**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 11 02:59:57 2012 Feb 11 07:37:45 OMG!!!!! Feb 11 07:37:59 I've installed SHR!!!!! Feb 11 07:41:20 \o/ Feb 11 07:41:22 on? Feb 11 08:02:18 Where I can download some cool packages? Feb 11 08:08:59 isnt there a repo Feb 11 09:52:28 Hi Feb 11 09:52:43 Anybody here ??? Feb 11 09:53:19 nope Feb 11 09:53:30 hi Feb 11 09:53:40 You know where I can download packages? Feb 11 09:54:24 check the wiki? Feb 11 09:54:28 i got no idea Feb 11 09:54:50 Oh Feb 11 10:36:03 michpo69: opkg install somepkg Feb 11 10:37:34 isnt there a frontend/gui Feb 11 10:39:17 there used to be back in the OpenMoko days, not sure if it is installed in SHR any more Feb 11 10:39:39 oh Feb 11 10:41:06 http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/03/05/opkg-and-packagekit/ Feb 11 10:42:14 I guess a new frontend would need to be written now that everything is EFL instead of GTK+ Feb 11 10:43:14 seems the opkg backend still exists: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html Feb 11 11:24:00 JaMa|Off, hi Feb 11 11:33:18 hi mickeyl Feb 11 11:33:26 is there a text interface to fso beside emacs? Feb 11 11:40:51 GNUtoo: what do you mean by text interface? Feb 11 11:40:58 like ncurse Feb 11 11:41:24 because the problem is that stuff like mdbus2 is not enough Feb 11 11:41:30 you need to register manually Feb 11 11:41:32 etc.. Feb 11 11:41:38 do a tons of things manually Feb 11 11:41:48 so I wondered if there was something like that Feb 11 11:41:52 but it doesn't seem so Feb 11 11:42:01 so I'll wait for enlightenment to be repaired Feb 11 12:50:29 Hi Feb 11 12:53:00 Anybody here!!??? Feb 11 13:38:15 Any body here????? Feb 11 13:39:40 michpo69: hi, probably yes :) Feb 11 13:40:27 nice Feb 11 13:40:51 You know where can I find packages??? Feb 11 13:41:45 which packages? Feb 11 13:41:46 what kind of packages? Feb 11 13:41:54 packages for your phone? Feb 11 13:43:13 Well, ALL :D Feb 11 13:43:18 Would be nice Feb 11 13:43:25 ? Feb 11 13:43:33 packages for your phone? Feb 11 13:43:36 I will show you what I'm thinking about Feb 11 13:43:49 http://www.jlime.com/downloads/repository/vargtass/ Feb 11 13:44:17 michpo69, packages for your phone? Feb 11 13:44:23 Yes Feb 11 13:44:29 I did it Feb 11 13:44:36 It works now :D Feb 11 13:44:38 ok then you forgott what I told yesterday: Feb 11 13:44:42 opkg update Feb 11 13:44:50 opkg install a_package_name Feb 11 13:44:57 Yes Feb 11 13:44:58 to find packages do: Feb 11 13:44:58 But Feb 11 13:45:05 opkg list | grep a_package_name Feb 11 13:45:10 I don't know what the package name is Feb 11 13:45:19 what are you looking for? Feb 11 13:45:44 opkg list | grep firefox Feb 11 13:45:53 firefox - 9.0.1-r0 - firefox version 9.0.1-r0 Feb 11 13:45:57 [...] Feb 11 13:46:04 opkg install firefox Feb 11 13:46:13 Well, I would like to read packages names and If i like it install it Feb 11 13:46:22 opkg list Feb 11 13:46:31 Is there aircrack-ng? Feb 11 13:46:42 no idea: opkg list | grep aircrack Feb 11 13:47:40 michpo69, I think there isn't Feb 11 13:47:55 you must port it from openembedded-classic Feb 11 13:48:01 it's easy Feb 11 13:48:12 You know how to personalize my account and how to go back to wallper ? Feb 11 13:48:32 yes there is a home button on the topbar Feb 11 13:48:34 press it Feb 11 13:48:54 Nothing happens Feb 11 13:48:55 and I don't know what you mean by personalize your account Feb 11 13:49:08 that's maybe because you are already on home Feb 11 13:49:28 do you see icons? Feb 11 13:50:21 yes Feb 11 13:50:32 then that's the desktop already Feb 11 13:50:44 to change the wallpaper look in the wrench Feb 11 13:50:57 then go in look Feb 11 13:51:00 then walpaper Feb 11 13:52:21 when I go to change wallper I have white screen ith one line on left Feb 11 13:53:16 click on picture Feb 11 13:54:11 I can press it long, only short click, nothing Feb 11 13:54:33 it works for me Feb 11 13:55:22 let me show you Feb 11 13:55:35 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/82caa496e057e30278cf190d0f3b02dd.png Feb 11 13:56:19 basically wrench->walpaper->picture Feb 11 13:56:23 then select the picture Feb 11 13:56:28 and press ok Feb 11 13:56:36 and then select centered Feb 11 13:56:40 and it should work Feb 11 13:57:25 I have only errors and errors Feb 11 13:57:27 if it doesn't work enable walpaper2 like that: Feb 11 13:57:32 did you add an image? Feb 11 13:57:44 like scp image.jpeg root@192.168.7.2:/home/root/ Feb 11 13:58:25 no because I wasn't using the phone it blocked screen and I had touch error and I couldn't unloc it Feb 11 13:58:26 else try: Feb 11 13:59:16 Is there any kind of "novaterm" or something? Feb 11 13:59:48 yes Feb 11 13:59:52 it's called ssh Feb 11 13:59:53 I don't have a touch pen and