**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 18 02:59:58 2012 Feb 18 03:25:58 i hope they sent ya'll free phones. Feb 18 11:24:30 lindi-: hey, so how do i provide the testsuite results, what am i to do? Please give me a hint. Feb 18 11:27:43 PaulFertser: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/systemtap/autopkgtest/upstream-testsuite in the unpacked source directory Feb 18 11:29:16 lindi-: sudo? Feb 18 11:29:35 PaulFertser: yes, root is needed Feb 18 11:29:47 PaulFertser: or membership in stapusr & stapdev groups Feb 18 11:37:18 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * rba3362674d88 10/packages/armv7a-vfp-neon-oe-linux-gnueabi/ (604 files in 604 dirs): Build 201202181114 of shr 20120218 for machine crespo on shr-chroot Feb 18 11:40:45 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rd8a325e870d2 10/meta-shr/recipes-extended/polkit/polkit_0.104.bbappend: Revert "polkit: disable systemd support explicitly until we switch completely" Feb 18 11:45:52 lindi-: a quick solution to ./execrc: 1: eval: runtest: not found ? (sorry for not being more clueful atm) Feb 18 11:49:42 PaulFertser: apt-get install dejagnu Feb 18 12:01:28 lindi-: btw, i was crosscompiling yesterday and told stap to use -r and showed it to the kernel tree. And it used .ko from the modules_install directory which was stripped instead of using the non-stripped from the build directory. Feb 18 12:06:14 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r2b4eb2d2c5a0 10/images/crespo/eglibc/chroot-image/ (10 files): Build 201202181251 of shr 20120218 for machine crespo on shr-chroot Feb 18 12:06:29 Heh, it looks like having the kernel source tree on another machine and using it with sshfs over wireless is not the way to go :( Feb 18 12:12:41 PaulFertser: why do you need kernel source tree? Feb 18 12:17:36 lindi-: well, i assume the build tree is needed for stap to compile the modules. Feb 18 12:17:51 PaulFertser: no you just need the linux-headers* package Feb 18 12:17:56 PaulFertser: and linux-image*-dbg Feb 18 12:18:12 lindi-: when i self-compile kernels i do not package them... Feb 18 12:18:33 you should, it makes things so much nicer :) Feb 18 12:25:15 lindi-: i currently do "emacs blablabla; git blablabla; make uImage modules modules_install; rsync blablabla; scp .../uImage root@ac100.paulfertser.info:/boot/ . And u-boot fetches uImage from there. Feb 18 12:27:08 I mean are you saying the proper debian way is more faster and convenient? Feb 18 12:29:11 PaulFertser: well you get build logs, changelogs, signed git tags that correspond to the releases you've made, repositories you can share to others... Feb 18 12:29:41 lindi-: that's a completely different usecase. Feb 18 12:29:53 PaulFertser: it becomes inconvenient mainly when you have too many useless modules to compile Feb 18 12:30:25 lindi-: yeah, that too Feb 18 12:30:26 PaulFertser: and it works with all existing debian tools like systemtap easily :) Feb 18 13:57:52 lindi-: here's what i'm getting currently (not finished yet): http://paulfertser.info/systemtap-testsuite-results.log Does it make any sense or should i stop and amend something to be it of any use? (sorry for less-than-smart questions again) Feb 18 13:58:20 lindi-: and btw, big thanks for inspiring me to try systemtap! Feb 18 13:58:57 PaulFertser: "ERROR: kill: invalid option -- '2' Feb 18 13:59:01 PaulFertser: that looks very weird Feb 18 14:00:14 PaulFertser: on my system I see http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/systemtap/systemtap_1.7-1~try1.sum Feb 18 14:00:51 PaulFertser: does something simple like "stap -v -e 'probe begin { println("hello"); exit(); }'? Feb 18 14:05:02 lindi-: http://paste.debian.net/156739/ Feb 18 14:24:45 PaulFertser: ok so that works Feb 18 15:37:26 heya, PaulFertser lindi- :-D Feb 18 15:38:21 still fsckng with kernels the hackish way ? ;-D Feb 18 15:38:42 hmm? Feb 18 15:38:51 systemtap Feb 18 15:38:55 Hi Feb 18 15:38:59 What is IMAGE_ROOTFS_EXTRA_SPACE? Feb 18 15:39:38 DocScrutinizer: yeah why would I stop using systemtap :P Feb 18 15:40:00 nah, it's a hard drug for hackers, never get sober again Feb 18 15:40:39 most likely will kill you but it's just too addicting Feb 18 15:42:24 OT Feb 18 15:42:30 ~ # uname -a