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Aug 21 08:00:37 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r13fde1040f73 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): libmsmcomm: add one more call susp command action
Aug 21 08:03:25 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r7701d31757c1 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/callhandler.vala: fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: a call needs to be ended in different ways depending on it's state
Aug 21 08:04:47 <morphis> heyho
Aug 21 10:09:26 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rcacb821d04db 10/fsotdld/src/plugins/alarm/plugin.vala: fsotdld: alarm: do not automatically start the device daemon
Aug 21 15:18:19 <nschle85> JaMa: hello, shared-mime-info-native does not compile: ./freedesktop.org.xml:648: parser error : Specification mandate value for attribute typ
Aug 21 15:18:20 <nschle85> |   <mime-type typ   <comment xml:lang="bg">Неизвестен тип</comment>
Aug 21 15:19:09 <nschle85> JaMa: (shr-core/n900)
Aug 21 15:38:11 <PaulFertser> nschle85: bg is not russian but the translation looks like it :)
Aug 21 15:39:20 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: Privet! Kak dela? 
Aug 21 15:39:26 * angelox|laptop is learning russian ;-)
Aug 21 15:39:31 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: otlichno :)
Aug 21 15:39:43 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: and how are you?
Aug 21 15:40:01 <nschle85> PaulFertser: it may be bulgarian, the russian translation is : неизвестно
Aug 21 15:40:49 <PaulFertser> nschle85: the line you cited translates exactly as "the type is unknown", the last line is "it's unknown"
Aug 21 15:41:16 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: Horosho,Spasibo!
Aug 21 15:41:28 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: nice skills ;)
Aug 21 15:41:31 <angelox|laptop> that's all i've learned :-)
Aug 21 15:42:36 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: Thanks! ;)
Aug 21 15:42:46 <nschle85> PaulFertser: ok i see, then the xml file misses a lot of translations, is corrupt
Aug 21 17:32:33 * angelox|laptop is thinking in install fortune with jokes ;-)
Aug 21 18:38:42 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: Sorry,i was away when you had answer my question!
Aug 21 18:38:59 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: So,did you like SHR ?
Aug 21 18:39:38 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: hi
Aug 21 18:40:11 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: it was good, but needs to be developed, i think it'll be a great mobile os
Aug 21 18:40:47 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: also it has some anoying bugs.
Aug 21 18:41:00 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: i like to help to develop it
Aug 21 18:41:05 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: but dunno how
Aug 21 18:41:55 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: Well,if you really want to help,you need to tell your knowledge in programming/linux
Aug 21 18:42:18 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: this is why i said dunno how :D
Aug 21 18:42:28 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: i not a programmer 
Aug 21 18:42:46 <TimmyT> but im woriking on learning C
Aug 21 18:43:31 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: I see.. Do you have knowledge about HIG ?
Aug 21 18:43:40 <angelox|laptop> (Human Interface Guidelines)
Aug 21 18:43:53 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: no :-p
Aug 21 18:44:01 <angelox|laptop> i mean,do you have ideas about how to turn a software,a beautiful thing? :)
Aug 21 18:44:20 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: yeah, of course, im full of ideas
Aug 21 18:44:50 <angelox|laptop> because 90% of people here are great-fantastic developers,and no one(almost) has ideas about creating a cool gui
Aug 21 18:45:06 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: So that is a great way to help
Aug 21 18:45:14 <TimmyT> cool
Aug 21 18:45:53 <TimmyT> so tell me how i can talk about my ideas
Aug 21 18:48:01 <angelox|laptop> hmm
Aug 21 18:48:10 <angelox|laptop> i don't know where should you send your ideas
Aug 21 18:48:12 <angelox|laptop> let me think
Aug 21 18:48:41 <TimmyT> you mean you don't have such a place like this?
