**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 11 02:59:57 2011
Nov 11 04:57:15 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: looked through the patches and the code, will take care really soon (today).
Nov 11 05:55:10 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: moin
Nov 11 05:55:43 * DocScrutinizer is just wearing a very fine black pullover :-)
Nov 11 05:59:25 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: morning :)
Nov 11 06:18:24 <mrmoku> moin
Nov 11 06:30:45 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: hey
Nov 11 06:38:07 <mrmoku> hey PaulFertser 
Nov 11 06:38:15 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: what is your take on +CCWA ?
Nov 11 06:39:43 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: calypso's uber-shit :/ If it helps with stability, getting rid of that command worth it, i'd say.
Nov 11 06:39:55 <PaulFertser> Nice thing it's confirmed in-field.
Nov 11 06:44:48 <mrmoku> yeah
Nov 11 06:45:05 <mrmoku> ~lart calypso
Nov 11 06:45:05 * apt hooks into a hydrant and hoses calypso down
Nov 11 07:56:48 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, any pointer to let me catch up with +CCWA story?
Nov 11 07:59:49 <JaMa> DocScrutinizer: this thread http://www.mail-archive.com/smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org/msg02765.html
Nov 11 08:05:54 <DocScrutinizer> ummmm :-S
Nov 11 08:06:35 <DocScrutinizer> JaMa: thanks
Nov 11 08:08:00 <JaMa> yw
Nov 11 08:32:52 <CIA-63> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * ra051e824420f 10/ (127 files in 14 dirs): system upgrade
Nov 11 10:34:30 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: great, any comments so far?
Nov 11 10:34:43 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: should we apply the s/jffs2/ubifs/ patch too?
Nov 11 10:35:32 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: looks good to me so far, i'll have another look this evening, i promise. Will you be available in case i have some questions?
Nov 11 10:35:45 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: probably yes
Nov 11 10:36:13 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I think I'll also write man page for qi
Nov 11 10:36:22 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: that ubifs thing... I've heard folks were complaining about ubifs getting corrupted after a forced reboot, was it investigated/fixed?
Nov 11 10:36:31 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: no idea, I am not using nand
Nov 11 10:36:48 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: but afaik all NAND-using distros use ubifs now?
Nov 11 10:37:02 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: so they ship their own patched-qi
Nov 11 10:37:34 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: and I'd like to make it possible for people to "apt-get install qi" but still boot SHR, qtmoko if they want
Nov 11 10:41:44 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: well, if they do, why not.
Nov 11 10:54:54 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: so that'd be   https://github.com/radekp/qi/commit/0c2d3c3e35c9edb7d1de00b5fcb739bf02afc58
Nov 11 10:55:54 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: what do you think wrt ubifs/jffs2?
Nov 11 10:58:25 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I hate hardcoding as much as you do but I don't want to add very intrusive patches that changes qi behavior at this point
Nov 11 10:58:43 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I just want the minimal extra features that I need with minimum potential for regressions at this point :)
Nov 11 10:59:09 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: in the future I want /boot/cmdline-GTA02 that can be used to override cmdline completely
Nov 11 11:01:48 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: sounds reasonable.
Nov 11 11:28:53 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: I'm not using the nand... so no opinion
Nov 11 12:47:47 <radekp> PaulFertser: since JFFS2 does not have mmap it's not very usable with debian - apt-get can't live without mmap
Nov 11 12:49:11 <radekp> PaulFertser: if you dont pull battery while system is running very often then UBIFS is probably fine - i have been using it for very long time and it's definitely usable filesystem
Nov 11 13:53:45 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: radekp: thanks
Nov 11 17:22:49 <lindi-_> btw, is there a bug report that tracks the weird colors that we have in 320x240 mode?
Nov 11 18:01:48 <morphis> heyho
Nov 11 18:09:08 <morphis> angelox|laptop: ping
Nov 11 18:13:27 <nschle85> JaMa: ping
Nov 11 18:25:13 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: what about s/rootdelay/rootwait/ ?
