**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 29 02:59:56 2011 Sep 29 05:24:23 ~nf Sep 29 05:24:24 The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash Bulletin Board. (continued at ~NF2. For help see ~NF-help) - - - Recommended URLs and channels(chanlogs etc):see ~RL - - - NEWSFLASH [2011-05-06] No News Sep 29 05:33:31 Hi, I've been roaming through home sites and googling, but still can't find out. What's the difference between SHR and Openmoko? They seem to have a lot in common. Does SHR have top-level GUI software replaced? Sep 29 05:44:04 OpenMoko is a company that used to sell mobile phones... incidentally, their official software releases were also named like that Sep 29 05:45:09 since they dropped their phone business, SHR quickly became the most popular community distribution, partially based on the software originally developed by and with OpenMoko Sep 29 05:45:39 it has also been (partially) ported to other hardware over the past two years or so Sep 29 05:46:57 the current SHR GUI has nothing in common with any of the offical OpenMoko releases AFAIK; though a lot of the backend code does Sep 29 05:47:35 nicktime: does that answer your question? Sep 29 05:52:29 antrik: Yes, thanks. Sep 29 06:02:30 antrik: (mozilla) sigh, and no decent web-browser around, i'm stuck with emacs-w3m Sep 29 08:49:25 moin Sep 29 08:49:49 moin JaMa|Off Sep 29 08:50:12 ahh, you're taking care... good :-D Sep 29 08:50:21 buildhost? Sep 29 08:50:24 yup Sep 29 08:50:40 not really we're stuck until khem updates gcc-4.6 in meta-oe :/ Sep 29 08:50:52 so yesterday builds all failed Sep 29 08:50:52 shit :/ Sep 29 08:51:13 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * rcc0f16a0a861 10/ (542 files in 26 dirs): system upgrade Sep 29 08:51:14 my build here worked yesterday btw. Sep 29 08:51:41 and what's worse is that I've started to build palmpre[12] and it seems that it cannot reuse armv7 toolchain and stuff because of different DEFAULT_TUNE :/ Sep 29 08:52:03 heh Sep 29 08:52:13 worse time or disk-space wise? Sep 29 08:52:21 both Sep 29 08:52:25 yeah Sep 29 08:52:46 maybe we should really consider to ask mickey|office if we can use his amethyst Sep 29 08:52:52 if it's true (not a bug) then we should stick with minimal tune used by both Sep 29 08:53:28 btw. what about your time on weekends? :-) Sep 29 08:53:50 maybe.. building om-gta02+nokia900 is fine on shr buildhost.. but building > 3 machines takes a lot longer Sep 29 08:54:07 mrmoku: still opened in one of tabs and not sure what to fill in :) Sep 29 08:54:16 :) Sep 29 08:54:37 btw: there is ELCE next month in Prague Sep 29 08:54:50 ELCE? Sep 29 08:55:01 maybe we can meet here instead of Essen :) Sep 29 08:55:42 https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference-europe Sep 29 08:56:26 and there is also OE General Assembly, so I guess mickey will be here Sep 29 08:56:54 i built shr-image but my kernel create az a uimage file, is it ok ? Sep 29 08:57:21 for gta02 yes Sep 29 08:57:27 JaMa|Off: I think we should better have a meeting without distraction from parallel events Sep 29 08:57:48 agreed Sep 29 08:58:18 are you going from Munchen? Sep 29 08:58:36 JaMa|Off: yup, Prag would be a lot closer than Essen Sep 29 08:58:52 though Linux Hotel is a perfect place for our needs Sep 29 08:59:33 IIRC you've offered to share car from Munchen? Sep 29 08:59:37 sure Sep 29 09:00:06 ok, I'll check what's easier for me to get to Essen :) Sep 29 09:00:13 good Sep 29 09:00:28 would be nicer to not be alone in the car :-) Sep 29 09:01:24 oh... just got response