Aug 21 18:48:49 <TimmyT> if so make one
Aug 21 18:49:09 <TimmyT> it'll be good, so ppl can come and talk about their ideas
Aug 21 18:49:54 <angelox|laptop> i think #openmoko is a good channel to talk about it,but i'm not sure
Aug 21 18:50:27 <TimmyT> i don't think so
Aug 21 18:50:58 <TimmyT> it needs a forum like place
Aug 21 18:51:32 <TimmyT> i can make one and manage that
Aug 21 18:52:12 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: shr-devel seems like the best place to send suggestions
Aug 21 18:52:28 <angelox|laptop> s/shr-devel/shr-user/
Aug 21 18:52:28 <apt> angelox|laptop meant: TimmyT: shr-user seems like the best place to send suggestions
Aug 21 18:52:57 <angelox|laptop> that's a mailing list,so you should tegister at there
Aug 21 18:53:02 <angelox|laptop> register*
Aug 21 18:53:13 <angelox|laptop> but i think you already know that ;-)
Aug 21 18:53:25 <TimmyT> ahah, ok
Aug 21 18:55:02 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: I'd like to show you Aurora too,it's starting,so i think it'll be easy to make beautiful for final users
Aug 21 18:55:17 <TimmyT> mailing lists are good, but i think they are a little bit not suitable for this issue, of course it's just my idea about it.
Aug 21 18:55:40 <TimmyT> for example mailing lists are a little bit anoying for end users
Aug 21 18:56:01 <angelox|laptop> yes,but it's the only way we have to talk about these things
Aug 21 18:56:15 <angelox|laptop> i don't know if trac is good for that thing
Aug 21 18:56:33 <angelox|laptop> we should ask mickeyl or someone else for that
Aug 21 18:57:11 <TimmyT> so wat about making a new place for this kind of issues
Aug 21 18:57:59 <angelox|laptop> i don't know
Aug 21 18:59:12 <nschle85> TimmyT: angelox|laptop: the shr wiki is a good place, if you want to design a shr gui
Aug 21 19:00:23 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: I'm not sure,wiki is a hard place where developers go to check messages from users
Aug 21 19:00:23 <TimmyT> not really for designing, we are talking about a place for talking about new ideas nschle85
Aug 21 19:01:21 <nschle85> TimmyT: angelox|laptop: then here you can talk, or use the developers mailing list
Aug 21 19:03:00 <angelox|laptop> ok
Aug 21 19:03:15 <TimmyT> i like to check facebook to read new funny jokes everyday, but i don't have enough time to check that, so i use RSS to get the latest updates, i think we can have a place for that and developers can get new updates through RSS
Aug 21 19:04:02 <PaulFertser> New funny jokes everyday? That facebook must be a marvelous place ;)
Aug 21 19:05:21 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/phoneui
Aug 21 19:05:28 <TimmyT> yeah, one of my friends told me it's nice, but the way i don't have a real profile there because of security reasons as RMS said
Aug 21 19:06:33 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: As you have good ideas,you could help me to develop aurora also ;-)
Aug 21 19:07:37 <angelox|laptop> but let we focus in SHR
Aug 21 19:08:48 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: Who owns shr-project.org? Do you know?
Aug 21 19:09:07 <angelox|laptop> i did like TimmyT's forum idea,i used one to my project ;)
Aug 21 19:09:34 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: "web forums" suck by the very definition, imho.
Aug 21 19:09:35 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: how do i set the nickname on n900 xchat ?
Aug 21 19:10:01 <PaulFertser> angelox|laptop: shr-project is registered by mrmoku 
Aug 21 19:10:34 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: Disabling 'Use global informations' at server options IIRC
Aug 21 19:11:26 <PaulFertser> TimmyT: mailing lists are better than "web-forums" in every possible aspect.
Aug 21 19:12:10 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: So,before asking mrmoku,since TimmyT doesn't like the mailing list idea,we should think another way
Aug 21 19:12:17 <Alex[sp3dev]> gnutoo: hi
Aug 21 19:12:53 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: in xchat ? or n900 setup
Aug 21 19:12:55 <nschle85> ?
Aug 21 19:12:58 <TimmyT> PaulFertser: like what?
