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Dec 24 07:59:57 <GNUtoo> what's connman used for?
Dec 24 08:19:52 <GNUtoo> or rather
Dec 24 08:19:58 <GNUtoo> why is connman used in fsogsmd
Dec 24 08:41:24 <JaMa|Off> GNUtoo: I think mrmoku is in itally till 30th or 31th
Dec 24 08:42:54 <JaMa|Off> 2011-12-22:07:34 < mrmoku> JaMa|Zzz: and from tomorrow to 31st I'm away in italy
Dec 24 08:55:47 <ilold9> morning
Dec 24 08:56:07 <ilold9> just updated http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1602
Dec 24 08:57:09 <ilold9> was there something like a compiler change in november?
Dec 24 09:00:11 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 24 09:00:34 <GNUtoo> JaMa|Off, btw I want to get rid of connmand and I sent a mail for that
Dec 24 09:12:47 <JaMa|Off> GNUtoo: yes seen that
Dec 24 09:37:29 <GNUtoo> JaMa|Off, are you really off?
Dec 24 09:37:35 <GNUtoo> because I've an issue
Dec 24 09:37:44 <GNUtoo> with the branch I pushed on meta-smartphone
Dec 24 09:37:47 <GNUtoo> it doesn't build
Dec 24 09:37:59 <GNUtoo> but in theory it should build
Dec 24 09:38:04 <GNUtoo> the issue is that:
Dec 24 09:38:20 <GNUtoo> CONFIG_USB_MUSB_OMAP2PLUS=y becomes CONFIG_USB_MUSB_OMAP2PLUS=m
Dec 24 09:38:34 <GNUtoo> I guess it's a bug in the kernel build system
Dec 24 09:38:38 <GNUtoo> or is it something else
Dec 24 09:38:39 <GNUtoo> ?
Dec 24 09:39:29 <JaMa|Off> mostly off
Dec 24 09:39:46 <JaMa|Off> isn't it depending on something which is =m?
Dec 24 09:40:03 <JaMa|Off> that way it changes =y to =m
Dec 24 09:47:54 <ilold9> linux.inc .... in october thumb was enabled for n900. is userspace also thumb or is this just optional. because if thumb is in use, that might be a problem.
Dec 24 09:48:34 <gnutoo_> it sometimes is but not always
Dec 24 09:52:01 <ilold9> yes, right. #1602 is consistent. the dmesg output just remembered me on some thumb problem I had on a similar omap device. 
Dec 24 09:53:21 <ilold9> yeah, not the exactly scientific bug analising of me.
Dec 24 10:10:50 <GNUtoo> JaMa|Off, I think it's depending on a not-present in defconfig option
Dec 24 10:19:18 <mickey|> moinmoin
Dec 24 10:21:07 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, hi
Dec 24 10:22:54 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r93b2ea73e872 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/at/atcommands.vala: fsogsmd: lib/atcommands: add static setting for +COPS for modems that deliver the alphanumerical status code in the configured charset - as opposed to GSM charset
Dec 24 10:24:01 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r13e40862adaf 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_option_gtm601/ (commands.vala plugin.vala): fsogsmd: modem_option_gtm601: remove custom +COPS implementation in favor of configuring the standard one properly
Dec 24 10:26:09 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, did you read my mail about fsogsmd and connmand
Dec 24 10:26:43 <mickey|> no, where did you send that to?
Dec 24 10:26:55 <GNUtoo> fso-userland  + shr-devel
Dec 24 10:27:19 <GNUtoo> wifi+bluetooth is broken on many devices since ages because of connmand
Dec 24 10:32:41 <mickey|> ok, will read and comment. i hope i can spend some time for FSO during the holidays
Dec 24 10:36:00 <mickey|> aha
Dec 24 10:36:18 * mickey| found proper description of AT_OWANCALL
Dec 24 10:39:41 <mickey|> dd yyyyysw b     hhhhhhhhh
Dec 24 10:40:05 <mickey|> dznnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Dec 24 10:41:08 <mickey|>              vxxx<, sorry... really tough to keep 
Dec 24 10:41:21 <mickey|> lara marie not typing when shes on my lap
Dec 24 10:48:06 <mickey|> are any gprs providers still using login/password these days or can we stop supporting that?