from Linux Hotel :) Sep 29 09:05:23 I'm afraid I won't make it to the GA this year, I can't leave my wife too often these days Sep 29 09:05:54 mickey|office: I updated the doodle vote and removed the dates where LH is not available Sep 29 09:06:02 if you want to use amethyst, drop me your ssh keys and I create either a common SHR or multiple users for you, as you like Sep 29 09:06:23 note though that morphis is also using this server to run builds, so i'm not sure how much CPU power is actually left Sep 29 09:06:28 mrmoku: excellent, thanks Sep 29 09:09:35 mickey|office: key on query and imho common SHR user is fine Sep 29 09:10:22 can we use shr-chroot there (needs sudo perm to mount/umount/chroot) Sep 29 09:14:41 hmm Prague-NÃ¼rnberg-Essen is 9hours, Prague-NÃ¼rnberg-Munchen+Munchen-Essen is 5hours + 6 in car Sep 29 09:15:02 ouch Sep 29 09:15:25 JaMa|Off: I could pick you up in NÃ¼rnberg :) Sep 29 09:16:25 then it's someting like 3:40 with bus from prague Sep 29 09:19:02 and 50e one-way ticket and no flights there :/ Sep 29 09:41:17 how can i produce a fastbook kernel Sep 29 10:47:43 how can i build a fastboot kernel ? Sep 29 10:52:11 mrmoku: hi there Sep 29 10:53:21 lxsameer: see /oe/recipes/linux/linux-leviathan_git.bb Sep 29 11:04:45 JaMa|Off: ok thanks Sep 29 11:08:11 JaMa|Off: are you sure about the path? Sep 29 11:11:35 awesome, LWN covered the GTA04 binary blob crap: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/460654/aa6c8af4de857b57/ Sep 29 11:13:26 JaMa|Off: gcc-4.6: Update to tip of FSF gcc-4_6-branch Sep 29 11:13:30 is that good? :-) Sep 29 11:14:40 hmm... probably not... is from yesterday :P Sep 29 11:14:43 JaMa|Off: i did not find any clue there Sep 29 11:20:27 hmm "the obligatory flashlight device"… Sep 29 11:20:38 *shrug* Sep 29 11:57:34 lxsameer: yes I'm sure and /oe/ stands for oe-classic checkout.. you would find this there http://paste.pocoo.org/show/484367/ Sep 29 11:57:43 mrmoku: no, that's the cause of it :) Sep 29 11:59:48 mrmoku: my fault that I did merge it to oe-core-contrib/shr.. Sep 29 11:59:59 mrmoku: but I wanted to start it building on buildhost before going to bed.. Sep 29 12:01:19 mrmoku: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2011-September/035284.html Sep 29 12:19:59 how can i redirect the kernel output into phone lcd Sep 29 12:30:52 lxsameer, I think you have to use some kernel boot arg? Sep 29 12:31:45 pespin: i see, but what ? Sep 29 12:44:36 JaMa|Off: ok :-P Sep 29 12:58:24 mrmoku: if you really want I can try to update that patch Sep 29 12:58:30 * JaMa|Off would also like to start builds :) Sep 29 13:01:32 lxsameer, no idea :P Sep 29 13:02:36 JaMa|Off: depends how much time khem needs to fix it Sep 29 13:02:56 right now gta02 does not work due to broken scenarios Sep 29 13:03:27 * mrmoku would like to use it for some day as daily phone before the internals get replaced :) Sep 29 13:03:52 JaMa|Off: btw. gdbus-codegen is now part of glib Sep 29 13:04:32 mrmoku: right, that's why we're using so new glib :) Sep 29 13:05:31 glib-2.0_git.bb is 2.29.3+git where it was already part of glib Sep 29 13:06:06 ANGSTROM_BLACKLIST_pn-gdbus-binding-tool = "gdbus-binding-tool is provided by gdbus-codegen from glib itself" Sep 29 13:07:41 there is 2.30 released Sep 29 13:08:18 I know.. should be easier to upgrade now Sep 29 13:20:51 mrmoku: I've dropped conflicting patches in meta-oe-contrib/shr.. NOTE: package gcc-cross-initial-4.6.1+svnr178924-r16: task do_patch: Succeeded Sep 29 13:22:30 mrmoku: ah :/ | /OE/shr-core/tmp/work-shared/gcc-4.6.1+svnr178924-r16/gcc-4_6-branch/gcc/config/arm/neon.md:30154:5: error: 'neon_struct_operand' undeclared here (not in a function) Sep 29 13:22:35 not so easy Sep 29 14:00:57 mrmoku: gcc hopefully "fixed" Sep 29 14:03:39 JaMa|Off: yo, great :-D Sep 29 14:19:57 now glib upgrade :) Sep 29 14:20:03 or eglibc upgrade too? :) Sep 29 14:24:03 JaMa|Off: you did not yet upgrade eglibc? ;) Sep 29 14:24:24 what a shame! :) Sep 29 14:25:03 :P Sep 29 14:28:51 mrmoku: wait with rebuild.. khem just sent proper patch Sep 29 14:29:09 JaMa|Off: ok :) Sep 29 14:32:07 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rd178625e5a3f 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: meta-shr: prefer eglibc 2.14 Sep 29 14:32:18 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r9d3f94947fb1 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: meta-shr: prefer glib-2.30 Sep 29 16:44:07 mrmoku: new images successfully built, buildhost a bit behind NOTE: Running task 4351 of 7147 Sep 29 16:45:52 mrmoku: [ 64.920000] Alignment trap: phoneuid (359) PC=0x4003a9ec Instr=0xe5929014 Address=0x00000035 FSR 0x013 Sep 29 16:46:03 $ phoneui-quick-settings Sep 29 16:46:04 Error: Process /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper received signal 11 Sep 29 16:46:10 have you seen this? Sep 29 16:46:11 hi, the image I built 2 days ago still hasn't /sbin in PATH, in case you don't know :) Sep 29 16:47:07 phoneuid segfaults after start, nothing in log with DEBUG level :/ Sep 29 16:47:23 SHR root@gjama ~ $ echo $PATH Sep 29 16:47:23 /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin: Sep 29 16:47:36 but maybe it's because of bash here Sep 29 16:48:44 hmm Sep 29 16:48:53 * JaMa|Off will rebuild phoneuid with new glib Sep 29 16:49:34 JaMa|Off: etraps I only saw from e for some time Sep 29 16:49:42 * JaMa|Off too Sep 29 16:50:04 enlightenment traps so to say ;) Sep 29 16:51:35 bbiab Sep 29 16:58:08 hi mrmoku Sep 29 16:58:10 hi Sep 29 16:58:42 hi GNUtoo Sep 29 16:58:55 what are you working on? Sep 29 16:59:40 personally I tried aurora and it didn't work for om-gta02 Sep 29 16:59:57 I'm trying to get gta02 to work with core Sep 29 17:00:05 wow ok Sep 29 17:00:23 what doesn't work? Sep 29 17:00:30 JaMa|Off: an image is at your usual place? Sep 29 17:00:35 mrmoku: yup Sep 29 17:00:40 GNUtoo: right now nothing Sep 29 17:00:55 _works_ Sep 29 17:01:13 call works Sep 29 17:01:17 suspend/resume works Sep 29 17:01:20 touchscreen works Sep 29 17:01:24 etc... Sep 29 17:03:22 not after latest gcc changes ;) Sep 29 17:04:01 I fixed some stuff Sep 29 17:04:01 some other stuff was fixed by other people... Sep 29 17:04:01 I flashed aurora and nothing worked, but I'll reflash shr-core Sep 29 17:04:04 ouch.... Sep 29 17:04:05 I must rebuild an image then Sep 29 17:04:14 so lastest gcc broke everything? Sep 29 17:04:31 how to get the broken state, do I have to rebuild from scratch? Sep 29 17:05:14 dunno Sep 29 17:05:37 also please tell me what is broken Sep 29 17:05:45 because it's like telling "I have a bug" Sep 29 17:05:53 like what's the most important broken thing? Sep 29 17:06:48 I have to flasj the image first Sep 29 17:07:14 but JaMa|Off reports alignment traps and segfaulting phoneuid Sep 29 17:07:28 let me rebuild agains newest glib first Sep 29 17:07:43 * JaMa|Off waiting for n900 image build to finish Sep 29 17:07:46 the image i built yesterday did not give me the pin dialog Sep 29 17:07:49 ok Sep 29 17:07:49 do it then Sep 29 17:07:50 I hesitate to build here(train) Sep 29 17:07:52 ouch that's very bad Sep 29 17:08:06 mrmoku, pin is broken.... Sep 29 17:08:11 remove