it's all hard to do with finger Feb 11 14:00:16 ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.1 Feb 11 14:00:21 ssh root@192.168.7.2 Feb 11 14:02:43 I can't type @ Feb 11 14:03:20 on your desktop? Feb 11 14:03:21 strange Feb 11 14:03:28 do that from your desktop Feb 11 14:03:43 then do Feb 11 14:03:49 ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.1 Feb 11 14:03:57 ssh -l root 192.168.7.2 Feb 11 14:04:19 I was doing that from phone Feb 11 14:04:35 I tough the phone was blocked Feb 11 14:04:44 then reboot your phone Feb 11 14:04:49 or do on your phone Feb 11 14:04:55 ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.2 Feb 11 14:05:10 and retry what I said on laptop with phone connected trough USB Feb 11 14:05:14 I've done 7.1 before Feb 11 14:05:17 ok Feb 11 14:05:32 does ubuntu you run have network manager? Feb 11 14:05:51 if so you should consider waiting until network-manager fail to find the phone Feb 11 14:05:52 I don't know. I only know its the newest ubuntu Feb 11 14:06:03 ok so you should have it Feb 11 14:06:19 You know. I have to change to linux. Now I can do nothink Feb 11 14:12:29 I'm back on ubuntu 11.10 Feb 11 14:12:49 also reboot your palm pre Feb 11 14:13:11 Okey, I rebooted and SHR is booting Feb 11 14:13:23 Done Feb 11 14:13:40 Connect pre to PC? Feb 11 14:13:42 then connect the usb cable Feb 11 14:13:49 and wait for network manager to fail Feb 11 14:13:51 and then do: Feb 11 14:14:04 ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.1 #on your PC Feb 11 14:14:17 ssh root@192.168.7.2 #on your pc Feb 11 14:14:27 Nothing happens Feb 11 14:14:38 Device is charging Feb 11 14:14:42 what do you mean? Feb 11 14:14:46 did you boot on SHR? Feb 11 14:14:47 Nothing else Feb 11 14:15:00 please try to give details Feb 11 14:15:16 Great... It locked again and I can't unlock it. But it's connected Feb 11 14:15:47 what do you mean by lock? Feb 11 14:15:56 if you're inside the phone you can disalbe the lock screen Feb 11 14:16:02 Yes, I booted SHR and after boot I conected the USB cable. Device started to charge, computer didn't do anything Feb 11 14:16:27 yes but are you inside it trough ssh? Feb 11 14:16:47 It's locked. Reoot it? Feb 11 14:16:51 reboot* Feb 11 14:17:03 what do you mean by locked Feb 11 14:17:08 and why can't you unlock Feb 11 14:17:22 Standard lock. Looks similar on iPhone Feb 11 14:17:26 ok Feb 11 14:17:31 then slide and unlock? Feb 11 14:17:43 or if it doesn't work, ssh into the phone Feb 11 14:17:58 doesn't work Feb 11 14:18:01 once you're inside the phone you can remove it from the command line easily Feb 11 14:18:03 why? Feb 11 14:18:09 whta's the error? Feb 11 14:18:12 *what's Feb 11 14:18:20 No, I can't slide, that's all Feb 11 14:18:35 then ssh into your phone Feb 11 14:18:38 Can I connect to SHR from computer now? Feb 11 14:18:44 Okey Feb 11 14:18:44 yes Feb 11 14:18:52 First if config? Feb 11 14:19:11 first look if the wifi bar is looking for a network Feb 11 14:19:21 and wait for it to finish Feb 11 14:20:54 well, It's Normal PC< not laptop. I don't have wifi Feb 11 14:21:13 ok Feb 11 14:21:22 look if the ethernet icon is active then Feb 11 14:21:28 it should be on ubuntu's top bar Feb 11 14:22:30 Well, process in terminal is not ending, and connection icon is as active as it was. Nothing has changed Feb 11 14:22:54 then try ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.1 Feb 11 14:23:00 ssh root@192.168.7.2 Feb 11 14:23:02 I unlocked it! Feb 11 14:23:45 ok Feb 11 14:23:59 how? Feb 11 14:24:09 But touch X stocked in one place and I can't move it Feb 11 14:24:23 I don't know how. I just tryied normal Feb 11 14:24:25 ? Feb 11 14:24:29 ok Feb 11 14:24:35 michal@root01:~$ ssh root@192.168.7.2 ssh: connect to host 192.168.7.2 port 22: Connection timed out Feb 11 14:24:48 then redo ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.1 Feb 11 14:24:52 and retry Feb 11 14:27:01 Sory it hanged Feb 11 14:27:16 how to change lock time out Feb 11 14:29:28 no idea Feb 11 14:29:32 maybe trough shell Feb 11 14:29:36 but running that command: Feb 11 14:29:42 Okey. I connected and now I'm trying ssh Feb 11 14:31:25 JaMa|Off, piiing Feb 11 14:31:43 JaMa|Off, everything is broken with reguard to Xorg+e stuff Feb 11 14:31:44 It's a little anoying. As I'm anoying to you :D Feb 11 14:32:19 Maybe I will uninstall it, and try ubuntu chroot first.... Feb 11 14:32:25 ? Feb 11 14:32:32 you mean SHR Feb 11 14:32:36 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Feb 11 14:32:51 if you're not able to ssh into it maybe you should Feb 11 14:33:06 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179657 Feb 11 14:33:26 usually SHR is for people confortable with the command line Feb 11 14:33:31 ubuntu chroot != ubuntu Feb 