Feb 18 15:42:31 Linux homematic 2.6.21.3 #2 Tue Dec 13 16:15:47 CET 2011 armv4tl unknown Feb 18 15:42:50 suckers have no GPL notice Feb 18 15:43:12 and a script languge that makes you throw up more than you knew you ate Feb 18 15:43:31 http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=156 Feb 18 15:44:43 integer i = "WTF" !this is a comment, i=string Feb 18 15:45:43 * DocScrutinizer runs for bathroom like the 15th time last 24h Feb 18 15:54:21 DocScrutinizer: what's homematic? my german is quite weak Feb 18 15:54:58 home automation/control Feb 18 15:55:19 sensors/actors and CCU is Central Control Unit Feb 18 15:55:46 DocScrutinizer: they have both hardware and software? Feb 18 15:55:54 yup, sure Feb 18 15:56:19 wireless too? Feb 18 15:56:20 software, well, they have a linux with apache webUI on that CCU Feb 18 15:56:32 wireless AES bidir Feb 18 15:56:52 so absolutely OK for my door lock Feb 18 15:56:58 and keyring Feb 18 15:57:11 oh, it's also for opening doors? Feb 18 15:57:17 costs more than gold though Feb 18 15:57:38 but the door lock never failed since 3 years Feb 18 15:58:00 (actually it failed once, when battery alert went unnoticed or didn't kick in) Feb 18 15:58:13 I wonder how well they actually did the crypto :) Feb 18 15:58:29 hmm, seems god enough Feb 18 15:58:33 good Feb 18 15:58:45 I'm currently in contact with a SIP phone vendor made all the possible mistakes you can make Feb 18 15:58:50 won't name it yet :) Feb 18 15:59:02 usual Feb 18 15:59:23 DocScrutinizer: homematic probably doesn't document the protocols or anything like that? Feb 18 15:59:35 you bet they don't Feb 18 15:59:54 they don't even document their linux they exploit for CCU Feb 18 16:00:28 my home automation is all done using unencrypted messages over 433 MHz :) Feb 18 16:00:55 anyway crypto is just "good enough" in a sense of "will take more effort to crack than the door itself" Feb 18 16:01:15 433 EEEW Feb 18 16:01:28 toy band Feb 18 16:02:41 almost worse than 2.4GHz Feb 18 16:03:14 well it's so common that I can get temperature readings also from neighbours :) Feb 18 16:03:22 sure Feb 18 16:03:47 I get the same with my 20bucks RC weather station-clock Feb 18 16:04:30 and I can also sniff my car keys Feb 18 16:04:39 haha Feb 18 16:04:54 yeah, those are quite nasty Feb 18 16:05:01 lots of exiting things at 433 MHz Feb 18 16:05:06 exciting even Feb 18 16:06:18 the only thing that pissed me with homematic keyring doorkey until recently was the accidental pressing of door open key in my pocket every now and then Feb 18 16:06:40 now with CCU I redefined the keyring button to need a doubleclick to operate Feb 18 16:06:48 works like a charm now Feb 18 16:07:26 NB it's a setting that gets downloaded to the keyring device, and keeps it from TX unless doublepress Feb 18 16:08:10 NOT handled by a program on CCU (which of course I also could do, but then the door won't open when CCU is defect, while now keyring talks to doorlocker directly) Feb 18 16:09:30 a really nice system, though extremely clumsy UI (for somebody used to programming) Feb 18 16:10:12 see above note about that script language Feb 18 16:10:41 and that's already the most advanced and versatile way to interface this system Feb 18 16:13:04 they got a friggin lot of predefined "programs" behind the scene: e.g I pair a magnet switch to the door locker - it automatically locks the door as as soon as you close it Feb 18 16:13:56 I don't need to program that function, I don't need any CCU for that, it's already preprogrammed in doorlocker Feb 18 16:14:42 ech device, actor as well as sensor, can get paired to several dozen of peers Feb 18 16:14:46 each Feb 18 16:15:42 so if I pair same magnetic door switch to my plugin dimmer as well, the attached lamp will switch on as long as door is open Feb 18 16:16:49 OOTB, of course I could change this (via CCU, maybe with help of a "program") so that lamp only acts on opening door but will stay on even when door gets closed Feb 18 16:18:10 for now I paired the keyring to the dimmer, so it ramps up to 80% in 3s whenever I press the door-open key on keyring. But it automatically ramps down to off after 5 minutes Feb 18 16:18:49 all still without progtams on CCU, autonomously in devices like (here) dimmer Feb 18 