Nov 11 18:29:58 <PaulFertser> s/rootdelay=1/rootwait/ i mean
Nov 11 18:36:03 <nschle85> mrmoku: ping (access phonet0 from desktop computer)
Nov 11 18:37:32 <jfthomps> anyone know which of the FSO pieces in shr-testing controls the automatic screen dimming?
Nov 11 18:43:22 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I wouldn't touch that :/
Nov 11 18:43:38 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: why?
Nov 11 18:43:48 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: you can override it with append-GTA02
Nov 11 18:44:14 <lindi-_> also I have only tested rootdelay=1
Nov 11 18:44:34 <lindi-_> so i'd have to at least test that for a month or so
Nov 11 18:45:58 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: i wonder why you think file_exists() function is really needed. Should we probably just disable PULL_FAIL indication and continue if the file can't be loaded?
Nov 11 18:46:14 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: that is one solution yes
Nov 11 18:46:36 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: but possibly you want to differentiate between missing initrd and somehow corrupted initrd
Nov 11 18:47:07 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: but yes, I was having same thoughts when I looked at that
Nov 11 18:48:45 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: earlier in the code read_file is used too to detect the ``noboot'' file presence...
Nov 11 18:50:20 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: i'd prefer read_file() to return different values for an absent file or for a one it can't read.
Nov 11 18:51:04 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: ok, just need some #define's for the return values
Nov 11 18:51:48 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: yeah
Nov 11 18:53:20 <nschle85> PaulFertser: dobri wetscher, may i disturb you ? i need help to a different problem
Nov 11 18:53:52 <PaulFertser> nschle85: sure, i'll try to answer if i can.
Nov 11 18:54:03 <PaulFertser> nschle85: dobriy vecher indeed
Nov 11 18:56:46 <nschle85> i would like to access phonet0 interface of N900 from another computer
Nov 11 18:57:19 <nschle85> but since 4 days i have no success
Nov 11 18:58:28 <PaulFertser> nschle85: oh, i know mrmoku and others managed to do that with the help of phonet-utils using an upstream (not loosy nokia 2.6.28 fork) kernel.
Nov 11 18:59:03 <PaulFertser> nschle85: if you mean you basically want to "forward" your n900 isi modem to your pc, that way is what worked for them.
Nov 11 18:59:42 <nschle85> yes i mean that
Nov 11 19:00:31 <nschle85> i am using 2.6.37 kernel from official shr-core feeds, is that enough ?
Nov 11 19:02:43 <nschle85> PaulFertser: did you got it working ?
Nov 11 19:03:32 <mrmoku> nschle85: IIRC the trick is to use phonet-utils correctly
Nov 11 19:03:35 <PaulFertser> nschle85: i think i personally didn't as soon as those phonet-utils were released, i lost motivation.
Nov 11 19:03:51 <PaulFertser> I lost interest as others got it working and i didn't need it personally.
Nov 11 19:04:12 <nschle85> mrmoku: thank you for that information :-)
Nov 11 19:04:25 <nschle85> and what did i wrong ?
Nov 11 19:05:03 <mrmoku> hmm
Nov 11 19:05:26 <nschle85> mrmoku: http://pastebin.com/dEN8yH4j this is was i had yesterday and all interfaces where up
Nov 11 19:06:18 <mrmoku> nschle85: interesting enough that pastebin is on 5th position when googling for phonet-utils :-P
Nov 11 19:06:50 <nschle85> mrmoku: i paid google to do that :-)
Nov 11 19:07:18 <nschle85> mrmoku: and i told to buy an iphone if the do not do that :-)
Nov 11 19:07:24 <nschle85> they
Nov 11 19:07:39 <mrmoku> that probably did the trick ;)
Nov 11 19:07:42 <mrmoku> http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/phonet-utils/blobs/master/misc/if-pre-up
Nov 11 19:07:46 <mrmoku> you know that one?
