**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 20 02:59:56 2011 Aug 20 07:21:11 BREAKING NEWS: chandra fixed \o/ Aug 20 07:21:21 FINALLY Aug 20 10:51:54 chandra (= ML + people.om.org + $random_other_OM) online again Aug 20 11:32:30 yay Aug 20 11:32:48 DocScrutinizer: good work that man Aug 20 11:59:16 Hello Aug 20 11:59:25 hi Aug 20 11:59:57 seen JaMa Aug 20 12:00:01 ~seen JaMa Aug 20 12:00:06 jama <~martin@94.230.152.246> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 21h 13m 25s ago, saying: 'GarthPS: use "git send-patch -1 hash" :)'. Aug 20 12:00:23 ~seen JaMa|Off Aug 20 12:00:24 jama|off <~martin@94.230.152.246> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 13h 43m 53s ago, saying: 'gnight'. Aug 20 12:28:53 DocScrutinizer: ping Aug 20 12:29:05 onen|openBmap: pong Aug 20 12:29:09 hallo Aug 20 12:29:12 hi Aug 20 12:31:21 DocScrutinizer: I was not sure yesterday, was your comment " it's dirt simple: short D+ with D-", about my issue with my "non charging" car adapter for the n900? Aug 20 12:32:00 yes Aug 20 12:32:17 ok, so you lost me :-) Aug 20 12:32:27 what is it exactly? Aug 20 12:33:10 you need to short the D+ to the D- contact on the (micro)USB-plug so N900 will detect the charger Aug 20 12:33:23 none of the car chargers do that, usually Aug 20 12:34:27 ok. I am looking at wikipedia's page, so I now see the D+ and - pins Aug 20 12:35:02 so basically I have to connect those two on the plug that fits into my n900 and "voila", it will detect the car charger. correct? Aug 20 12:35:25 I meant: Aug 20 12:35:52 I connect the two pins togeter. and then I plug this modified usb cable plug into my n900? Aug 20 12:36:23 yes Aug 20 12:36:51 must it be done on the micro usb side, or is it possible on the other side of the cable, or directly in the car adapter usb plug? Aug 20 12:37:21 I got a wallwart charger with a USB-A-F receptacle - I opened it and soldered the short directly to the receptacle's pins Aug 20 12:37:38 exactly what I had in mind... Aug 20 12:38:09 this will let the charger work with other phones too? those which don't need extra power like the n900? Aug 20 12:39:08 yes Aug 20 12:40:00 at least shorting D+- isn't supposed to break anything for charger's compatibility to other USB devices Aug 20 12:40:05 I have been told that "intelligent" charger such as those delivered with the n900 have some kind of resistance which is necessary for the n900 to detect the charger. Aug 20 12:40:21 is it related? Aug 20 12:40:44 nope, that's a reference to ID pin to GND signalling resistor, as used with Neo Aug 20 12:41:13 Neo? Aug 20 12:41:28 an alternative unrelated signalling scheme to indicate "I'm a charger" Aug 20 12:41:37 ah ok Aug 20 12:42:18 so basically, the official n900 wall charger, either has D+ and - connected, or this alternative signalling based on the resistance? Aug 20 12:42:33 there's a third scheme invented by apple that consists of applying certain voltages to D+ and D-, derived from VBUS +5V via resistro deviders. This obviously isn't compatible to D+- short Aug 20 12:42:56 no, Nokia uses D+- short exclusively Aug 20 12:43:07 I see Aug 20 12:43:08 OM uses ID-pin resistor method Aug 20 12:43:26 and HTC? Aug 20 12:43:27 apple uses that weird 3rd method Aug 20 12:43:33 dunno about HTC Aug 20 12:44:28 notably all 3 methods are specified in official USB specs battery charging amendment Aug 20 12:44:37 well my HTC magic worked without D short, but it used mini usb plug. I will test with htc phone with micro usb Aug 20 12:45:16 thanks for the help! Aug 20 12:45:32 so D+/- short it will be Aug 20 12:45:57 * onen|openBmap looks for his soldering mask Aug 20 12:46:32 DocScrutinizer: did you try meego on the n900? any thoughts? Aug 20 12:47:12 DocScrutinizer: is the momentum, the community behind maemo (SSU for example) of meego? Aug 20 12:47:30 s/of/or Aug 20 13:01:37 no, not really tested meegoCE, and this post has all I'd like to comment on it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1028628#post1028628 Aug 20 13:04:15 tbh I'd rather use even ubuntu on my N900 than meegoCE, according to my current mood and notion about all that mess around who's supporting and abandoning what and why (not (anymore)) Aug 20 13:54:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1040369#post1040369 Aug 20 15:06:00 bbl Aug 20 18:14:28 hi :) Aug 20 20:29:39 Where FSOSHRCON will be this year? Aug 20 20:30:40 vquery roh Aug 20 20:30:43 err Aug 20 20:33:50 I'd like to know if the where that it will be the people speak English or French :-) Aug 20 20:34:58 angelox|laptop: more likely it'll be Germany. Aug 20 20:35:08 :( Aug 20 20:35:17 Many people do speak English there though. Aug 20 20:37:06 oh,less harm! Aug 20 20:55:13 chandra down *AGAIN* >:-( Aug 20 20:55:50 DocScrutinizer51: damn, what can be so faulty in that HW? Aug 20 20:56:01 NFC Aug 20 20:56:16 hi, still no morphis..... Aug 20 20:56:16 Damn Aug 20 21:28:43 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rbb92fd9680f5 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/ (channel.vala unsolicited.vala): Aug 20 21:28:43 freesmartphone.org: Revert "fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: when channel or msmcomm daemon are not ready do nothing" Aug 20 21:28:43 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit c85e57dba304aea110a19b9e0ff72fa97056cc10. Aug 20 21:34:10 angelox|laptop: hello :-) Aug 20 21:44:59 Hey nschle85! :) Aug 20 21:46:08 hello, now I am home and can try my N900 :-) Aug 20 21:46:29 very good! i can't use my N900 no more :( Aug 20 21:46:45 well,i can use,but the battery doesn't work finely Aug 20 21:46:49 angelox|laptop: why ? USb Port problem ? Aug 20 21:47:20 angelox|laptop: battery isnt so expensive Aug 20 21:47:40 haha,ask DocScrutinizer,here in Brazil it is verryyy expensive Aug 20 21:48:01 angelox|laptop: you are from brazil ? Aug 20 21:48:17 yes.. Aug 20 21:48:38 USD 120 A Original one Aug 20 21:49:11 here its 30-40 euro Aug 20 21:49:31 where are you from? Aug 20 21:49:40 angelox|laptop: germany Aug 20 21:49:55 hmm,i see,a lot of people from germany here ;-) Aug 20 21:50:11 hmm, dont know Aug 20 21:50:34 my main problem is,using wall charger/any charger/,the battery discharges instead charge Aug 20 21:51:22 i can charge it with a wall 'bateries' charger,but it takes 8hrs to charge Aug 20 21:51:37 so you should buy a new one, I would send you a new one but the shipping costs to brazil are expensive too Aug 20 21:52:27 yes :( Aug 20 21:53:48 angelox|laptop: you should fine some other people in brazil who need a new battery Aug 20 21:54:02 that's a problem Aug 20 21:54:14 i know only one people that has a N900 Aug 20 21:54:33 s/know/know by chat/ only/just/ Aug 20 21:55:41 angelox|laptop: in real life i do not know met anybody with N900 :-) Aug 20 21:56:06 :) Aug 20 21:56:20 angelox|laptop: if using the wall charger with n900 it discharges, it suggests a software problem. Aug 20 21:57:15 PaulFertser: Nope,recently flashed combined+emmc (two days ago) Aug 20 21:57:18 angelox|laptop: i'm going to sleep now, but we can try to discuss it later, and you can also ask DocScrutinizer about it. You can't have killed battery using it only for several months without doing anything really special. Aug 20 21:57:51 i had a biig conversation with DocScrutinizer some days ago Aug 20 21:58:36 PaulFertser: btw,Good Night! ;-) Aug 20 21:59:31 PaulFertser: hidden defective cell Aug 20 21:59:32 PaulFertser: spakoina notche Aug 20 21:59:47 PaulFertser: hope you understand :-) Aug 20 21:59:56 plus deep discharge Aug 20 22:00:27 it still working charging with the table charger,but no more with the nokia charger Aug 20 22:00:49 and the green light doesn't help also Aug 20 22:01:09 do you remember DocScrutinizer? It wasn't water,it was...i don't know :) Aug 20 22:02:08 angelox|laptop: sorry? Aug 20 22:02:43 DocScrutinizer: Green light when i put the USB cable at the phone Aug 20 22:02:55 so what? Aug 20 22:03:05 that continues Aug 20 22:03:11 i don't know if i should send to warranty Aug 20 22:03:15 i don't think so Aug 20 22:03:49 otoh,i'd fix all the problems i have Aug 20 22:03:49 I sugested you use my err shadowjk's bq27200.sh script to get some decent numbers about what'S going on with battery Aug 20 22:04:50 and I told you there shouldn't be any issue with the device, as it is rather obvious the cell is damaged Aug 20 22:05:24 so why it works with a table charger? my device stills on by one day Aug 20 22:07:47 there might be contact issues with the BSI contact. Or cell impedance is too high causing premature end of charging on N900 Aug 20 22:09:10 but actually the problem been cell doesn't buffer enough energy to skip the chaging gap between end of hw-controlled emergency recovery charging and the moment when bme kicks in on normal linux/maemo bootup Aug 20 22:09:48 or again BSI contact problems that make bme immediately tear down the system as soon as it gets started Aug 20 22:10:01 but my device starts Aug 20 22:10:05 normally Aug 20 22:10:11 it didn't though Aug 20 22:11:39 but yeah, whe it starts after charging battery on external charger, this indicates BSI contact isn't the problem, and battery actually doesn'T have enough capacity or too high impedance to skip the charging gap when completely flat Aug 20 22:12:31 but honestly why are we discussing this in #openmoko-cdevel? Aug 20 22:12:57 sorry Aug 20 22:14:16 DocScrutinizer51: angelox|laptop: PaulFertser said it may be a software problem, so its discussed here Aug 20 22:15:04 nschle85: DocScrutinizer said that this should be discussed at #maemo Aug 20 22:15:29 anyway,i'll bbl Aug 20 22:34:25 particularly when it were a sw-problem, that sw was maemo, no? Aug 20 22:35:10 as it's a hw-problem in my book, I'm not really concerned about the channel it's discussed in Aug 20 23:14:19 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-makefile * rbb2c9708859a 10/Makefile: Makefile: remove shr-stable completely, we can revert that later after release Aug 21 00:43:16 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rb42a52ce95a1 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/shr/shr-wizard_git.bb: shr-wizard: fix volatiles config file name **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 02:59:57 2011