**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011 Aug 25 07:20:06 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * r2975f164529a 10/ (992 files in 46 dirs): system upgrade Aug 25 07:29:32 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r14ed4fcb1761 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: use shadow as login_manager Aug 25 09:37:45 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * ra0c8a8c29dce 10/etc/ (4 files in 2 dirs): etc: sync with 64bit Aug 25 09:38:09 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * r64c99639a64e 10/ (16798 files in 1453 dirs): system upgrade Aug 25 10:01:58 morning Aug 25 11:26:42 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * r6873d7ee6d26 10/ (3036 files in 528 dirs): system rebuilt with gcc-4.6.1 Aug 25 12:00:58 freesmartphone.org: 03dos 07cornucopia * r89047039733a 10/fsodeviced/conf/nokia_n900/fsodeviced.conf: Aug 25 12:00:58 freesmartphone.org: [fsodeviced] conf: nokia_n900: update config Aug 25 12:00:58 freesmartphone.org: Added accelerometer modules and fixed kernel input and idle notifier, which was reading data from accel. Aug 25 12:06:08 yeah Aug 25 12:06:27 nothing is eating CPU uselessly in background now on n900 :) Aug 25 12:22:18 dos1: should I bump cornucopia rev now? ;) Aug 25 12:22:27 * JaMa building from scratch, so happy to bump :) Aug 25 12:22:35 JaMa: moment please Aug 25 12:22:48 JaMa: patch for recipe is also needed, sending in few seconds Aug 25 12:22:55 ok Aug 25 12:23:01 (to include accel module by default on n900) Aug 25 12:24:23 JaMa: sent Aug 25 12:24:29 thx Aug 25 12:25:49 SHR: 03dos 07meta-smartphone * rf05eded4212e 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/fsodeviced_git.bb: fsodeviced: RDEPEND on accelerometer-lis302 on Nokia N900 Aug 25 12:25:52 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r588badb76d14 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/cornucopia.inc: cornucopia: bump SRCREV Aug 25 12:27:42 hmm bitbake is too clever for me Aug 25 12:28:25 mv ~/downloads/ ~/downloads/remove; updated shr-mirrors.bbclass to take ~/downloads/remove as premirror and expecting to fill downloads dir only with stuff needed to build my shr-core images Aug 25 12:28:38 but it's clever to unpack it directly from ~/downloads/remove :) Aug 25 12:29:28 JaMa: hi. I have a question for you : how is is supposed to be build shr? for now old oe or shr-core ? I am personnally thinking that currently it halfway between both right ? Aug 25 12:30:33 all new development is in shr-core Aug 25 12:30:40 GarthPS: shr-core is still under heavy development Aug 25 12:30:42 but for end users it's better to stay with shr-u Aug 25 12:31:25 GarthPS: if you want to work on SHR, then use shr-core, as that's what we will use in future Aug 25 12:32:02 GarthPS: but if you want to use SHR, then stay with -unstable for now, as -core has lots of bugs and missing features Aug 25 12:32:08 GNUtoo|laptop: hi Aug 25 12:32:40 hi Aug 25 12:32:42 dos1: ok but corrently shr-u does not build here.(at least last days, will retry) .ok thx for info Aug 25 12:33:03 GarthPS: what's the problem? (which package is failing?) Aug 25 12:33:31 dos1: libphone-ui and msmcommd (but this one it is morphis the responsable :) ) Aug 25 12:33:52 GarthPS: libphone-ui or libphone-ui-shr? Aug 25 12:33:54 GNUtoo|laptop: i have made the msm7200a-upstream branch here https://gitorious.org/~ast/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/alex-linux-xperia .it is based on linux 3.1.0-rc2 for now, i added basic support for pre-android amss and it now boots and shows fb console on kovsky. if you have time, could you try building and running on dream? ideally i would want us to have a single tree Aug 25 12:34:04 dos1: hmm wait I will tell you Aug 25 12:34:25 ok Aug 25 12:34:28 I'll try Aug 25 12:34:37 GarthPS: latest libphone-ui-shr won't work with old EFL shr-unstable uses Aug 25 12:34:37 *I'll try to find the time Aug 25 12:35:01 GarthPS: but AFAIK in -unstable it should be pinned to last working revision Aug 25 12:35:47 GarthPS: you have