**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 22 02:59:57 2011 Sep 22 06:44:50 moin Sep 22 06:45:36 hi Sep 22 06:46:07 shr-core for pre2 should build fine I think. Just msmcommd not building Sep 22 06:46:42 by default there is no udev in my n900 image Sep 22 06:46:42 so nschle85 got udev by installing a package I guess Sep 22 06:46:42 as a dependency Sep 22 06:46:44 ah? Sep 22 06:46:44 newer gcc issues? Sep 22 06:54:34 moin Sep 22 06:55:59 I'll go bye Sep 22 07:24:09 GarthPS: try newer msmcommd SRCREV Sep 22 07:24:24 GarthPS: as I've bumped cornucopia without building pre (msmcomm) Sep 22 07:27:22 JaMa: hi , you mean to localy bump SRCREV ? Sep 22 07:33:27 trying it Sep 22 07:33:40 was 4 weeks old Sep 22 07:34:17 JaMa: hmm , do you have an idea why I h ave this Sep 22 07:34:18 OE @ ~/aurora $ . setup-env Sep 22 07:34:19 environment: TOPDIR not defined Sep 22 07:35:41 do you have TOPDIR definition in setup-env? Sep 22 07:37:43 JaMa: surely as it is the same setup-env than shr-core and for it . setup-env works so.. Sep 22 07:37:52 that is why I am a bit lost Sep 22 07:38:16 I have aurora and shr-core both in OE/ Sep 22 07:38:27 pointing to the same setup-env Sep 22 07:43:17 GarthPS: what's in ./conf/topdir.conf? Sep 22 07:44:28 TOPDIR='/home/sylvain/dev/buildhost/shr-chroot/OE/aurora' ... :/ Sep 22 07:44:40 I will check that.. thx.. Sep 22 07:46:05 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * r1519bf574c44 10/ (82 files in 13 dirs): system upgrade Sep 22 07:47:39 JaMa: was not enought for msmcomm .. Sep 22 07:47:55 still | ../msmcomm/.libs/libmsmcomm.so: undefined reference to `fso_framework_logger_setReprDelegate' Sep 22 07:49:54 ok for the topdir was my fault.. Sep 22 07:55:16 moin Sep 22 07:55:37 moin Sep 22 08:01:20 moin Sep 22 09:41:16 good morning Sep 22 11:04:59 jivs: he's serving the pages from home. Sep 22 11:06:49 and qalee is based on FSO and QT4 (he did a version with debian and another using openembedded) Sep 22 11:46:57 leviathan: ping Sep 22 12:28:42 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rf78c02ae9bf1 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: remove blacklist entries no longer needed and blacklist external toolchains Sep 22 12:32:30 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rf78c02ae9bf1 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: remove blacklist entries no longer needed and blacklist external toolchains Sep 22 12:32:30 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rd3773502a85e 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: shr: set PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libx11-native Sep 22 12:32:40 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rcdedaf37701b 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): BSPs: switch from xserver-xorg to xserver-xf86(-dri)-lite Sep 22 12:32:40 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r7b9ee6884612 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-graphics/mesa/ (mesa-dri/glamo.patch mesa-dri_7.11.bbappend): meta-openmoko: mesa-dri: add glamo support Sep 22 14:24:30 wtf http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/22/openmobile-demos-acl-for-meego-promises-100-compatibility-with/ Sep 22 14:31:43 ok, so I have a very basic aurora-image built for om-gta02. Now I need to figure out how to get bitbake to include things to make it useful :) Sep 22 14:33:03 lg_quassel: you can add simple layer like this https://gitorious.org/shr/meta-jama/trees/master Sep 22 14:33:40 JaMa: :) Sep 22 16:03:00 question about openembedded recipes - I'm new to openembedded and trying to compile dz099i, which is fairly old; the do_install part of the build puts stuff in the host's /usr/lib instead of the 'image' directory in the