16:20:17 I guess I'll change that direct pairing to become a program on CCU so the dimmer only works when it's dark outside. As dimmer has not even a notion about time-of-day this has to be done on CCU, as a "program" then Feb 18 16:22:26 or, even more nifty, I keep the direct pairing between keyring and dimmer, but get a program on CCU that immediately switches dimmer off again ON-ACTION: keyring_door-open_pressed, WHEN: time between sunrise and sunset Feb 18 16:23:03 so light will work always, but the disabling of light during day will break when CCU is down Feb 18 16:24:08 well, enough OT noise, I guess ;-D Feb 18 17:03:11 hi JaMa Feb 18 17:03:32 JaMa, I think the xorg oom occurs after suspend Feb 18 17:03:52 s/xorg/graphical(enlightenment etc...) Feb 18 17:04:01 at resume to be more exact Feb 18 17:08:01 also I think firefox 10 is problematic Feb 18 17:08:25 but I think it's gold problem with firefox Feb 18 17:08:36 root@om-gta04:~# firefox Feb 18 17:08:36 Segmentation fault Feb 18 17:08:53 at work I tried gold some time ago with angstrom-bleeding Feb 18 17:09:02 and it made firefox illegal instruction Feb 18 17:09:06 because of unaligned load Feb 18 17:30:54 GNUtoo|laptop: well does it work if you link with bfd? Feb 18 17:31:27 Hi Feb 18 17:32:10 for firefox? Feb 18 17:32:31 if so, building with non-gold worked at work Feb 18 17:32:37 but the firefox version changed in between Feb 18 17:32:46 so now shr's firefox is 10 Feb 18 17:32:52 work firefox was 9 Feb 18 17:43:33 lindi-: the testsuite "ended" with hardlocking my machine :) Feb 18 19:02:52 GNUtoo|laptop, uhm how I can get qualcomm_htc to load on fsogsmd? seems like I'm missing some python binding or something like that, after installing the packages with opkg Feb 18 19:03:57 2012-02-18T19:02:12.755274Z [ERROR] DBusServiceDevice <>: Can't find modem for modem_type qualcomm_htc; corresponding modem plugin loaded? Feb 18 19:04:33 VQuickSilver, like that: Feb 18 19:05:15 [fsogsm.modem_qualcomm_htc] Feb 18 19:07:01 GNUtoo|laptop, ok it's loading now, thanks Feb 18 19:09:15 GNUtoo|laptop, uhm, I get the same that with singleline Feb 18 19:09:18 2012-02-18T19:08:05.840487Z [DEBUG] QualcommHtcModem <>: Did not receive OK (instead '+CME ERROR: 14') for FsoGsmPlusCPIN Feb 18 19:10:07 and my sim card doesn't require a PIN Feb 18 19:41:52 GNUtoo|laptop: OOM seems for fullscreen windows.. if shr-today is shown after unsuspend.. it could be OOM too Feb 18 19:42:04 yes it is Feb 18 19:42:27 VQuickSilver, look in the manual for CME error 14 Feb 18 19:42:37 manual is the newer version of 0707 Feb 18 19:42:41 look on wikipedia to find it Feb 18 19:46:39 GNUtoo|laptop, the meaning is busy card, but it doesn't say too much to me, I'm not an AT expert Feb 18 19:46:55 ok Feb 18 19:47:23 anyway I just reseted the pin Feb 18 19:47:30 maybe it was my sim card fault Feb 18 20:08:55 good evening folks Feb 18 20:12:46 mrmoku, hi Feb 18 20:13:02 hi GNUtoo|laptop Feb 18 20:13:14 mrmoku,you do om-gta04 and I do om-gta02? Feb 18 20:13:30 heh Feb 18 20:13:37 I prefer om-gta04 yeah Feb 18 20:13:41 because I can't work on both at the same time Feb 18 20:13:51 dunno how fast I will get back on track though Feb 18 20:13:56 ok Feb 18 20:14:08 basically there are still some work to do on audio + GPS Feb 18 20:14:16 and on modem too Feb 18 20:17:30 yeah I followed the broken modem thread Feb 18 20:19:24 mrmoku, not only that for modem but it seem that we have incomplete support for it Feb 18 20:19:28 hanging in fsogsmd Feb 18 20:19:34 when using DTMF Feb 18 20:19:41 stuff not handled Feb 18 20:19:44 ok Feb 18 20:19:44 uses only 1 node Feb 18 20:20:09 I already downloaded the latest staging image and installed it Feb 18 20:20:10 I tried radek's forwarder and it didn't work in SHR Feb 18 20:20:19 I mean it failed and never forwarded the audio Feb 18 20:20:21 I noticed the first start wizard is gone... is that right? Feb 18 20:20:30 ok Feb 18 20:20:31 yes maybe that's because it segfault Feb 18 20:20:36 ok Feb 18 20:20:37 also don't suspend else it'll oom Feb 18 20:20:46 JaMa, is working on theses things Feb 18 20:20:59 ohh, I suspended and it resumed Feb 18 20:21:09 I did shut it down afterwards though Feb 18 20:21:14 mrmoku, also I'm reverting om-gta02 to 2.6.34 for the