your pin Sep 29 17:08:18 just a big white window with a close button Sep 29 17:08:25 no Sep 29 17:08:27 s/remove/disable Sep 29 17:08:27 it's broken on all devices Sep 29 17:08:31 I bugreported but nobody cared Sep 29 17:08:38 so we waited Sep 29 17:08:40 if it's broken we must fix it Sep 29 17:08:46 and it hit us a lot later Sep 29 17:08:51 and now it's hard to fix Sep 29 17:08:57 and it did work for me before Sep 29 17:09:07 and now we'll spend a lot of time fixing it.... Sep 29 17:09:12 or we will abandon.... Sep 29 17:09:22 I don't think so Sep 29 17:09:39 abandon means accept a broken pin Sep 29 17:09:48 I even tryed to find the bad commit Sep 29 17:09:53 never Sep 29 17:09:54 with git something Sep 29 17:10:00 ok Sep 29 17:10:02 good Sep 29 17:10:04 :) Sep 29 17:10:10 I'm pessimist theses days Sep 29 17:10:17 since I tried to participate a lot Sep 29 17:10:29 and I failed(people not there, etc...) Sep 29 17:10:40 i'm optimist... *allways* :) Sep 29 17:11:03 ok, real keyboard is much nicer :) Sep 29 17:11:40 ok Sep 29 17:11:57 I only hope that fsoshrconference gives a boost and save fso+shr from dying Sep 29 17:12:31 because it seem that everybody cares about shr but lack time to make it possible to use one device as a main phone Sep 29 17:12:33 whatever device Sep 29 17:12:33 even om-gta02 Sep 29 17:12:40 note that it worked before gcc broke it Sep 29 17:12:51 so I was very happy etc... Sep 29 17:13:15 ok Sep 29 17:13:25 I wanted to use gta02 as daily phone for some days Sep 29 17:13:41 * JaMa|Off thinks it's not gcc fault :) Sep 29 17:13:59 ah? Sep 29 17:14:01 might as well be some e changes libphone-ui-shr must adapt to Sep 29 17:14:10 ok Sep 29 17:14:22 it wasn't even rebuilt with new gcc yet Sep 29 17:14:30 now that I'm connected to a power source in the train I don't fear to compile anymore Sep 29 17:15:04 hope you have long trip, because eglibc/gcc build takes a while :) Sep 29 17:16:18 JaMa|Off: do I have to clean the toolchain? Sep 29 17:17:07 mrmoku: probably not... but it's not bad idea as it will rebuild it anyways Sep 29 17:17:13 ok Sep 29 17:17:48 * JaMa|Off haven't had partially upgraded toolchain issues with oe-core yet Sep 29 17:18:03 GNUtoo: "disable PIN" is not only not a solution, but in fact not even a helpful workaround: while I'd *love* to do this myself (I consider PIN to be useless, and even harmful), but it's just not possible on this SIM Sep 29 17:22:04 mrmoku: phoneuid seems happy after rebuild :) Sep 29 17:22:13 ah ok Sep 29 17:22:57 hmm only seems happy Sep 29 17:24:52 not helpfull bt.. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/484531/.. installing phoneuid-dbg now Sep 29 17:26:42 2011.09.28 23:35:19.049973 [phonefsod] DEBUG: _gsm_device_status_handler: status=alive-no-sim Sep 29 17:26:45 hmm Sep 29 17:28:12 Full SHR image fails to build on qemu. Where do I have to comment it out? Looks like not in tasks... Sep 29 17:28:34 qemu is not needed Sep 29 17:28:54 But it tries to get built and fails. Sep 29 17:28:56 if you get it, it's probably because of external-toolchain bug which was fixed last week Sep 29 17:29:08 On 'bitbake -k shr-image' Sep 29 17:29:22 I see. Sep 29 17:29:31 are you using shr-core or shr-unstable? Sep 29 17:29:31 It's SHR testing. Sep 29 17:30:15 ah.. yes.. there was problem with qemu segfaulting.. Sep 29 17:31:29 duh... PIN dialog works just fine... my SIM was not properly inserted :-P Sep 29 17:32:17 I thought shr-core and shr-unstable are the same and both point to master branch, what's the difference between them? Sep 29 17:33:01 shr-core == branch 