working path. what do I need to change to get it to go in the right place? Sep 22 16:17:39 jfthomps: do you mean in your actual host system's path? Sep 22 16:17:55 well, the chroot host system path Sep 22 16:18:49 that shouldn't happen be able to happen if you're building as a non-root user (you wouldn't do something silly/reckless like building it as root would you?) Sep 22 16:20:20 looks like /usr/lib is a symlink to /usr/lib64 which is owned by the bitbake user and I am running the bitbake commands as the bitbake user like the instructions I saw said to do Sep 22 16:20:34 but that is an interesting point Sep 22 16:21:14 I'm following the http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR guide Sep 22 16:21:29 hmmm, I guess I'm not sure since the shr-chroot doesn't work on my build server, so I created an arch chroot Sep 22 16:22:41 okay, thanks anyway - it may not really matter since I think this particular package only provides build time libraries so I may not even need an install section, just a staging one Sep 22 16:24:27 if it's a recipe supplied, I don't think it should be installing anywhere but the staging directories, if it's one you created, it /may/ be able to throw things anywhere (though it may have more sanity checks, I don't really recall how bitbake handles that) Sep 22 16:32:25 it's a recipe I'm creating Sep 22 16:38:22 you could pastebin the recipe and I (or someone else) could check to see if you're doing anything odd which may cause that Sep 22 16:41:33 http://pastebin.com/HD2Eftat Sep 22 17:06:20 jfthomps: rather than calling ./configure directly, you may want to setup things and then use oe_runconf Sep 22 17:07:18 I'd say perhaps after running ./fixunix.sh Sep 22 17:07:32 okay - I'll give that a shot Sep 22 17:10:45 yo GNUtoo Sep 22 17:12:21 hi Sep 22 17:12:40 I'm in the train so it could cut because of power || 3g range Sep 22 17:12:58 mickeyl, how are you? Sep 22 17:12:58 fine? Sep 22 17:13:07 jfthomps: if it works, you may want to rename it to do_configure_prepend and remove the oe_runconf, you may also want to see if you can do something similar with using the default do_make and do_install (perhaps using _prepend, but I'm not sure if the export CROSSCOMPILE=1 will go across functions in that way) Sep 22 17:13:30 GNUtoo: ya, everything ok so far Sep 22 17:13:51 lg_quassel: thanks, I got pulled off on something else, but I'll give that a try when I get a chance Sep 22 17:14:25 jfthomps: no worries, I'm off to lunch now anyways :) Sep 22 17:14:32 lg_quassel: openembedded looks pretty useful, I'm just still trying to figure out how it all works Sep 22 17:14:59 we must think how to go forward with reguards to freesmartphone and its consumers(distros) Sep 22 17:14:59 the other day I was thinking about the past Sep 22 17:14:59 could the past help us preventing the same errors to happend again? Sep 22 17:15:53 ok Sep 22 17:16:12 yep Sep 22 17:16:20 we really need that meeting Sep 22 17:16:27 lets try to talk morphis into taking the organizer's head Sep 22 17:16:38 or role Sep 22 17:16:41 or whatever :) Sep 22 17:21:08 btw about zaurus csl3000....is 64M of ram enough? Sep 22 17:21:08 or is it very penalizing? Sep 22 17:21:14 btw I'm not convinced that limiting the number of devices we work on is a good idea Sep 22 17:21:14 some people may think so Sep 22 17:21:15 but I'm not sure it's the issue Sep 22 17:21:16 altough maybe some kind of priorities would be better Sep 22 17:21:16 like a scheduler Sep 22 17:21:21 indeed Sep 22 17:21:28 but I'm thinking about that often.... Sep 22 17:21:32 nah, you're pretty much right. if all you have is one device, you can concentrate best Sep 22 17:21:41 we must bring something to the meeting Sep 22 17:21:41 like ideas Sep 22 17:21:43 