to remove shr-autorev.inc from your local.conf Aug 25 12:35:49 i wonder how to go about gpio. on dream they're directly calling pcom in mmc driver and the rest which is a no-go if we don't want to duplicate code. on the other hand, gpiomux is not implemented for msm7200a. maybe i'll look to it later. now i'll be working on some other stuff. let me know if you need me for linux stuff later Aug 25 12:36:11 GarthPS: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-makefile.git;a=commit;h=dd6836e879936be479acb495531f874adc5a8c27 Aug 25 12:36:39 ach, right, autorev Aug 25 12:37:23 I'll reconnect as wifi and download that branch Aug 25 12:37:32 JaMa: dos1: yeah I was exactly thinking that . removing shr-autorev.inc Aug 25 12:38:32 clone the repository so that you can just pull later Aug 25 13:26:58 SHR: 03dos 07libphone-ui-shr * r4d5b66dbfca6 10/src/view/idle-view.c: idle-view: disable edje animation on hiding idle-screen and re-enable it when showing Aug 25 13:48:56 could someone familliar with libphone-ui-shr add "register_and_request" function for getting idlenotifier idle state? Aug 25 13:48:59 mrmoku? Aug 25 13:49:39 i tried to catch up with all this dbus registering in libphone-ui but i failed to understand it :x Aug 25 13:49:59 hmm Aug 25 13:50:11 ok, nvm Aug 25 13:50:13 :D Aug 25 13:50:29 there is already some callback handling for that in libphone-ui Aug 25 13:50:37 i guess it's what phonefsod uses Aug 25 13:52:56 yeah Aug 25 13:53:15 GarthPS, ping Aug 25 13:53:51 why it's always like that? fighting 0.5h with something, then you give up and ask for help... and then you immediately get some idea? :D Aug 25 13:54:10 lol Aug 25 13:54:43 dos1, I would say that you receive help from yourself :P Aug 25 13:54:58 possible ;) Aug 25 14:37:28 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rb21d999b890c 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/msmcomm.inc: msmcomm: bump SRCREV Aug 25 16:03:30 Hi everybody! Aug 25 17:06:34 * dos1 begins to understand libphone-ui a bit :] Aug 25 17:17:54 SHR: 03dos 07libphone-ui * r4460d28f423a 10/src/ (5 files): fix IdleNotifier dbus proxy and add posibility to add callbacks to idle state signal Aug 25 17:18:04 success :) Aug 25 17:19:16 dos1, that's what you needed to deactivate edje effects while idle? Aug 25 17:19:32 (but well, when i was finishing that i came to conslusion that i don't need idle notifier signal, but backlight power one :]) Aug 25 17:19:35 pespin_: yup Aug 25 17:20:11 anyway, at least now i know how to do that :D Aug 25 17:20:27 :) Aug 25 17:20:48 mrmoku: ping Aug 25 17:23:35 TAsn: ping Aug 25 17:23:59 Weiss: larsc hi Aug 25 17:24:19 TAsn, mrmoku: is it save to use int in callbacks to dbus signal which returns bool in C? Aug 25 17:24:26 s/C/libphone-ui/ Aug 25 17:24:26 dos1 meant: TAsn, mrmoku: is it save to use int in callbacks to dbus signal which returns bool in libphone-ui? Aug 25 17:29:40 Weiss: larsc I've removed the 0>commit() and done a graph....of when to do what Aug 25 17:29:57 s/0/-/ Aug 25 17:29:58 gnutoo meant: Weiss: larsc I've removed the ->commit() and done a graph....of when to do what Aug 25 17:30:08 for instance: Aug 25 17:31:44 [qvga]->echo vga->[white screen] Aug 25 17:31:49 or: Aug 25 17:32:13 [qvga]->xrandr 480x640->[VGA] Aug 25 17:32:33 *xrandr -s Aug 25 17:34:09 I've this graph on paper tough.... Aug 25 17:34:49 the important part is how to go from VGA to QVGA and to QVGA to VGA without passing by a whitescreen Aug 25 17:36:09 [VGA]->echo qvga->xrandr -s 240x320->[QVGA] Aug 25 17:36:28 and: Aug 25 17:37:52 [QVGA]->xrandr -s 480x640->[VGA] Aug 25 17:40:10 altough to do that maybe be sure that it is VGA at startup//// Aug 25 17:40:33 s#////#...