
Aug 10 21:05:36 <PaulFertser> ousaged used to be a part of the python frameworkd, nowadays the same functionality (with the same API) is provided by a vala daemon.
Aug 10 21:05:48 <angelox|laptop> aurora's packages is completly different from shr packages...
Aug 10 21:06:04 <gnutoo> ah?
Aug 10 21:06:18 <gnutoo> last time I looked aurora used oe
Aug 10 21:06:23 <angelox|laptop> yes..
Aug 10 21:06:25 <gnutoo> with the aurora.conf distro
Aug 10 21:06:38 <angelox|laptop> but there was some package that wasn't in the repo
Aug 10 21:06:42 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 21:06:45 <angelox|laptop> so i used the shr ones..
Aug 10 21:06:53 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 21:06:55 <angelox|laptop> but mdbus stills don't working..
Aug 10 21:07:07 <gnutoo> note that mixing distros is bad
Aug 10 21:07:23 <gnutoo> it's like use flags
Aug 10 21:07:40 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: mdbus != mdbus2
Aug 10 21:07:47 <gnutoo> you can have use flags in oe, however it's bind to distros or machine arch stuff
Aug 10 21:07:48 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: that's why you have the error :)
Aug 10 21:08:02 <gnutoo> so if you change distro the use flag changes
Aug 10 21:08:12 <angelox|laptop> i see now PaulFertser :)
Aug 10 21:08:14 <gnutoo> like --with-x and --without-x
Aug 10 21:08:25 <gnutoo> mdbus2 is in vala
Aug 10 21:08:32 <gnutoo> mdbus is in python
Aug 10 21:08:39 <PaulFertser> And mdbus2 is _way_ cooler.
Aug 10 21:08:44 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 21:09:11 <angelox|laptop> i didn't know all there problems gnutoo..
Aug 10 21:09:26 <gnutoo> if you're lucky you won't get any issues
Aug 10 21:09:34 <gnutoo> but if you're unlucky.... you can get issues
Aug 10 21:09:44 <gnutoo> for instance the app expecting a lib
Aug 10 21:09:54 <gnutoo> and you have another lib version instead
Aug 10 21:10:08 <gnutoo> or different libc for instance
Aug 10 21:10:26 <gnutoo> like uclibc(micro-uclibc) and eglibc(shr)
Aug 10 21:11:37 <angelox|laptop> that will give a lot of errors..
Aug 10 21:11:49 <gnutoo> runtime and install time errors
Aug 10 21:13:16 <gnutoo> roughly it can work but it's not guaranteed to work
Aug 10 21:14:01 <fpu> damn, I'm asking this over and over...but what is dbus command to turn "Display" resource on
Aug 10 21:14:31 <gnutoo> fpu: you have android
Aug 10 21:14:39 <PaulFertser> fpu: use ``fsoraw'' command to manage FSO resources.
Aug 10 21:14:40 <gnutoo> android has strange drivers that are non-standard
Aug 10 21:14:53 <gnutoo> if the command doens't work
Aug 10 21:14:58 <gnutoo> look in your display diriver
Aug 10 21:15:17 <gnutoo> else I worked arround in userspace for the nexusone
Aug 10 21:15:47 <gnutoo> in fsousaged
Aug 10 21:15:59 <gnutoo> but as I said before you need a recent version of it
Aug 10 21:16:11 <fpu> actually there is some error with my current config that says it can't find backlight controls
Aug 10 21:16:12 <PaulFertser> fuck android :/
Aug 10 21:16:17 <fpu> I didn't take it seriously
Aug 10 21:16:35 <gnutoo> if it doesn't find the backlight
Aug 10 21:16:46 <gnutoo> you need to modify your backlight driver
Aug 10 21:16:52 <fpu> Android is very very good OS, it just annoys us who'd love to get all desktop apps on our phones ;-)
Aug 10 21:16:58 <gnutoo> it''s not that hard
Aug 10 21:17:01 <fpu> backlight works
Aug 10 21:17:14 <fpu> I can control it by echo brightness level > /sys/something/
Aug 10 21:17:15 <gnutoo> in shr-settings?
Aug 10 21:17:23 <fpu> I don't have shr-settings
Aug 10 21:17:26 <gnutoo> ah ok
Aug 10 21:17:35 <gnutoo> does it work with mdbus2?
