**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 23 02:59:56 2011 Sep 23 05:58:20 PaulFertser: (openwrt) which wireles ap would you choose for openwrt? Sep 23 05:58:52 * mrmoku has a client which wants a hotel kind of unencrypted net with password auth Sep 23 06:09:23 moin Sep 23 06:10:08 moin JaMa Sep 23 06:52:40 mrmoku: i'm big on the netgear wg301 and wag301. Sep 23 06:53:12 it has a standard 12V serial port, a metal bo, a removable atheros card, and a secret 3.3V serial port. Sep 23 06:53:21 s/bo/box/ Sep 23 06:53:21 juri_ meant: it has a standard 12V serial port, a metal box, a removable atheros card, and a secret 3.3V serial port. Sep 23 06:55:46 moin Sep 23 06:58:42 juri_: ok, thx will investigate that one :) Sep 23 06:58:57 SHR: 03sylvain.pare 07shr-makefile * r62f7426922a9 10/Makefile: Makefile: quote echappement correction Sep 23 06:59:13 it does require a non-free firmware to run the ethernet device. Sep 23 06:59:23 (bad intel. no cookie!) Sep 23 07:02:16 * losinggeneration bitbake -k world &; echo "goodnight" && sleep Sep 23 07:03:19 goodnight Sep 23 07:03:27 juri_: 301 or 103 ? Sep 23 07:14:12 <[Rui]> morning! Sep 23 07:14:23 <[Rui]> If anyone here is thinking of going to FOSDEM 2012, now's the time to buy plane tickets and book hotel rooms (a lot cheaper right now). Sep 23 08:15:31 Yay! Sep 23 08:16:22 :) Sep 23 09:25:22 hmm. 3021, actually. Sep 23 09:25:37 er. Sep 23 09:25:43 302. Sep 23 09:26:05 juri_: ok :) Sep 23 09:30:57 leviathan_: ping Sep 23 09:31:16 pong Sep 23 09:31:17 :-) Sep 23 09:31:22 leviathan_: hi :) Sep 23 09:31:36 what repo/branch should I use for gta04 in SHR? Sep 23 09:32:02 do you now have one as well?! O_o Sep 23 09:32:08 no, not yet Sep 23 09:32:12 ok Sep 23 09:32:15 hmm Sep 23 09:32:19 * mrmoku wants to be prepared :) Sep 23 09:32:35 * leviathan_ is still fighting with DSS2 in linux-3.1 Sep 23 09:32:51 the LCD just wont start under 3.1 Sep 23 09:33:08 additionally wifi steals the current from the sd-card Sep 23 09:33:20 which is suboptimal because it's where the rootfs is stores Sep 23 09:33:20 ok Sep 23 09:33:24 *stored Sep 23 09:33:38 usbnet works? Sep 23 09:34:08 after I unsoldered the faulty ESD-chip and bridged it with fine copper wire Sep 23 09:34:09 yes Sep 23 09:34:24 UMTS too Sep 23 09:34:25 :-) Sep 23 09:34:29 :) Sep 23 09:34:45 I would rather prefer to go for the current kernel Sep 23 09:34:52 hmm Sep 23 09:34:54 yes Sep 23 09:34:58 2.6.32... Sep 23 09:35:22 as long as I can do something via usb networking it should be fine Sep 23 09:35:57 with current I'm talking about 3.1 :) Sep 23 09:36:15 uhh Sep 23 09:36:17 yes Sep 23 09:36:20 well Sep 23 09:36:36 I ment current in the sense of where they are testing the HW atm Sep 23 09:36:42 and that's 2.6.32 Sep 23 09:36:46 hmm ok Sep 23 09:37:08 but it's certainly MUCH easier to fix bugs Sep 23 09:37:16 when you have access to all the schematics :-) Sep 23 09:37:25 so Sep 23 09:37:28 lecture is done Sep 23 09:37:29 mom Sep 23 09:40:24 mrmoku: do you know where is "upstream" for http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/nokia900/kernel-adaptation-n900-2.6.37-57.1 ? Sep 23 09:41:13 mrmoku: I wanted to check if there is some update to resolve omap3-isp kernel panic.. but http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source seems dead Sep 23 09:41:22 as well as meego-kernel ML Sep 23 09:42:08 JaMa: hmm.. not sure about that one Sep 23 09:42:54 JaMa: maybe Gnutoo knows... Sep 23 09:43:32 as I don't have such a remote branch in my kernel repo it was probably him Sep 23 09:44:10 ah :/ Sep 23 09:44:15 http://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel is also gone Sep 23 09:45:54 That tells a lot about the credibility of the project. All strong and shiny while nokia supports them, and closing without an announcement after both nokia and intel silently quit. Sep 23 09:46:07 ah found it http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_kernel Sep 23 09:46:10 Not much of a surprise to me of course. Sep 23 09:46:20 n9xx-v3.0-wip :) Sep 23 09:46:30 there is something new and maybe shiny! Sep 23 09:48:53 :) Sep 23 09:49:04 good morning people Sep 23 09:49:10 JaMa: have you seen list of the commits since v3.0 tag? Sep 23 09:53:34 * PaulFertser is feeling extremely frustrated by the way Broadcom approaches Linux with their new 'open source' driver and how a talented independent b43 dev is getting all alone there, without support from the elders of the linux-wireless :((( Sep 23 09:53:50 This' the thread http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/77516 Sep 23 09:54:12 PaulFertser: yes, but not sure if it's good (that most stuff is already upstream) or bad (just few patches wip) Sep 23 10:51:44 re Sep 23 10:51:46 hi mrmoku Sep 23 10:51:57 mrmoku: I'm still working on the 3.1 kernel Sep 23 10:52:15 additionally there are still some hardwarebugs Sep 23 10:52:22 leviathan_: good Sep 23 10:52:23 mrmoku: you're also a kernel dev, right? Sep 23 10:52:28 no Sep 23 10:52:31 damn Sep 23 10:52:33 -.- Sep 23 10:52:55 but I would try to help anyway :) Sep 23 10:53:04 I now soldered some stuff to get USB working Sep 23 10:53:05 BUT Sep 23 10:53:26 wifi has some fundamental issues Sep 23 10:53:38 sw or hw wise? Sep 23 10:54:05 christoph seems to have soldered some fix which will be implemented directly into the PCB for the next release Sep 23 10:54:10 HW Sep 23 10:54:15 ok Sep 23 10:55:07 I'll try if it works his way for me as well Sep 23 11:00:10 leviathan_: for gta04, right? Sep 23 11:00:29 yes Sep 23 11:07:58 Does it really make any sense: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/FirmwareInjector/ ? Sep 23 11:10:34 PaulFertser: If you think about it, nothing really makes sense Sep 23 11:10:40 :-) Sep 23 11:11:08 if someone feels lucky to take this task, let him :-) Sep 23 11:11:10 leviathan_: but honestly. How having a dedicated uC to send firmware to the chip is any different to having it done by the main CPU? Sep 23 11:11:28 ahh! this one Sep 23 11:11:31 well Sep 23 11:11:34 doesn't make sense Sep 23 11:11:44 but it's not needed either Sep 23 11:12:11 you can send any firmware over i2c Sep 23 11:12:22 you don't need another µC Sep 23 11:14:14 leviathan_: do you mean adding an eeprom on the i2c bus for the marvell chip to automatically fetch the firmware from there? Sep 23 11:14:49 no Sep 23 11:15:09 sending the firmware exactly like now Sep 23 11:15:13 just another firmware Sep 23 11:16:20 "The goal is to isolate the non-free firmware binary from the main CPU so that it becomes effectively circuitry." that's plain stupid imho Sep 23 12:33:34 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rb3a41db15447 10/meta-nokia/recipes-bsp/uboot/ (22 files in 2 dirs): u-boot: upgrade to 2011.09-rc2 and try to use bootmenu Sep 23 12:35:28 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r46d534e4dfa9 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/ (linux-openmoko.inc linux-openmoko_2.6.37.bb): linux-openmoko: search for mtdutils in sbinding Sep 23 12:35:28 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r637a6a5815e2 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/ (4 files): freesmartphone: bump SRCREVs Sep 23 12:35:29 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rccdabb1d7b4b 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/fso-specs_git.bb: fso-specs: older SRCREV because HEAD causes libfreesmartphone-glib to fail Sep 23 12:35:29 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * r729abea3c2f8 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image.inc: migrate nokia900 to devtmpfs Sep 23 12:35:29 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r4599f913edb3 10/ (21 files in 14 dirs): linux-openmoko: sync with oe.dev and add 2.6.39, remove old Sep 23 12:35:29 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r69cd466a5191 10/meta-nokia/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-nokia: merge changes from oe.dev Sep 23 12:35:30 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * re5cac8c2a2bb 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/ (linux-2.6.39/om-gta01/defconfig linux_2.6.39.bb): linux-openmoko: fix om-gta01 SRC_URI and defconfig Sep 23 12:35:30 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r73ec9df4f7b9 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/tasks/task-shr.bb: task-shr: drop few apps in order to make this parseble Sep 23 12:35:31 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rfae2d21a1aec 10/meta-shr/recipes-support/navit/ (4 files in 2 dirs): navit: add bbappend with our stuff Sep 23 12:35:33 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rea7e19a98dc8 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: shr: drop qt and strace bindings Sep 23 12:35:33 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r13c0877e5024 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/ (mdbus2_git.bb mioctl_git.bb mkdump_git.bb mterm2_git.bb): meta-fso: add LIC_FILES_CHKSUM for tools Sep 23 12:35:33 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r87e3c75acb59 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: shr: return preferred qt version but set it to 4.7.3 Sep 23 12:35:33 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r0ba59efde291 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-openmoko.inc: linux-openmoko: use relative path for link to latest kernel Sep 23 12:35:34 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rb5c8dbd03cf0 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: shr: remove LIBC and PREFERRED_PKG_FORMAT from image name Sep 23 12:35:38 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r9da2381c36aa 10/ (26 files in 2 dirs): recipes: use allarch.bbclass instead just PACKAGE_ARCH = all Sep 23 12:35:38 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rfc54d0005b2f 