# Aug 25 17:49:02 ping captainigloo Aug 25 17:49:16 dos1, don't remember anything, sorry. ;\ Aug 25 17:49:21 dos1, by why shouldn't it be? Aug 25 17:49:22 captainigloo: could you test the alsa driver? Aug 25 17:49:35 TAsn: dunno, i don't know anything about using dbus from C Aug 25 17:49:44 :) Aug 25 17:49:50 TAsn: anyway, it's already compiling ;) Aug 25 17:49:58 :)) Aug 25 17:50:19 * TAsn is out. pub. Aug 25 17:50:37 s/don't know anything/know nothing/ Aug 25 17:50:51 /pub/ ? Aug 25 18:01:18 dos1: pong... I would say the same TAsn already said :-P Aug 25 18:01:57 hi Aug 25 18:02:01 gnutoo: ? Aug 25 18:02:54 gnutoo: you should try enna-explorer in E svn Aug 25 18:02:56 hi Aug 25 18:02:59 in the PROTO section Aug 25 18:03:05 angelox|laptop: Aug 25 18:03:08 it's a file explorer for phones Aug 25 18:03:14 ]captainCotulla wrote the alsa driver Aug 25 18:03:15 angelox|laptop: hello :-) Aug 25 18:03:23 gnutoo: ah excellent Aug 25 18:04:00 I pushed it to the nexusone branch of linux-legiathan Aug 25 18:04:13 *leviathan Aug 25 18:05:00 gnutoo: do you have any binary packages to tried it out ? Aug 25 18:05:22 Cotulla want people to test his ddriver..... Aug 25 18:05:51 nom but I can import it in the source you use if you want Aug 25 18:06:36 hum if you could do that, i have to remove all my shr build Aug 25 18:07:00 and replace them by angstrom builds .... Aug 25 18:07:00 basically it's a kernel driver..... Aug 25 18:07:12 why? Aug 25 18:07:30 because my hdd is too small Aug 25 18:07:32 :) Aug 25 18:07:45 and i need to build angstrom images for my work Aug 25 18:08:11 mickeyl: could we push stuff without signed-off? Aug 25 18:08:34 ok, we could build image for desire....if we had configs for it Aug 25 18:08:50 but we lack that..... Aug 25 18:09:21 someone sent them but forgott signed-off and disapeared after... Aug 25 18:09:31 gnutoo: you lack the defconfig for desire ? Aug 25 18:09:34 so they were not pushed.... Aug 25 18:09:52 I lack everything.... Aug 25 18:09:58 hum yes i see Aug 25 18:09:59 gnutoo: you can use nexus images on desire.. Aug 25 18:10:04 from fso config to defconfig to xorg.conf.... Aug 25 18:10:19 gnutoo: well fso config is the htc hd2 one Aug 25 18:10:24 hi nschle85! Aug 25 18:10:34 all in git format with signed-off Aug 25 18:10:47 we have shr-core btw Aug 25 18:10:48 the xorg.conf is the same than desire and htc d2 Aug 25 18:10:56 maybe better making the changes against that.... Aug 25 18:11:01 angelox|laptop: do you have a little bit time for me ? i have some questions abou flashing n900 Aug 25 18:11:30 nschle85: Sure! Aug 25 18:11:37 and for defconfig i was using a modified version of the cyanogen kernel defconfig Aug 25 18:11:37 captainigloo, fso config is the same but must be duplicated....or simlinked at least.... Aug 25 18:12:02 gnutoo: yep it's what i was doing after building a new image based on htc leo Aug 25 18:12:16 else cat /proc/cpuinfo gives a machine name.... Aug 25 18:12:27 it's bravo the machine name Aug 25 18:12:29 and that doesn't match Aug 25 18:12:38 I've written 2 porting guides.... Aug 25 18:15:47 angelox|laptop: which firmares do you use to flash ? what is VANILLA for ? Aug 25 18:16:33 it's rather similar to a TODO list rather than a porting guide....but for fso you could add an autotools simlynk and it's done....then add oe configs and it could be built..... Aug 25 18:16:40 it's fast to do Aug 25 18:16:47 with the guide.... Aug 25 18:17:28 nschle85: VANILLA is for flashing n900's eMMC,that will remove everything you had at your n900's storage with manufactures stuff Aug 25 18:17:35 s/remove/replace/ Aug 25 18:17:35 angelox|laptop meant: nschle85: VANILLA is for flashing n900's eMMC,that will replace everything you had at your n900's storage with manufactures stuff Aug 25 18:18:17 nschle85: we do use combined+vanilla to a full reflash of n900. Aug 25 18:20:41 angelox|laptop: and what is in the combined image ? Aug 25 18:21:17 nschle85: (basically) kernel,nolo(nokia loader),xloader,2nd bootloader and rootfs Aug 25 18:22:53 angelox|laptop: i must use flasher 3.5 ok ? Aug 25 18:24:18 nschle85: You can use flasher-3.5(proprietary) or 0xFFFF(free and opensource),you choose! Aug 25 18:25:04 angelox|laptop: did you even flash everything with 0xFFFF ? does it really work ? Aug 25 18:26:10 nschle85: it doesn't work fully IIRC,so for separated things (only kernel,only rootfs e.g.) you can use 0xFFFF,but for full flash (combined+emmc) you use