you _got_ to make it work, not switch to another one :) Sep 22 17:21:54 yes possible Sep 22 17:22:02 but if you have only htcdream Sep 22 17:22:06 at the end you make it work Sep 22 17:22:29 but is it really worth it? Sep 22 17:22:29 I mean there are some factorisation in the work that can be done Sep 22 17:22:55 for instance fix the kenrel autoload for all machines at once... Sep 22 17:23:43 priorities work better Sep 22 17:24:02 well... from my point of view these days it's almost irrelevant what device we target. apart from the really old gta02, i think we can almost take _any_ device and try to make it 100%. on that way we will have enough obstacles to solve, let alone doing this for multiple devices. it sucks that we can't show anything 100% working to anyone, no matter what fscking device. Sep 22 17:24:31 yup Sep 22 17:25:33 leviathan: ping :) Sep 22 17:26:39 I've done a porting guide.... Sep 22 17:26:39 that should be on the topic Sep 22 17:26:39 but no one uses it Sep 22 17:26:40 some users are not good enough to use it Sep 22 17:26:41 some like morphis think they are too good to use it Sep 22 17:31:24 GNUtoo: hmm... fso or shr wiki? Sep 22 17:31:49 ahh... found it Sep 22 18:03:59 ~seen morphis Sep 22 18:04:03 morphis <~morphis@p5B2C37F1.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 2d 42m 3s ago, saying: 'bye'. Sep 22 18:04:11 did anyone work more on the n900 or is it in limbo atm? Sep 22 18:07:32 mickeyl: I got lost in fsoaudiod before my vacations and did not come back to anything after :/ Sep 22 18:08:10 mickeyl: though I think dos1|away did some things for n900 Sep 22 18:08:53 mrmoku: oki Sep 22 18:09:16 mickeyl: btw. did you already play with gta04? Sep 22 18:09:39 leviathan: PING :-D Sep 22 18:12:54 mrmoku: i just got it back this week, i had send it back for a USB hotfix. i want to give it a shot this weekend Sep 22 18:14:17 i think it would be a good opportunity to catch up with the work on oe-core Sep 22 18:14:29 great Sep 22 18:14:49 I'm trying to catch leviathan to talk about getting a kernel for gta04 into oe-core Sep 22 18:14:51 i have to do my first build with it and learn something about the layers. then pushing gta04 in our smartphone layer Sep 22 18:14:57 ah, right Sep 22 18:15:13 good plan Sep 22 18:17:41 as kind of an outsider looking in, I'd kind of echo GNUtoo's suggestion that the amount of devices "officially" supported be cut back. Have one or two devices that work 100% and then accept patches and or work on others to bring them up Sep 22 18:18:46 I think we should decide that with data Sep 22 18:18:52 losinggeneration: *nod* Sep 22 18:18:54 I mean look at what devices are worth Sep 22 18:19:10 mrmoku: i can ask for the latest git tree and config on the mailing list Sep 22 18:19:14 look at the developpers we have/are Sep 22 18:19:40 I think the main issue is bugs tough Sep 22 18:20:43 mickeyl: I think I have it in my mail archive Sep 22 18:21:07 mrmoku: ok, good. i did only use their prebuilt stuff yet, but lxde sucks ;) Sep 22 18:21:14 * mickeyl wants to see oe-core and aurora on it Sep 22 18:21:24 (so to speak) Sep 22 18:21:29 but wanted to ask him if we should go for the 3 he made booting or the older one Sep 22 18:21:53 * mrmoku wants SHR-core images fast :) Sep 22 18:24:46 GNUtoo: bugs for sure are a problem... but IMO the main problem is still the lack of planning Sep 22 18:25:03 ok Sep 22 18:25:11 planning is good Sep 22 18:25:13 maybe we need planning per devices Sep 22 18:26:05 planning should help to focus on one thing at a time to avoid jumping from here to there without achieving much Sep 22 18:26:12 full ACK Sep 22 18:26:18 full ACK too Sep 22 18:26:31 it also helps for people with shrinking times Sep 22 18:26:37 yup Sep 22 18:26:40 if we