Nov 11 19:08:19 <mrmoku> nschle85: that is your problem probably
Nov 11 19:08:22 <nschle85> mrmoku: yes, its the same like in the misc directory 
Nov 11 19:08:43 <mrmoku> ahh no
Nov 11 19:09:17 <mrmoku> hmm... actually that looks good
Nov 11 19:09:57 <nschle85> mrmoku: does is actually work for you ?
Nov 11 19:10:20 <mrmoku> did not try for a long time
Nov 11 19:10:27 <mrmoku> what misc directory?
Nov 11 19:10:50 <nschle85> i downloaded phonet utils sources
Nov 11 19:10:59 <nschle85> a debian package
Nov 11 19:11:33 <mrmoku> ok
Nov 11 19:11:42 <mrmoku> what did you do on the phone?
Nov 11 19:11:56 <nschle85> executed the script
Nov 11 19:12:09 <mrmoku> on boot we already to this:
Nov 11 19:12:10 <mrmoku> phonet -a 0x6C -i phonet0
Nov 11 19:12:10 <mrmoku> pnroute add 0x00 phonet0
Nov 11 19:12:11 <mrmoku> ip link set dev phonet0 up
Nov 11 19:12:34 <nschle85> i know
Nov 11 19:13:17 * mrmoku goes and fetches his n900
Nov 11 19:13:25 <nschle85> so the script is only necessary for upnlink0
Nov 11 19:17:40 <mrmoku> nschle85: one stupid question... you got g_nokia loaded on the phone? not g_ether?
Nov 11 19:18:26 <nschle85> mrmoku: 1. that question is not stupid , 2. i have to check, i use the "default"
Nov 11 19:18:59 <PaulFertser> If it was g_ether, he wouldn't have phonet interface on the PC created at all.
Nov 11 19:19:51 <mrmoku> nschle85: yup, as always PaulFertser is right :)
Nov 11 19:19:57 <nschle85> PaulFertser: thats true if i connect the phone, usbpn0 is created on my pc
Nov 11 19:20:37 <nschle85> mrmoku: booting n900
Nov 11 19:20:56 <mrmoku> (/home/mok/src/openmoko/libgisi/tests/.libs/lt-testping:6041): gisicomm-DEBUG: gisicomm.vala:937: regstatus = NET_REG_STATUS_HOME
Nov 11 19:21:16 <mrmoku> nschle85: with maemo it works
Nov 11 19:21:51 <nschle85> mrmoku: i did not tried with maemo
Nov 11 19:22:02 <mrmoku> nschle85: did you run the if-pre-up script on the phone for upnlink0?
Nov 11 19:22:16 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: with maemo kernel?
Nov 11 19:22:24 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: yup
Nov 11 19:22:33 <PaulFertser> Oh, weird, it didn't have phonet routing afaik.
Nov 11 19:22:45 <mrmoku> hmm
Nov 11 19:22:51 <nschle85> mrmoku: yes, i did it yesterday, today my phone is freshly booted in shr
Nov 11 19:23:13 <nschle85> should i connect the usb cable to the pc ?
Nov 11 19:23:45 <mrmoku> if you want phonet t work... better yes ;)
Nov 11 19:24:34 * mrmoku goes fetching a SD to install latest SHR ...
Nov 11 19:26:18 <nschle85> mrmoku: ok, connected cable and ubuntu networkmanager configures usb networking
Nov 11 19:26:53 <mrmoku> nschle85: SHR did boot and register?
Nov 11 19:27:25 <nschle85> mrmoku: boot yes register , you mean pin dialog ?
Nov 11 19:31:03 <mrmoku> nschle85: yup
Nov 11 19:31:57 <nschle85> mrmoku: pin dialog comes and phone is registered, but i think pin dialog does not come on every boot, but that i have to check, was it fixed ?