flasher-3.5 Aug 25 18:28:18 angelox|laptop: is there somewhere an easy step by step introduction how to flash the full phone ? and how did you reverted a faulty u-boot flash ? Aug 25 18:29:46 nschle85: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware may help you,to recover a problematic uboot flash,i do re-flash only kernel,using 0xFFFF,using the stock kernel Aug 25 18:34:07 angelox|laptop: i would use the following firmwares Aug 25 18:34:21 angelox|laptop: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Aug 25 18:34:42 angelox|laptop: RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Aug 25 18:35:16 angelox|laptop: are these the correct images ? Aug 25 18:35:30 nschle85: let me confirm Aug 25 18:35:41 angelox|laptop: wait please Aug 25 18:36:24 nschle85: yes,you should use them Aug 25 18:36:35 angelox|laptop: does VANILLA 10.2010 work with COMBINED 20.2010 ? Aug 25 18:37:55 nschle85: yes Aug 25 18:38:05 vanilla isn't updated too much Aug 25 18:38:27 angelox|laptop: ok the numbers may be out of sync Aug 25 18:38:54 nschle85: yes,i do use these ones and them work finely! Aug 25 18:39:10 angelox|laptop: i belive you Aug 25 18:39:14 gnutoo: good news btw, the linux-3.1 kernel now boots on the openmoko gta04 prototype Aug 25 18:39:15 ;-) Aug 25 18:39:40 now I only need to make codecs, graphics, usb, charger, etc.n work Aug 25 18:40:01 then we can make more of them and ship them :-D Aug 25 18:40:28 pespin: pong? I have to go off you have 2' :p Aug 25 18:41:13 ok nice.... Aug 25 18:41:35 what about wifi? ius it ar6k? Aug 25 18:42:12 angelox|laptop: last question: i have only linux 64bit , does the flasher 32 bit work ? Aug 25 18:42:26 nschle85: i guess so Aug 25 18:42:46 nschle85: 0xFFF works....but it's limited....do not flash maemo images with it Aug 25 18:43:15 angelox|laptop: did you used flasher on 64 bit linux ? Aug 25 18:43:44 nschle85: yes,but i don't remember if i did change something Aug 25 18:43:57 but 90% of chances it'll work :) Aug 25 18:44:20 angelox|laptop: it may be statically linked, if you used it, it works i think Aug 25 18:44:43 angelox|laptop: ok, really last question: Aug 25 18:46:21 angelox|laptop: i have read nolo is cabable to load accumulator, so if i press d and switch on the phone the accumulator is charged ? Aug 25 18:47:12 mrmoku, TAsn: yeah, works Aug 25 18:47:17 angelox|laptop: or what can i do if the accumulator is empty and the phone does not boot into maemo or shr ? Aug 25 18:47:26 but now i found bug in fsodeviced :D Aug 25 18:47:53 nschle85: i don't know,sorry. Ask DocScrutinizer here or on #maemo,really sorry! Aug 25 18:48:01 libphone-ui-shr->libphone-ui->fsodeviced Aug 25 18:48:26 i hope i won't end up with fixing bugs in dbus or even kernel with this chain ;D Aug 25 18:50:27 SHR: 03dos 07libphone-ui * r19154a3eebb1 10/src/ (dbus.c dbus.h phoneui-info.c phoneui-info.h): add support for GetBacklightPower method and BacklightPower signal Aug 25 18:52:10 SHR: 03dos 07libphone-ui-shr * rd1e04994f185 10/src/view/idle-view.c: idle-screen: disable edje animation when screen is blanked Aug 25 18:53:07 angelox|laptop: you must not be sorry, if someone says he does not know instead of guessing i think thats very cool :-) Aug 25 18:55:34 nschle85: ok then :-) any other question (that i hope i can tell you) :) just tell me Aug 25 18:56:30 angelox|laptop: ok, i have a very last question, if i put an external sd card into the phone what kind of data is stored there ? can i remove it later without loosing some data ? Aug 25 18:58:20 nschle85: you can store anything you want there. Defautly,it will create some folders (something like Sounds,Pictures...) you can remove them finely Aug 25 19:01:19 angelox|laptop: thank you, now ill try a full flash :-) Aug 25 19:01:49 DocScrutinizer: are you online ? Aug 25 19:01:49 nschle85: no problems,and good luck :) Aug 25 19:02:31 angelox|laptop: i'll inform you if i can boot shr from external sd with only one partition :-) Aug 25 19:03:19 nschle85: ok then,i'm waiting :) Aug 25 19:04:02 angelox|laptop: you should not wait, i send an