11 14:33:36 This to links will tell you everything. Feb 11 14:33:39 I mean there is no Xorg in ubuntu chroot Feb 11 14:33:46 Xorg? Feb 11 14:33:47 it will only run command line applications Feb 11 14:33:58 No Feb 11 14:33:59 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179657 Feb 11 14:34:02 no GUI in ubuntu chroot Feb 11 14:34:09 Hah! Feb 11 14:34:10 webos doesn't have vnc? Feb 11 14:34:22 maybe but it uses framebuffer Feb 11 14:34:29 directFB to be more exact Feb 11 14:34:30 webos doesn't. It had but now it hasn't Feb 11 14:34:41 SHR has VNC??? Feb 11 14:34:44 michpo69, ask in #webos-internals for ubuntu chroot Feb 11 14:34:49 michpo69, I don't know Feb 11 14:34:53 I mjust look Feb 11 14:35:02 michpo69: there is xtightvnc server which allows to run any X11 apps and access it via vnc Feb 11 14:35:08 not in SHR, but in general Feb 11 14:35:20 ./openembedded-core/meta/recipes-graphics/x11vnc/x11vnc_0.9.13.bb Feb 11 14:35:35 Did you see second link? Open it please Feb 11 14:36:19 michpo69, ok then there are GUI stuff Feb 11 14:36:56 I don't really know what I want Feb 11 14:36:58 ... Feb 11 14:37:08 Android would be best.... Feb 11 14:37:18 But it doesn't work with pre 2 Feb 11 14:37:37 pre - is not the same... Feb 11 14:38:21 IF you were looking for android on pre (-) I can send you link Feb 11 14:39:05 I was trying android with SHR kernel, but it doesn't work Feb 11 14:39:06 if it works with pre it should work with pre2 Feb 11 14:39:10 they are not so different Feb 11 14:39:14 yes Feb 11 14:39:18 just the machine config in the kernel is different Feb 11 14:39:25 But kernel compilation is needed Feb 11 14:39:35 also, android has telephony? Feb 11 14:39:40 SHR has telephony Feb 11 14:39:49 but for android I'm not sure they imported it from shr Feb 11 14:39:57 if they didn't => no telephony Feb 11 14:40:42 Iwant android ONLY for some apps Feb 11 14:40:42 also you could try to disconnect and reconnect your usb cable Feb 11 14:40:51 such as? Feb 11 14:41:04 Id on't know. speedex Feb 11 14:41:21 Webos has command line too if you like Feb 11 14:41:38 xecutach or somethink like that Feb 11 14:41:41 what's speedex? Feb 11 14:41:51 Jest tu wogle jakiƛ polak? Feb 11 14:42:22 Game in tube. Using accelerometr Feb 11 14:42:26 ok Feb 11 14:42:50 I even don't know how to quit from SHR Feb 11 14:43:05 And wifi is not working well Feb 11 14:43:09 if you had ssh working you could do everything Feb 11 14:43:12 indeed wifi is broken Feb 11 14:43:27 that's because palm used a proprietary wifi driver Feb 11 14:43:32 I should fix if I had the time Feb 11 14:44:30 I think I will uninstall it and install it again using 1GB less space Feb 11 14:44:46 try to make ssh work Feb 11 14:45:06 because reinstalling won't magically fix your problems Feb 11 14:45:08 ssh can tough Feb 11 14:45:11 Later i think. I'm tired Feb 11 14:45:41 Do you like SHR more than WebOS?? Feb 11 14:46:21 And how to turn device off? Feb 11 14:46:23 yes of course Feb 11 14:46:26 command line? Feb 11 14:46:33 there should be a power button Feb 11 14:46:43 if you unlocked the screen Feb 11 14:46:45 presss it Feb 11 14:46:50 What do you do on SHR? (power button is not working) Feb 11 14:46:57 and then a menu should appear with shutdown on it Feb 11 14:47:07 I use the freerunner as my main phone Feb 11 14:47:26 some time ago with shr-unstable I played some games too Feb 11 14:47:32 like wesnoth etc... Feb 11 14:47:43 went on IRC from my freeurnner Feb 11 14:47:58 went on internet using midori(was slow on freerunner tough) Feb 11 14:48:32 since my palm pre has a broken touchscreen I can't even try stuff on it Feb 11 14:48:48 altough I've made it boot again under SHR-core Feb 11 14:48:57 Oh... Feb 11 14:49:04 What is freerunner Feb 11 14:49:20 another phone, it's 100% supported by SHR Feb 11 14:49:33 and it's the most free as in freedom phone Feb 11 14:50:06 :D Feb 11 14:50:21 What screen resolution? Feb 11 14:50:28 480x640 Feb 11 14:50:33 the problem is that the CPU is slow Feb 11 14:50:44 armv4@400Mhz Feb 11 14:50:59 and it has a problematic 3d card that also handle microsd Feb 11 14:51:06 OMG!!!! wait a second Feb 11 14:51:57 Slowly read this: http://jlime.