Nov 11 19:32:08 <mrmoku> no
Nov 11 19:32:38 <nschle85> mrmoku: so it may be random behavior or my workaround is still installed :-)
Nov 11 19:33:56 <nschle85> mrmoku: bach to my problem, now iam loged in via ssh on my phone
Nov 11 19:35:01 <nschle85> http://pastebin.com/8Aj07xHy
Nov 11 19:35:27 <mrmoku> then run:
Nov 11 19:35:52 <mrmoku> phonet -a 0x6C -i upnlink0
Nov 11 19:36:15 <mrmoku> pnroute add 0x10 upnlink0
Nov 11 19:36:27 <mrmoku> ip link set dev upnlink0 up
Nov 11 19:36:29 <nschle85> mrmoku: not yet, please see: http://pastebin.com/Nf82XL6n
Nov 11 19:36:49 <mrmoku> and?
Nov 11 19:36:58 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: i've an alternative patch on your mailbox, what do you think?
Nov 11 19:37:01 <mrmoku> that's why you have to run those commands *on the phone*
Nov 11 19:37:22 <nschle85> i want to tell you step by step what happens on my phone
Nov 11 19:37:29 <nschle85> now ill do
Nov 11 19:37:38 <mrmoku> ok, good :)
Nov 11 19:38:02 <mrmoku> brb
Nov 11 19:39:52 <nschle85> mrmoku: http://pastebin.com/uubXjSk8
Nov 11 19:41:13 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: looks nice
Nov 11 19:41:31 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: if you commit all that I'll test it right away :)
Nov 11 19:44:08 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: pushed
Nov 11 19:50:59 <mrmoku> nschle85: ok
Nov 11 19:51:10 <mrmoku> nschle85: now run the script on the host
Nov 11 19:52:43 <nschle85> mrmoku: ./if-pre-up usbpn0 ?
Nov 11 19:53:14 <mrmoku> nschle85: yup
Nov 11 19:53:44 <nschle85> mrmoku: netlink error file exists
Nov 11 19:54:34 <PaulFertser> Where's the latest Qi recipe in OE?
Nov 11 19:54:56 <nschle85> mrmoku: http://pastebin.com/5dEFuhtv
Nov 11 19:54:57 <mrmoku> nschle85: run the testping anyway
Nov 11 19:55:22 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: built, now halting and booting
Nov 11 19:55:51 <mrmoku> nschle85: hmm... does not work for me either with SHR
Nov 11 19:56:57 <mrmoku> moment
Nov 11 19:57:25 <lindi-_> hmm, "Bad page state in process udevd pfn:37ffc"
Nov 11 19:57:53 <nschle85> mrmoku: http://pastebin.com/QxHcDttm
Nov 11 19:58:06 <nschle85> mrmoku: this output is different from yesterday
Nov 11 19:58:57 <nschle85> mrmoku: ups now my imei ...
Nov 11 20:02:48 <mrmoku> nschle85: yeah, I'm getting the PN_PHONE_INFO too now
Nov 11 20:03:05 <mrmoku> after restarting fsogsmd one has to redo phonet + pnroute + ip for phonet0
Nov 11 20:04:02 <nschle85> so now let us test tcpdump on phonet0
Nov 11 20:05:00 <nschle85> i tried tcpdump -i phonet0 -s 0
Nov 11 20:05:05 <nschle85> on n900
Nov 11 20:05:30 <nschle85> then i opened settings/phone/operators
Nov 11 20:07:00 <nschle85> http://pastebin.com/hk7UuufG
Nov 11 20:07:04 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I'm trying to figure out if this is caused by qi or if it is something random
Nov 11 20:07:50 <mrmoku> nschle85: now you need wireshark + the isi plugin
Nov 11 20:08:01 <mrmoku> btw. testservers seems to work fine
Nov 11 20:08:26 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: it looks strange, i agree.