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image: temporary put opkg directly here, not sure why ROOTFS_PKGMANAGE in image bbclass is not installed in rootfs now (it was on 2011-04-12) Sep 23 12:35:38 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r8a48ae93f5b4 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: shr: prefer newer gobject-introspection Sep 23 12:35:38 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rfca3dc0bb0e0 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata_git.bb: libcmtspeechdata: import from OE rev d4f0211e2078d5033ae0dee74664de5520d8392d Sep 23 12:35:39 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * r1d3765bf1626 10/meta-nokia/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-nokia900-meego: update with lastest source release from meego Sep 23 12:35:44 SHR: 03mok 07meta-smartphone * re3cd0a9f0218 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/fsoaudiod_git.bb: fsoaudiod_git.bb: enable cmtspeech plugin Sep 23 12:35:44 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * re332258bcd9c 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: preferred-shr-versions: set SRCREV_pn-gobject-introspection* Sep 23 12:35:44 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rf37d05ca7450 10/meta-nokia/recipes-bsp/udev/ (6 files in 2 dirs): meta-nokia: drop udev bbappend now when devtmpfs is preferred Sep 23 12:35:44 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r2459c3da3abc 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/ (6 files): meta-fso: sync SRCREVs with oe.dev Sep 23 12:35:44 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rcfcec649234e 10/meta-nokia/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-nokia900-meego: update defconfig to build at least kernel-module-tun Sep 23 12:35:57 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r36419769b53e 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: add DISTRO_FEATURES_LIBC from oe-core to our DISTRO_FEATURES Sep 23 12:35:57 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r8506c4ce9d2f 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: SHR: prefer gcc 4.6% now when versioning was changed Sep 23 12:35:57 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r2941b6e3b8d1 10/meta-openmoko/conf/machine/ (om-gta01.conf om-gta02.conf): meta-openmoko: weak assign to IMAGE_FSTYPES, to make it easier to override from local.conf Sep 23 12:35:57 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * ree116b07f5ff 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: return ASSUME_PROVIDED for virtual/libiconv-native accidentaly removed in previous shr.conf commit Sep 23 12:35:58 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r5d1fe7a7144e 10/meta-zaurus/conf/machine/include/ (tune-xscale.inc zaurus.inc): meta-zaurus: drop tune-xscale and update zaurus.inc for new tune files in oe-core Sep 23 12:36:02 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r90e54b8a13fe 10/meta-openmoko/conf/machine/include/tune-arm920t.inc: meta-openmoko: drop tune-arm920t, because we need it from oe-core now Sep 23 12:36:02 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * re751af5ba16e 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/ (5 files): meta-fso: sync with oe.dev Sep 23 12:36:02 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rab466c6e9576 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image: move core-image import to keep POKY_BASE_INSTALL in IMAGE_INSTALL Sep 23 12:36:02 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * re96c8041237b 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: add PREFERRED_PROVIDER_libcanberra-alsa Sep 23 12:36:03 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rcd880e03ea51 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: shr: drop DISTRO_SSH_DAEMON as here we're using IMAGE_FEATURES for that Sep 23 12:36:03 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r3b07fac475d4 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: use initscripts-shr as initscripts provider, maybe convert it later to initscripts_1.0.bbappend Sep 23 12:36:08 (39 lines omitted) Sep 23 12:36:08 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r4767c6ad6d08 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): initscripts: use FILESEXTRAPATHS Sep 23 12:36:08 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rb42a52ce95a1 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/shr/shr-wizard_git.bb: shr-wizard: fix volatiles config file name Sep 23 12:36:08 SHR: 03lukas 07meta-smartphone * r8d2f03797ecc 10/meta-htc/ (5 files in 4 dirs): meta-smartphone/meta-htc: add htcleo Sep 23 12:36:08 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * r550ea1bdf74d 10/meta-shr/recipes-core/netbase/ (netbase-4.45/shr/interfaces netbase_4.45.bbappend): netbase: make usb0 comes up in /etc/network/interfaces Sep 23 12:36:08 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rccdd2fad68d9 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): meta-nokia, meta-openmoko: s/-/_/g in kernel modules for module_autoload directive and bump kernel PR Sep 23 12:36:09 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r2f3b04d1a483 10/meta-nokia/conf/machine/nokia900.conf: meta-nokia: add few more autoloaded modules per dos1 request Sep 23 12:36:13 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r6778a25b5c75 10/meta-nokia/conf/machine/nokia900.conf: meta-nokia: add few less autoloaded modules per dos1 request Sep 23 12:36:13 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r94079f48f166 10/meta-nokia/conf/machine/nokia900.conf: meta-nokia: add omap3-isp autoload Sep 23 12:36:13 SHR: 03lukas 07meta-smartphone * rfa3f81e96bf0 10/meta-htc/conf/machine/include/htc-qsd8.inc: linux-qsd8.inc: remove xf86-input-evtouch (unbuildable and not needed) Sep 23 12:36:13 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r14ed4fcb1761 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: use shadow as login_manager Sep 23 12:36:13 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r588badb76d14 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/cornucopia.inc: cornucopia: bump SRCREV Sep 23 12:36:13 SHR: 03dos 07meta-smartphone * rf05eded4212e 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/fsodeviced_git.bb: fsodeviced: RDEPEND on accelerometer-lis302 on Nokia N900 Sep 23 12:36:18 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rb21d999b890c 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/msmcomm.inc: msmcomm: bump SRCREV Sep 23 12:36:18 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * re070c5b55c99 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/mioctl_git.bb: mioctl: remove extra '.git' from SRC_URI Sep 23 12:36:18 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rd08b07ce630e 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-openmoko.inc: linux-openmoko.inc: drop creating latest link (it was missing DATETIME anyways) Sep 23 12:36:18 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r473ecf43e2ae 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux_2.6.39.bb: linux-2.6.39: fix SRC_URI Sep 23 12:36:18 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r6bb6b02fbb80 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/shr/ (shr-wizard/volatiles-98-appshadow shr-wizard_git.bb): shr-wizard: remove empty line from volatiles-98-appshadow Sep 23 12:36:23 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rfd8ea9077822 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/cornucopia.inc: cornucopia: bump SRCREV Sep 23 12:36:23 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rcc933dda8191 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/cornucopia.inc: cornucopia: bump SRCREV Sep 23 12:36:23 SHR: 03dos 07meta-smartphone * r01f03fa4aa2d 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/cornucopia.inc: cornucopia: bump SRCREV Sep 23 12:36:23 (58 lines omitted) Sep 23 12:36:23 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r8ce43cbe710f 10/meta-shr/recipes-core/netbase/netbase_4.45.bbappend: netbase: removed PACKAGE_ARCH switch after talking with GNUtoo Sep 23 12:36:23 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * red82e43171d3 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/tasks/task-shr-feed.bb: task-shr-feed: remove empty line from multiline variable Sep 23 12:36:28 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r4814be614da3 10/meta-aurora/conf/distro/ (aurora.conf include/preferred-aurora-versions.inc): meta-aurora: add configuration files for the aurora distribution Sep 23 12:36:28 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rf78c02ae9bf1 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: remove blacklist entries no longer needed and blacklist external toolchains Sep 23 12:36:28 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rc5590ca679ce 10/meta-nokia/conf/machine/nokia900.conf: meta-nokia: fix g_nokia loading again Sep 23 12:36:28 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rc4e973ea1fd4 10/ (19 files in 3 dirs): recipes: use allarch instead of PACKAGE_ARCH = all or drop PACKAGE_ARCH setting Sep 23 12:36:28 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r6407d41a32e5 10/meta-shr/recipes-navigation/gpsd/gpsd_2.95.bbappend: gpsd: remove gpsd-udev from RECOMMENDS Sep 23 12:36:33 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r110faf37336e 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/ (4 files in 3 dirs): linux-2.6.39: upgrade to 2.6.39.1 and update shr patch Sep 23 12:36:33 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rc693208cf91f 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/fsogsmd_git.bb: fsogsmd: bump PR to pickup new libgisi name Sep 23 12:36:33 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r3a83dd64063b 