always know what to do, we can use the spare time more efficiently Sep 22 18:27:04 also an issue is that I often need to talk to people that are not there Sep 22 18:27:10 so I spend the time waiting Sep 22 18:27:12 To me it seems that if someone who wants to have bugs fixed started to actually using the device, most of the annoying bugs would be found and fixed ;) Sep 22 18:27:24 :P Sep 22 18:27:38 PaulFertser: *nod* Sep 22 18:27:40 Really, it's somewhat strange everybody's developing but nobody's using. Sep 22 18:27:44 PaulFertser, I did that for om-gta02 and for all other devices.... Sep 22 18:27:46 note the did Sep 22 18:28:00 I want to use gta02 again Sep 22 18:28:10 GNUtoo: so did I, we've fixed plenty of bugs back then, just because we needed to get it fixed :) Sep 22 18:28:12 but I need to buy a battery Sep 22 18:28:12 mine is broken Sep 22 18:28:22 GNUtoo: why do not you want to use a nokia one? Sep 22 18:28:36 GNUtoo: i have plenty of TH spre Sep 22 18:28:38 spare Sep 22 18:28:42 TH ? Sep 22 18:28:44 only few CC though Sep 22 18:28:51 PaulFertser, nokia one? Sep 22 18:28:53 n900? Sep 22 18:28:54 TH are the older ones, for 01 Sep 22 18:28:59 ahh the batter Sep 22 18:29:00 mickeyl: btw, hi :) hi, everybody :D Sep 22 18:29:02 *battery Sep 22 18:29:04 hi PaulFertser Sep 22 18:29:05 yep Sep 22 18:29:18 GNUtoo: just grab BL-6C or 5C from a local cellphone store, and be set :) Sep 22 18:29:21 it doesn't work well and I've no compatible nokia one right now Sep 22 18:29:33 ah? didn't the nokia ones had issues Sep 22 18:29:46 GNUtoo: haven't you read the battery Q&A ;) Sep 22 18:30:11 GNUtoo: i'm using a battery i bought from ebay for $3 and that's fine :) Sep 22 18:30:33 ah ok Sep 22 18:30:45 I'll re-read Sep 22 18:33:36 mickeyl: i sometimes had some strange feeling like i wanted to send a hate mail to the FIC engineer who decided to use 10k reference inside the battery instead of nokia-compatible ~60k. Luckily, i've given up hating long time ago :) Sep 22 18:34:04 PaulFertser: hehe, i can imagine. you would have to send a lot of hate mail though, if you wanted to take all the fsckups into accont... Sep 22 18:34:34 mickeyl: indeed :) hopefully, i'm all through it :) Sep 22 18:34:57 excellet Sep 22 18:34:58 nt Sep 22 18:37:39 mickeyl: what do you thing about the most promising device currently? Is it n900 or palm pre? Any future plans? Sep 22 18:38:00 I mean it'd be interesting to hear your insight about the future of this field. Sep 22 18:39:20 PaulFertser: That's a good question. Considering how sparse spare time is these days, I don't see us coming much forward, if we always fight on all layers together. Sep 22 18:39:37 i.e. i don't see the time that goes into reverse engineering as valuable Sep 22 18:39:45 it all takes too long Sep 22 18:40:18 so given that, i'd say we need to concentrate on devices where we can more or less take the lower layers for granted Sep 22 18:40:35 which is devices that use standard protocols and have a finished kernel that we can use Sep 22 18:40:54 some month ago I would have considered n900 to be such a device :/ Sep 22 18:40:55 mickeyl: but i do not see any reasonable devices at all, n900 is dead and no interest from the kernel developers puts middleware into a loosing position. Sep 22 18:41:07 indeed Sep 22 18:41:14 mickeyl: raster was telling a lot but i haven't heard anything from him for about a year :( Sep 22 18:41:25 mrmoku: yes, me too. but we really lost on modem and audio and i don't see us advancing there Sep 22 18:41:39 PaulFertser: (raster) yes, that's a sad thing as well. Sep 22 18:41:50 perhaps with the newest bada opening rumours we get something, but i'd be surprised Sep 22 18:41:53 coming back to the original question Sep 22 18:41:56 mickeyl: even if we finish those two... it will never be perfect due to unfinished stuff like power saving Sep 22 18:42:04 i also don't see reasonable off-the-shelf devices Sep 22 18:42:18 i'm afraid my last bit of hope lays on the gta04 atm. Sep 22 18:43:13 mrmoku: yes, fully true. unfortunately, but it doesn't help not facing the hard truth Sep 22 18:43:26 that's why i think we really need to meet asap Sep 22 18:43:39 consolidate work, and check whether we can find a common focus again Sep 22 18:43:43 as small as possible Sep 22 18:43:46 yup Sep 22 18:43:50 mickeyl: why didn't they want to make a really "brutal" and "ad-hoc" device with a new case and new bigger screen? I know that good case would be impossible but something that looks awful but still works would be cheap enough. No? Sep 22 18:43:57 brb Sep 22 18:44:43 PaulFertser: they want. but they are realistic. given a team of the size and the budget they have it's better to do such a project in steps. first step was the OM-beagleboard-hybrid, 2nd step is the exchange board for OM, 3rd step will be a new case Sep 22 18:44:50 who would want to really uses the devices beside me? Sep 22 18:44:50 morphis maybe Sep 22 18:44:50 note that I don't want to be alone on that Sep 22 18:44:55 because I kind of get nervous easily Sep 22 18:44:55 and could broke the device in question Sep 22 18:44:56 so I would really need help in fixing stuff Sep 22 18:44:56 basically as a phone I currently use the nexus one under replicant Sep 22 18:44:57 but I could use the om-gta02 Sep 22 18:44:58 it only need: Sep 22 18:44:58 *bluetooth Sep 22 18:44:59 *a battery Sep 22 18:45:12 GNUtoo: i want. but not the 02, that one has too much limits for me. Sep 22 18:45:23 mickeyl: i feel like they're too ambitious about the case. They want to make a "proper" contemporary case. Which is prohibitively expensive. Sep 22 18:45:55 GNUtoo: bluetooth gsm or bluetooth for music? Sep 22 18:45:57 PaulFertser: yep, it's all a matter of budget. and right now it's not a priority. Sep 22 18:45:57 PaulFertser, there is no gta01 battery in the modules in my rootfs....did they merge the driver? Sep 22 18:45:57 mickeyl, palm-pre? Sep 22 18:46:05 PaulFertser, both Sep 22 18:46:10 GNUtoo: called platform_battery now Sep 22 18:46:14 ok Sep 22 18:46:22 GNUtoo: hmm Sep 22 18:46:26 GNUtoo: support for using GSM for bluetooth in FSO is not working currently. Sep 22 18:46:38 As ophoned has bitrotted. Sep 22 18:46:40 I can fix it Sep 22 18:47:10 I was more thinking of mrmoku btw Sep 22 18:47:13 s/ophoned/that-higher-level-fso-telephony-daemon/ Sep 22 18:47:14 PaulFertser meant: As that-higher-level-fso-telephony-daemon has bitrotted. Sep 22 18:47:36 the pre at least is cheap these days, but there's still stuff missing on lower layer... and the lack of an external boot medium sucks big time Sep 22 18:48:35 but we all would need to agree on putting effort into one device Sep 22 18:48:42 otherwise it's way too fragmented :/ Sep 22 18:48:45 mickeyl: btw, do you know there's no decent free-software-supported ebook out there as well? Something's wrong with the world ;) it looks like the majority of hackers do not use phones and do not read e-books :) Sep 22 18:48:46 when asking for people to use the devices Sep 22 18:48:46 PaulFertser, for bt my biggest issue is multiplexing Sep 22 18:48:46 it cannot do multiplexing for A2DP Sep 22 18:48:59 GNUtoo: yes, i know. Sep 22 18:49:23 GNUtoo: have you tried talking in person with Takashi? Probably mailing to the alsa-devel with him CCd? Sep 22 18:49:24 PaulFertser: ya, unfortunately irix dropped the ball. too little too late. they used OE and had a hacker-friendly developer team Sep 22 18:50:19 mickeyl: tbh the only thing i really enjoy lately is OpenWrt. Great team, great