Dec 24 11:13:14 <pabs3> whats the advantage of not supporting it?
Dec 24 11:13:41 <mickey|> simplifies things on some modems a bit
Dec 24 11:13:56 <mickey|> since some modems have special vendorextensions for supplying username and passwor
Dec 24 11:13:57 <mickey|> d
Dec 24 11:14:06 <mickey|> not much of a burden, but still
Dec 24 11:15:09 <GNUtoo> no idea about user/password but APN is required
Dec 24 11:15:19 <mickey|> ya, that for sure
Dec 24 11:16:29 <pabs3> based on mobile-broadband-provider-info, it looks like there are quite a few. not sure if that is relevant in the mobile context though
Dec 24 11:51:46 <angelox|laptop> Good Morning
Dec 24 12:08:33 <GNUtoo> JaMa|Off, basically it put "USB Peripheral Controller" to m
Dec 24 12:08:55 <GNUtoo> and then... Inventra HDRC USB Peripheral (TI, ADI, ...) (USB_GADGET_MUSB_HDRC) get =m because of that
Dec 24 12:09:18 <GNUtoo> the problem is that "USB Peripheral Controller" is associated with no CONFIG_
Dec 24 14:14:41 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, can I add ifconfig up to the rfkill plugin?
Dec 24 14:14:59 <GNUtoo> because many machines have rfkill + ifconfig
Dec 24 14:56:31 <PaulFertser> The official way to enable/disable maximum powersaving for wifi devices is to bring interfaces up and down.
Dec 24 14:56:38 <PaulFertser> That's the direct answer from the maintainer.
Dec 24 14:56:47 <PaulFertser> rfkill has nothing to do with the powersaving.
Dec 24 14:57:59 <PaulFertser> And if you decide to control interfaces, it's probably best to use the netlink interface, the same as "ip" does.
Dec 24 14:59:58 <lindi-> PaulFertser: do you know what's the official way for bluetooth, gps and gsm too?
Dec 24 15:01:21 <GNUtoo> ah runtime PM
Dec 24 15:01:28 <GNUtoo> what's rfkill for?
Dec 24 15:03:27 <PaulFertser> lindi-: integrated bluetooth, gsm and gps can be handled by sysfs files, there seem to be no other sane way for that, as the devices completely disappear from the bus when they're powered off by a platform-specific method.
Dec 24 15:04:25 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: rfkill is a stupid idea to make it possible for the user to easily disable all "powerful enough" RF emissions from the device. It's like an "airplane mode". Absolutely useless, of course.
Dec 24 15:10:56 <PaulFertser> BTW, i think i want to buy some "netbook"-like device. What are the options for me?
Dec 24 15:17:19 <lindi-> at the moment most cheap laptops seem to be 15.6"
Dec 24 15:19:59 <alabd> Good day all , my SHR was ok for about year or more but have not used fr for a while after that SHR stops at booting page , why ?
Dec 24 15:20:07 <PaulFertser> I do not need the cheapest, i'd like something "free" and "cool" and small enough to be more portable than my current laptop.
Dec 24 15:22:26 <ege> I'm using Eee PC. It's very small and ligth weight
Dec 24 15:23:03 <PaulFertser> But Asus doesn't support free software...
Dec 24 15:23:29 <pabs3> how about http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ ?
Dec 24 15:23:33 <ege> Hmm I'm running with debian.
Dec 24 15:24:15 <ege> Only thing which does not work properly is soundcard, but I understand what you mean...
Dec 24 15:24:53 <PaulFertser> pabs3: touchbook sounds like it might be the thing, but so far i haven't heard positive reviews for it.
Dec 24 15:25:19 <PaulFertser> ege: soundcard should work fine, are you using the latest kernel?
Dec 24 15:26:00 <ege> no, I'm using debian sqeeze
Dec 24 15:26:03 * pabs3 wonders how this OS switching works http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/aios.htm
Dec 24 15:26:21 <ege> 2.6.32 Kernel
Dec 24 15:26:52 <ege> I read about newest kernel or alsa shoud fix it... but I was to lazy
Dec 24 15:28:01 <pabs3> ege: there are kernel backports: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports&searchon=sourcenames&keywords=linux-2.6
Dec 24 15:28:38 <ege> cool :)
Dec 24 15:28:44 <ege> thanks pabs3
Dec 24 15:28:45 <PaulFertser> ege: you can use newer alsa drivers with older kernel afair.