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/libgisi_git.bb: libgisi: add LEAD_SONAME Sep 23 12:36:33 SHR: 03mok 07meta-smartphone * r2785b0218ae3 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/cornucopia.inc: cornucopia.inc: bump FSO_CORNUCOPIA_SRCREV to catch up with newer vala Sep 23 12:36:34 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rb287197790ec 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/3rdparty/ (5 files): advancedcaching, babiloo-efl, om-neon, spojegui: fix LICENSE fields Sep 23 12:37:04 sorry :/ Sep 23 12:37:08 JaMa: yeah work a bit lounger! :) Sep 23 12:37:14 SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * r962f4afd8570 10/meta-zaurus/conf/machine/include/zaurus.inc: zaurus.inc: fix LOGO_SIZE Sep 23 12:37:14 SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * r437022644822 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-bsp/kexecboot/kexecboot.inc: kexecboot.inc: remove settings for foreign machines. Sep 23 12:37:14 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r5a5e815b17dc 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/tasks/task-shr-feed.bb: task-shr-feed: remove missing recipes or recipes with missing dependencies Sep 23 12:37:14 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r32321c2c0ef1 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-bsp/kexec-tools/ (8 files in 2 dirs): kexec-tools: remove, moved to meta-oe Sep 23 12:37:14 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r374478776ffe 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: SHR: stop gpsd-udev from pulling udev to image Sep 23 12:37:15 SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * r44aa1b26bee0 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-kexecboot.inc: linux-kexecboot.inc: remove foreign mipsel code Sep 23 12:37:29 we should update hook to CIA only master Sep 23 12:37:33 SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * re1ad34cb49af 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-kexecboot.inc: linux-kexecboot: fix dependency on lzma-native, nowadays xz is used Sep 23 12:37:33 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r0c3f574c9fd9 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/shr/ (10 files in 2 dirs): libphone-ui-shr: apply patches upstream and bump SRCREV Sep 23 12:37:33 SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * r85a47c9946bf 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-kexecboot.inc: linux-kexecboot.inc: remove unneded dependency Sep 23 12:37:33 SHR: 03andrea.adami 07meta-smartphone * r3dfd317c2094 10/meta-zaurus/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-kexecboot.inc: linux-kexecboot.inc: remove checks for unsupported kernel versions Sep 23 12:37:34 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r39db45f5070c 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/tasks/task-shr-minimal.bb: task-shr-minimal: drop libphone-ui and libphone-ui-shr as they should be pulled by shr apps Sep 23 12:38:17 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r0ec37ae2f206 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): BSPs: switch from xserver-xorg to xserver-xf86(-dri)-lite Sep 23 12:38:25 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rd1f8d4cbe0fc 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: shr: set PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libx11-native Sep 23 12:38:26 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r28c0d786e553 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-graphics/mesa/ (mesa-dri/glamo.patch mesa-dri_7.11.bbappend): meta-openmoko: mesa-dri: add glamo support Sep 23 12:38:26 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r39db45f5070c 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/tasks/task-shr-minimal.bb: task-shr-minimal: drop libphone-ui and libphone-ui-shr as they should be pulled by shr apps Sep 23 12:40:16 JaMa: that's all you have ? :) Sep 23 12:40:56 :P Sep 23 13:04:42 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rd02af315e9be 10/libmsmcomm/msmcomm/Makefile.am: libmsmcomm: fix list of libraries we are linking against Sep 23 13:04:43 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r169322bce758 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/palmpre/sms-support' Sep 23 13:04:44 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rf2c6fd670547 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/palmpre/sms-support' Sep 23 13:04:45 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r4375cf33c11f 10/libmsmcomm/structures/palmpre/sms.xml: libmsmcomm: sms structures: migrate some fields to anonymous ones Sep 23 13:14:44 pespin: hi, how's telepathy? :) Sep 23 13:16:32 mrmoku, nice, contact list is working ok now, and you can read messages received Sep 23 13:17:00 the conversation ui is not finished so you can only read received and the GUI is ugly hehe Sep 23 13:17:11 pespin: I don't remember... you're doing it with your own gdbus based vala bindings? or with the official glib-dbus ones? Sep 23 13:17:28 mrmoku, and I have a poblem with naviframe widget, it segfaults when closing the app. I suppouse some oddities with vala+efl Sep 23 13:17:44 mrmoku, own gdbus + own domain on top Sep 23 13:17:56 ok Sep 23 13:18:16 I think a fso connection manager would be a nice thing to have :) Sep 23 13:19:26 mrmoku, oh, and you need little patch to eflvala to use it (which adds naviframe to it). I already sent it to playya_ Sep 23 13:19:33 ok Sep 23 13:19:46 but anyway I'll need to redo it I think because they updated some naviframe stuff Sep 23 13:19:58 I'll ask for access to eflvala Sep 23 13:20:19 mrmoku, if you want to see updates -> https://gitorious.org/etalk/etalk/trees/master Sep 23 13:23:48 mrmoku, could you expand a bit more the "fso connection manager" thing? Sep 23 13:26:31 pespin: a telepathy backend for fso enabling for example empathy to do calls via FSO/GSM Sep 23 13:27:14 pespin: or etalk to receive SMS :) Sep 23 13:27:59 ah yeah Sep 23 13:29:20 I'll look at it once I have etalk working well enough and I'm more proficent with telepathy :) Sep 23 13:29:35 :) Sep 23 13:33:44 btw, I read there was a new TS filtering patch for om-gta02 in ml Sep 23 13:33:48 did someone try it? Sep 23 13:35:17 heh, it's already included and built :) Sep 23 13:36:25 JaMa, uh nice! hope all desktop/HOME things are fine now. Sep 23 13:36:42 * pespin happy his gta02 will be usable another time :D Sep 23 13:37:34 pespin: PATH should be fine.. but I still got /.e created.. Sep 23 13:48:29 PaulFertser: hi Sep 23 13:48:48 the idea with this firmware-userland-separation was just an idea Sep 23 13:49:04 a timid proposal of Dr.Nikolaus Schaller Sep 23 13:49:16 but it's to say Sep 23 13:49:29 that outsourcing our firmware brings a nice advantage Sep 23 13:49:49 for example don't we have this issue of potential firmware attacks Sep 23 13:50:06 and firmware+powermanagment could be managed independant from the kernel Sep 23 13:50:29 even a simple u-boot could then use nfs-boot over wifi Sep 23 13:50:40 because it doesn't need to initialize it on his own first Sep 23 13:50:41 :-) Sep 23 13:51:05 pespin: the gta04 will be usable as well soon ;-) Sep 23 13:51:22 you can buy it from my or Nikolaus' compyn ;-) Sep 23 13:51:28 *company Sep 23 13:51:30 bahh Sep 23 13:51:37 lecture+small keyboard Sep 23 13:51:39 ^.^ Sep 23 13:53:17 leviathan, I won't buy gta04 as I don't like the case :P and I want hw keyboard for next device I buy too :P Sep 23 13:53:34 and bigger screen heh Sep 23 13:54:22 * JaMa has the same concerns as pespin Sep 23 13:57:41 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r441e39a3aa2a 10/meta-aurora/recipes-aurora/images/aurora-image.bb: meta-aurora: aurora-image: turn on debug features as default for now Sep 23 13:57:42 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * rbabb11dba20c 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/msmcomm.inc: msmcomm: bump SRCREV to latest version Sep 23 13:57:42 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r1c171a2f63ff 10/meta-aurora/recipes-core/tasks/task-base.bbappend: meta-aurora: task-base: port over fix from meta-shr to exclude gsmd and it's dependencies Sep 23 13:57:42 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r3b49c3895803 10/meta-aurora/recipes-aurora/images/aurora-image.bb: meta-aurora: aurora-image: include fso2-compliance task Sep 23 13:57:43 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r141169eb1365 10/meta-aurora/conf/distro/aurora.conf: aurora: remove blacklist entries no longer needed and blacklist external toolchains Sep 23 13:57:43 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * rd4e653a229ab 10/meta-palm/recipes-core/initscripts/ (initscripts/palmpre/umountfs initscripts_1.0.bbappend): meta-palm: initscripts: add specific version of the umountfs script Sep 23 13:57:48 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r5eb540b71dd2 10/meta-samsung/conf/machine/crespo.conf: meta-samsung: crespo machine: prefer zImage as kernel image type Sep 23 13:58:03 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r6bdfd70828ab 10/aurora-daemon/src/ (Makefile.am cellularservice.cpp cellularservice.h): aurora-daemon: add first version of the cellular service implementation Sep 23 14:03:46 ^ hmm those commits from samsung crespo are for nexus S ? Sep 23 14:43:13 heyho Sep 23 14:43:15 GarthPS: ping Sep 23 14:44:21 morphis: ping :) Sep 23 14:44:47 JaMa: pong :) Sep 23 14:45:15 morphis, you are adding support for nexus S? Sep 23 14:45:19 hi btw :) Sep 23 14:45:21 morphis: did you read email about meta-aurora? Sep 23 14:45:21 pespin: yes Sep 23 14:45:38 JaMa: which one? Sep 23 14:46:07 morphis, nice, do you think the port will be easy? Sep 23 14:46:17 pespin: in general yes Sep 23 14:46:25 there is no technical reason that it should not