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=3133 Your phone is cool phone. Feb 11 14:53:41 What do you think? Cool, ha? Feb 11 14:53:44 yes there is gamerunner for it Feb 11 14:53:46 it's nice Feb 11 14:53:51 and well obtimized Feb 11 14:53:52 Very nice Feb 11 14:53:54 and it works well Feb 11 14:54:02 Very well Feb 11 14:54:24 What's the default OS on freerunner? Feb 11 14:54:31 GNU/Linux of course Feb 11 14:54:49 http://gamerunner.sourceforge.net/games.html Feb 11 14:55:08 aha, so, SHR is better> Feb 11 14:55:09 ?? Feb 11 14:55:27 better than what? Feb 11 14:55:37 it's an old phone Feb 11 14:55:45 so the original OS isn't developed anymore Feb 11 14:55:49 aha Feb 11 14:56:00 and SHR is the current OS along with some others like qtmoko and debian Feb 11 14:56:08 Ya... Anyway, SHR is not for me I think Feb 11 14:56:25 For linux devices Jornada is perfect Feb 11 14:56:45 do you have an opkg GUI on the jornada? Feb 11 14:56:59 how do you install software with the jornada? Feb 11 14:57:53 IceWM GUI Feb 11 14:58:01 And what jornada? Feb 11 14:58:33 I have only 360LX 2x 620LX (One is unused) and JORNADA 690 Feb 11 14:58:39 I mean if you want to install a package Feb 11 14:58:42 how do you do it Feb 11 14:58:43 ? Feb 11 14:58:47 trough command line? Feb 11 14:59:23 ipkg install Feb 11 14:59:27 Yes Feb 11 14:59:38 ok Feb 11 14:59:46 do you have wifi on it? Feb 11 15:00:22 Internet package downloading is not working well for me. It's just not working. They have changed repository site and I had to change it manually and it worked only half way Feb 11 15:00:36 I have WI Fi PCMCIA card Feb 11 15:00:41 ok Feb 11 15:00:45 NetGear 401A Feb 11 15:00:53 A401 Feb 11 15:00:59 I don't remember Feb 11 15:01:06 One of those two Feb 11 15:01:12 ok Feb 11 15:02:16 It's working with windows CE and Jlime Vargtass Feb 11 15:02:51 ok it was just to tell how to install packages from the network but you already know how to do it Feb 11 15:03:07 :D Feb 11 15:05:02 Well, I have to say good bye... I'm going out for 1h or longer. It way nice conversation. Thanks for patience and advices. I think you should watch something :D Feb 11 15:05:11 on TV of course Feb 11 15:05:16 :D Feb 11 15:05:21 Good bye Feb 11 15:05:21 ? Feb 11 15:05:36 I don't need to watch tv, I'm watching jlime on hp jornada on youtube Feb 11 15:05:38 bye Feb 11 15:27:55 can some1 help me Feb 11 15:28:36 *hello Feb 11 15:31:08 don't ask to ask and ask directly Feb 11 15:41:41 Hello! I want to ask you a question - it's not directly connected to shr but has been discussed in this chanel before (I saw this log http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko-cdevel/20101119.html.gz) I get this error /drivers/input/keyboard/omap-twl4030keypad.c:334: undefined reference to `keyb_led_set' Feb 11 15:43:05 while compiling nitdroid and since nobody can help me in their irc channel I ask you abut the solution - mrmoku and GNUtoo know it - please tell me :) Feb 11 15:43:41 kk so i was sent here to get a bootloader for android for samsung gt-s7722 cn u help me Feb 11 15:44:11 vakkov, I've nothing to do with nitdroid Feb 11 15:44:40 vakkov: obviously, the easiest way is to comment out the non-working code. the proper way is to figure out who broke it Feb 11 15:44:41 why are people sent here when we have nothing to do with the project they come from? Feb 11 15:45:03 vakkov, ah ok n900 kenrel Feb 11 15:45:07 yep .. Feb 11 15:45:17 grep for `keyb_led_set' in the knerel Feb 11 15:45:21 and find where it is defined Feb 11 15:45:57 so u cant help Feb 11 15:46:58 for QI bootloader I already helped Feb 11 15:47:07 I pointed you to a google code page Feb 11 15:47:14 I don't know more Feb 11 15:47:50 Thanks GNUtoo :) Feb 11 16:52:51 morphis please appear Feb 11 16:59:50 hi morphis Feb 11 17:00:06 heyho Feb 11 17:00:31 hi morphis Feb 11 17:00:42 GNUtoo: the suspend issue with GTA04 modem is fixed now? Feb 11 17:01:18 GNUtoo: I haven't looked at the other issue you mentioned yet Feb 11 17:02:12 morphis, I think the modem is fixed, sylon fixed it after you Feb 11 17:02:32 I should check but because enlightenment doesn't work fine I couldn't verify Feb 11 17:02:34 anyway Feb 11 17:02:40 I want to do a gps plugin Feb 11 17:02:50 how do I do that Feb 11 17:03:06 more precisely Feb 11 17:03:10 a GPS plugin? Feb 11 17:03:11 on one hand there is the quirk plugin Feb 11 17:03:12 for what? Feb 11 17:03:16 gta04 Feb 11 17:03:27 basically the power management of it Feb 11 17:03:36 ok, so only regarding power management? Feb 11 17:03:53 no about another protocol or exposing the data to a client? Feb 11 17:03:53 yes for the resource Feb 11 17:03:57 no Feb 11 17:03:59 ok Feb 11 17:04:08 and it's different to all other devices we have? Feb 11 17:05:04 let me explain Feb 11 17:05:17 it is handled by rfkill AND a sysfs Feb 11 17:05:20 so we need both Feb 11 17:05:24 hence the problem Feb 11 17:05:33 I cannot use rfkill because you will scream at me Feb 11 17:06:29 I mean adding an echo foo > /sys/.../enable won't be great in rfkill plugin Feb 11 17:06:36 there is already ifconfig and bluetooth starting there Feb 11 17:07:01 jepp, I don't really like this at all Feb 11 17:07:14 the main problem is that we have one plugin per resource Feb 11 17:07:18 so how do I handle that Feb 11 17:07:23 as there is too