Aug 21 19:13:27 <PaulFertser> TimmyT: what what? ;)
Aug 21 19:13:43 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: xchat
Aug 21 19:14:00 <TimmyT> PaulFertser: the reasons why mailing list are better than forums
Aug 21 19:14:25 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: ok found it
Aug 21 19:15:05 <PaulFertser> TimmyT: webforums do not make sense as they're almost impossible to use, the UI is as awful as it can get. Especially comparing to the mailing lists.
Aug 21 19:17:39 <angelox|laptop> nschle85-n900: congrats :-)
Aug 21 19:18:01 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: i reccomend you set a tab channel switcher
Aug 21 19:18:13 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: i see
Aug 21 19:19:45 <nschle85-n900> which font do you use ?
Aug 21 19:20:26 <angelox|laptop> default,i only change the background color to a better looking 
Aug 21 19:21:32 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: what do you use ?
Aug 21 19:22:18 <angelox|laptop> grey but a bit darker
Aug 21 19:22:33 <angelox|laptop> i'm without my phone now,so i can't show you the HEX code,sorry
Aug 21 19:23:20 <nschle85-n900> thank you for the tip
Aug 21 19:24:09 <Alex[sp3dev]> anyone using shr on dream here?
Aug 21 19:24:36 <TimmyT> most of ppl when go to a store to buy something, they buy things with more beautiful packing, kuz they think its better, they don't read about it's contents. they choose that only because that is beautiful. one of the most important things we must know is ppl want to use this OS, not only developers. so i think every aspect of this project (of course not only this project, also similar projects) must be user friendly. this is why ubuntu has lots
Aug 21 19:25:23 <TimmyT> ppl don't use their minds, they use their eyes
Aug 21 19:25:57 <TimmyT> mailing lists are not rly user friendly ;)
Aug 21 19:26:26 <Alex[sp3dev]> mailing lists are user friendly because they keep logs in one place like forever
Aug 21 19:28:07 <TimmyT> this is why im saying they are not, that logs always has ugly interface in common web browsers by default
Aug 21 19:28:30 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: Which system do you reccomend?
Aug 21 19:28:59 <misc> if no one bothered to create a new interface, I guess this may not be so important to people that complaint of it 
Aug 21 19:29:38 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: i have to think about it, 
Aug 21 19:30:44 <TimmyT> u know im not a end user, but the first time i opened website of shr, i closed its website
Aug 21 19:30:55 <TimmyT> kuz it was a little bit confusing for me
Aug 21 19:31:04 <TimmyT> it made me mixed-up
Aug 21 19:32:04 <TimmyT> and it was ugly, i know non of developers care about this issue, but it is very important for simple ppl who want to get and use this os
Aug 21 19:32:43 <angelox|laptop> [18:41] <angelox|laptop> because 90% of people here are great-fantastic developers,and no one(almost) has ideas about creating a cool gui
Aug 21 19:33:00 <angelox|laptop> in this case,a cool WEBSITE for final-users
Aug 21 19:33:14 <angelox|laptop> my website is ugly too i think
Aug 21 19:33:21 <TimmyT> lol
Aug 21 19:33:33 <TimmyT> yeah i had a ugly one before
Aug 21 19:33:41 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: check http://pynell.com/ and http://metanolinux.sf.net/
Aug 21 19:34:54 <angelox|laptop> It's a problem make things to final users after you became a devel user
Aug 21 19:35:08 <TimmyT> i know developers hate to write manuals and design a gui for their program, but its a must if we want to make a popular os like android.
Aug 21 19:35:28 <PaulFertser> TimmyT: shouldn't we have a software that works first?
Aug 21 19:35:39 <misc> that's more than hating, just that they are not qualified to do so
Aug 21 19:36:00 <angelox|laptop> i agree misc
Aug 21 19:36:03 <misc> so I guess someone who has a sens of website design could help 
Aug 21 19:36:18 <angelox|laptop> my website is beautiful?