Aug 10 21:17:41 <gnutoo> like with fsodeviced
Aug 10 21:17:53 <gnutoo> because /sys/class/backlight is the standard api
Aug 10 21:17:59 <gnutoo> /sys/class/led isn't
Aug 10 21:18:09 <PaulFertser> fpu: i can't see how android is any good. Bunch of non-standard shit, no nice repository, no gsm telephony support (out-of-the-box) and other OS-level integration.
Aug 10 21:18:30 <gnutoo> here it was easy enough to handle it in the kernel that we didn't bother to change it in userspace
Aug 10 21:18:58 <gnutoo> PaulFertser: if their kernel was standard it would even be a huge benefit for them
Aug 10 21:19:45 <gnutoo> easier port 
Aug 10 21:19:57 <gnutoo> I mean you are making an android device
Aug 10 21:19:59 <PaulFertser> gnutoo: if their intentions were good, it would be a huge benefit to the people...
Aug 10 21:20:06 <gnutoo> then it would be easier to port it to android
Aug 10 21:20:12 <fpu> it's /sys/class/leds
Aug 10 21:20:13 <gnutoo> indeed
Aug 10 21:20:31 <gnutoo> note that I was involved and am still but less, involved in replicant
Aug 10 21:20:32 <fpu> I think it's kernel option
Aug 10 21:20:36 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 10 21:20:53 <gnutoo> fpu: then check the right option and repcompile
Aug 10 21:21:13 <PaulFertser> gnutoo: i know but i do not know how to comment on that... It's a nice thing that google is fighting back the assholes though.
Aug 10 21:21:31 <gnutoo> hmmm
Aug 10 21:21:42 <gnutoo> I think it's rather the countrary
Aug 10 21:21:47 <PaulFertser> How's so?
Aug 10 21:21:50 <fpu> yes there is option "standard backlight api"
Aug 10 21:21:57 <fpu> just checked it, let's recompile :-)
Aug 10 21:22:00 <gnutoo> it's the "assholes" that push for more standardness
Aug 10 21:22:13 <fpu> btw if we're at kernel menuconfig
Aug 10 21:22:18 <fpu> there are options with keypad
Aug 10 21:22:23 <PaulFertser> gnutoo: by the assholes i mean apple+microsoft trying to sue android-using vendors.
Aug 10 21:22:24 <gnutoo> it's the "assholes" like qualcomm(beark) that try to push their stuff mainline
Aug 10 21:22:24 <fpu> HTCLEO Keymapping
Aug 10 21:22:31 <gnutoo> ah ok
Aug 10 21:22:37 <gnutoo> I tought you mean the vendors
Aug 10 21:22:40 <fpu> I can choose "Keymapping for Android" "and "Alternative Keymapping"
Aug 10 21:22:45 <gnutoo> like qualcomm,samsung etc...
Aug 10 21:23:05 <fpu> I'm not sure what it will change
Aug 10 21:23:19 <gnutoo> android may be good but it's not good enough....
Aug 10 21:23:23 <gnutoo> could do better
Aug 10 21:23:54 <fpu> ble it would turn it into 4 direction keys and enter
Aug 10 21:23:59 <fpu> no way I'm getting that
Aug 10 21:24:21 <gnutoo> basically it's like an equasion with google,the vendors,the carriers, and maybe somet other elements
Aug 10 21:24:32 <gnutoo> I wonder what google did exactly
Aug 10 21:24:40 <gnutoo> but they didn't seem to push for standardness
Aug 10 21:24:43 <gnutoo> the vendors did
Aug 10 21:25:27 <gnutoo> note that I don't like qualcomm because of the privacy in their SOC:
Aug 10 21:25:37 <gnutoo> the modem is part of the SOC
Aug 10 21:25:41 <gnutoo> and has access to the audio
Aug 10 21:25:47 <gnutoo> to the GPS
Aug 10 21:25:51 <gnutoo> and to the main CPU memory
Aug 10 21:25:58 <gnutoo> s/memory/ram chips
Aug 10 21:26:08 <gnutoo> so that's bad for freedom
Aug 10 21:27:01 <PaulFertser> Also there was a fascinating article about exploiting bugs in the handling of the GSM protocols to obtain full control over the device by using a malicious BS.