Sep 23 14:46:47 JaMa: ah, got it Sep 23 14:47:45 JaMa: so you're going to our meeting in Essen? :) Sep 23 14:48:02 JaMa: in general there is no reason why we can't merge aurora and shr distro Sep 23 14:48:05 morphis: not sure yet Sep 23 14:48:10 JaMa: ok Sep 23 14:48:18 JaMa: from where are you? Sep 23 14:48:22 morphis: it seems easier for end users and devs too Sep 23 14:48:32 morphis: to have only one distro from OE view Sep 23 14:48:38 JaMa: ok, should we also merge meta-aurora into meta-shr? Sep 23 14:48:41 and multiple images for different proposes Sep 23 14:48:52 or keep meta-aurora and require meta-shr as dependency? Sep 23 14:48:58 morphis: it's up to you.. Sep 23 14:49:06 hm Sep 23 14:49:17 if you want recipes separate we can keep meta-aurora as layer for recipes and images Sep 23 14:49:23 hm Sep 23 14:49:27 pespin: it's one of our projects to design a case printable by a RepRap ;-) Sep 23 14:49:36 and meta-shr as "distro" layer for both SHR and aurora images Sep 23 14:50:04 pespin: and we have a plug for a bigger display as well. as well as you have another case you can change the display :-) Sep 23 14:50:08 JaMa: should be the option I think Sep 23 14:50:16 morphis: and I'm from Czech Republic Sep 23 14:50:21 JaMa: ah ok Sep 23 14:50:39 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r059eecdab26c 10/meta-aurora/recipes-aurora/aurora/ (4 files in 2 dirs): meta-aurora: import aurora-theme and aurora-systemmanager from oe-dev Sep 23 14:50:46 morphis: option for what? Sep 23 14:50:54 morphis: I meant to have only one OE distro Sep 23 14:51:12 and produce aurora-images as well as shr-full and shr-lite images Sep 23 14:51:25 yes, I tried to write "it would be the best option to keep meta-aurora but define meta-shr as requirement Sep 23 14:51:29 I would start building aurora-images with SHR distro on buildhost Sep 23 14:51:48 JaMa: we need also to talk with mickeyl about using the amethyst buildhost for SHR Sep 23 14:52:08 as it should be a lot faster to build with the amethyst than with the shr buildhost Sep 23 14:52:12 morphis: yup seen it in email Sep 23 14:52:24 but shr buildhost is fine now (not so many changes) Sep 23 14:52:25 but we need a response from mickeyl about it Sep 23 14:52:28 ok Sep 23 14:52:42 and I'm building there daily so it's not lagging much after repo Sep 23 14:52:46 JaMa: I will remove the aurora distro config Sep 23 14:53:06 ok, I'll add meta-aurora to shr-core bblayers.conf Sep 23 14:53:06 is sstate depending on the distro? Sep 23 14:53:10 ok Sep 23 14:53:17 and start image build :) Sep 23 14:53:41 great Sep 23 14:53:45 I fear that GarthPS will be sad when we'll revert his aurora support in shr-makefile :/ Sep 23 14:54:26 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * rc47e10e5d148 10/meta-aurora/conf/distro/aurora.conf: meta-aurora: remove aurora distro configuration; we will now use SHR as base distribution Sep 23 14:54:34 JaMa: thats life :) Sep 23 14:54:49 but it keeps workload for the future very small Sep 23 14:55:47 morphis: and yes sstate is depending on distro Sep 23 14:56:17 morphis: it would be compatible in this case imho, but I guess sstate checksums include distro so it won't be used anyways.. Sep 23 14:56:30 hm ok Sep 23 14:56:40 I will rebuild ... Sep 23 14:57:00 JaMa: btw. there is a qt4-embedded_4.7.3.bbappend in meta-oe Sep 23 14:57:10 JaMa: is there someway to revert it's changes? Sep 23 14:57:21 in meta-aurora Sep 23 14:58:13 imho only with another bbappend undoing it Sep 23 14:58:37 but cleaner would be to change qt4-embedded_4.7.3.bbappend that it would suit both sides Sep 23 14:58:57 morphis: or feel free to change it in meta-oe-contrib/shr for now Sep 23 14:59:08 ok Sep 23 14:59:20 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-makefile * rd1e69c1e7ccb 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Makefile: include meta-aurora layer directly to meta-shr and remove aurora as separate distro Sep 23 15:00:44 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07specs * r0d600d57652b 10/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Remove old MusicPlayer API definition Sep 23 15:01:03 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07gdbus * r05a7c4a13693 10libfso-glib/configure.ac: Bump version to catch up with fso-specs Sep 23 15:01:28 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * re9afc29ab35d 10/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): Adjust for latest changes to fso-specs and bump version Sep 23 15:01:29 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rf94e3a8b399b 10/src/Makefile.am: Skip namespaces when generating source files Sep 23 15:03:31 JaMa: shr uses initscripts-shr instead of initscripts, right? Sep 23 15:04:15 not anymore Sep 23 15:04:22 replaced by bbappend Sep 23 15:05:26 weird aurora-image build does only netbase and then rootfs Sep 23 15:06:37 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r7ea46388cf67 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: SHR: prefer tslib from git (from meta-aurora) Sep 23 15:08:16 morphis: imho you can also drop preferred-aurora-versions.inc and aurora-version Sep 23 15:10:24 morphis: and which machines should I start building on buildhost (for shr-core with aurora images)? Sep 23 15:10:35 morphis: sofar I'm doing only n900 and gta02 Sep 23 15:14:25 JaMa: morphis: nope.. it is not as If it is the seconde time i work an a makefile for building that is useless just few days after it is done... :) but it is for the best of us so life goes on! :) Sep 23 15:18:39 JaMa: morphis: ok guys so no no aurora distro anymore so aurora is just a seperate image. so now to build aurora we just do like for shr-image but aurora-image right ? is it already effective? I suppuse some changes are still on the way no ? so I can remove OE/aurora/ directory ? Sep 23 15:19:36 GarthPS: it's efective (buildhost is building aurora-image right now) Sep 23 15:19:52 JaMa: for which target ? Sep 23 15:19:56 GarthPS: and our update-conf changes in Makefile will update your bblayers.conf Sep 23 15:20:06 GarthPS: n900+gta02 (just for test) Sep 23 15:20:34 JaMa: hmm as for the moment morphis support only palm device with aurora.. Sep 23 15:20:37 but we need to import more recipes to image for it to be usefull (morphis is working on it) Sep 23 15:21:13 it was just to test that everything works Sep 23 15:26:37 JaMa: I can remove my OE/aurora/ directory ? Sep 23 15:30:44 GarthPS: yes if you don't have local modifications there which you would like to keep :) Sep 23 15:31:01 JaMa: ;) ok thx Sep 23 15:31:36 JaMa: do I need to clean something else in shr-core/ dir ? ar can I already build aurora-image ? Sep 23 15:33:14 GarthPS: make update; sync configs; and you can build image Sep 23 15:33:57 as empty as it is now http://jama.dyndns-home.com/org.openembedded.shr-core.images/nokia900/shr-aurora-image-20110923-nokia900-testlab/installed-package-sizes.txt Sep 23 15:34:12 hehe 3288KiB /nokia900/kernel-image-3.0.0_3.0.0+gitr1+9b528be7fd45d7db2f8091343f62bc9e67e0f804-r68_nokia900.ipk Sep 23 15:36:45 morphis: I will update this page accordingly http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Aurora/OpenEmbedded/HowToBuild Sep 23 15:47:40 Hi all Sep 23 16:14:30 JaMa: * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package locale-base-en-gb. => shr-image.bb' failed Sep 23 16:14:31 we can't uncomment GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8" in local.conf ? Sep 23 16:18:22 GarthPS: with shr as distro, right? Sep 23 16:18:36 I don have it without GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES in local.conf Sep 23 16:19:09 GarthPS: ok Sep 23 16:19:11 angelox|laptop: heyho Sep 23 16:19:20 GarthPS:OE nokia900@shr ~/shr-core $ ls tmp/deploy/ipk/armv7a-vfp-neon/locale-base-* | wc -l Sep 23 16:19:23 225 Sep 23 16:19:25 GarthPS: what do you have ^ Sep 23 16:22:20 JaMa: can I use the shr-makefile still without chroot? Sep 23 16:23:46 morphis: yes it should work Sep 23 16:23:52 ok Sep 23 16:24:04 JaMa: 1 Sep 23 16:24:44 JaMa: OE palmpre2@shr Sep 23 16:26:51 morphis: hey :) Sep 23 16:27:38 morphis: Launcher is almost finished,i just need make when user close some application,it returns to the launcher Sep 23 16:28:01 angelox|laptop: this we will do in the aurora-daemon in native code Sep 23 16:28:28 angelox|laptop: I am thinking about depending on a HOME key Sep 23 16:28:43 so the HOME key always takes the user back to the launcher/homescreen Sep 23 16:29:25 morphis: so ok Sep 23 16:29:31 angelox|laptop: furthermore I want to write a task switcher Sep 23 16:29:46 s/task switcher/application switcher/ Sep 23 16:29:47 morphis meant: angelox|laptop: furthermore I want to write a application switcher Sep 23 16:30:02 morphis: that will be really good Sep 23 16:30:07 which shows all the application and you can switch to one of them or close one Sep 23 16:30:15 yes Sep 23 16:30:21 I will do this in native code Sep 23 16:30:25 not in QML Sep 23 16:30:42 yes,it's hardly possible in QML (i think it is impossible) Sep 23 16:30:49 hm Sep 23 16:31:00 I don't know if we can embedded a qmlview into another qmlview Sep 23 16:32:01 hm, we can Sep 23 16:32:19 but don't ask me how the performance is then Sep 23 16:33:23 i see.. Sep 23 16:33:28 hey! Sep 23 16:33:36 hey! Sep 23 16:33:43 Slyon: Hi ! Sep 23 16:34:15 morphis: ok. So for finish settings app i need finish dbus agents Sep 23 16:34:20 any news of FSOSHRCON'11 except the stuff in the wiki? Sep 23 16:34:27 morphis: i'll take 2~3 three days for that i think :) Sep 23 16:34:31 angelox|laptop: yes, and for that we need to reimplement them Sep 23 16:34:35 Slyon: heyho Sep 23 16:34:41 Slyon: no, we need to decided on a date Sep 23 16:34:43 morphis, hey Sep 23 16:34:48 i see Sep 23 16:34:51 I already created a list of possible dates but need to add them to the wki