results. Sep 22 18:50:53 PaulFertser: ya, very wide-spread hardware, much less RE nightmare, and very focused people Sep 22 18:50:56 mickeyl: also, i'd now choose barebox over u-boot for any given embedded project. Sep 22 18:51:35 mickeyl: yep, they're in a good position. And they're also lucky to have the most dedicated ath9k hacker in core team, that helps a lot. Sep 22 18:51:41 ok, something to take into account. although ideally i don't want to see us working on such lowlevel things Sep 22 18:51:46 PaulFertser, look at FBReader Sep 22 18:51:53 PaulFertser: (ath9k) oh yeah Sep 22 18:52:11 GNUtoo: i use it on my FR, right, but probably i'd like to have something e-ink based with a bigger screen as well. Sep 22 18:53:48 I had to play a bit with an iPad today. What a strange device, having no terminal installed by default even! Sep 22 18:53:53 hahaha Sep 22 18:53:55 :) Sep 22 18:54:19 How one can take a peek at the pppd logs there? Sep 22 18:54:30 PaulFertser: maybe it's because I never really played much with other iDevices, but the interface to the iPad feels off to me Sep 22 18:55:53 mickeyl: btw, are you an OpenWrt user yourself? After having used it for a while i consider any SOHO router that's not flashed with it to be useless :) Sep 22 18:56:49 PaulFertser: i used to use openwrt for a long time, then i switched to tomato. and just recently i moved to an asus AP that's not supported yet Sep 22 18:57:32 PaulFertser: fairly unrelated because it's not open source, where I work, we use a lot of MikroTik RouterOS boxes (couple hundred I think) Sep 22 18:58:06 losinggeneration: but that's RouterOS, not OpenWrt. Professional-grade hardware, but the OS is not nearly as cool and flexible afaict. Sep 22 18:58:43 mickeyl: what a funny twist, i'd never buy an unsupported router unless i knew there're good chances i can add support for it in a reasonable timeframe ;) Sep 22 18:59:00 losinggeneration: i'll play with a mikrotik tomorrow btw Sep 22 18:59:07 cool, probably not, salable, I think we have a few hundred users on some of the boxes Sep 22 19:00:04 losinggeneration: what do you mean? Sep 22 19:00:30 I work at an ISP that provides internet specifically to large apartment complexes Sep 22 19:00:54 GNUtoo: fixing fsophoned? Sep 22 19:01:10 losinggeneration: do you mean RouterOS is not using ath9k or hostapd or what? Sep 22 19:01:46 I mean RouterOS isn't as cool as OpenWrt, but it seems to scale pretty well Sep 22 19:02:02 losinggeneration: what makes it scale that well then? Sep 22 19:02:49 losinggeneration: isn't it the same Linux kernel with the same drivers and almost standard userspace? Sep 22 19:03:06 With some strange custom scripting facilities, heh? Sep 22 19:04:20 they use a fairly non-standard userspace from what I can tell, but and might be even doing some strangeness with binary userspace blobs for the specific hardware that they support (not totally sure since I typically don't work directly with the boxes) Sep 22 19:04:39 I wonder where did ofono go, they were telling me they're about to be used on millions of devices. Sep 22 19:04:56 losinggeneration: well, your point is moot then, sorry ;) Sep 22 19:05:13 N9 isn't using ofono? :D Sep 22 19:05:23 N9 is eating shit Sep 22 19:05:28 PaulFertser: that was before the Nokia move ;) Sep 22 19:05:28 I wasn't making a point PaulFertser, just a statement ;) Sep 22 19:05:39 I mean N9's users do. They're screwed with DRM afaict. Sep 22 19:06:07 dos1: and yes, they're not using ofono as far as i have heard. Sep 22 19:06:16 mrmoku, ??? Sep 22 19:06:16 before beeing disconnected I just want to report that: Sep 22 19:06:16 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Sep 21 08:48 device -> ../../../platform_battery Sep 22 19:06:17 in /sys/class/power_supply/battery Sep 22 19:06:18 lol Sep 22 19:06:19 I used openwrt before switching to an x86 with trisquel Sep 22 19:06:28 20:44 < GNUtoo> I was more thinking of mrmoku btw Sep 22 19:06:43 and dos1 Sep 22 19:06:44 GNUtoo: what's wrong with that platform_battery? Is it not working for you? Sep 22 19:06:47 basically SHR devs Sep 22 19:06:56 PaulFertser, quite the countrary: Sep 22 19:06:59 it works out of the box Sep 22 19:07:02 nothing to change Sep 22 19:07:23 GNUtoo: that's to be expected ;) Sep 22 19:09:06 GNUtoo: I still fail to understand... talking about using devices then? Sep 22 19:09:32 yes like using as everyday phone Sep 22 19:09:37 It sounds like GNUtoo implies you and dos1 are to grab your gta02s and start using them day-to-day :))) Sep 22 19:09:57 I was using my gta02 as everyday phone untill the n900 hit me :/ Sep 22 19:10:05 Right in the head ;) Sep 22 19:10:11 I can't use Palm Pre as I don't have one Sep 22 19:10:14 PaulFertser: indeed :P Sep 22 19:10:16 mrmoku++ Sep 22 19:10:39 not necessarly gta01 Sep 22 19:10:40 if only GTA02 has better form factor :( Sep 22 19:10:46 GNUtoo: for me the two options would probably be n900 or gta04 Sep 22 19:11:06 oops Sep 22 19:11:06 not necessarly gta02 Sep 22 19:11:06 but any device supported by SHR Sep 22 19:11:08 ok nice Sep 22 19:11:09 or better performance Sep 22 19:11:26 at least one of them would be ok Sep 22 19:11:31 so i'm looking at gta04 too Sep 22 19:11:36 when gta04 hits me I want have gta02 anymore :/ Sep 22 19:11:42 dos1: they say qtmoko works on gta02 considerably fast. Sep 22 19:11:52 mrmoku, pick n900 right now Sep 22 19:11:56 well, if it's the devices... the pre is dead cheap. if we were to chose it, i'd offer to sponsor a bunch of used ones Sep 22 19:12:04 there is sound quality and sms to fix Sep 22 19:12:11 PaulFertser: but i won't develop for SHR on qtmoko ;) Sep 22 19:13:19 mickeyl: what does dead cheap mean in numbers? Sep 22 19:13:32 50E Sep 22 19:13:45 ya, used pre goe for ~50E on ebay Sep 22 19:13:47 max Sep 22 19:13:49 sometimes less Sep 22 19:13:49 wow, that's actually really dead cheap :P Sep 22 19:13:55 dos1: if qtmoko is fast, SHR can be as fast too ;) Sep 22 19:13:59 cheaper than htcdream Sep 22 19:14:09 PaulFertser: sure Sep 22 19:14:18 PaulFertser: but still, it's muuuuuch slower than n900 for example Sep 22 19:14:28 both graphics and CPU Sep 22 19:14:37 dos1: n900 is not an option for me as it doesn't work at all. _at_all_ Sep 22 19:15:00 yup Sep 22 19:15:02 * mrmoku started to enjoy having the office number ring on the n900 via voip Sep 22 19:15:32 for me n900 doesn't work either Sep 22 19:15:37 htcdream is unusable Sep 22 19:15:45 rest the freerunner with bluetooth Sep 22 19:15:47 mickeyl: I'm still thinking about telepathy Sep 22 19:16:24 mrmoku: ok, why not. if it works, one thing less to worry about. "Just" the glue to do Sep 22 19:16:29 and what would be the better aproach Sep 22 19:16:47 write a fso telepathy backend and do gsm via telepathy too Sep 22 19:16:52 i'm afraid that it would be another mammooth that we would lose our focus in Sep 22 19:16:54 or just integrate it for voip Sep 22 19:17:04 yeah, right Sep 22 19:17:36 ah i see what you mean. fso telepathy backend and "just" the dialer using telepahty Sep 22 19:17:41 yup Sep 22 19:17:57 that would sound interesting as well Sep 22 19:18:36 yep, that could be great Sep 22 19:18:48 one could use any telepathy frontend then Sep 22 19:19:36 mrmoku: and our frontend could benefit from every other telepathy backend too Sep 22 19:19:42 indeed Sep 22 19:19:52 voip, jabber, other ims... Sep 22 19:21:59 telephony doesn't even work correctly on n900.... Sep 22 19:22:05 If only i could use my n900... FR's on-screen keyboard and small screen is