interrupt :-) Aug 25 19:04:54 angelox|laptop: ok you can wait in a separate thread :-) ill notify you :-) Aug 25 19:06:20 nschle85: heheh! Then i'll start another thread! Notify me! :-) Aug 25 19:07:30 angelox|laptop: but i neet the object where i can notify on :-) Aug 25 19:07:38 need Aug 25 19:08:04 angelox|laptop: here in irc ? Aug 25 19:08:36 nschle85: yes,just call me like 'angelox|laptop: ping' and my xchat will blink :) Aug 25 19:09:56 angelox|laptop: ok, hope i have some results this weekend.... Aug 25 19:10:56 nschle85: good luck so :) Aug 25 19:27:36 nschle85: use the wall charger for n900 to charge a really depleted battery. Aug 25 19:28:17 nschle85: basically, that's the only way, and requires no tricks, just plug in and it will start blinking with orange led and charging. Aug 25 19:33:13 PaulFertser: and if i flashed wrong kernel, it will also charge ? Aug 25 19:33:34 nschle85: yes, with an almost empty battery. But then it'll try to boot it. Aug 25 19:34:00 nschle85: otoh, flashing a kernel is a really fast process, you can flash the right one if you have at least some minimal charge. Aug 25 19:34:47 nschle85: so, what i think is that nolo will charge empty battery on its own (but only with a wall charger). If it thinks battery is (no more) empty, it'll try to boot. Aug 25 19:35:06 PaulFertser: and if the battery is really discharged, i can charge it in nolo and flash later Aug 25 19:35:25 nschle85: yes, nolo will start charging automatically as soon as you plug a wall-charger. Aug 25 19:35:27 PaulFertser: polnjo Aug 25 19:35:45 PaulFertser: ponimajo Aug 25 19:36:06 nschle85: (i was really-really surprised to understand that only using the wall-charger can allow me to bring the device "back to life", that's why i'm so insisting in repeating it :) ) Aug 25 19:36:26 nschle85: are you studying russian? :-O Aug 25 19:36:43 PaulFertser: this is not russian but more like polish Aug 25 19:37:06 PaulFertser: no... Aug 25 19:37:41 Alex[sp3dev]: do you know polish? ;) Aug 25 19:37:50 PaulFertser: i know russian Aug 25 19:37:55 Alex[sp3dev]: zankuju :-) Aug 25 19:38:12 PaulFertser: spacibo Aug 25 19:38:24 Alex[sp3dev]: guess what, i do it as well ;) Aug 25 19:38:32 nschle85: пожалуйста :) Aug 25 19:38:46 nschle85: pong Aug 25 19:39:09 PaulFertser: where are you from? i'm from russia ;) Aug 25 19:39:15 PaulFertser: btw, Privet! Aug 25 19:39:42 duh, flatbatrecover? Aug 25 19:40:04 Alex[sp3dev]: moscow Aug 25 19:40:12 ~flatbatrecover Aug 25 19:40:12 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Aug 25 19:40:21 angelox|laptop: privet :) Aug 25 19:40:24 DocScrutinizer: i wanted to know how to load the accumulatato with a bricked N900 Aug 25 19:40:42 PaulFertser: oic. i'm from Kaluga but i'm studying in Moscow Aug 25 19:40:51 ~tell nschle85 about flatbatrecover Aug 25 19:40:52 nschle85: yep, he provided you with exactly what you need :) Aug 25 19:40:57 DocScrutinizer: hey :) Aug 25 19:41:10 Alex[sp3dev]: (kaluga) obvious from your ip ;) Aug 25 19:41:29 ~factinfo flatbatrecover Aug 25 19:41:29 flatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (395 days); last modified at Mon Jul 26 02:06:16 2010 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 33 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 38s ago. Aug 25 19:43:43 nschle85: anyway nota bene this WON'T WORK with a *bricked* system. as the emergency recovery charge only charges so much that the *system* could boot - it's NOT sufficient to make NOLO allow flashing Aug 25 19:43:53 DocScrutinizer: his case is a little bit more complicated by having an unsuitable kernel flash. Aug 25 19:43:58 flashed Aug 25 19:44:14 that's why you ALWAYS(!!!) check your battery is completely charged before you start flashing sessions Aug 25 19:44:46 PaulFertser: then he's "doomed". Only chance: alien charging Aug 25 19:45:12 DocScrutinizer: are you sure that nolo can charge enough to allow for booting but not to allow for flashing? Aug 25 19:45:20 (there's also a theoretical way to charge via a coldflashed special NOLO, but that special NOLO doesn't