Sep 23 16:35:00 morphis: then we are going to use aurora-daemon cpp one for 2011.12 release? Sep 23 16:35:01 Slyon: btw. how is life? Sep 23 16:35:09 angelox|laptop: yes Sep 23 16:35:12 GarthPS: which one and where do you set it? :) Sep 23 16:35:12 no python anymore Sep 23 16:35:21 morphis: ok. then i'll take more days :) Sep 23 16:35:30 morphis, everything allright. just came back from vacation this week Sep 23 16:35:31 angelox|laptop: but wait with the agents Sep 23 16:35:44 Slyon: great, so you will have more time now for working on FOSS :) Sep 23 16:36:19 morphis, yes i hope so. I'll leave somtimes for oktoberfest, though Sep 23 16:36:28 ah ok Sep 23 16:36:31 :D Sep 23 16:36:54 angelox|laptop: I am currently thinking about how we do the agents the best way Sep 23 16:36:57 morphis, did you see my changes to msmcomm and fsogsmd? Sep 23 16:37:04 JaMa: euu can you detail pls? I don't get it Sep 23 16:37:09 Slyon: for msmcomm yes Sep 23 16:37:11 basically you can send a sms via FSO Sep 23 16:37:18 Slyon: and I merged your sms stuff already into the master branch Sep 23 16:37:20 yeah! Sep 23 16:37:23 ah nice! Sep 23 16:37:39 morphis: i see.. Sep 23 16:37:44 I think you should put your stuff directly into the master branch Sep 23 16:37:58 GarthPS: which file do you have? Sep 23 16:37:59 angelox|laptop: but you should start to collect which things you need Sep 23 16:38:03 but there is a strange bug, which crashes fsogsmd if i throw no error at the end of the send_sms mediator Sep 23 16:38:27 Slyon: hm, will take a look later Sep 23 16:38:29 it's a vala bug? Sep 23 16:38:34 JaMa: currently I de-commented GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8" in local.conf . and when I build shr for my pre 2 shr-image.bb' failed with a * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package locale-base-en-gb telling me that the build did not like that I un commented glibc locales Sep 23 16:38:37 as I saw vala 0.14.0 is out Sep 23 16:38:41 so maybe we should switch Sep 23 16:38:50 GarthPS: GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES is to restrict which locales should be build Sep 23 16:38:56 GarthPS: by default it should build all Sep 23 16:39:07 morphis: like which functions i'll use? Sep 23 16:39:26 GarthPS: yes you need to keep en-gb in GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES too Sep 23 16:39:37 morphis, i don't know which sort of bug it is.. it says: 'GLib : g_variant_new_string: assertion `string != NULL' failed' Sep 23 16:39:49 and everything works fine if i thorw an error Sep 23 16:40:15 GarthPS: or rebuild eglibc-locales with GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES commented and you should get all locales built Sep 23 16:40:23 i didn't investigate a lot, yet Sep 23 16:40:34 Slyon: two points: Sep 23 16:40:58 JaMa: but as I want to speed up build a bit I wanted to limit locales Sep 23 16:41:00 1. the method expects "throws FreeSmartphone.GSM.Error, FreeSmartphone.Error" to be thrown inside which is not the case if you remove the exception Sep 23 16:41:16 GarthPS: meta/conf/distro/include/default-distrovars.inc:IMAGE_LINGUAS ?= "en-us en-gb" Sep 23 16:41:19 meta/conf/distro/include/tclibc-eglibc.inc: locale-base-en-gb " Sep 23 16:41:24 2. you should wrap the "yield channel.sms_service.send_message( smsc, arr );" inside a try-catch as it could throw a Msmcomm.Error Sep 23 16:41:27 GarthPS: then keep at least en-gb, en-us Sep 23 16:41:34 which isn't catched anyway Sep 23 16:41:40 GarthPS: or set IMAGE_LINGUAS Sep 23 16:41:59 Slyon: same for "yield channel.sms_service.message_read_template(...)" Sep 23 16:42:00 GarthPS: IMAGE_LINGUAS = " cs-cz en-us " Sep 23 16:42:01 GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "cs_CZ.UTF-8 en_US.UTF-8" Sep 23 16:42:21 morphis, 2.) yes i wanted to do this anyways. 1.) i *have to* thorw an error if it is declared? Sep 23 16:42:30 JaMa: ok thx . then wiki page need some update as it is explained taht we can speed up build with thta Sep 23 16:42:44 GarthPS: limiting IMAGE_LINGUAS is not enough Sep 23 16:42:50 Slyon: I don't know but I think this can be the problem Sep 23 16:42:52 GarthPS: just include en-gb too :) Sep 23 16:42:58 JaMa: ok and where is the best place to set this ? Sep 23 16:42:59 Slyon: I will merge your stuff into the master branch Sep 23 16:43:03 GarthPS: local.conf Sep 23 16:43:10 GarthPS: I'll update example Sep 23 16:43:10 morphis, ok Sep 23 16:43:14 in local.conf Sep 23 16:43:23 JaMa: for the IMAGE_LINGUAS override too ? Sep 23 16:43:24 i'm going to update my host to master then Sep 23 16:43:27 angelox|laptop: can you do a list of things you need for the settings app from the agents? Sep 23 16:43:35 paulk: heyho Sep 23 16:43:43 paulk: I need your help Sep 23 16:43:46 hi morphis! Sep 23 16:43:48 ok Sep 23 16:44:00 * paulk listens Sep 23 16:44:01 paulk: you still have the serial console setup on your nexus s? Sep 23 16:44:08 yep Sep 23 16:44:09 morphis: surely...give me ten minutes please Sep 23 16:44:10 GarthPS: y Sep 23 16:44:17 angelox|laptop: no problem Sep 23 16:44:28 angelox|laptop: I don't need it today but maybe this weekend Sep 23 16:44:29 want me to try to get a shell on it? Sep 23 16:44:52 no Sep 23 16:45:06 I want you to boot a fastboot image and give me the kernel/rootfs output Sep 23 16:45:15 ok Sep 23 16:45:30 JaMa: ok thx you agin for explainations Sep 23 16:45:40 morphis: just upload the images somewhere Sep 23 16:45:45 and tell me how to setup rootfs Sep 23 16:46:12 ok Sep 23 16:46:14 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r1c2fccc194d9 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/ (channel.vala mediators_sms.vala sms.vala): Sep 23 16:46:14 freesmartphone.org: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/palmpre/sms-support' Sep 23 16:46:14 freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: Sep 23 16:46:14 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/channel.vala Sep 23 16:46:27 paulk: it's just a kernel + rootfs in the fastboot image which you can boot with "fastboot boot ..." Sep 23 16:46:33 ah I see Sep 23 16:46:36 paulk: you are here tomorrow? Sep 23 16:46:43 somehow Sep 23 16:46:49 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-makefile * r6fa10c3c1925 10/conf/ (local.conf shr-core/local.conf): local.conf: update GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES/IMAGE_LINGUAS example Sep 23 16:46:49 I'll be reinstalling my main computer Sep 23 16:46:58 ok Sep 23 16:47:08 so I'll be here on IRC with my laptop but don't expect me to work on code or build anything Sep 23 16:47:30 angelox|laptop: we should create a agent/service per fso subsystem Sep 23 16:47:55 morphis: that would organize more the stuff Sep 23 16:48:15 angelox|laptop: yes Sep 23 16:48:27 angelox|laptop: I am currently creating the cellularservice Sep 23 16:48:38 morphis: then i'll study c++ and dbus integration Sep 23 16:48:43 it will map the gsm/sim/network functionality to qml Sep 23 16:48:45 angelox|laptop: ok Sep 23 16:48:48 morphis: i saw your commit Sep 23 16:48:58 angelox|laptop: I think we should then create a deviceservice class Sep 23 16:49:05 for brightness control e.g. Sep 23 16:49:13 yes,of course Sep 23 16:49:15 angelox|laptop: if you like you can start with it Sep 23 16:49:32 i'll just wait you push firstly so i can take an idea Sep 23 16:49:46 s/firstly/cellularservice/ Sep 23 16:49:46 angelox|laptop meant: i'll just wait you push cellularservice so i can take an idea Sep 23 16:50:49 Or better,i'll start the skeleton Sep 23 16:51:46 yes Sep 23 16:51:49 so we can move on Sep 23 16:52:20 as the migration of aurora to oe-core is mostly done I just need to build qt4 and the aurora-daemon itself here Sep 23 16:52:27 and then push the relevant bits Sep 23 16:52:49 then we're mostly back to the state of 2011.08 Sep 23 16:52:57 hmm ok. just a question,where is the aurora layer? Sep 23 16:56:18 morphis, i don't need msmrpc, right? Sep 23 16:57:49 Slyon: yes Sep 23 16:57:55 Slyon: for palmpre you don't need it Sep 23 16:58:05 morphis, ok. thank you Sep 23 16:58:06 Slyon: only if you want to do something for pre3/veer Sep 23 16:58:16 Slyon: for palmpre you just need libmsmhll Sep 23 16:58:39 yup. i guess my msm-part is up-to-date now :) Sep 23 17:02:51 ok Sep 23 17:03:06 Slyon: so you will work on more sms features now? Sep 23 17:03:58 morphis, yes i'll fix sending sms first and integrate receive_sms into fso Sep 23 17:04:31 great Sep 23 17:04:50 mrmoku, I'm still on an old EFL revision and my n900 doesn't detect my SIM card :( Sep 23 17:06:09 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r5eb540b71dd2 10/meta-samsung/conf/machine/crespo.conf: meta-samsung: crespo machine: prefer zImage as kernel image type Sep 23 17:06:10 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * rbabb11dba20c 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/msmcomm.inc: msmcomm: bump SRCREV to latest version Sep 23 17:06:10 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r3b49c3895803 10/meta-aurora/recipes-aurora/images/aurora-image.bb: meta-aurora: aurora-image: include fso2-compliance task Sep 23 17:06:11 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r141169eb1365 10/meta-aurora/conf/distro/aurora.conf: aurora: remove blacklist entries no longer needed and blacklist external toolchains Sep 23 17:06:11 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * rc47e10e5d148 10/meta-aurora/conf/distro/aurora.conf: meta-aurora: remove aurora distro configuration; we will now use SHR as base distribution Sep 23 17:06:11 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r059eecdab26c 10/meta-aurora/recipes-aurora/aurora/ (4 files in 2 dirs): meta-aurora: import aurora-theme and aurora-systemmanager from oe-dev Sep 23 17:06:11 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r7ea46388cf67 