Aug 21 19:36:45 <TimmyT> PaulFertser: idk so, we must tell ppl about it, so they will help us to design it
Aug 21 19:37:04 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: they are
Aug 21 19:37:49 <TimmyT> angelox|laptop: u designed them? i think angelox|laptop is good for designing a user friendly website
Aug 21 19:37:52 <TimmyT> :D
Aug 21 19:38:08 <PaulFertser> TimmyT: do you know about any other (not SHR) free software OS for smartphones that works in real life on several devices?
Aug 21 19:38:35 <TimmyT> like meego?
Aug 21 19:38:39 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: my one OS were for a single phone and didn't work finely ;)
Aug 21 19:38:47 <TimmyT> lol
Aug 21 19:38:59 <Alex[sp3dev]> once upon a time there was qtopia.
Aug 21 19:39:05 <PaulFertser> TimmyT: does meego work? On what device? Can you use it to actually call anybody?
Aug 21 19:39:13 <TimmyT> no
Aug 21 19:39:20 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: I know how to do a beautiful website,but i need learn HTML and CSS,which are hating to do
Aug 21 19:39:39 <TimmyT> this is because nokia has killed that project
Aug 21 19:40:32 <PaulFertser> TimmyT: so if SHR is the only project in existance, why bother with website? It's already good enough, plenty of quality info, bugtracker integrated with VCS, what else might one want?
Aug 21 19:42:15 <angelox|laptop> PaulFertser: i guess TimmyT wanna all that in a user-friendly way
Aug 21 19:42:16 <PaulFertser> Websites should be informative and easily navigateable on a wide range of different devices and browsers.
Aug 21 19:42:38 <TimmyT> there are other projects they may go to use, like maemo, android, iOS and even windows phone, we are talking about simple ppl, not ppl who dies for RMS and his opinions 
Aug 21 19:43:11 <angelox|laptop> i've never checked iOS or WP7,but android seems to be like shr's website
Aug 21 19:43:24 <PaulFertser> TimmyT: maemo doesn't work, android is not comparable (and doesn't work too). iOS and windows phone are preinstalled, one doesn't have a choice.
Aug 21 19:43:35 <TimmyT> yesterday iOS was the biggest seller, today is android, tomorow windows phone, non of ppl care about it, they just want something to use
Aug 21 19:44:06 <angelox|laptop> maemo would be a good OS if nokia hasn't killed it
Aug 21 19:44:45 <Alex[sp3dev]> TimmyT: why should actually shr care about 'simple people'? i think most 'porting' kind of projects rather need hackers and (ideally) documentation for hardware
Aug 21 19:46:30 <angelox|laptop> TimmyT: SHR isn't done for end-user,you can check that seeing the GUI for example,so,after it turns workable,owners will take care of turning website and documentations user-friendly
Aug 21 19:46:34 <TimmyT> Alex[sp3dev]: read from the first line of this conversation ;)
Aug 21 19:47:09 * TimmyT agrees with angelox|laptop
Aug 21 19:47:17 <angelox|laptop> wow,it has started 1 hour and 10 minutes ago ;-)
Aug 21 19:47:46 <TimmyT> oooo, i've to go out, im late
Aug 21 19:48:09 <TimmyT> c ya
Aug 21 19:48:26 <angelox|laptop> ok,see you soon
Aug 21 19:48:42 <angelox|laptop> i've never understood cya, i know c = see,but ya? ;-)
Aug 21 19:48:47 <PaulFertser> see you again
Aug 21 19:50:54 <PaulFertser> Or probably "ya == you"
Aug 21 19:51:38 <angelox|laptop> ah ok,thanks ;-)
Aug 21 20:06:23 <gnutoo> Alex[sp3dev]: hi
Aug 21 20:06:33 <JaMa> nschle85: sorry I haven't seen this build error yet
Aug 21 20:07:07 <nschle85> me too
Aug 21 20:07:09 <Alex[sp3dev]> gnutoo: does alsa from pixi work good?
Aug 21 20:08:13 <gnutoo> the multiplexing works fine
Aug 21 20:08:23 <gnutoo> look at my newer commits
Aug 21 20:08:26 <gnutoo> but....