exist) Aug 25 19:45:24 DocScrutinizer: does the phone boot without accumulator like GTA02 ? Aug 25 19:45:31 PaulFertser: yes Aug 25 19:45:35 absolutely Aug 25 19:45:47 nschle85: no Aug 25 19:46:52 DocScrutinizer: :( Aug 25 19:47:05 yeah, but that'S the way it is Aug 25 19:47:54 DocScrutinizer: i wanted to buy a alien charger, but in german amazon you get only a chinese box... Aug 25 19:48:21 you *could* boot into a rescue system (prolly meego then) on uSD, and charge there, using any proper working charging mode Aug 25 19:49:20 flasher allows to give kernel and kernel cmdline parameters Aug 25 19:49:34 DocScrutinizer: ok, my question was really theoretically, my battery is fully charged, so i wont waste your time Aug 25 19:49:40 DocScrutinizer: so nolo can allow one to boot a kernel but not to flash it? Weird. Aug 25 19:49:40 I.E. you can boot from uSD by using flasher Aug 25 19:49:55 But that's good news. Aug 25 19:50:07 Even while flasher is still proprietary shit. Aug 25 19:50:15 yeah Aug 25 19:50:55 well, I'm not all sure about NOLO allowing booting kernel from uSD when battery is very low Aug 25 19:51:17 I know the meego guys booted that way in the early days Aug 25 19:51:37 but they probably had no flat battery and a working maemo system as well Aug 25 19:51:59 DocScrutinizer: i suppose you can boot kernel with flasher (from your laptop) and that kernel might be preconfigured to use rootfs on uSD. Aug 25 19:52:09 DocScrutinizer: i would like to buy a second battery and an alien charger but here you cannot buy one from nokia Aug 25 19:52:20 PaulFertser: yes Aug 25 19:52:28 that'S how it actually works Aug 25 19:52:32 DocScrutinizer: only chinese stuff Aug 25 19:53:02 doesn't matter, that chinese stuff usually kinda "works" Aug 25 19:54:46 DocScrutinizer: i wont buy a LiPo battery from china Aug 25 19:55:39 if you wanna "laugh" about security the wrong way round, as in http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif then read http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ latest, from [2011-08-25 20:35:50] see, I'm always afraid I Aug 25 19:56:23 nschle85: well, I meant the chargers Aug 25 19:57:06 for the batteries I got me one "second hand" 'genuine Nokia' in my nearest turkish handy&crap shop Aug 25 19:57:20 just works Aug 25 19:57:26 maybe actually genuine Aug 25 19:57:33 ~12EUR Aug 25 19:57:45 DocScrutinizer: ok then a chinese charger will also explode/burn a normal LiPo battery Aug 25 19:58:33 shouldn't. All sane batteries come with a protection circuit built in. crappy charger AND crappy battery though may cause nice effects Aug 25 19:59:34 DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw wrong charger used with Lipo Aug 25 19:59:59 irrelevant, you never know what's been the particular cell and charger Aug 25 20:00:28 probably 16450 Aug 25 20:01:16 nschle85: LiPoly batteries are actually much safer than traditional LiIon ones. you can even buy naked cells here in Germany... Aug 25 20:02:34 antrik: dont think so, lipo are very unsafe if charged wrong Aug 25 20:03:46 nschle85: this is a promo video for a LipoSack that's supposed to protect you and your cat. Sure they exaggerate. All the cells shown in this video are 16450 or similar HUGE cells WITHOUT protection circuit, and the charger never is shown at al, probably they fed 20A to the cell Aug 25 20:05:50 actually cells of the BL-5J type are supposed to be safe even on overcharging at 5V 1A for several hours. And the protection circuit in the battery will protect the cel even from that Aug 25 20:08:14 nschle85: closely observe charging first time you use your new charger. See if everything behaves and it seems like charger shuts down charging eventually, without cell getting hot prior to that. I'd say I guarantee you're rather safe after that Aug 25 20:10:48 nschle85: try inserting a known charged battery and see if the charger detects end of charging after some 10 or so minutes. Remove and reinsert battery and see if charger detects battery at all (if not odds are the protection circuit kicked in which is not really