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: SHR: prefer tslib from git (from meta-aurora) Sep 23 17:06:12 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r3532e9b798c1 10/meta-nokia/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-nokia900-meego/defconfig: linux-nokia900-meego: update defconfig Sep 23 17:06:24 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rcf28773bb565 10/meta-nokia/recipes-bsp/uboot/ (24 files in 2 dirs): u-boot: upgrade to 2011.09-rc2 and try to use bootmenu Sep 23 17:06:24 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r2f5411ef8633 10/meta-nokia/recipes-kernel/linux/ (linux-nokia900-meego/defconfig linux-nokia900-meego_git.bb): linux-nokia900-meego: switch to n9xx-v3.0-wip-rx51-camera branch Sep 23 17:06:24 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r39db45f5070c 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/tasks/task-shr-minimal.bb: task-shr-minimal: drop libphone-ui and libphone-ui-shr as they should be pulled by shr apps Sep 23 17:06:24 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r441e39a3aa2a 10/meta-aurora/recipes-aurora/images/aurora-image.bb: meta-aurora: aurora-image: turn on debug features as default for now Sep 23 17:06:25 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r1c171a2f63ff 10/meta-aurora/recipes-core/tasks/task-base.bbappend: meta-aurora: task-base: port over fix from meta-shr to exclude gsmd and it's dependencies Sep 23 17:06:43 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * rd4e653a229ab 10/meta-palm/recipes-core/initscripts/ (initscripts/palmpre/umountfs initscripts_1.0.bbappend): meta-palm: initscripts: add specific version of the umountfs script Sep 23 17:06:59 wow Sep 23 17:08:08 ah. crespo=nexus S Sep 23 17:09:44 playya_: yes Sep 23 17:10:14 new target? Sep 23 17:10:35 mickeyl, i didn't receive your mail, yet Sep 23 17:12:47 leviathan: probably i misunderstood the page. But to mee it seemed like the whole idea is to avoid "contaminating" the CPU with transferring firmware to the device and using a dedicated uC for that. No more, no less. Sep 23 17:14:41 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * ree4e0092061a 10/ (7 files in 7 dirs): meta-shr, meta-aurora: drop files no longer needed Sep 23 17:14:49 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * ra5ec42a02fd4 10/ (meta-aurora/README meta-fso/README meta-shr/README): meta-aurora,meta-shr,meta-fso: update README Sep 23 17:18:09 playya_: yes Sep 23 17:34:39 what do i need to rebuild for those locales ? Sep 23 17:45:57 mickeyl: heyho Sep 23 19:10:21 hi Sep 23 19:10:23 hi DocScrutinizer51 Sep 23 19:19:41 back Sep 23 19:32:57 playya_: but battery works again? Sep 23 19:33:57 PaulFertser: I think the idea is to fullfill FSF's requirements to embrace the gta04 as free softwarewise Sep 23 19:35:35 mrmoku: hm, that would make some sense. But as much as i respect RMS, i still see no sense (and some harm, that being unable to easily change the said firmware) in that proposal. Sep 23 19:37:15 freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07aurora * r44884b92610a 10/aurora-daemon/src/ (Makefile.am deviceservice.cpp deviceservice.h): aurora-daemon: add first version of the device service implementation Sep 23 19:45:11 PaulFertser: I fully agree Sep 23 20:07:02 PaulFertser: I explined RMS's point of view trough mail Sep 23 20:08:23 I don't agree tough Sep 23 20:09:11 basically his point is that the phones are old too fast to make a difference: if you free the firmware,when you do the phone is outdated Sep 23 20:09:50 I disagree and think about osmcombb and the om-gta02, maybe I should respond to him about that Sep 23 20:12:32 (my mail is on om-gta04 ml and I'll look if there is a response right now...) Sep 23 20:14:25 mickeyl, ping Sep 23 20:20:32 JaMa: sorry, desperately trying to catch up with backlog... Sep 23 20:22:11 I think you posted a command using cp -ar... but maybe I got mixed up and it was actually someone else :-) Sep 23 20:25:42 "moin" is Plattdeutsch and while I haven't checked the literal meaning, it's used as "hi". in some other regions of Germany there are similar forms with a different meaning ("moins" or "moinsen"), but IIRC nobody knows where they come from -- probably a confusion between "moin" and a dialectic pronounciation of "morgen"... Sep 23 20:27:21 to confuse matters even more, in *some* regions of northern Germany "moin moin" (with the second "moin" derived from a different word) is used for "good morning"... :-) Sep 23 20:29:13 freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07aurora * r556edd7b93e7 10/aurora-daemon/src/ (deviceservice.cpp deviceservice.h): aurora-daemon: fix device service class definition; include variables in function declarations Sep 23 20:35:02 gnutoo: regarding talking to people who are not there, I think it would help a *lot* if you used an IRC proxy or screen session... Sep 23 20:36:52 ok Sep 23 20:37:25 but then what's the advangtage over mail? Sep 23 21:07:43 I think I chose the wrong time to get (back) into playing around with openembedded and such since aurora seemed to be in flux with the conversion to oe-core just as I decided to get a working build Sep 23 21:09:14 it sounded like things are basically close to being back to a good working state from (after reading the backlog, based on what morphis said) Sep 23 21:13:15 gnutoo: hi Sep 23 21:13:28 gnutoo: are you the person behind replicant? Sep 23 21:20:04 onen|openBmap: hi Sep 23 21:20:32 onen|openBmap: currently less than before, because nowadays paulk does most of the work Sep 23 21:21:03 basically we are switching to the nexus S and I've no nexus S yet Sep 23 21:21:11 gnutoo: I see. I just wanted to point you this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/sep/19/android-free-software-stallman Sep 23 21:21:34 gnutoo: RMS mentions (twice IIRC) the replicant project :-) Sep 23 21:21:48 I know that article....I helped RMS to write it, he wrote it and I explained everything he needed to write that Sep 23 21:22:22 basically I explained everything about embedded devices, what's flashing etc... Sep 23 21:22:24 gnutoo: I see Sep 23 21:22:44 because he knew what installing was but not flashing for instance Sep 23 21:22:50 gnutoo: ok. so sorry for disturbing ;-) Sep 23 21:22:55 hey, do you guys know about this phone: http://www.gizmoforyou.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Sep 23 21:23:00 gnutoo: paulk: do you know much about icedrobot? Sep 23 21:23:04 FLOW G1 & G1.5 Sep 23 21:23:08 npno problem.... Sep 23 21:23:17 lindi-: mhh never heard of it Sep 23 21:23:23 huh? really? Sep 23 21:23:46 paulk, yes it's even referenced on replicant website .... Sep 23 21:23:51 gnutoo: paulk: http://www.icedrobot.de/downloads/fosdem11/icedrobot-fosdem-2011-02-05.pdf Sep 23 21:23:52 lindi-: rms told me about it.... Sep 23 21:24:12 gnutoo: I know, but I got a comment on replicant website telling that our infos it's outdated Sep 23 21:24:23 now it sells with android preinstalled and the hardware is already in one piece Sep 23 21:24:34 ok Sep 23 21:24:40 nice!!!! Sep 23 21:24:40 I asked if the source of the shipped android is free Sep 23 21:24:46 let's update the website.... Sep 23 21:24:50 they said yes, it's all free Sep 23 21:24:58 bootloader seems to be u-boot too Sep 23 21:25:02 modem speaks AT Sep 23 21:25:10 SOC? Sep 23 21:25:20 seems OMAP Sep 23 21:25:26 wow!!!!! Sep 23 21:25:35 why are they doing gta04 then? Sep 23 21:27:08 but I haven't checked myself, the people just told me the source that is released is exactly what they use to make the android version shipped with it Sep 23 21:28:10 ok Sep 23 21:28:24 but it seems indeed quite awesome! Sep 23 21:28:34 I'll look right after finishing reading icedrobot presentation Sep 23 21:33:07 paulk: so the flows are not sold in kit anymore? Sep 23 21:33:30 and what's the price? Sep 23 21:33:45 the message said "Please be informed that the current version is no longer in need of assembly and comes with Android 2.2 pre-installed." Sep 23 21:33:56 ok Sep 23 21:33:56 see http://www.gizmoforyou.net/ Sep 23 21:34:10 about the price… Sep 23 21:34:14 like $500 Sep 23 21:34:37 ok Sep 23 21:35:06 at least Sep 23 21:35:53 there is an "overoé plateform to choose that contain the OMAP soc Sep 23 21:35:58 "overo" Sep 23 21:36:07 and another one for the radio Sep 23 21:36:13 total seems more around $1000 Sep 23 21:36:32 pau it costs about 1000E Sep 23 21:37:24 yes Sep 23 21:37:29 http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/en/shop/gizmos/flow-g1-5.html Sep 23 21:37:34 sorry for the lag.... Sep 23 21:37:53 at least 860€ Sep 23 21:38:03 it make sit a very expensive phone! Sep 23 21:38:07 makes it* Sep 23 21:38:44 yes altough....when you spend thousands of euros looking for THE phone..... Sep 23 21:38:54 and if that is the one..... Sep 23 21:39:05 maybe you save money at the end Sep 23 21:39:27 like you buy an htcdream ->failure Sep 23 21:39:37 then you buy an n900 -> partial failure Sep 23 21:39:39 etc... Sep 23 21:39:53 altough I got some pohnes for free Sep 23 21:39:57 *phones Sep 23 21:40:41 hi morphis Sep 23 21:41:08 yeah but I mean that it's unlikely that someone that just wants a phone to do usual stuff will spend 1000$ just to have 100% free one Sep 23 21:41:33 plus I bet GSM firmware is probably non-free Sep 23 21:41:36 same for wifi, etc Sep 23 21:42:15 yes Sep 23 21:42:36 plus you are not sure that it will really be THE one Sep 23 21:42:47 for instance gps is attached to the modem Sep 23 21:42:53 but you can choose without gps Sep 23 21:43:08 yeah it can be bad on the hardware side too Sep 23 21:44:26 yes and I wonder abuot the hardware quality too Sep 23 21:44:30 is it good enough? Sep 23 21:44:37 maybe Sep 23 21:44:40 or maybe not Sep 23 21:45:22 also, beeing at 1000E means that you're almost