Aug 10 21:27:21 <gnutoo> wow
Aug 10 21:27:22 <gnutoo> ouch
Aug 10 21:27:28 <gnutoo> where's that article?
Aug 10 21:27:57 <gnutoo> note that samsung nexus S is much better than qualcomm devices:
Aug 10 21:28:10 <gnutoo> *CODEC is attached to the main CPU
Aug 10 21:28:16 <gnutoo> *modem is not part of the soc
Aug 10 21:28:38 <gnutoo> *modem uses shared memory, however it's dedicated memory on the SOC,separate from the ram(64k)
Aug 10 21:29:35 <gnutoo> *gps is attached to a serial port of the main CPU
Aug 10 21:30:33 <gnutoo> *modem has no access to the NAND and you must send his firmware trough a serial port
Aug 10 21:30:37 <gnutoo> however,
Aug 10 21:30:44 <gnutoo> *wifi chip is bcm4329
Aug 10 21:31:02 <gnutoo> *GPS protocol is unknown
Aug 10 21:31:07 <PaulFertser> gnutoo: https://cryptolux.org/media/deepsec-aybbabtu.pdf
Aug 10 21:31:59 <gnutoo> *GSM protocol is not completely known(a lib exist)
Aug 10 21:38:46 <angelox|laptop> gnutoo: there's no frameworkd package,but libfsoframework here,and it doesn't provides ousaged
Aug 10 21:39:06 <fpu> angelox|laptop: what you're running?
Aug 10 21:39:39 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: ousaged is provided by fsousaged
Aug 10 21:40:09 <angelox|laptop> also installed PaulFertser
Aug 10 21:40:15 <angelox|laptop> fpu: Aurora :)
Aug 10 21:40:58 <fpu> is it a distro?
Aug 10 21:41:52 <angelox|laptop> yes
Aug 10 21:42:04 <angelox|laptop> more or less..
Aug 10 21:42:31 <fpu> more or less? I think PaulFerster told that it's an application like zphone
Aug 10 21:42:34 <fpu> :p
Aug 10 21:43:21 <angelox|laptop> 17:40:35 <PaulFertser> fpu: the new effort to create a simple featurephone-like app based on vala+qml
Aug 10 21:43:45 <fpu> is it usable? it sounds like exactly what I need
Aug 10 21:43:55 <angelox|laptop> which device?
Aug 10 21:44:09 <fpu> hmm does it matter? isn't it just fso client?
Aug 10 21:44:12 <fpu> it's HD2
Aug 10 21:44:27 <angelox|laptop> it started about 7 months ago,so it only can make calls into palm pre
Aug 10 21:44:56 <fpu> aha ok
Aug 10 21:44:58 <angelox|laptop> it's needed a compilation of that image to your device..
Aug 10 21:45:14 <fpu> I thought it's just an app I can compile
Aug 10 21:45:32 <angelox|laptop> if you really want to try it(it's beautful :) ),i can compile a image  for your device :)
Aug 10 21:45:48 <angelox|laptop> beautiful*
Aug 10 21:46:13 <fpu> I don't want image, just an app
Aug 10 21:46:23 <fpu> I'd love to try it, where are sources? :-)
Aug 10 21:46:33 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: also if i try fsousaged i get "'Can't claim busname org.freesmartphone.ousaged'"
Aug 10 21:46:37 <angelox|laptop> fpu: one sec please
Aug 10 21:46:51 <angelox|laptop> fpu: git://git.freesmartphone.org/aurora.git
Aug 10 21:48:07 <fpu> ok, let's try :-)
Aug 10 21:48:17 <fpu> just again to be 100% sure
Aug 10 21:48:26 <fpu> it will run on x server
Aug 10 21:48:29 <fpu> and talk to fso
Aug 10 21:48:30 <fpu> right?
Aug 10 21:48:41 <angelox|laptop> no
Aug 10 21:48:49 <angelox|laptop> it runs directly into the framebuffer
Aug 10 21:48:55 <fpu> oops
Aug 10 21:48:56 <angelox|laptop> oops.
Aug 10 21:49:10 <angelox|laptop> you can configure it to run about the x server :) (i forgot)
Aug 10 21:49:25 <angelox|laptop> and yes,it talk to fso
Aug 10 21:49:28 <fpu> uff
Aug 10 21:49:34 <fpu> I was shattered because I thought it uses qt
Aug 10 21:49:58 <angelox|laptop> but it uses..