a good sign for the charger's quality) Aug 25 20:10:50 DocScrutinizer: ok, but i think original BL-5J are LiIOn and the chinese versions are LiPo, Aug 25 20:11:00 maybe Aug 25 20:11:16 original BL-5J is LiIon, right Aug 25 20:12:38 but that's not really a problem, is it? You shouldn't use chinese batteries if you feel uncomfortable with their quality, and the charger doesn't care if it's LiPo or LiIon Aug 25 20:12:48 DocScrutinizer: so my questions are very speculative, because my battery is not discharged and i did not bought any battery or charger Aug 25 20:13:37 DocScrutinizer: so ate the moment no real problem exists Aug 25 20:13:48 :nod: Aug 25 20:14:22 I'll try to find somebody out in a beergarden to buy me a beer now. o/ Aug 25 20:14:34 DocScrutinizer: enjoy your evening :) Aug 25 20:14:41 DocScrutinizer: good luck :-) Aug 25 20:15:12 DocScrutinizer: i am in Markt Schwaben... so how far it it to you ? Aug 25 20:15:30 hmm, how far is Nuernberg? Aug 25 20:15:55 mrmoku: thanks :-D Aug 25 20:16:16 DocScrutinizer: 1 -3 hours, depends on day and time Aug 25 20:16:47 so that's precisely how far it is to me right now :-) Aug 25 20:17:07 DocScrutinizer: markt schwaben its 25 km from munich (A94) Aug 25 20:17:18 :nod: Aug 25 20:18:33 DocScrutinizer: we should meet at oktoberfest, i think we should invite JaMa: to drink really good beer :-) Aug 25 20:19:13 sounds like a plan :-D Aug 25 20:19:41 DocScrutinizer: yes.. Aug 25 20:20:02 DocScrutinizer: or we meet in winter in the alps Aug 25 20:20:24 DocScrutinizer: JaMa: can ski Aug 25 20:21:00 nah, I'm allergic to cold, to that white stuff that looks like Camembert, and generally to winter Aug 25 20:22:29 DocScrutinizer: our company organized every winter a "Riesenslalom" and our Zchech collegues are always welcome too.. Aug 25 20:22:31 I'm leaving for Spain or Taiwan or any better place whenever I can, at beginning of december the latest Aug 25 20:23:13 or I don't leave home until mid of March Aug 25 20:23:41 but I really should leave home now Aug 25 20:23:52 ~weather EDDN Aug 25 20:23:55 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.08.25 1950 UTC; Dew Point: 62 F (17 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.91 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Relative Humidity: 68%; Temperature: 73 F (23 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the E (090 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT) Aug 25 20:24:01 DocScrutinizer: you are welcome too.. i need some nanny for my 1yo son :-) Aug 25 20:24:42 mrmoku: ping Aug 25 20:25:02 mrmoku: i've just sent patch for phonefsod (i don't have rw access to that repo) Aug 25 20:25:34 ^^^that's a lie, here downtown it's like 26°C now at 22:30 Aug 25 20:26:42 DocScrutinizer: i can support you Aug 25 20:27:29 DocScrutinizer: 17 degrees , thats long time ago, i feel Aug 25 20:27:49 JaMa: ping Aug 25 20:28:05 Dew Point: 62 F (17 C) Temperature: 73 F (23 C); Aug 25 20:28:41 DocScrutinizer: Dew Point ? please translate intom german Aug 25 20:30:27 taupunkt Aug 25 20:30:55 the temperature where fog would start to show up Aug 25 20:31:02 pespin_: finished :) Aug 25 20:31:50 ~wiki dew point Aug 25 20:31:54 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dew_point (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'dew point' is the temperature to which a given parcel of humid air must be cooled, at constant barometric pressure, for water vapor to condense into water. The condensed water is called dew. The dew point is a saturation temperature. The dew point is associated with relative humidity. A high relative humidity indicates that the dew point is closer to the current air temperature. ... Aug 25 20:34:34 at dew point temperature stalls to drop, rather it stays at constant temperature and all energy that is extracted (radiaton to dark sky for example) will cause fog to get thicker Aug 25 20:35:01 so this night has few chances to get comfortable, no matter what Aug 25 20:35:33 DocScrutinizer: i think tomorrow ill start my grill :-) Aug 25 20:36:28 DocScrutinizer: PaulFertser: ja otchenn lublju schaschlik :-) Aug 25 20:36:56 freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * rcdbe4f462af4 10aurora/aurora-applications/ (12 files in 4 dirs): app-settings: remove GPS,since we don't have a working API for it and we should focus in basic stuff for now Aug 25 20:37:20 nschle85: and i'm a (lacto-ovo-)vegeterian Aug 25 20:37:52 nschle85: ya takzhe Aug 25 20:38:47 angelox|laptop: btw, do you know you can make gps use FSO resources to power on/off the gps module? Aug 25 20:38:53 PaulFertser: angelox|laptop: angelox, your russian is really good :-) Aug 25 20:39:08 angelox|laptop: there's no need for any other api, gpsd is already very good. Aug 25 20:40:20 PaulFertser: yes,but first i should take care of learn gps stuff before work with it,so i'll work in basic stuff,as it is what i know :) Aug 25 20:40:42 nschle85: Thanks,i'm learning it,i've learned basic stuff :) Aug 25 20:41:09 angelox|laptop: you learned the right basic stuff Aug 25 20:43:30 nschle85: horosho! Aug 25 20:43:49 s/horosho/spasibo!/ Aug 25 20:43:50 angelox|laptop meant: nschle85: spasibo!! Aug 25 20:44:02 did a little mistake :) Aug 25 20:44:16 PaulFertser: angelox|laptop: I wanted to implement GPS for shr on N900, its very new to me and i thought it should be done in gpsd. So we should share our knowledge, to get faster results Aug 25 20:44:58 PaulFertser: so org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device will help me? Aug 25 20:46:01 nschle85: i'm completaly newbie in middleware,so i can't help anything,else in learning with masters :) Aug 25 20:47:10 angelox|laptop: no.. here iam also starting from zero Aug 25 20:47:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKn4VyEFUQs <= elfe composited windows list Aug 25 20:47:50 nschle85: you'd need to get hold of the ISI interface to modem, as that's where N900 GPS is coming from Aug 25 20:48:02 angelox|laptop: no, Gypsy is deprecated and shouldn't be used. Aug 25 20:48:15 angelox|laptop: there's no good established dbus api for gps established. Aug 25 20:48:32 angelox|laptop: one should better just use libgps, that's standard. Aug 25 20:48:56 DocScrutinizer: i know, at work i have the knowledge how to write ethereal plugins Aug 25 20:49:09 aah Aug 25 20:50:05 DocScrutinizer: so re-engenering should not be the problem Aug 25 20:50:26 angelox|laptop: the question how to interface gpsd with "strange" devices (as n900 gps) is still open though. Aug 25 20:51:08 DocScrutinizer: i need some time to get warm with tat device.... Aug 25 20:51:09 well, the normal output to transform to "NMEA" is almost documented. What's missing is all around AGPS Aug 25 20:51:11 PaulFertser: oh,i see... Aug 25 20:51:39 DocScrutinizer: agps is not really necessary Aug 25 20:51:52 On n900 it's almost is, heh Aug 25 20:52:42 without AGPS a TTFF of several 10 minutes is not unusual Aug 25 20:54:16 DocScrutinizer: they made some rather bad hw design decisions on n810, and that was widely known, and yet they manage to screw it again with n900, probably nokia deserved their fate :/ Aug 25 20:55:36 well, the decision to connect GPS to BB5 wasn't all that weird. It's probably been done to allow ~gsm-agps Aug 25 20:55:49 ~gsm-agps Aug 25 20:55:49 rrlp is, like, the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP Aug 25 20:57:19 the result is N900 GPS - when used with a SIM that gets SUPL alike support OTA from a GSM network, has a TTFF of usually <10s Aug 25 20:58:27 N900 is using nl5350/nl5550 ? Aug 25 20:58:31 at least for German carrier O2 Aug 25 20:58:46 for GPS? sounds about right Aug 25 20:59:44 DocScrutinizer: i dont know what you talking about... so i'll study and write my knowledge in wiki Aug 25 21:00:08 DocScrutinizer: yes but poor reception performance can't be explained by that. Aug 25 21:00:24 DocScrutinizer: TI's gps driver is closed ? Aug 25 21:00:30 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_GPS_Reverse_Engineering http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS >>The GPS in the N900 is a TI GPS5030 - navilink<< Aug 25 21:00:51