Dec 24 15:29:34 <ege> PaulFertser: I read about to compile own kernel _or_ alsa to get it to work correct
Dec 24 15:30:17 <ege> But I never really needed microphone (and speaker work)
Dec 24 15:30:45 <ege> And I have a USB-Soundcard/Headphone so I've a workaround.
Dec 24 15:43:01 <ege> does someone here own a nexus s or can tell me something about it?
Dec 24 15:44:35 <ege> does it support dual boot or something similar
Dec 24 16:07:37 <GNUtoo> ege|afk, yes it does support that
Dec 24 16:42:58 <ege> GNUtoo, cool, thanks
Dec 24 16:44:31 <GNUtoo> ege, look at the fso page of nexus S
Dec 24 16:55:07 <ege> GNUtoo, so "fastboot" is something the Nexus s or android supports? Is it real dual boot or do I have to replace the system?
Dec 24 16:57:48 <paulk> hi ege 
Dec 24 16:58:07 <paulk> fastboot is the utility to flash images on bootloaders used in android phones
Dec 24 16:59:51 <GNUtoo> ege, basically you can dual boot an SHR/FSO image only since it work that way:
Dec 24 16:59:58 <GNUtoo> you have 2 boot partitions
Dec 24 17:00:00 <GNUtoo> one is called boot
Dec 24 17:00:05 <GNUtoo> one is called recovery
Dec 24 17:00:30 <GNUtoo> so you create a fastboot image with a custom kernel and recovery
Dec 24 17:00:38 <GNUtoo> oops
Dec 24 17:00:45 <GNUtoo> so you create a fastboot image with a custom kernel and initramfs
Dec 24 17:00:57 <GNUtoo> you flash that in the recovery partition
Dec 24 17:01:18 <GNUtoo> and you use the usual trick to boot on recovery to boot your different kenrel
Dec 24 17:02:20 <ege> what's the usual trick?
Dec 24 17:02:28 <GNUtoo> it depend on your device
Dec 24 17:02:35 <GNUtoo> on nexus S you have 2 ways
Dec 24 17:02:54 <GNUtoo> if you run cyanogenmod or replicant you can ask it to reboot to the recovery
Dec 24 17:03:07 <GNUtoo> and you also have in the bootloader an option to boot from recovery
Dec 24 17:03:13 <GNUtoo> there is even a third way
Dec 24 17:03:19 <ege> cool :)
Dec 24 17:03:22 <GNUtoo> ./fastboot boot your_image.img
Dec 24 17:03:27 <GNUtoo> but that requires a computer
Dec 24 17:03:40 <GNUtoo> but in another hand....it doesn't flash anything
Dec 24 17:03:47 <GNUtoo> which you may want
Dec 24 17:03:59 <ege> that`s also fine for me. 
Dec 24 17:04:11 <ege> ATM I'm using GTA02
Dec 24 17:04:45 <ege> My wife likes to have a nexus s, 
Dec 24 17:05:04 <ege> I think she will use the installed/upgraded android
Dec 24 17:05:14 <ege> I may want to use SHR
Dec 24 17:05:38 <paulk> GNUtoo: btw, does the latest shr-core-stagging build has fixed telephony on nexus s?
Dec 24 17:06:07 <ege> So I have to create some partitions an than I'm able to boot the one or the other OS
Dec 24 17:07:08 <GNUtoo> paulk, I'll look after pushing my stuff for gta04
Dec 24 17:07:58 <paulk> GNUtoo: oh, don't bother, I'll do :)
Dec 24 17:08:33 <paulk> is the fastboot image somewhere? I don't have mine currently
Dec 24 17:09:20 <GNUtoo> you can build fastboot
Dec 24 17:09:44 <paulk> no, I mean the initramfs + kernel
Dec 24 17:10:29 <GNUtoo> ah not yet I must work on it
Dec 24 17:10:36 <GNUtoo> it's documented in fso wiki
Dec 24 17:11:21 <paulk> ok
Dec 24 17:11:22 <paulk> thanks
Dec 24 17:11:48 <paulk> GTA04 status in FSO/SHR seems already pretty impressive
Dec 24 17:12:03 <GNUtoo> the userspace is not adapted yet
Dec 24 17:12:14 <GNUtoo> yes the modem works and the kernel too
Dec 24 17:12:21 <GNUtoo> but lot of things don't work out of the box
Dec 24 17:12:26 <GNUtoo> that's why I must work on it
Dec 24 17:12:34 <paulk> ok
Dec 24 17:29:40 <paulk> btw, is anyone working on nokia N9?