alone on it Sep 23 21:45:31 if you can find the money .... Sep 23 21:45:48 it's unlikely that everyone would buy it... Sep 23 21:46:21 yeah right Sep 23 21:47:17 or at the best case you get it for free, develop for it and no one uses it because of the price... Sep 23 21:48:32 in the past I thought about the TI omapzoom but it lacked a modem... Sep 23 21:48:54 ok Sep 23 21:49:00 it's great and supported by angstrom, however the price is very high too Sep 23 21:49:04 hence the same issues Sep 23 21:49:23 I see Sep 23 21:49:37 apparently, there are non-free firmwares for this device to work Sep 23 21:49:41 not to count the fact that getting a modem for is very hard Sep 23 21:49:48 what device? Sep 23 21:49:51 the omap zoom? Sep 23 21:50:01 Flow G1.55 Sep 23 21:50:08 well it depends Sep 23 21:50:16 if you take the overo fire.... Sep 23 21:50:21 you surely have firmwares Sep 23 21:50:32 you will have the libertas firmwares Sep 23 21:50:41 for wifi and bluetoth Sep 23 21:50:53 if you take the earth....you lack wifi Sep 23 21:51:34 also, I guess they don't lack 3D acceleration Sep 23 21:51:42 not a problem Sep 23 21:51:47 omap is good enough Sep 23 21:52:00 gnutoo: hello Sep 23 21:52:03 you even have XV acceleration with xf86-video-omapfb Sep 23 21:52:05 hi nschle85 Sep 23 21:52:07 I mean, they certainly include the libs for 3D, so maybe for other stuff too Sep 23 21:52:14 nschle85: your udev bug was fixed by jake42 Sep 23 21:52:15 oops Sep 23 21:52:23 gnutoo: ill leave shr now Sep 23 21:52:27 s/ jake42 / JaMa Sep 23 21:52:33 ah? Sep 23 21:52:35 too bad Sep 23 21:52:44 today i bought an Iphone Sep 23 21:52:54 is it a joke? Sep 23 21:52:59 yes :-) Sep 23 21:53:03 lol Sep 23 21:53:11 i bought an apple tv :-) Sep 23 21:53:40 installed xmbc on it (apt-get install xbmc) Sep 23 21:54:10 nschle85: anyway, if you want to talk about shr issues you're welcome to do it without the apple trick Sep 23 21:54:15 gnutoo: because beagle board is not deliverable Sep 23 21:54:35 gnutoo: no, i wanted to say hello Sep 23 21:54:40 ah ok Sep 23 21:54:56 because we have issues we must face, so if you have ideas.... Sep 23 21:55:30 face ? my english too bad, was are you talking about ? Sep 23 21:56:09 basically we lacks devellopers and have too much bugs(in my opinion) Sep 23 21:56:21 and a lot of phones are not finished Sep 23 21:56:44 result: no devs uses the devices as a phone.... Sep 23 21:57:05 I want to use gta02 as a phone again so .... Sep 23 21:57:49 I am fixing the bugs I need to be fixed or bugreporting/asking other people to fix the ones I can't fix Sep 23 21:58:13 and I need a new battery also..... Sep 23 21:58:20 I'll buy a nokia battery Sep 23 21:58:28 it's supported out of the box.... Sep 23 21:58:32 at least in SHR Sep 23 21:58:53 btw I even tried qtmoko or other distros and I prefer SHR Sep 23 21:59:12 qtmoko is better integrated but lacks certain apps Sep 23 21:59:18 ah really, nokia batteries do work on SHR now? Sep 23 21:59:34 I didn't succeed at using the music player well in qtmoko... Sep 23 21:59:43 paulk: yes Sep 23 21:59:57 is it a recent improvement? Sep 23 21:59:57 basically the driver name is platform battery Sep 23 22:00:07 and it's =y Sep 23 22:00:17 along with the other driver(bq27xx) Sep 23 22:00:32 so it get selected automatically by the kenrel.... Sep 23 22:00:36 somehow.... Sep 23 22:00:43 ok, so it's in recentkernels Sep 23 22:00:47 yes Sep 23 22:00:51 it's great Sep 23 22:00:52 gnutoo: i have a brand new battery for gta02 Sep 23 22:01:01 ok Sep 23 22:01:48 gnutoo: in short: i under stand what you said and i 100% agree Sep 23 22:01:52 I'll look for the nokia battery tomorrow at the local shop Sep 23 22:02:10 then once om-gta02 works maybe I'll help on n900 Sep 23 22:02:41 first thing I want to do on n900: fix the battery charging so it works faster when charging on the wall charger... Sep 23 22:02:49 mhh when I try to download the script to checkout the repos for flow g 1.55 I get "Not Authorised!" Sep 23 22:02:55 then there is the audio quality during sound calls Sep 23 22:03:03 seems like not a lot of people are involved in it on the community-side Sep 23 22:03:05 then sms Sep 23 22:03:08 ok Sep 23 22:03:31 3g also should work but I don't know why it fails for me in france... Sep 23 22:04:11 I also want bluetooth on om-gta02 Sep 23 22:04:16 gnutoo: the problem i have is the following: i have a problen... looking around for a solution and someone else has it fixed on its private branch.... Sep 23 22:04:40 yes maybe we need to document each fix.... Sep 23 22:04:56 private branch means something like: Sep 23 22:05:48 I'm falling asleep (had to be up late yesterday because of Maths stuff I had to achieve…) so I'm leaving, bye Sep 23 22:05:49 vim recipe.bb;BITBAKE -C CLEANSSTATE FOO-TASK foo; bitbake shr-lite-image ? Sep 23 22:06:02 with the -c cleansstate that you need to do to get the fix Sep 23 22:06:03 gnutoo: i wont to get in trouble with JaMa: but often he knows whats wrong but the fix needs several days to come into repository Sep 23 22:06:15 ahhh Sep 23 22:06:22 nschle85: that's not JaMa Sep 23 22:06:29 it's because the build host is slow Sep 23 22:06:38 it was one of my ideas: Sep 23 22:06:43 get a faster build host Sep 23 22:06:47 so we find bugs faster Sep 23 22:06:55 tuxbrain may help with that Sep 23 22:07:10 gnutoo: i have also a dedicated server Sep 23 22:07:15 ok Sep 23 22:07:20 its consuming money Sep 23 22:07:35 then tell everyone abuot it Sep 23 22:07:45 and give access to the ones that needs it Sep 23 22:07:58 (hoping that doesn't consume more money ) Sep 23 22:08:29 I'm not involved into the building the official images thing... Sep 23 22:08:34 but JaMa is Sep 23 22:08:50 gnutoo: the problem is, that i am not a administrator, so who will get access there must be like a family member :-) Sep 23 22:09:24 ah ok Sep 23 22:09:34 gnutoo: i store there some private things so i wont to give anybody access Sep 23 22:09:47 maybe adopt JaMa then.... Sep 23 22:09:52 ok Sep 23 22:10:03 gnutoo: i would if i could :-) Sep 23 22:10:11 lol Sep 23 22:10:53 angelox|laptop: thank you for your mail :-) Sep 23 22:11:25 nschle85: :) it was short because i wrote it on the phone.. sorry :) Sep 23 22:11:27 gnutoo: the next i dont understand is the progress: Sep 23 22:11:58 angelox|laptop: but it contained all the information which maked me happy :-) Sep 23 22:12:37 years ago openmoko image worked: making calls, send sms and screen rotation worked Sep 23 22:13:06 making calls now re-work Sep 23 22:13:09 gnutoo: and now ? we have calls, sms and no screen rotation on gta02 Sep 23 22:13:09 sms works Sep 23 22:13:13 rotation still work Sep 23 22:13:25 I tried rotation today Sep 23 22:13:28 it worked Sep 23 22:13:56 I fixed calls Sep 23 22:13:57 gnutoo: really automatically ? detected on phone location ? Sep 23 22:14:10 automatically? Sep 23 22:14:15 xrandr -o 1 Sep 23 22:14:37 I don't know how to make it automatically but I suspect that there are various ways: Sep 23 22:14:43 *fso config Sep 23 22:14:47 *a separate app Sep 23 22:14:53 gnutoo: the originally openmoko image rotated the scree when i rotated the phone Sep 23 22:15:04 yes but that consume a lot Sep 23 22:15:11 in term of CPU Sep 23 22:15:19 so it's disabled by defualt Sep 23 22:15:30 let me try to enable it Sep 23 22:16:00 gnutoo: and what kind of additionally features do we now have ? Sep 23 22:16:42 speed? Sep 23 22:16:52 gnutoo: ok thats true Sep 23 22:17:09 but the lost of features is due to the lack of manpower.... Sep 23 22:17:15 gnutoo: but at the moment we made one step forward and 2 steps backward Sep 23 22:17:56 yes I know..... Sep 23 22:18:08 we have a hard time to keep-up with moving stuff Sep 23 22:18:11 gnutoo: and i cannot explain why Sep 23 22:18:12 manpower.... Sep 23 22:18:26 I can Sep 23 22:19:15 gnutoo: jama separated the sources from main oe, because he always wanted a stable system, but that also not works Sep 23 22:19:55 gnutoo: manpower is always a problem; but the fact that people invest lots of effort in side issues (peformance) while breaking essential features along the way and providing no usability improvements screams wrong priorities IMHO... Sep 23 22:20:04 basically thinkgs change Sep 23 22:20:11 like Xorg or openembedded Sep 23 22:20:15 we have to keep up Sep 23 22:21:36 gnutoo: i cannot much support in development, i can only cry: xxxxx is not working, does it help ? Sep 23 22:22:20 gnutoo: which bug did jama fix in udev ? Sep 23 22:23:24 and someand so we loose stuff while keeping up Sep 23 22:23:35 because we don't have enough manpower Sep 23 22:23:44 nschle85: yes it helps a lot!!!! Sep 23 22:24:08 most of the devs don't really use the devices as main phone Sep 23 22:24:26 so how can they know what's wrong.... Sep 23 22:25:33 antrik: hmm do you know an app for automatic rotation? Sep 23 22:25:52 gnutoo: i mostly create a ticket if chatting here does not help, but almost it are reports about unbuildable image... but why the developers does not imagine such kind of problems ? Sep 23 22:26:24 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&version=SHR-core&col=id&col=summary&col=version&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=reporter&order=priority Sep 23 22:27:01 gnutoo: please do not spend much time in screen rotation: it was only an example in bad progress Sep 23 22:27:08 for Sep 23 22:27:23 I just wanted to point you to a rotation app Sep 23 22:27:27 like 2 min thing Sep 23 22:27:37 gnutoo: nope. there used to be a few on the external packages page, but that doesn't even exist anymore I think... and I never understood why it wasn't part of the standard installation (even if disabled by default) Sep 23 22:27:47 I looked in the accelerometer fso plugin and it only gives orientation Sep 23 22:27:51 it doesn't rotate... Sep 23 22:28:10 what was the