Aug 10 21:50:02 <fpu> yeah
Aug 10 21:50:09 <fpu> but no x and qt sound weird together :p
Aug 10 21:50:09 <gnutoo> bye
Aug 10 21:50:47 <angelox|laptop> yep
Aug 10 21:51:42 <fpu> can you guide me how to compile it to run with x? manu directories here, I'm confused
Aug 10 21:52:14 <angelox|laptop> it's easy,atm,there's no order to compile
Aug 10 21:52:26 <angelox|laptop> let me help you
Aug 10 21:52:50 <angelox|laptop> first: aurora-daemon
Aug 10 21:54:34 <angelox|laptop> configure it using yours options,like toolchain options..
Aug 10 21:55:55 <angelox|laptop> the best order to compile: aurora-daemon,aurora-systemmanager,aurora-theme,aurora-components and then aurora-applications
Aug 10 21:57:44 <fpu> ok
Aug 10 21:57:56 <angelox|laptop> anything,just tell me :-)
Aug 10 21:58:38 <fpu> do I need to do anything particular, to get it running on Xorg?
Aug 10 21:59:40 <angelox|laptop> it should work out-of-the-box
Aug 10 22:00:28 <fpu> ok
Aug 10 22:00:29 <fpu> :-)
Aug 10 22:00:42 <fpu> so far only calls, no sms?
Aug 10 22:01:14 <angelox|laptop> yes
Aug 10 22:01:21 <angelox|laptop> no sms,no ring-tone...
Aug 10 22:01:41 <angelox|laptop> i'm not sure if calls will work for you,it doesn't for me :)
Aug 10 22:02:01 <angelox|laptop> ah
Aug 10 22:02:12 <angelox|laptop> and you maybe will need change your resolution
Aug 10 22:02:39 <fpu> 800x480 no good/
Aug 10 22:02:43 <fpu> ?
Aug 10 22:03:07 <angelox|laptop> i mean,it comes default with 320x480
Aug 10 22:03:42 <angelox|laptop> i change it to 800x480 to fit n900's screen,but i don't know HD2 one
Aug 10 22:04:10 <fpu> HD2 is 800x480
Aug 10 22:04:15 <fpu> like N900
Aug 10 22:04:21 <fpu> you had to make any changes?
Aug 10 22:04:27 <angelox|laptop> yes
Aug 10 22:04:32 <angelox|laptop> one sec please
Aug 10 22:04:54 <angelox|laptop> Line 138 of file /usr/bin/aurora
Aug 10 22:05:10 <angelox|laptop> changed from "width, height = 320, 480" to "width, height = 800, 480"
Aug 10 22:07:07 <fpu> after compilation?
Aug 10 22:07:14 <angelox|laptop> yes
Aug 10 22:07:22 <angelox|laptop> after compilation/installation
Aug 10 22:07:27 <fpu> ok :-) so no problem
Aug 10 22:09:07 <angelox|laptop> :-)
Aug 10 22:26:53 <angelox|laptop> dbus bus name org.freesmartphone.frameworkd already claimed. Exiting
Aug 10 22:27:39 <fpu> is another frameworkd running maybe?
Aug 10 22:27:54 <angelox|laptop> not sure..
Aug 10 22:27:58 <angelox|laptop> i did reboot
Aug 10 22:28:24 <dos1|N900> angelox|laptop: ps aux | grep frameworkd
Aug 10 22:28:56 <angelox|laptop> there was nothing..
Aug 10 22:29:06 <angelox|laptop> maybe something did lock
Aug 10 22:35:05 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: Watching logs:  "2011-08-10T21:32:37.429046Z [ERROR] UsageController <5 R>: Resource GSM can't be enabled: Timeout was reached. Trying to disable instead"
Aug 10 22:35:40 <angelox|laptop> that the same time as i'm getting "FSO_GSM_MODEM_STATUS_CLOSED" when try to insert pin
Aug 10 22:39:28 <fpu> fsogsmd is only thing I can think of
Aug 10 22:39:36 <fpu> dos1|N900: cheers from poland :-)
Aug 10 22:39:55 <fpu> still black screen on shr apps, eh
Aug 10 22:40:44 <dos1|N900> fpu: #openmoko.pl :)
Aug 10 22:41:04 <dos1|N900> fpu: you can idle there with rest of polish community :D
Aug 10 22:41:35 <fpu> hehe
Aug 10 22:45:12 <fpu> no luck with shr, no luck with zhone
Aug 10 22:45:29 <fpu> I have problem with aurora and even then it won't have any sms
Aug 10 22:45:32 <fpu> what else is there?