Nov 11 20:08:29 <mrmoku> ** (/home/mok/src/openmoko/libgisi/tests/.libs/lt-testservers:6396): DEBUG: testservers.vala:133: reply is <[PN_CALL (1) v007.020]: OK, id = 0xF0>
Nov 11 20:09:57 <nschle85> mrmoku: i have not prepared that
Nov 11 20:10:22 <nschle85> but i expect the same output on my host
Nov 11 20:10:30 <nschle85> can i expect that ?
Nov 11 20:13:03 <mrmoku> nschle85: on your host you don't have phonet0
Nov 11 20:13:23 <mrmoku> nschle85: just try it
Nov 11 20:13:32 <nschle85> mrmoku: i have usbpn0
Nov 11 20:13:40 <nschle85> and i have wireshark
Nov 11 20:13:56 <mrmoku> my guess is you won't get what fsogsmd is doing with the modem
Nov 11 20:14:02 <mrmoku> but you're not interested in that anyway
Nov 11 20:14:49 <nschle85> i thought i can capture everything
Nov 11 20:15:16 <nschle85> like capturing directly phonet0
Nov 11 20:16:12 <nschle85> mrmoku: so this is what i do not understand what usbpn0 isfor
Nov 11 20:16:36 <PaulFertser> JaMa: thanks, your ubifs qi patch pushed
Nov 11 20:16:40 <nschle85> is it a "mirror" of phonet ? 
Nov 11 20:19:00 <nschle85> mrmoku: or do i have to open a connection and only connection specific traffic is transported ?
Nov 11 20:19:20 <mrmoku> that's what I would think
Nov 11 20:19:34 <nschle85> mrmoku: what ? connection specific ?
Nov 11 20:19:34 <mrmoku> otherwise all that routing stuff would not make much sense
Nov 11 20:19:48 <mrmoku> yup
Nov 11 20:20:00 <mrmoku> but what do *I* know :-P
Nov 11 20:20:08 <mrmoku> I have no freaking idea... just guessing
Nov 11 20:20:35 <nschle85> and testping gave some reasonable answer :-)
Nov 11 20:21:07 <nschle85> so usbpn0 behaves a little bit different like phonet0
Nov 11 20:23:28 <nschle85> mrmoku: hmmm... Gnutoo told me that you have a NDA is that true ?
Nov 11 20:23:56 <mrmoku> nschle85: for the phonet docs yeah
Nov 11 20:24:17 <nschle85> mrmoku: are these docs useful ?
Nov 11 20:24:58 <mrmoku> yeah, I think so
Nov 11 20:25:03 <mrmoku> but the site is no more
Nov 11 20:25:13 <mrmoku> (www.wirelessmodemapi.com)
Nov 11 20:25:28 <nschle85> mrmoku: but do you have a backup ?
Nov 11 20:25:35 <mrmoku> sure :)
Nov 11 20:26:06 <mrmoku> nschle85: there is another very interesting information source though
Nov 11 20:26:16 <mrmoku> which was even more helpfull
Nov 11 20:26:31 <mrmoku> the nokia sdk
Nov 11 20:26:45 <mrmoku> it contains some isi headers with lots of interesting stuff
Nov 11 20:26:56 <nschle85> i have it, 
Nov 11 20:27:18 <mrmoku> NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/include/ISI/icpr82
Nov 11 20:30:03 <mrmoku> nschle85: pn_location_isi.h is the one you're interested in :)
Nov 11 20:41:39 <nschle85> mrmoku: it it allowed to show what is in the documentation ?
Nov 11 20:41:54 <nschle85> is is
Nov 11 20:41:57 <nschle85> is it
Nov 11 20:43:23 <nschle85> PaulFertser: did you have contact to JaMa today ?, i wanted to ask something but he does not respond here
Nov 11 20:43:42 <PaulFertser> nschle85: i've seen him talking earlier in the morning today iirc. But not later.
Nov 11 20:43:52 <nschle85> PaulFertser: ok
Nov 11 20:44:06 <PaulFertser> nschle85: i hope he's busy preparing some awesome weekend fun for himself.