Dec 24 18:14:57 <GNUtoo> pabs3, no one got one
Dec 24 18:14:59 <GNUtoo> oops
Dec 24 18:15:05 <GNUtoo> paulk-laptop, no one got one
Dec 24 18:15:11 <GNUtoo> sorry pabs3 it was for paulk-laptop 
Dec 24 18:15:34 <paulk-laptop> ok
Dec 24 18:15:35 <paulk-laptop> too bad
Dec 24 18:15:54 <GNUtoo> why?
Dec 24 18:16:01 <GNUtoo> how good is it?
Dec 24 18:16:24 <GNUtoo> do you have one?
Dec 24 18:16:27 <GNUtoo> I guess now
Dec 24 18:16:29 <GNUtoo> *not
Dec 24 18:16:36 <paulk-laptop> no I don't
Dec 24 18:16:45 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 24 18:17:03 <paulk-laptop> I just looked at the wikipedia page…
Dec 24 18:17:11 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 24 18:17:13 <paulk-laptop> it's OMAP, which is quite good
Dec 24 18:17:23 <GNUtoo> with proprietary bootloader I guess
Dec 24 18:17:29 <paulk-laptop> apparently, yes
Dec 24 18:17:49 <GNUtoo> and I'm not sure if it's tivoized until the point that you cannot boot your own kernel
Dec 24 18:17:53 <GNUtoo> I really don't remember
Dec 24 18:17:58 <GNUtoo> but you'll have to check it
Dec 24 18:18:11 <GNUtoo> at least AEGIS is in the image they ship
Dec 24 18:18:39 <paulk-laptop> what's that exactly?
Dec 24 18:19:34 <GNUtoo> "security" framework
Dec 24 18:19:52 <GNUtoo> that prevent the users from modifying things
Dec 24 18:20:00 <paulk-laptop> ok
Dec 24 18:20:07 <GNUtoo> but I guess they can run meego/mer/whatever
Dec 24 18:20:19 <GNUtoo> so I guess that if you can boot your own kernel it should be doable
Dec 24 18:20:46 <paulk-laptop> ok
Dec 24 18:47:16 <GNUtoo> paulk-laptop, ping
Dec 24 19:10:44 <paulk-laptop> GNUtoo: pong
Dec 24 19:11:31 <paulk-laptop> I'm back
Dec 24 19:57:23 <PaulFertser> I bet some of you guys have already seen "Smart Book" from always innovating.
Dec 24 20:01:57 <PaulFertser> Can i get some advice on that one please? :)
Dec 24 23:54:33 <pabs3> is SHR using g_phonet or g_ether?
Dec 24 23:56:06 <pabs3> why does http://wiki.freesmartphone.org not have a user registration page?
Dec 25 00:53:42 <DocScrutinizer> pabs3: LOL, good question. Ask mickeyl 
Dec 25 00:54:02 <pabs3> mickeyl: ^
Dec 25 00:54:18 <pabs3> it was noticed by enrico on #openmoko-debian
Dec 25 00:54:24 <DocScrutinizer> the page listed under "special pages" as "log in / create account" actually only shows login page
Dec 25 00:55:02 <DocScrutinizer> seems sth got messed up there
Dec 25 00:56:46 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I never looked at #openmoko-debian, though I actually should be admin there according to the name (well rather mickey as group owner shuld be)
Dec 25 00:57:53 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, lindi- 
Dec 25 00:58:20 <DocScrutinizer> ohwell, has enough mods and actually is registered
Dec 25 00:59:32 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not eager to get one more on my list of channels to mod
Dec 25 01:01:02 <DocScrutinizer> how are you guys at FSO dealing with orientation/display-rotation?
Dec 25 01:27:31 <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-25.log.html#t2011-12-25T01:49:03 ff
Dec 25 01:28:11 <DocScrutinizer> display orientation is a tricky thing, should get done right from beginning
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