release Feb 18 20:21:22 mrmoku, only works if the GPS is off Feb 18 20:21:23 ok Feb 18 20:21:28 and the GPS interface is problematic Feb 18 20:21:37 on gta04? Feb 18 20:21:38 the sysfs thing power it on if it's off Feb 18 20:21:41 and off if it's on Feb 18 20:21:43 yes Feb 18 20:21:58 so you have to read from GPSD to findout if it's on or off Feb 18 20:22:09 yeah, I remember that from some mail of neil Feb 18 20:22:12 and morphis told me he has to think about a clean way to integrate that Feb 18 20:22:17 ok Feb 18 20:25:37 so maybe good telephony should be handled first for om-gta04 Feb 18 20:25:43 and the GPS should be put aside Feb 18 20:25:53 yeah Feb 18 20:25:57 (we just warn the user to turn it off) Feb 18 20:26:40 telephony is number one indeed Feb 18 20:26:51 ok Feb 18 20:27:14 I want to start to use it as daily phone as soon as it somehow works Feb 18 20:27:22 ok Feb 18 20:29:29 maybe we should tackle audio first Feb 18 20:29:39 I should ping radekp Feb 18 20:29:46 but he's not here on irc right now Feb 18 20:29:53 ok Feb 18 20:30:13 I will refresh my build env for gta04 meanwhile Feb 18 20:30:18 ok Feb 18 20:30:18 and take a look at his forwarder Feb 18 20:30:24 mrmoku, you have to rebuild from scratch Feb 18 20:30:42 yeah, wanted to do that anyway Feb 18 20:30:53 (we switched to the gold linker) Feb 18 20:30:59 ah ok Feb 18 20:31:04 whatever that means :-P Feb 18 20:31:22 It's a more performant linker but not quite drop-in replacement Feb 18 20:31:28 ok Feb 18 20:31:47 mrmoku: latest staging doesn't have new efl with no-keyboard fix (but also with OOM feature :/) Feb 18 20:32:11 JaMa: hehe, I don't remember us planning that feature ;) Feb 18 20:32:17 JaMa, ah I forgott to report that the keyboard size was too small Feb 18 20:32:29 mrmoku: I haven't closed new one yet, because we're rebuilding from scratch (because of using gold now) and I wanted to rebuild before release Feb 18 20:32:49 mrmoku: yeah.. it's only in fullscreen apps so I haven't noticed it :/ Feb 18 20:32:53 JaMa: ok, I will build me one and work on that Feb 18 20:33:13 GNUtoo|laptop: iirc slyon was changing that in gry theme, not sure why but default theme works Feb 18 20:33:15 (not the OOM thing... on my build :P) Feb 18 20:33:22 ok Feb 18 20:33:25 let me try Feb 18 20:33:36 default I mean efl default not shr default which is indeed gry Feb 18 20:34:38 yes I understood that Feb 18 20:51:15 hi GNUtoo|laptop Feb 18 20:52:13 hi Feb 18 20:52:29 after about 3 days of uptime my test with old kernel from testing glamo crashed and took out my inode table Feb 18 20:52:42 ouch Feb 18 20:52:49 on ubifs? Feb 18 20:52:52 no Feb 18 20:52:56 uSD Feb 18 20:53:02 ok Feb 18 20:53:05 ext2 Feb 18 20:53:09 ok Feb 18 20:53:32 it still workd on ssh Feb 18 20:53:34 jake42, basically we have huge problems not related to the 2.6.34 with the newer images Feb 18 20:53:47 yeah i followed Feb 18 20:53:50 like bash segfault and such Feb 18 20:54:04 and on all devices we also have some OOM with fullscreen apps Feb 18 20:54:20 hope you'll be able to find the cause soon Feb 18 20:54:20 and even some keyboard problem Feb 18 20:54:27 keyboard? Feb 18 20:54:39 me, not sure, JaMa is the one working on it the most Feb 18 20:54:47 I'm just helping him as I can Feb 18 20:54:55 ok Feb 18 20:55:06 that's fixed in the newer efl (that's why I bumped it after fixing upstream) Feb 18 20:55:21 keyboard is too small under gry Feb 18 20:55:34 under "default" enlightenment theme it's ok Feb 18 20:55:50 ah I was talking about no-keyboard in shr-wizard we had before Feb 18 20:55:58 ok Feb 18 20:56:37 we should ask slyon when he gets here if it's caused by http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-themes.git;a=commit;h=3487a5290b0e2e268a5cc2d4db8fb369e1e3106b Feb 18 20:57:04 about keyboards: someone shown me a keyboard containing a copy-paste key and other improvements like for instance you type a key and it repeats, at fosdem Feb 18 20:57:12 ok Feb 18 20:57:46 we could try without Feb 18 20:57:59 it's just a text data file right? Feb 18 21:07:47 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * r55f48354cd02 10/ (473 files in 51 dirs): system upgrade Feb 18 23:57:29 MOOOO **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 19 02:59:58 2012