muc logic in one thing Feb 11 17:07:32 I cannot have one part in quirks and one part in rfkill.... Feb 11 17:08:01 you can Feb 11 17:08:12 but that requires changes in the way fsodeviced does rfkill handling Feb 11 17:08:12 so 2 different plugins Feb 11 17:08:16 can handle one resource? Feb 11 17:08:25 I am thinking about something like this Feb 11 17:08:29 ok Feb 11 17:08:32 - one general rfkill handler Feb 11 17:08:34 it worked some time ago Feb 11 17:08:35 ok Feb 11 17:08:45 we could have rfkill and ifconfig plugin Feb 11 17:08:48 and it worked Feb 11 17:08:51 with htcdream Feb 11 17:08:52 this general one only request/release the rfkill Feb 11 17:08:55 it shouldn't have worked Feb 11 17:08:57 but it did Feb 11 17:09:06 then we have listeners for this Feb 11 17:09:15 which have to register at the general rfkill handling core Feb 11 17:09:20 for power up/down events Feb 11 17:09:27 and then can do things after power up/down Feb 11 17:09:40 like starting bluetoothd or powering up WiFi interface Feb 11 17:09:44 or setting some sysfs noe Feb 11 17:09:47 s/noe/node Feb 11 17:10:04 so you say there is only a sysfs needed to get it working? Feb 11 17:10:29 yes Feb 11 17:10:31 that's all Feb 11 17:10:40 for the resource I mean Feb 11 17:10:43 else it uses NMEA Feb 11 17:10:47 ok Feb 11 17:10:48 so it needs gpsd Feb 11 17:10:50 etc... Feb 11 17:10:53 then do the following Feb 11 17:10:58 and it needs fso-gpsd removed Feb 11 17:11:07 - implement the sysfs handling for now in the kernel26_rfkill plugin Feb 11 17:11:17 but execute it only if machine is GTA04! Feb 11 17:11:26 then send me the patch for review Feb 11 17:11:40 I will take a look and then push for you Feb 11 17:11:50 I will rework the kernel26_rfkill stuff then for you Feb 11 17:11:54 so we have a clean solution Feb 11 17:12:28 but otherwise we can create a listener for the power control events Feb 11 17:12:36 maybe thats the better way Feb 11 17:12:41 as we have two different things here Feb 11 17:12:44 the resource handling Feb 11 17:12:50 and the effect the resource handling has Feb 11 17:13:02 and the resource power control API already exposes that the power status changes Feb 11 17:13:05 ok Feb 11 17:13:19 please let me think about this some minutes Feb 11 17:13:39 ok I'll wait some minutes Feb 11 17:13:40 you can start to prepare the patch for the solution I mentioned Feb 11 17:13:47 I will decide then what we will do Feb 11 17:13:54 ok Feb 11 17:14:11 I also need to eat at some point Feb 11 17:14:17 maybe we could do that Feb 11 17:14:21 in rfkill plugin Feb 11 17:14:24 we run a function Feb 11 17:14:27 at the end Feb 11 17:14:34 that the machine plugin overrides Feb 11 17:14:38 in quirks Feb 11 17:15:24 guys, sorry, but could you quickly describe how bt works in shr? who enables rfkill and who launches hciattach? Feb 11 17:15:53 Alex[sp3dev], we're just talking about how to do it better Feb 11 17:16:34 GNUtoo: i mean, is there a thing that makes sure power goes before hciattach and the shutdown is in the reverse order? Feb 11 17:18:28 Alex[sp3dev], basically the way to do it currently doen't fit your use case Feb 11 17:18:40 Alex[sp3dev], and I've the exact same problem with gta04 Feb 11 17:18:44 so morphis will fix it Feb 11 17:20:03 Alex[sp3dev], btw can you resend updated patches for cornucopia(the configs) Feb 11 17:47:11 GNUtoo: i will do some time later Feb 11 17:51:13 ok Feb 11 18:35:10 hi radekp Feb 11 18:35:17 how did you handle GPS for gta04? Feb 11 18:35:56 morphis, I've a huge problem with GPS Feb 11 18:36:02 the interface is awfull Feb 11 18:36:24 the interface is the following: Feb 11 18:36:26 echo 0 >/sys/devices/virtual/gpio/gpio145/value Feb 11 18:36:26 echo 1 >/sys/devices/virtual/gpio/gpio145/value Feb 11 18:36:29 but.... Feb 11 18:36:54 that represents an impulse Feb 11 18:37:01 and it is also said in the docs: Feb 11 18:37:02 each impulse appears to toggle between standby and active Feb 11 18:37:14 and the state stays across reboots Feb 11 18:37:17 so.... Feb 11 18:37:19 for instance Feb 11 18:37:33 if it's on an impulse put it on standby Feb 11 18:37:47 and if it's standby it put it on Feb 11 18:37:55 and the state isn't reset at boot Feb 11 18:37:57 ouch Feb 11 18:38:20 morphis, what should I do then: implement gpsd first Feb 11 18:38:26 and then read from gpsd if there is some input Feb 11 18:38:33 if there is => impulse == off Feb 11 18:38:42 if there isn't => impulse == on Feb 11 18:38:49 ? Feb 11 18:39:06 ping JaMa|Off Feb 11 18:39:24 I'll install aurora Feb 11 18:39:31 if enlightenemnt ooms Feb 11 19:03:00 GNUtoo: where the documentation for the GPS chip and it's power up/down sequence? Feb 11 19:03:17 morphis, here: Feb 11 19:03:23 http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/GPS/ Feb 11 19:03:36 morphis, what's the last message you saw from me? Feb 11 19:05:04 GNUtoo: "if enlightenemnt ooms" Feb 11 19:05:13 ok so you got everything Feb 11 19:05:19 GNUtoo: so only one 0 -> 1 cycle for the sysfs node Feb 11 19:05:21 yes Feb 11 19:05:40 not exactly Feb 11 19:05:44 0, 1 cycle Feb 11 19:05:55 1,0 does nothing Feb 11 19:05:59 and then the antenna power Feb 11 19:06:06 antenna power is not needed Feb 11 19:06:06 yes Feb 11 19:06:09 ok Feb 11 19:06:13 so only 0, 1 Feb 11 19:06:13 there is an internal antenna Feb 11 19:06:15 yes Feb 11 19:06:20 and of course rfkill Feb 11 19:06:38 ok Feb 11 19:06:47 GNUtoo: in general that should be done in a _quirks plugin Feb 11 19:07:14 the huge problem is that the only reliable way to find out if it's on or off Feb 11 19:07:19 is reading the GPS data Feb 11 19:07:25 like if some data comes in => on Feb 11 19:07:28 else => off Feb 11 19:07:43 so we need to add some code talking to gpsd in the quirk plugin Feb 11 19:08:47 what? Feb 11 19:09:00 when doing 0, 1 it's not reliable that the GPS is really on? Feb 11 19:09:21 the problem is that the state stays across reboots Feb 11 19:09:27 so you do 0,1 and it's on Feb 11 19:09:29 so you do 0,1 and it's off Feb 11 19:09:35 but then you boot qtmoko Feb 11 19:09:43 and then you reboot on fso Feb 11 19:09:46 and the state is lost Feb 11 19:09:54 baaah thats some kind of ugly ... Feb 11 19:09:58 at boot the sate is the same than previously Feb 11 19:10:10 and there is no other way Feb 11 19:10:23 what's ugly? Feb 11 19:10:29 the hardware interface? Feb 11 19:10:35 or the way to handle it Feb 11 19:10:36 yes Feb 11 19:10:37 or both Feb 11 19:10:42 the hardware interface Feb 11 19:10:47 ok indeed Feb 11 19:11:05 there is now way to determine if the GPS is on? Feb 11 19:13:03 ok, so we're needing some data-received functionality to determine if it's on or not Feb 11 19:13:20 we should not create a fsodeviced -> gpsd bridge for that Feb 11 19:13:23 apart reading from serial port or gpsd Feb 11 19:13:31 ok Feb 11 19:13:36 then reading from serial port is the solutio Feb 11 19:13:47 I will add some kind of hooks for the rfkill thing Feb 11 19:13:48 but then we have some issues Feb 11 19:14:00 because it will conflict with gpsd Feb 11 19:14:26 gpsd is running all the time? Feb 11 19:14:35 we must look Feb 11 19:15:12 I don't really looked at GPS integration in FSO Feb 11 19:15:21 ok Feb 11 19:15:52 and even worse..... Feb 11 19:16:01 ok Feb 11 19:16:01 GPS needs to be off for suspend Feb 11 19:16:05 so I really need it Feb 11 19:16:18 I cannot just skip GPS Feb 11 19:16:28 GNUtoo: nobody talks about skipping GPS Feb 11 19:16:36 I know Feb 11 19:16:42 I'll refrase Feb 11 19:16:43 but maybe we should defer a real implementation and first analyse the situation Feb 11 19:16:53 to get basic telephony + suspend I need GPS handled Feb 11 19:16:53 as thats something we need to solve in general Feb 11 19:16:57 so I need it soon Feb 11 19:17:04 why you need GPS for that? Feb 11 19:17:14 if GPS is on the phone can't suspend Feb 11 19:17:27 then it should be off Feb 11 19:17:29 it wakes up right after Feb 11 19:17:39 yes but the problem is how to put it off.... Feb 11 19:17:46 we need to handle that Feb 11 19:17:50 GNUtoo: yes Feb 11 19:18:26 but I think GPS is a problem we need to solve in general and until we didn't solved it in general we should not support it Feb 11 19:18:34 otherwise we get a solution which is not ready Feb 11 19:18:39 and is buggy Feb 11 19:18:43 hmmm Feb 11 19:18:51 we have a lot of other things to get done first Feb 11 19:18:54 how much time will it take to handle GPS in general? Feb 11 19:19:01 I can handle telephony in parallel Feb 11 19:19:21 like better handling of sound during calls Feb 11 19:19:26 better alsa scenarios Feb 11 19:19:26 GNUtoo: I can't say anything about time as I don't know much about it Feb 11 19:19:32 but I really need GPS soon Feb 11 19:19:43 GNUtoo: yes, you need it Feb 11 19:19:50 but thing in the context of the project Feb 11 19:19:58 don't thing too much in your personal mind Feb 11 19:20:01 what do you think of my idea about the rfkill handling Feb 11 19:20:04 otherwise we can't succeed Feb 11 19:20:06 with overrides Feb 11 19:20:40 how you want to implement the "override"? Feb 11 19:20:43 in the context of the project I see it like that Feb 11 19:20:51 like you call a dummy function Feb 11 19:21:10 for instance after handling rfkill or before(depends if it's on or off) Feb 11 19:21:17 hm, in general yes Feb 11 19:21:18 and the quirks plugin override that dummy function Feb 11 19:21:24 but thats a little bit more complex Feb 11 19:21:29 yes Feb 11 19:21:32 it would solve that power on/off thing Feb 11 