Nov 11 20:44:46 <lindi-_> e41d8874110 still works so it is not my compiler that is broken at least :)
Nov 11 20:45:03 <PaulFertser> Or was it yesterday's morning...
Nov 11 20:45:11 <nschle85> PaulFertser: do you think he can forget shr for 2 days ?
Nov 11 20:45:44 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: are you comparing booting with initramfs and without?
Nov 11 20:45:54 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: without
Nov 11 20:45:58 <mrmoku> nschle85: I don't think so
Nov 11 20:46:13 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: the patches shouldn't have an behaviour change then...
Nov 11 20:46:17 <nschle85> mrmoku: but i hope he can :-)
Nov 11 20:46:18 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: indeed
Nov 11 20:46:47 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I'm testing all revisions one by one now
Nov 11 20:47:23 <nschle85> mrmoku: does JaMa go to FSOSHRCON11 ? 
Nov 11 20:49:23 <mrmoku> nschle85: yup
Nov 11 20:49:46 <mrmoku> nschle85: even JaMa is not protected by Lenin's law :-P
Nov 11 20:50:21 <mrmoku> nschle85: did you take a look at the header I pointed out?
Nov 11 20:53:15 <nschle85> no, because i installed the sdk but i cannot find where :-)
Nov 11 20:53:29 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: 90d45f95a23ad9599040bfc85e36d059c3e35724 causes the problem
Nov 11 20:53:32 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: fully reproducible
Nov 11 20:54:02 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: and now try enlarging that very initrd offset constant ;)
Nov 11 20:54:20 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: but I have not even specified an initramfs
Nov 11 20:54:28 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: so the patch should not change anything
Nov 11 20:54:32 <nschle85> mrmoku: but some weeks ago i documented it :-) http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/N900%20Specifications
Nov 11 20:56:28 <nschle85> mrmoku: and simply downloading and extracting is not possible i think
Nov 11 20:56:30 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: unsigned initramfs_len
Nov 11 20:56:54 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: you can't have -ENOENT there
Nov 11 20:56:59 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: since it is unsigned
Nov 11 20:57:14 <nschle85> nschle85: my main problem is how to develop
Nov 11 20:57:16 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: damn, you're so right.
Nov 11 20:57:26 <mrmoku> nschle85: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/506488/
Nov 11 20:57:30 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: just set initramfs_len = 0;
Nov 11 20:57:32 * mrmoku running out of battery
Nov 11 20:57:33 <mrmoku> bbl
Nov 11 20:57:36 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: it makes it more readable too
Nov 11 20:57:50 <nschle85> mrmoku: are you a borg ?
Nov 11 20:58:45 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I'll propose you a fix soon
Nov 11 20:58:53 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: no, i think that's a bug in the original code as well, you couldn't detect read_file failing at all for initramfs.
Nov 11 20:59:07 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: yes
Nov 11 21:00:47 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: so i'd propose changing all that from unsigned to int and be done with it.
Nov 11 21:01:28 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: maybe put passing initramfs_len = -ENOENT to do_params sound bit fishy
Nov 11 21:02:36 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: probably so...
Nov 11 21:03:16 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: so how about  http://paste.debian.net/144917/  ?
Nov 11 21:03:52 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: and hmm, probably "if (ret <= 0)" since we want a zero-byte initramfs to be an error :)
Nov 11 21:05:22 <nschle85> mrmoku: i would also like to come but i was not invited
Nov 11 21:06:13 <nschle85> and its the last free weekend for me
Nov 11 21:08:49 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: are you sure you prefer that to initramfs_len = ret > 0 ? ret : 0;
Nov 11 21:09:25 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: both are fine
Nov 11 21:09:53 <nschle85> mrmoku: but the good news, my wife says i can drive to essen :-)
Nov 11 21:10:37 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/qi/0001-Fix-bug-introduced-in-f407b0626f0160fa8cca67c548c8de.patch boots fine without initramfs, trying next with initramfs
Nov 11 21:11:51 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: i mean http://paste.debian.net/144921/
Nov 11 21:14:11 <nschle85> dos1: do you drive to essen ?