such a pain for any "involving" activities (such as ssh, jabber, irc...) Sep 22 19:23:31 GNUtoo: to me it seems like getting telephony work is not that hard if e.g. morphis or some other low-level hacker could give it some love. But total lack of upstream interest in getting proper power-saving for the machine is killing my hope :/ Sep 22 19:23:33 PaulFertser, what doesn't work for you in n900? Sep 22 19:23:33 PaulFertser: we could need a talented, russion n900 kernel hacker :-) Sep 22 19:23:44 s/russion/russian/ Sep 22 19:23:44 mrmoku meant: PaulFertser: we could need a talented, russian n900 kernel hacker :-) Sep 22 19:23:58 mrmoku, like alex[sp3dev] ? Sep 22 19:24:03 GNUtoo: nothing. I've booted SHR once, but couldn't imagine how to actually use it in my life. Sep 22 19:24:09 GNUtoo: like PaulFertser :P Sep 22 19:24:45 mrmoku: unfortunately, i'm not focused enough to really make something important with n900 kernel-wise :( if even TI guys fail to bring that to sanity in their omap tree... Sep 22 19:24:57 ok Sep 22 19:24:57 I didn't read carefully as usual Sep 22 19:24:57 I tought like another talented etc.... Sep 22 19:25:14 PaulFertser: yeah, TI guys are our hope... and even quite active these days Sep 22 19:25:32 mrmoku: 2 years late they are. Fuckers :/ Sep 22 19:25:38 hehe :P Sep 22 19:25:56 better late than never... we're late too :) Sep 22 19:26:17 mrmoku: you're not paid for your great effort, and they are. Sep 22 19:26:36 sigh the status is not great on our side either Sep 22 19:26:37 right, I forgot that little difference ;) Sep 22 19:26:55 for instance on om-gta02 most patches are done by people really wanting to use the device Sep 22 19:27:12 GNUtoo: really, probably i could try to help with telephony on n900, i think i could do that. But what the difference will it make if there's no decent kernel? Sep 22 19:28:31 like unknown people on the mailing list Sep 22 19:28:31 for instance toughscreen patch etc... Sep 22 19:28:31 * GNUtoo tried really hard to use the devices but the other people were not that helping Sep 22 19:28:32 because everyone got involved in some real life thing Sep 22 19:28:52 PaulFertser, hmmm maybe try to revert to 2.6.28? Sep 22 19:28:56 Well, i'm still using my gta02. Sep 22 19:29:29 GNUtoo: nokia's 2.6.28 shit is a dead-end, i see no point in talking about that... Sep 22 19:29:32 what about meego's kernels? Sep 22 19:29:32 what is not decent? Sep 22 19:29:32 beside acceleromteter Sep 22 19:29:32 wifi seem ok Sep 22 19:31:02 GNUtoo: i've heard they suck, and nobody's using them. And that power-saving is not working, and that alsa is broken etc. Isn't it so? Sep 22 19:31:32 Ah, and no accelerated display driver at all? Sep 22 19:32:40 I mean probably meego's kernel is fine for some WEP cracking but that's too specific, and not generally useful. Sep 22 19:33:04 I'd like to be proven wrong of course. Sep 22 19:33:38 DocScrutinizer, said it was way better than the mainline one for power consumation Sep 22 19:33:54 I bet he's still using 2.6.28 though ;) Sep 22 19:35:51 GNUtoo: btw, meego never had a kernel hacker in team afaict, so most probably their kernel is almost plain omap-tree one. Sep 22 19:36:22 ah? Sep 22 19:36:26 I tought they had some Sep 22 19:37:02 * mrmoku thought so too Sep 22 19:38:05 https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_kernel <- doesn't look to have seen much in the way of commits Sep 22 19:40:20 losinggeneration: git://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel/nokia-n900-kernel.git Sep 22 19:40:58 mrmoku: yes, that's what we're looking at :) Sep 22 19:41:24 0022 mok@gonzales[pts/7]:~/src/openmoko/kernel-fso-> git fetch nokia Sep 22 19:41:24 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Sep 22 19:41:26