Aug 10 22:45:43 <dos1|N900> whats the problem with shr?
Aug 10 22:46:13 <angelox|laptop> what's the problem with aurora?
Aug 10 22:46:25 <fpu> it doesn't want to detect my python
Aug 10 22:46:35 <fpu> It could be solved I guess but too much hassle
Aug 10 22:46:48 <fpu> with shr problem is that when I load apps, there's black screen
Aug 10 22:46:56 <dos1|N900> hmm
Aug 10 22:47:02 <fpu> I can close them but in themself, there is nothing
Aug 10 22:47:06 <dos1|N900> maybe something with theme
Aug 10 22:47:11 <fpu> which is shame because everything else seems to work ok
Aug 10 22:47:28 <dos1|N900> can you try to start some app with ELM_THEME=default ?
Aug 10 22:47:33 <dos1|N900> for instance shr-settings
Aug 10 22:47:42 <fpu> I don't have shr-settings
Aug 10 22:47:45 <fpu> but wait
Aug 10 22:48:21 <fpu> http://pastebin.com/vjE3BxCt
Aug 10 22:48:27 <fpu> here is what I get after starting phoneuid
Aug 10 22:48:36 <fpu> window pops up, which I guess wants my PIN
Aug 10 22:48:40 <fpu> but problem is, window is black :D
Aug 10 22:49:04 <dos1|N900> then try ELM_THEME=default phoneuid ;)
Aug 10 22:49:45 <fpu> the same
Aug 10 22:49:57 <dos1|N900> strange
Aug 10 22:50:04 * angelox|laptop hangs on 'Can't claim busname org.freesmartphone.ogsmd'
Aug 10 22:50:31 <dos1|N900> angelox|laptop: are you sure you have correct config?
Aug 10 22:50:53 <dos1|N900> ogsmd busname can be claimed by both ogsmd (part of frameworkd) and fsogsmd (standalone app)
Aug 10 22:51:07 <dos1|N900> so if you have both enabled, then there will be conflict
Aug 10 22:51:08 <angelox|laptop> which config? /etc/framework.conf ?
Aug 10 22:51:28 <dos1|N900> yup, if you want to use fsogsmd you should check if you have ogsmd disabled
Aug 10 22:51:31 <pespin> hi dos1|N900  :)
Aug 10 22:51:46 <pespin> fpu, you have shr without shr-settings? afaik it was in the default shr-lite image :O
Aug 10 22:52:16 <angelox|laptop> [ogsmd] disabled: 1
Aug 10 22:52:18 <fpu> I have debian with some shr packages
Aug 10 22:52:34 <fpu> phoneui-apps and it's dependencies
Aug 10 22:52:53 <fpu> I had to tweak one or two package because they were broken
Aug 10 22:54:48 <pespin> fpu, which apps are not working? EFL based ones? or all of them?
Aug 10 22:54:58 <fpu> are there non-EFL based ones?
Aug 10 22:55:08 <pespin> try vala-terminal ie
Aug 10 22:55:11 <pespin> some gtk app
Aug 10 22:55:38 <fpu> I have e17 running
Aug 10 22:55:45 <fpu> gtk apps work fine
Aug 10 22:55:48 <pespin> ok
Aug 10 22:55:54 <pespin> then it's elm/edje problem I suppouse ;)
Aug 10 22:55:59 <pespin> try elementary_test
Aug 10 22:56:02 <fpu> ok
Aug 10 22:56:41 <fpu> hmm
Aug 10 22:56:45 <fpu> don't have this binary
Aug 10 22:57:09 <pespin> fpu, is it in repos?
Aug 10 22:57:13 <dos1|N900> something is wrong with your image
Aug 10 22:57:24 <dos1|N900> maybe you are missing default theme too?