Nov 11 21:14:34 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: yep I know what you meant :)
Nov 11 21:14:41 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: but I already started testing this other patch :P
Nov 11 21:15:38 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: feel free to tell me which one you want to get pushed once you do enough testing :)
Nov 11 21:19:18 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: heh
Nov 11 21:19:32 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I'm not a huge fan of the ? : operator and this patch seems to work so
Nov 11 21:19:40 * lindi-_ reboots a few more times
Nov 11 21:20:39 <nschle85> lindi-_: the ? : is a very nice syntatic element
Nov 11 21:21:08 <nschle85> its better tan if then else ...
Nov 11 21:21:39 <PaulFertser> what about ``(if expr statement else-statement)'' ;) ?
Nov 11 21:23:59 <nschle85> PaulFertser: thats i wanted to say :-) but ? : is much shorter and its clear that the one or other option is choosen
Nov 11 21:25:11 <nschle85> PaulFertser: what is the time difference at the moment to gmt+1 ?? are that really 3 hours ?
Nov 11 21:25:47 <PaulFertser> nschle85: i'm at UTC+4 atm.
Nov 11 21:26:06 <nschle85> i am at utc+2
Nov 11 21:26:10 <nschle85> utc +1
Nov 11 21:26:16 <PaulFertser> nschle85: so yes, 3 hours indeed
Nov 11 21:26:43 <nschle85> but physically we are max 2 hours away
Nov 11 21:27:34 <nschle85> so it would be better if russian time  would have ben frozen during winter time
Nov 11 21:27:40 <PaulFertser> nschle85: early during the soviet ruling there was a ruling to use a geographical+1 time.
Nov 11 21:27:44 <lindi-_> nschle85: gcc debug information does not have column information often :)
Nov 11 21:27:50 <lindi-_> nschle85: so having separate lines is nice :P
Nov 11 21:27:57 <PaulFertser> nschle85: and now medvedev made it 1 hour more for some obscure reason.
Nov 11 21:28:11 <PaulFertser> And deprecated DST :/
Nov 11 21:28:23 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: seems to work both with and without initrd
Nov 11 21:28:24 <PaulFertser> DTS
Nov 11 21:28:41 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: so you can commit that fix from  http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/qi/0001-Fix-bug-introduced-in-f407b0626f0160fa8cca67c548c8de.patch
Nov 11 21:29:12 <nschle85> so in summer there would be 1 hour difference
Nov 11 21:29:31 <nschle85> but anyway that was YOUR decision :-)
Nov 11 21:31:38 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: http://paste.debian.net/144932/
Nov 11 21:32:14 <PaulFertser> heh
Nov 11 21:33:17 <PaulFertser> nschle85: no, in the summer will still have 2 hours difference to the geographical time, as we have no "summer time" aka daylight saving time anymore.
Nov 11 21:34:07 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: that's the same patch, right?
Nov 11 21:34:17 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: paste.debian.net might mess with indentation
Nov 11 21:34:34 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: no, that one has "<"
Nov 11 21:34:39 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I think we want "<="
Nov 11 21:34:59 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: sure, i agree
Nov 11 21:35:36 <lindi-_> I'll test what happens with dangling symlink :)
Nov 11 21:35:49 <nschle85> but if time would have been frozen in winter then in summer would be 1 hour difference or do i have a big fault in my calculation ?
Nov 11 21:37:49 <nschle85> PaulFertser: germans are not the best in + and - so we discalculate in several bilian euros :-)
Nov 11 21:38:39 <PaulFertser> nschle85: (my decision) i haven't voted for those criminals...
Nov 11 21:39:18 <nschle85> PaulFertser: what is the official answer why it has been done ?