19:21:37 yes Feb 11 19:21:48 but doesn't solve the gpsd/power status thing Feb 11 19:21:51 and the gpsd would be handled in quirk Feb 11 19:21:59 it would solve it too Feb 11 19:22:04 rfkill has a state Feb 11 19:22:06 yes Feb 11 19:22:09 only the sysfs doens't Feb 11 19:22:20 so to do sysfs or not you would do in quirk Feb 11 19:22:22 but I would really like to see the big picture instead of this specific thing Feb 11 19:22:24 and read from gpsd Feb 11 19:22:29 yes ok Feb 11 19:22:33 but I see it that way: Feb 11 19:22:39 we have 1 supported device Feb 11 19:22:40 otherwise we only patch our software all the time Feb 11 19:22:40 the gta02 Feb 11 19:22:46 and don't evolve it Feb 11 19:22:46 gta04 has issue finding people Feb 11 19:22:51 for buying it Feb 11 19:22:57 because the distros are not ready Feb 11 19:23:04 and the distros like SHR need new phones Feb 11 19:23:16 yes thats the general problem Feb 11 19:23:27 but the problem is that we can't get all features working Feb 11 19:23:28 so if we don't support it fast enough we'll face the consequences Feb 11 19:23:35 yes I know Feb 11 19:23:41 that's why I need: Feb 11 19:23:46 so focus the work to the most important features Feb 11 19:23:47 * telephony Feb 11 19:23:49 * GPS Feb 11 19:23:52 as fast as possible Feb 11 19:23:58 and supend Feb 11 19:24:02 remove GPS from the list Feb 11 19:24:07 basically to use it as a feature phone Feb 11 19:24:09 it's already too much Feb 11 19:24:11 but GPS is needed for suspend Feb 11 19:24:19 no Feb 11 19:24:23 if you never power it on Feb 11 19:24:25 it needs to be off Feb 11 19:24:27 ok Feb 11 19:24:29 you have no problem Feb 11 19:24:36 thats some kind of definition Feb 11 19:24:40 then I just don't handle it and work on telephony Feb 11 19:24:53 if we decide for SHR that GPS should ever be off its ok Feb 11 19:24:56 yes Feb 11 19:25:10 I'll ask radekp Feb 11 19:25:13 if somebody turns on GPS and then has bugs like suspend is not working Feb 11 19:25:13 radekp, hi Feb 11 19:25:15 it's not a bug Feb 11 19:25:21 it's just not supported Feb 11 19:25:29 ok Feb 11 19:25:40 then we must tell the user to ensure that the GPS is off Feb 11 19:25:43 and nobody says that we support coexistence with other distributions on the device Feb 11 19:25:48 GNUtoo: yes Feb 11 19:25:57 like a warning Feb 11 19:26:08 wifi works if the user opkg install the non-free firmware Feb 11 19:26:10 GNUtoo: the first thing we should do is getting the release out Feb 11 19:26:14 2012.01 Feb 11 19:26:15 so it's already a good thing Feb 11 19:26:17 ok Feb 11 19:26:33 then I should do something for gta04 or not? Feb 11 19:26:46 because we really need gta04 somehow supported Feb 11 19:26:50 GNUtoo: I don't know much about the state of the GTA04 Feb 11 19:26:59 but all I know is that there is no plan in general Feb 11 19:27:01 morphis, it's in a good state kernel wise Feb 11 19:27:07 GNUtoo: but for SHR Feb 11 19:27:13 wifi is working Feb 11 19:27:19 if you opkg install linux-firmware Feb 11 19:27:27 telephony somehow works Feb 11 19:27:44 you can make a phone call Feb 11 19:27:50 reliable? Feb 11 19:27:52 you can't recieve phone calls tough Feb 11 19:28:06 because if it rings you get no sound then Feb 11 19:28:33 morphis, even gta02 is not reliable Feb 11 19:28:41 I should add a fix suspend bug Feb 11 19:28:45 for gta02 Feb 11 19:28:51 in SHR Feb 11 19:29:42 because we use 2.6.39 which has some suspend bugs Feb 11 19:29:48 GNUtoo: our main problem is that we have no HEAD of development which leads people through development Feb 11 19:29:51 lindi-, looked at it but didn't fix everything Feb 11 19:30:05 thats the problem why SHR does not evolve Feb 11 19:30:05 morphis, who should be the head then? Feb 11 19:30:13 all peoples are still working on their own Feb 11 19:30:17 no Feb 11 19:30:28 SHR is JaMa|Off + me Feb 11 19:30:31 that's all Feb 11 19:30:35 that's the problem Feb 11 19:30:39 whats with mrmoku ? Feb 11 19:30:39 2 people Feb 11 19:30:49 he's busy with real life problems Feb 11 19:30:52 I don't know more Feb 11 19:31:31 then of course I waited the whole day for you to talk to you Feb 11 19:31:34 so that slows me down Feb 11 19:31:47 GNUtoo: yes, I have a real life too and have to work :) Feb 11 19:31:56 ok Feb 11 19:32:06 GNUtoo: and my focus is FSO Feb 11 19:32:14 in general Feb 11 19:32:16 ok Feb 11 19:32:34 about SHR, I got a gta04 for free so I've to work on it Feb 11 19:32:38 so I understand the problem with SHR Feb 11 19:32:45 so I could concentrate on gta02 + gta04 Feb 11 19:33:01 but I can't really support SHR in detail as then I can't spend the time on FSO side Feb 11 19:33:01 maybe I fix gta02 suspend issues Feb 11 19:33:05 and then handle gta04 Feb 11 19:33:30 yes that's why I wanted to talk