'shr' Sep 29 17:33:02 ? Sep 29 17:33:28 bi Sep 29 17:33:30 err Sep 29 17:33:30 no Sep 29 17:33:54 nicktime: shr-core is a completely different thing... setup of different layers of repositories containing recipes Sep 29 17:34:44 shr-unstable is built from the (now quite obsolete) old OE repo containing everything Sep 29 17:35:47 hmm... OE wiki is broken Sep 29 17:42:16 mrmoku: segfaults here http://paste.pocoo.org/show/484539/ Sep 29 17:43:13 in alsa? Sep 29 17:43:15 heh Sep 29 17:46:32 it could be some bogus PC.. Sep 29 17:47:24 and the same on n900 Sep 29 17:47:25 :/ Sep 29 17:48:12 gtg.. bbl Sep 29 17:48:22 ok, cu Sep 29 17:52:15 mrmoku: You're moving from shr-unstable type layout to shr-core type. Hence shr-unstable and shr-testing as they're now will be dropped? Sep 29 17:52:49 nicktime: we're moving to shr-core type layout, right Sep 29 17:53:06 shr-unstable and shr-testing are quite abbandoned Sep 29 17:53:11 not much happening there Sep 29 17:53:22 mrmoku: Hmm, there's no 'testing' branch for shr-core yet? Sep 29 17:53:42 if shr-core is usable hopefully soon we will do some unstable/testing thing there Sep 29 17:54:05 right now it's too early for a testing branch Sep 29 17:54:15 I see. Sep 29 17:55:31 mrmoku: If I want some kind of 'Debian testing': fresh software and not to run into lots of bugs, should I still use shr-core? Sep 29 17:55:55 not yet probably Sep 29 17:56:09 ok, thanks. Sep 29 17:56:10 but we will get there Sep 29 17:56:12 :) Sep 29 17:56:13 yw Sep 29 17:56:27 I'll stick to shr-testing I guess. Sep 29 18:02:24 nicktime: yes, if you want something that is actually (mostly) usable, it is shr-testing for now. though unfortunately quite outdated... Sep 29 18:02:52 antrik: I see, thanks. Sep 29 18:26:43 Oh, looks like qemu got compiled alright. Sep 29 18:27:30 I guess the reason was PC freeze during compilation. Sep 29 19:04:14 GNUtoo: hey, PIN works for me Sep 29 19:04:25 my SIM was not inserted correctly :-P Sep 29 19:04:38 ok Sep 29 19:04:53 I'm flashing an shr-lite-image Sep 29 19:07:28 ~nf Sep 29 19:07:28 The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash Bulletin Board. (continued at ~NF2. For help see ~NF-help) - - - Recommended URLs and channels(chanlogs etc):see ~RL - - - NEWSFLASH [2011-05-06] No News Sep 29 19:07:49 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rd88eff066761 10/libmsmcomm/msmcomm/ (callmessage.vala smsmessage.vala): libmsmcomm: some pending local changes for sms and call messages Sep 29 19:09:05 ~NF-help Sep 29 19:09:05 >>list old content (~literal NF); ~forget #openmoko-cdevel NF; c&p and edit old content, then set new (~#openmoko-cdevel NF is whatever-new-content). The leading #openmoko-cdevel makes the factoid channel specific. If you edit in a query, you invoke by '#openmoko-cdevel NF' Sep 29 19:10:13 is there a way to get SDHC model from linux userland? Sep 29 19:11:01 hello, does anybody can help installing a native toolchain on n900 ? Sep 29 19:12:18 I have the following problem: after installing gcc and binutils every tool is prefixed by arm-oe-linux-gnueabi- Sep 29 19:12:53 nschle85: IIRC: "opkg install gcc-symlinks" Sep 29 19:13:14 dos1: :-) Sep 29 19:13:18 thank you Sep 29 19:13:46 and what about binutils ? i think ar will conflict with ar from busybox true ? Sep 29 19:14:12 nschle85: i've never seen such prefix on binutils apps Sep 29 19:14:20 arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-ar Sep 29 19:14:24 nschle85: it was always maintained by update-alternatives Sep 29 19:14:30 so something have changed Sep 29 19:14:46 arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-as Sep 29 19:14:48 nschle85: look for similar symlinks package maybe... Sep 29 19:15:00 but as already exists Sep 29 19:15:10 nschle85: it doesn't matter Sep 29 19:15:17 nschle85: it's symlink, isn't it? Sep 29 19:16:33 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Sep 25 04:45 /usr/bin/ar -> ../../bin/busybox Sep 29 19:16:46 nschle85: yep, "opkg install binutils-symlinks" Sep 29 19:17:03 hope package management will not be destroyed Sep 29 19:17:16 because ar is the archiver used by opkg Sep 29 19:17:25 nschle85: it won't, this /usr/bin/ar symlink is already maintainer by opkg Sep 29 19:17:29 maintained* Sep 29 19:17:45 nschle85: it will just update it instead of trying to overwrite Sep 29 19:18:45 ok ill try , lets see what happens :-) Sep 29 19:20:25 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r3bec3606fa48 10/libmsmrpc/msmrpc-1.0.pc.in: libmsmrpc: fix description in pkg-config file Sep 29 19:20:25 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r9c495f8dda82 10/libmsmrpc/ (4 files in 2 dirs): libmsmrpc: remove unused and unnecessary vapi directory Sep 29 19:20:26 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rfeb1915b2098 10/libmsmrpc/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libmsmrpc: remove callback functionality from oemrapi implementation Sep 29 19:25:24 JaMa, hi Sep 29 19:25:24 for the htcdream I don't know what to do: Sep 29 19:25:24 I've done armv6 files for oe-core Sep 29 19:25:25 and my changes in meta-smartphone depend on that Sep 29 19:26:19 mrmoku, my hollidays are from arround 20 december to 9 january Sep 29 19:26:28 dos1: thank you, package management still works and all symlinks are available :-) Sep 29 19:27:09 GNUtoo: yeah, just got the doodle mail :) Sep 29 19:27:30 yes but I couldn't really put what I wanted on doddle Sep 29 19:27:39 so for me it's 20 december->9 january Sep 29 19:27:41 dos1: please vote... I hope you have time 16/17/18 of december Sep 29 19:28:08 GNUtoo: I just put the weekends there Sep 29 19:28:12 as it has to be a weekend Sep 29 19:28:26 and I omitted the xmas holidays Sep 29 19:28:51 I'm free during the whole xmas hollidays Sep 29 19:29:22 I'm not... one of the penalties for having a family :-P Sep 29 19:30:18 ah ok Sep 29 19:30:41 but please take into account that I'm free during that whole period Sep 29 19:30:49 and take also in account that you are not Sep 29 19:31:10 want me to add the weekends there? Sep 29 19:32:13 I just want to express the fact that I'm free during theses hollidays Sep 29 19:32:19 mrmoku: it's not really matter of time - it's rather long distance and high costs :/ Sep 29 19:32:27 GNUtoo: the first weekend there is the 24th and the second is 31st :P Sep 29 19:32:38 dos1: that would be sad :/ Sep 29 19:33:00 but i'll try Sep 29 19:33:02 mrmoku, I'm also free during the week Sep 29 19:33:04 not only the hollidays week-end Sep 29 19:33:04 dos1: costs are basically travel costs Sep 29 19:33:12 + 5 â‚¬ per day Sep 29 19:33:15 abuot costs, how much is the hotel? Sep 29 19:33:19 and another 5 â‚¬ for breakfast Sep 29 19:33:20 mrmoku: yup, still quite high ;x (travel costs) Sep 29 19:33:22 mrmoku: what is doodle mail ? Sep 29 19:33:25 ok Sep 29 19:33:36 if you don't mind to sleep on the floor :P Sep 29 19:33:36 mrmoku: but about time: every weekend should be ok for me Sep 29 19:33:49 nschle85: doodle.com Sep 29 19:33:54 dos1: ok Sep 29 19:33:59 (if i'll be able to go ofc) Sep 29 19:34:02 dos1: how much are the travel costs? Sep 29 19:34:08 (and i'd like to) Sep 29 