Aug 10 22:57:43 <dos1|N900> ah, debian
Aug 10 22:57:59 * angelox|laptop 's problem is: he is newbie in FSO,dbus and middleware things :\
Aug 10 22:58:15 <fpu> pespin: can't find it anywhere
Aug 10 22:58:21 <fpu> apt-file elementary_test shows nothing
Aug 10 22:58:26 <pespin> fpu, you could use SHR directly :P
Aug 10 23:00:46 <fpu> if it wasn't for packages I would
Aug 10 23:00:53 <fpu> I want full desktop functionality here ;)
Aug 10 23:01:30 <dos1|N900> well, shr packaging in debian is for sure out-of-date
Aug 10 23:01:41 <dos1|N900> you could try to setup some build env if you want it
Aug 10 23:02:13 <fpu> I'm thinking about it
Aug 10 23:02:23 <fpu> I'll have to rebuild fso-deviced anyway to support suspend
Aug 10 23:02:43 <fpu> Did anyone here create deb packages, ever?
Aug 10 23:02:47 * fpu didn't
Aug 10 23:03:28 <dos1|N900> i did
Aug 10 23:03:59 <fpu> ok, maybe you'll help me later on
Aug 10 23:04:02 <dos1|N900> quite a lot work to setup at beginning if you want to do it the correct way
Aug 10 23:04:10 <dos1|N900> but there are also some automated scripts
Aug 10 23:04:12 <fpu> hmm
Aug 10 23:04:23 <fpu> for now then let's just build it from source
Aug 10 23:04:25 <dos1|N900> which you can use if you build packages for your own use
Aug 10 23:05:01 <pespin> fpu, you have lots of packages in OE :P if you don't find some, you could write a recipe for it so everybody can use it! :)
Aug 10 23:05:49 <fpu> pespin, maybe you're right
Aug 10 23:05:56 <dos1|N900> and build env is easier to setup ;)
Aug 10 23:05:56 <fpu> maybe it's just that I'm accustomed to debian
Aug 10 23:06:13 <pespin> fpu, shr is quite similar to debian
Aug 10 23:06:21 <fpu> there's opkg yes
Aug 10 23:06:24 <dos1|N900> you can try SHR as distro
Aug 10 23:06:26 <fpu> I know it from openwrt
Aug 10 23:07:04 <dos1|N900> and then, if you like frontend apps, return to debian and build them there
Aug 10 23:07:42 <fpu> when it comes to frontend apps I think I have no choice ;) shr is only option
Aug 10 23:08:18 <fpu> 2011-08-10 23:06:00,065 DEBUG Reading authentication status
Aug 10 23:08:18 <fpu> 2011-08-10 23:06:00,079 DEBUG Telephony Ready
Aug 10 23:08:18 <fpu> 2011-08-10 23:06:00,081 DEBUG Turning on Antenna
Aug 10 23:08:18 <fpu> 2011-08-10 23:06:00,093 INFO SIM seems to be protected. Checking auth status now.
Aug 10 23:08:21 <fpu> 2011-08-10 23:06:00,094 DEBUG Reading authentication status
Aug 10 23:08:24 <fpu> those are zhone errors
Aug 10 23:08:45 <dos1|N900> and what's happening next?
Aug 10 23:08:49 <dos1|N900> black window too?
Aug 10 23:09:19 <fpu> no
Aug 10 23:09:22 <fpu> zhone displays ok
Aug 10 23:09:28 <fpu> I can even enter pin
Aug 10 23:09:40 <fpu> but after that I get these errors, looping over and over
Aug 10 23:09:51 <dos1|N900> ouch
Aug 10 23:10:06 <dos1|N900> maybe zhone isn't patched to work with fsogsmd
Aug 10 23:10:33 <dos1|N900> there were small changes in api
Aug 10 23:10:46 <fpu> so screw zphone
Aug 10 23:10:58 <fpu> I think I'll need help though with compiling fso from scratch
Aug 10 23:11:00 <fpu> and shr apps
Aug 10 23:11:15 <fpu> http://git.freesmartphone.org/
Aug 10 23:11:19 <dos1|N900> fso should be quite easy
Aug 10 23:11:29 <fpu> is there any documentation on how to compile?