Nov 11 21:40:15 <PaulFertser> nschle85: health concerns, but there was no academic paper (no public research at all in fact) supporting it.
Nov 11 21:41:03 <PaulFertser> nschle85: we have 3 hours difference now, and in summer you'll have one our more, so it'll be 2 hours difference.
Nov 11 21:43:38 <nschle85> PaulFertser: but if you would not frozen your time 3 hour summer time you could freeze at 2 hours
Nov 11 21:44:04 <nschle85> so in summer the difference would not be 2 hours, it would be 1 hour :-)
Nov 11 21:44:46 <nschle85> so your country is running always the summer time
Nov 11 21:45:01 <nschle85> instead of winter/normal timew
Nov 11 21:45:03 <nschle85> timew
Nov 11 21:45:06 <nschle85> time
Nov 11 21:46:05 <PaulFertser> nschle85: i prefer to say that we were at UTC+3 with DST and now we're at UTC+4 all year round, sounds less confusing to me.
Nov 11 21:48:00 <nschle85> for me summer time (UTC+2) is also more comfortable than UTC+1
Nov 11 21:48:23 <nschle85> because in the evening we have longer sun
Nov 11 21:48:37 <mrmoku> nschle85: no borg... but a Dell laptop user with an AC adapter having a *very* short cable :/
Nov 11 21:49:18 <nschle85> ok, if you need a new ac adaptor, please tell me
Nov 11 21:49:40 <mrmoku> :P
Nov 11 21:50:22 <nschle85> we are dell premium super customers... so we decide to kill some notebooks... but adapors we have .........
Nov 11 21:50:46 <mrmoku> hehe, good to know
Nov 11 21:50:53 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: dangling symlink seems to be treated as if the file didn't exist
Nov 11 21:50:59 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I guess that is sort of ok
Nov 11 21:51:01 <mrmoku> I got two... the normal one and the one for car/plane/ac
Nov 11 21:51:10 <mrmoku> and that one has a very short cable
Nov 11 21:51:18 <nschle85> and you know where train station Ostbahnhof is ?
Nov 11 21:51:19 <mrmoku> but I can live with that :)
Nov 11 21:51:29 <mrmoku> me ?
Nov 11 21:51:59 <nschle85> yes you know ?
Nov 11 21:52:13 <mrmoku> sure... living in munich for around 40yrs :)
Nov 11 21:52:21 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: so would you like me to push it right now? http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/qi/0001-Fix-bug-introduced-in-f407b0626f0160fa8cca67c548c8de.patch verbatim?
Nov 11 21:52:37 <nschle85> wow i am not so old as you live in munich :-)
Nov 11 21:52:52 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 11 21:54:53 <mrmoku> nschle85: I'm off to drink a glas of wine with wifey now :) think about the bed please
Nov 11 21:55:11 <mrmoku> if you're sure you will come to essen and want a bed I better mail them fast
Nov 11 21:55:42 <PaulFertser> beds are overrated ;)
Nov 11 21:56:01 <mrmoku> :P
Nov 11 21:57:24 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: my wife convinced me I better not sleep in the car this time :)
Nov 11 21:57:33 <mrmoku> might get cold in december...
Nov 11 21:58:47 <mrmoku> anyway gnight all
Nov 11 21:59:29 <PaulFertser> good night
Nov 11 22:00:31 <PaulFertser> lindi-_: i'm afraid i've to sleep now, so will push tomorrow. Really appreciate your work, thanks again.
Nov 11 22:19:52 <lindi-_> PaulFertser: I'll keep testing this :)
Nov 11 22:20:44 <nschle85> dos1: ping
Nov 11 22:54:38 <nschle85> PaulFertser: do you also come to essen ?
Nov 11 23:50:20 <DocScrutinizer> st-ericsson, hmm. Allegedly some 70% of mobile phone chips worldwide. Might be an interesting employer
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