19:34:12 :P Sep 29 19:35:01 I don't want to sleep on the floor(); I prefer having a clear mind.... Sep 29 19:35:18 (floor(); is a function) Sep 29 19:35:27 mrmoku: ok i am not invited Sep 29 19:36:01 nschle85, are you interested in comming? Sep 29 19:36:28 GNUtoo: i dont know what the event is about Sep 29 19:36:52 basically a meeting between fso+shr+openmoko devellopers Sep 29 19:37:09 mrmoku: it's in essen? Sep 29 19:37:10 to find out how to continue Sep 29 19:37:10 no presentations etc... Sep 29 19:37:13 but only talks on where we should go and how Sep 29 19:37:15 dos1: yup Sep 29 19:38:05 GNUtoo: genrally i am interested it depends on the location because at xmas time the parents from my wife will comme from estona (2500 km far awy from here) Sep 29 19:38:18 ok Sep 29 19:39:35 mrmoku, for n900 could it be the lack of connman? Sep 29 19:39:38 for the 3g issue Sep 29 19:40:05 hmm, no Sep 29 19:40:10 connman is not involved there Sep 29 19:40:16 ok Sep 29 19:40:24 I tought that fsonetworkd used connmand Sep 29 19:40:30 at least for some stuff Sep 29 19:40:43 maybe not for n900 3g plugin Sep 29 19:41:16 om-gta02 worked with my old oe repos Sep 29 19:41:16 should I git pull and retry Sep 29 19:41:17 old oe means oe core from yesterday Sep 29 19:41:26 I mean I did a call Sep 29 19:41:33 to an operator number Sep 29 19:42:19 mrmoku, how to go to the linux hotel? Sep 29 19:42:42 I would come from italy Sep 29 19:42:42 essen is a big city? Sep 29 19:42:42 GNUtoo: where from? Sep 29 19:42:46 yup Sep 29 19:42:50 ok nice Sep 29 19:43:04 you can come to munich by train and then with me in the car :-) Sep 29 19:43:10 so I guess there are trains from an airport Sep 29 19:43:14 ok Sep 29 19:43:25 GNUtoo: yes, its one of the bigger cities in germany Sep 29 19:43:36 note that my only license is for driving boats, not cars Sep 29 19:43:44 ok nice Sep 29 19:44:42 noone going though Berlin? :) Sep 29 19:44:43 mrmoku: GNUtoo: if i cannot come to essen, can we meet for 1-2 hours in munich ? Sep 29 19:45:17 dos1: NÃ¼rnberg? :P Sep 29 19:46:00 nschle85, yes it could be possible, ask mrmoku , but then you have the risk of beeing captured by us by force and then to be taken to essen.... Sep 29 19:46:09 mrmoku: i only know that it's easy for me to get to Berlin - there is even direct train from my city Sep 29 19:46:57 dos1: do you have a car ? Sep 29 19:47:21 nschle85: unfortunatelly Sep 29 19:47:29 only driving license Sep 29 19:47:30 dos1: Berlin would be a 1000 extra km for me :P Sep 29 19:47:42 mrmoku: yup, google maps already told me :P Sep 29 19:47:53 GNUtoo: the "problem" is i have a family :-) Sep 29 19:48:16 yes I understood, I was just joking Sep 29 19:49:21 GNUtoo: i am still discussing with my wife :-) Sep 29 19:49:28 ok Sep 29 19:50:35 GNUtoo: i lived for one year in essen kray (army) Sep 29 19:50:45 ok Sep 29 19:53:16 GNUtoo: mrmoku: but lets talk again if someone invited me too and the time is fixed Sep 29 19:53:47 mrmoku, can we invite nschle85 ? Sep 29 19:54:23 nschle85: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/FSOSHRCON_2011 Sep 29 19:55:28 mrmoku: i am not a core developer, i try to help i i have time ... Sep 29 19:55:32 if Sep 29 19:55:56 I think that beeing interested in helping is enough Sep 29 19:58:50 GNUtoo: is it possible to change the votes later ? Sep 29 19:58:59 no idea I don't know doddle Sep 29 19:59:14 I would have preferred a wiki page.... Sep 29 20:00:14 nschle85: yup, its possible Sep 29 20:00:32 mrmoku: but the i have to register true ? Sep 29 20:00:35 then Sep 29 20:00:36 no Sep 29 20:00:48