Aug 21 20:08:34 <gnutoo> it can potentially crash the phone
Aug 21 20:08:34 <Alex[sp3dev]> multiplexing as in routing or buffering?
Aug 21 20:09:04 <gnutoo> as in playing with .mmap
Aug 21 20:09:10 <nschle85> JaMa: i seems to be a parallet build problem
Aug 21 20:09:37 <nschle85> disabling -j4 and PARALLEL_BB_TASKs helps
Aug 21 20:09:39 <gnutoo> Alex[sp3dev]: I've a problem with the qsd v4l camera:
Aug 21 20:09:44 <gnutoo> it compiles fine etc...
Aug 21 20:09:47 <nschle85> JaMa: i have a real 4 core cpu now
Aug 21 20:10:15 <Alex[sp3dev]> gnutoo: i have backported sdio and mmc driver from linux 3.1.0-rc2 and added the init_card hooks. now i can use quirks. with them, wl1251 works without embedded_sdio and doesn't die after ifdown/ifup. but. it gets stuck after several packets. maybe it's a supplicant issue, but it sucks
Aug 21 20:10:16 <gnutoo> but at runtime....the pdev of the sensor is initialized after the msm_v4l2 driver
Aug 21 20:10:33 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 21 20:10:56 <gnutoo> I'll try that when I'll be able to boot 35 or 37 on SHR on the drream
Aug 21 20:11:30 <gnutoo> what can I do with the sensor pdev loading after the v4l2 msm driver?
Aug 21 20:11:35 <Alex[sp3dev]> gnutoo: i am actually thinking about porting my stuff to vanilla and sending upstream. let alone qdsp and sound, but looks like integrating i2c, pm and rpc sounds doable, right?
Aug 21 20:11:38 <nschle85> JaMa: every time i build, the file is destroyed in a different way
Aug 21 20:11:54 <gnutoo> if you have the serial console, probably
Aug 21 20:12:08 <Alex[sp3dev]> doesn't the fb work?
Aug 21 20:13:00 <gnutoo> hmmm I must re-test
Aug 21 20:13:12 <gnutoo> in some conditions yes
Aug 21 20:13:17 <Alex[sp3dev]> gnutoo: as for the v4l2.. i dunno. looking at the code it seems that it still needs a userland daemon.. so i've decided to write my own v4l2 driver for qdsp5 and msm7200a
Aug 21 20:13:24 <gnutoo> however there are errors
Aug 21 20:13:36 <gnutoo> you can see them on the framebuffer console....
Aug 21 20:13:48 <gnutoo> ok
Aug 21 20:14:07 <Alex[sp3dev]> i guess i'll try shr to see if its supplicant is better than android's
Aug 21 20:18:52 <JaMa> nschle85: I have also phenom II and PARALLEL_MAKE="-j3"
Aug 21 20:18:52 <JaMa> BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "2"
Aug 21 20:18:59 <JaMa> nschle85: and still haven't seen it
Aug 21 20:27:05 <nschle85> JaMa: i have BB_NUMBER_THREADS = 4 and -j4
Aug 21 20:28:14 <nschle85> JaMa: i had it once when i build on another  computer in estonia 
Aug 21 20:33:47 <nschle85> JaMa: hmm cannot reproduce
Aug 21 20:35:00 <tmzt> PaulFertser: quite a few people with n900 or n950 using meego or at least harmatten to make calls and the rest
Aug 21 21:49:07 <gnutoo> Alex[sp3dev]: where is the code for that driver?
Aug 21 21:49:13 <gnutoo> the v4l2 driver
Aug 21 21:50:06 <Alex[sp3dev]> gnutoo: in my repository, in the 35-experimental branch. but there's no v4l yet. it is hardcoded for my camera sensor etc. it now only handles the DSP messages and i plan on adding video buffering and v4l later
Aug 21 21:50:30 <Alex[sp3dev]> okay, see you later
Aug 21 22:01:11 <gnutoo> thanks
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