fastest one? Sep 23 22:29:29 OMNewRotate Sep 23 22:29:40 maybe we need to import it in shr-core.... Sep 23 22:29:47 gnutoo: I think the problem is not really too little manpower, but rather the fact that over the past few years, the core developers put all their effort into porting to other devices, which are more dead than the FreeRunner now... Sep 23 22:30:24 hmmm Sep 23 22:30:53 basically there was a mail sent by mickel to the core developers Sep 23 22:31:00 that ask for ideas... Sep 23 22:31:17 or on where to go next Sep 23 22:34:07 I can make a fast recipe if you want Sep 23 22:34:19 gnutoo: i think we should meet all (core) developers of shr in winter, drinking beer, and go skiing and talk about how we can optimize the process Sep 23 22:35:46 gnutoo: BTW, I very much appreciate your struggle to get the FreeRunner useful again... it gives my some hope that if I invest effort into it myself, it won't be wasted... Sep 23 22:37:11 gnutoo: receipe for OMNewRotate? yeah, I think that would be a good start... Sep 23 22:37:23 antrik: gnutoo: if gnutoo fixed screen rotation on gta02 i think it will also work on n900 so the benefit is very high Sep 23 22:37:50 nschle85: nah, N900 has a driver problem in that regard Sep 23 22:38:01 nschle85: that's planed Sep 23 22:38:02 on FreeRunner it's just a missing application to auto-apply the rotation Sep 23 22:38:27 nschle85: no Sep 23 22:38:28 antrik: which driver has ha problem ? Sep 23 22:38:34 it won't fix n900 Sep 23 22:38:51 n900 require xrandr -o 1 driver..... Sep 23 22:39:15 altough dos1 started to look at it and found how to statically rotate n900 Sep 23 22:39:28 altough he didn't get furthurer Sep 23 22:39:53 driver means xf86-video-omapfb Sep 23 22:40:02 altough many people are using it: Sep 23 22:40:13 *buglabs with their bug 2.0 Sep 23 22:40:21 *gta04 will have an omap Sep 23 22:40:35 so maybe it will be fixed by gta04 people Sep 23 22:41:10 gnutoo: but until rotation works on n900 we should fix the layout, because some buttons are cut on bottom border aso. Sep 23 22:42:26 gnutoo: what do you think about shr developer meeting ? Sep 23 22:42:46 gnutoo: only for nowing each other ? Sep 23 22:43:08 knowing Sep 23 22:44:09 nschle85: there has been talk of doing one all the time since I'm in this channel, which is almost a year now... Sep 23 22:44:31 basically, everyone agrees that it would be important to do one, but so far nobody took the initiative to actually organise it... Sep 23 22:45:03 antrik: the first question is: where Sep 23 22:45:56 antrik: because it make no sence to organize it in Tallin, where i can live in winter free of charge :-) Sep 23 22:47:16 antrik: JaMa: lives in szech republic its good for dos1|N900: but gnutoo: lives somehwere in france... Sep 23 22:47:19 -a Accelerometer path, by default '/dev/input/event3' Sep 23 22:47:31 it uses accelerometers directly... Sep 23 22:47:45 maybe we could make an fso plugin instead Sep 23 22:47:58 but I'll look at more core stuf before Sep 23 22:48:26 gnutoo: the next problem i have is FSO Sep 23 22:48:51 nschle85: Germany. don't remember what the latest proposal was exactly, but definitely Germany Sep 23 22:49:15 * angelox|laptop is thinking in Brazil :) Sep 23 22:49:43 gnutoo: yes, it's definitely something that should be handled by the framework long-term... but having at least the standalone application available easily would be a start Sep 23 22:49:44 angelox|laptop: i ll catch you from the airport :-) Sep 23 22:50:40 gnutoo: stuff.. integrated in fso is not available for the rest linux world Sep 23 22:51:16 nschle85: :) anyway,it's a bad idea go to Brazil..stuff are really expensive (n900 battery costs about USD 80 (fake one)) Sep 23 22:51:19 antrik: germany is ok for me, but i am not the middle of the world Sep 23 22:51:57 angelox|laptop: i think you have to book a flight to europe :-) Sep 23 22:52:33 nschle85: eh? FSO can be used on any GNU/Linux distribution; Debian actually has packages for it... Sep 23 22:52:35 I'll go bye Sep 23 22:52:41 gnutoo: good night Sep 23 22:52:44 angelox|laptop: but why not collect some money for developers coming far away ? Sep 23 22:52:52 (though some Debian people seem to be toying with ofono now...) Sep 23 22:53:13 nschle85: i'm not able to travel anywhere,i can't test my english with anyone,so i have no idea if i can talk in english and people understand.. Sep 23 22:53:36 basically it's harder than usual english Sep 23 22:54:04 since people would have french,english,german,spanish accent Sep 23 22:54:06 etc... Sep 23 22:54:25 I'll go to sleep Sep 23 22:54:25 bye Sep 23 22:54:30 yes,and i have no defined accent (i mix them) :( Sep 23 22:54:30 nschle85: AFAIK traval between Brazil and Europe is very expensive, in the four-figure $ range... no chance for sponsoring without some big organisation behind it Sep 23 22:54:53 gnutoo: actually, I find it easier to talk to non-native speakers Sep 23 22:55:30 antrik: i would spend 50€ :-) Sep 23 22:55:34 (except Dutch... I really have troubles understanding them when they have a heavy accent ;-) ) Sep 23 22:56:19 gnutoo: night Sep 23 22:57:40 travel from Brazil->Berlin US$ 1.332 minimal without hotel and for 4 days Sep 23 22:58:04 angelox|laptop: ups Sep 23 22:58:32 now you know another reason i can't travel :) Sep 23 22:59:05 angelox|laptop: other than money ? Sep 23 23:00:09 money,english and how to say Hi in Detusch :) Sep 23 23:00:32 German* Sep 23 23:00:33 angelox|laptop: how far is salvador from you ? Sep 23 23:00:58 angelox|laptop: "hi" is fine ;-) Sep 23 23:01:13 angelox|laptop: everybody here speaks english Sep 23 23:01:49 angelox|laptop: your english is well Sep 23 23:02:03 nschle85: you never listen my english :( Sep 23 23:02:09 nschle85: in KM? 1979 Sep 23 23:02:58 angelox|laptop: so give me please a bigger airport near you Sep 23 23:04:24 nschle85: you're travelling to here? Sep 23 23:05:05 angelox|laptop: i am looking for cheaper flights Sep 23 23:06:25 nschle85: from São Paulo to Salvador you'll pay about R$ 185..sth like USD 98 Sep 23 23:06:41 ops,Salvador to São paulo :) Sep 23 23:07:35 a flight from salvador to frankfurt costs 336€ Sep 23 23:14:51 i see Sep 23 23:16:00 meeting with devs is expensive :) Sep 23 23:16:47 angelox|laptop: i know Sep 23 23:17:00 angelox|laptop: most of us are from europe Sep 23 23:17:30 brazil is far away for us Sep 23 23:18:18 and your football team was often blaming us :-) Sep 23 23:20:47 angelox|laptop: i think we should talk about money if we know where and when we'll weet Sep 23 23:25:50 nschle85: i don't know football :) i prefer talking about geek stuff :) Sep 23 23:26:23 nschle85: at least i can get russian citizenship :) Sep 23 23:26:33 then i'll live at Russia :) Sep 23 23:26:58 angelox|laptop: and what about formula 1 ? (Massa ?) Sep 23 23:27:41 nschle85: that is very better,but i rarely watches to it :) Sep 23 23:28:29 angelox|laptop: i know, a german is dominating it :-) Sep 23 23:29:06 angelox|laptop: a flight from here to moscow is very cheap :-) Sep 23 23:29:50 nschle85: seems to be,but i'm in the other side of world from there :) Sep 23 23:30:36 if you are a russian, you could move to kaliningrad :-) Sep 23 23:30:51 then you are not far away from dos1 Sep 23 23:31:14 and every summer i am near it Sep 23 23:31:43 i'm not russian,but my grandfather is... Sep 23 23:32:36 angelox|laptop: i can see onmap brazil is very big Sep 23 23:32:40 on map Sep 23 23:33:24 Germany too Sep 23 23:40:00 angelox|laptop: no its maximun 1000km from border to border Sep 23 23:41:01 nschle85: then the map i got was wrong :) Sep 23 23:41:08 its cound about 8-9 hours by car Sep 23 23:41:16 round Sep 23 23:42:11 i see Sep 23 23:42:16 from nuch to berlin (600km) i need 5 hours Sep 23 23:42:20 * angelox|laptop will buy a helicopter to travel :) Sep 23 23:43:22 angelox|laptop: can you fly it ? Sep 23 23:44:23 and does it contain enough fuel ? Sep 23 23:44:30 :) Sep 23 23:44:52 i never tried to pilot one Sep 23 23:44:58 angelox|laptop: ill go to bed here we have 01:43 am Sep 23 23:45:01 can you lend one to me try? :) Sep 23 23:45:08 nschle85: ok then,good night :) Sep 23 23:45:39 angelox|laptop: a collegue has a helicopter model :-) Sep 23 23:46:13 angelox|laptop: which time do you have ? Sep 23 23:46:32 not sure,my PC's clock is wrong :) Sep 23 23:46:53 angelox|laptop: ! Sep 23 23:46:57 hmm. i've got 20:45 :) Sep 23 23:47:15 angelox|laptop: ok its our normal tv time Sep 23 23:47:25 nschle85: i just like to now: It's day,It's night and it's sleep time :) Sep 23 23:47:41 but out tv is now showing the repetitions Sep 23 23:48:23 angelox|laptop: i need to sleep Sep 23 23:48:39 bye Sep 23 23:48:41 angelox|laptop: :) so good night Sep 23 23:48:44 ops Sep 23 23:48:48 nschle85 * Sep 23 23:49:00 * angelox|laptop said good night to himself :S Sep 23 23:49:34 if you have any questions you can write a mail, my N900 will inform me immedialtely about new mails Sep 23 23:49:58 good night Sep 23 23:49:59 ok Sep 23 23:50:01 bye Sep 23 23:50:04 good night Sep 24 00:28:43 freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07aurora * r90bd00f50107 10/aurora-daemon/src/ (application.cpp application.h): aurora-daemon: fix detection of first boot of the image Sep 24 00:29:09 morphis: (if you still waked up) :) ^^ Sep 24 00:30:36 freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07aurora * r6ff88c34d0b2 10/aurora-daemon/src/application.cpp: aurora-daemon: remove non-usable application directory from applicationDirectories list Sep 24 01:06:19 freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07aurora * r5c57f5e26bef 10/aurora-daemon/src/ (application.cpp rootwindow.cpp rootwindow.h): aurora-daemon: add first version of closeApplication function Sep 24 01:14:28 good night everyone **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 02:59:57 2011