to you, for fso stuff, not for shr stuff Feb 11 19:34:39 morphis, so what do you think? Feb 11 19:34:44 gta02 and then gta04? Feb 11 19:35:03 gta02 has only some suspend bug in the kernel Feb 11 19:35:09 fix that first Feb 11 19:35:11 I've added a fix for one Feb 11 19:35:12 btw. I have to leave Feb 11 19:35:16 rest 2 fixes Feb 11 19:35:18 to do Feb 11 19:35:25 GNUtoo: do GTA02 support first Feb 11 19:35:31 then continue GTA04 telephony Feb 11 19:35:32 with the coperation of lindi- (he did most of the work) Feb 11 19:35:40 (I only imported the fixes) Feb 11 19:35:43 ok Feb 11 19:35:55 bye Feb 11 20:13:12 JaMa|Off, ping ping ping Feb 11 21:22:56 lindi-, ping Feb 11 21:23:10 the fix in the bugreport for the alsa suspend bug doesn't work Feb 11 21:24:16 GNUtoo: can you reply to the bug report with details? Feb 11 21:24:23 ok Feb 11 22:15:10 JaMa|Off, ping Feb 11 22:15:18 lindi-, I commented, are the comments ok? Feb 11 22:15:41 GNUtoo: I replied Feb 11 22:15:47 ok Feb 11 22:20:17 lindi-, I replied Feb 11 22:21:52 ahhh maybe I know why you saw it fixed Feb 11 22:22:13 you must suspend again to get it work Feb 11 22:22:14 GNUtoo: yeah you are not following the steps :) Feb 11 22:22:26 but what I did is still a bug? Feb 11 22:22:39 GNUtoo: I think so yes Feb 11 22:22:54 then I'll follow the steps now Feb 11 22:23:06 but before I'll comment on how to workarround Feb 11 22:23:47 GNUtoo: I have a feeling that .suspend does not get called in your case since the audio path is in use Feb 11 22:23:53 GNUtoo: can you verify that with systemtap? Feb 11 22:23:54 ok Feb 11 22:24:04 I'll have to learn how to use systemtap Feb 11 22:24:05 3.x has reworked this code completely now Feb 11 22:24:09 wow Feb 11 22:24:18 so it might fix this as a side effect too Feb 11 22:24:35 GNUtoo: yeah do learn systemtap, helps in the future too Feb 11 22:25:12 was just testing shiny new systemtap 1.7 on openmoko Feb 11 22:41:38 lindi-, I replied Feb 11 22:45:59 GNUtoo: uhm, I'm not entirely sure if I understand you :/ Feb 11 22:46:45 what post? Feb 11 22:46:47 GNUtoo: if you stop all extra fso daemons and follow the steps exactly what are the actual results from each step? Feb 11 22:46:52 GNUtoo: the posts don't have numbers Feb 11 22:47:17 ah, they do: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2478#comment:18 Feb 11 22:47:50 it's not related to daemons Feb 11 22:47:55 but only to /etc/asound.conf Feb 11 22:48:13 basically it's a software volume definition in /etc/asound.conf Feb 11 22:48:17 GNUtoo: well test with asound.conf from debian or something then? Feb 11 22:48:35 I'll test with no asound.conf Feb 11 22:54:54 lindi-, it's not clear on the bugreport what step to keep running and what step not to keep running Feb 11 22:55:02 I did the howto once more Feb 11 22:55:11 GNUtoo: that I agree Feb 11 22:55:24 and the diff between the 2 steps is none Feb 11 22:55:36 (steps3 and step6 are identicals) Feb 11 22:55:43 but....no sound at resume Feb 11 22:55:52 GNUtoo: all steps are sequential Feb 11 22:55:57 Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy on step7 Feb 11 22:56:02 GNUtoo: so assume "timeout 10 speaker-test -t sine" for example Feb 11 22:56:18 so I should do all steps are to be done in the same console Feb 11 22:56:20 GNUtoo: identical steps are there because their results were different Feb 11 22:56:22 I didn't understand that Feb 11 22:57:01 I did try to be as clear as possible :) Feb 11 22:57:14 no I meant the step3.state and step6.state are identical Feb 11 22:57:27 good, they should Feb 11 22:58:16 ok Feb 11 22:58:29 but since I did that: Feb 11 22:58:45 steps 1 to 4 sequencial Feb 11 22:58:55 open a new console for step 5 to 7 Feb 11 22:59:15 (steps 5 to 7 were run in a new console) Feb 11 22:59:31 yeah, not what I intended :) Feb 11 22:59:35 ok Feb 11 23:00:05 but still it's a problem Feb 11 23:00:13 maybe I should open a new bugreport? Feb 11 23:00:23 yep I agree there is probably still a bug Feb 11 23:00:28 yeah, please do :) Feb 11 23:00:51 so next time I have time to look at this I can remember exactly what to do Feb 11 23:20:16 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * r09e0a4a2277c 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/ (linux-2.6.39/shr.patch linux_2.6.39.bb): meta-openmoko: linux-2.6.39 (for gta02): fix openmoko bug #2478 Feb 11 23:42:16 GNUtoo: if you use a wav file in the bug report you need to attach it ... Feb 11 23:42:34 ok lol Feb 11 23:42:39 that's why I was using speaker-test Feb 11 23:42:45 to avoid having to attach some huge files Feb 11 23:42:49 ok Feb 11 23:42:56 I'll use speaker-test then Feb 11 23:43:11 the wav file is creative common anyway **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 12 02:59:56 2012