Aug 10 23:11:32 <pespin> OE does it all for you :P
Aug 10 23:11:41 <dos1|N900> it's python and vala with not too much dependences
Aug 10 23:11:49 <dos1|N900> you just need to do it in correct order
Aug 10 23:12:01 <dos1|N900> some TODO should be in cornucopia.git repo IIRC
Aug 10 23:12:11 <fpu> pespin: hehe
Aug 10 23:12:12 <dos1|N900> s/TODO/how to/
Aug 10 23:12:12 <apt> dos1|N900 meant: some how to should be in cornucopia.git repo IIRC
Aug 10 23:12:14 <pespin> yep, the problem are dependencies inside FSO itself
Aug 10 23:13:03 <dos1|N900> though there can be problem with SHR apps
Aug 10 23:13:22 <dos1|N900> i don't know current state of enlightenment libs in debian
Aug 10 23:13:52 <fpu> I had to manually edit libelementary package
Aug 10 23:14:02 <fpu> and it's dependencies
Aug 10 23:14:09 <fpu> also add some symbolic links
Aug 10 23:15:00 <fpu> there is build order in cornucopia, yes :-)
Aug 10 23:15:58 <fpu> hmm
Aug 10 23:16:10 <fpu> do you think it will be easier to do with apt-src
Aug 10 23:16:18 <fpu> and then update code inside src ?
Aug 10 23:16:35 <dos1|N900> you can try
Aug 10 23:16:44 <dos1|N900> but i don't know how old those packages are
Aug 10 23:17:07 <dos1|N900> there were few splits of libraries
Aug 10 23:18:23 <fpu> I think it can be issue with elementary lib then
Aug 10 23:18:44 <fpu> It's older than rest
Aug 10 23:19:55 <dos1|N900> well, you'll probably have another dependency chain with elementary
Aug 10 23:20:10 <dos1|N900> edje, evas, enja, ecore etc.
Aug 10 23:20:40 <fpu> original libelementary package depended on libecore-svn-06, libevas-svn-06...etc.
Aug 10 23:20:54 <fpu> these packages no longer exist, instead there are libecore1, libevas1, etc
Aug 10 23:21:03 <fpu> so I had to change these dependencies manually
Aug 10 23:21:17 <dos1|N900> yep, but those libs were under heavy development
Aug 10 23:21:21 <fpu> and symlink /usr/lib/libecore-svn-06 (example) to /usr/lib/libecore1
Aug 10 23:21:26 <dos1|N900> versions can be incompatible
Aug 10 23:21:29 <fpu> that just may be the problem
Aug 10 23:22:09 <fpu> I just wish I could get these old libecore-svn-06 etc. packages from somewhere
Aug 10 23:25:28 <fpu> and I found it :-) :-) :-)
Aug 10 23:54:19 <fpu> hello PaulFertser
Aug 11 00:01:23 <angelox|laptop> hi PaulFertser
Aug 11 00:03:20 <angelox|laptop> i think i understood how should i do the thing
Aug 11 00:03:24 <angelox|laptop> but i get now; http://pastebin.com/uykY6aca
Aug 11 00:20:59 <fpu> haha
Aug 11 00:21:01 <fpu> now
Aug 11 00:21:02 <fpu> (process:6132): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: Initializing window with title: Idle_Screen
Aug 11 00:21:05 <fpu> ERR:elementary elm_win.c:541 elm_win_add() Cannot create window.
Aug 11 00:21:05 <fpu> :-(
Aug 11 00:21:08 <fpu> (process:6132): libphone-ui-shr-CRITICAL **: Wasn't able to create a window (ui_utils_view_init:52)
Aug 11 00:56:29 <fpu> where can I find full list of packages available for shr?
Aug 11 00:59:42 <angelox|n900> there's the packages.gz
Aug 11 01:00:27 <angelox|n900> it is in build.shr-project.org/ipk/ iirc
Aug 11 01:03:29 <fpu> more or less yes
Aug 11 01:03:30 <fpu> thanks :-)
Aug 11 01:16:54 <angelox|n900> np :)
Aug 11 01:37:51 <fpu> oops houston
Aug 11 01:38:03 <fpu> cornucopia doc says to install libfsobasics first
Aug 11 01:38:12 <fpu> but there is no libfsobasics in git
Aug 11 02:05:22 <fpu> aw screw it
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