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Apr 07 13:45:10 <GNUtoo> for the browser I remember that there is links-x11
Apr 07 13:45:15 <GNUtoo> I'll try that
Apr 07 14:06:55 <rah> DocScrutinizer: docs.openmoko.org is still down
Apr 07 14:07:10 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, I know
Apr 07 14:07:51 <rah> DocScrutinizer: you said there was going to be a server move (presumably a VPS move); when is this going to happen?
Apr 07 14:08:13 <DocScrutinizer> unclear. I'm trying to find out about that
Apr 07 14:18:58 <GNUtoo> JaMa, hi
Apr 07 14:19:28 <marwen> hi 
Apr 07 14:20:09 <marwen> i have a problem with google map 
Apr 07 14:21:10 <marwen> I'm using android sdk 2.1 ADT 17.00
Apr 07 14:22:32 <marwen> the problem is that min sdk is not valid"7" I changet it but the problem is the same
Apr 07 14:22:55 <GNUtoo> marwen, you use android on freerunner?
Apr 07 14:23:24 <GNUtoo> hi morphis I failed to make a systemd unit for crespo's rndissetup.sh
Apr 07 14:23:38 <GNUtoo> I made the unit and it didn't work
Apr 07 14:25:52 <marwen> GNUtoo ,sorry wat did you mean by freerunner
Apr 07 14:26:06 <GNUtoo> marwen, gta02
Apr 07 14:26:37 <GNUtoo> marwen, openmoko.... (http://wiki.openmoko.org/ )
Apr 07 14:26:44 <GNUtoo> it's a phone
Apr 07 14:28:06 <marwen> ok thinks
Apr 07 14:28:29 <marwen>  what I have to do?
Apr 07 14:29:14 <GNUtoo> I'm trying to determine if you're in the right channel or if there is a better channel for you(with more people to answer the questions you have)
Apr 07 14:29:52 <GNUtoo> do you target the freerunner?
Apr 07 14:30:15 <GNUtoo> if so I think there is a channel specifically for android on the freerunner (see topic) : #android-on-freerunner
Apr 07 14:30:25 <GNUtoo> else there are some android channels
Apr 07 14:30:47 <marwen> ok thinks 
Apr 07 14:33:09 <GNUtoo> so do you have an openmoko/freerunner/gta02 or are you targetting other android phones?
Apr 07 14:49:52 <marwen> I'm using emulator
Apr 07 14:55:52 <GNUtoo> openmoko emulator or android emulator?
Apr 07 14:57:50 <marwen> android emulator
Apr 07 15:00:48 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 07 15:00:52 <GNUtoo> there are android channels
Apr 07 15:01:19 <GNUtoo> such as #android-dev for applications developments
Apr 07 15:01:48 <GNUtoo> btw do you know replicant
Apr 07 15:02:17 <GNUtoo> it's a fully free and open android distribution, but only target a subset of the android phones out there
Apr 07 15:02:30 <GNUtoo> also lean about FDroid, it's a free market-like application
Apr 07 15:31:12 <CIA-45> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r201671250987 10/meta-shr/recipes-devtools/python/python-epydoc_3.0.1.bb: python-epydoc: import from OE-classic
Apr 07 15:31:13 <CIA-45> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * ra1bf8ce79885 10/meta-shr/recipes-support/opensync/wbxml2_0.10.8.bb: wbxml2: import from OE-classic
Apr 07 15:31:13 <CIA-45> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rcbcc76019592 10/meta-shr/recipes-devtools/python/python-webdav_0.1.2.bb: python-webdav: import from OE-classic
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Apr 07 15:31:14 <CIA-45> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r862fd3549e51 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/tasks/task-shr-feed.bb: task-shr-feed: add pisi back
Apr 07 15:31:25 <CIA-45> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rafe4990ea43a 10/ (23 files in 5 dirs): recipes: drop unused PRIORITY field
Apr 07 15:31:25 <CIA-45> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rf75c197b0870 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/3rdparty/pisi_0.5.3.bb: pisi: fix LICENSE metadata
Apr 07 15:31:25 <CIA-45> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rc30afea3e409 10/meta-shr/recipes-support/opensync/libsyncml_0.5.4.bb: libsyncml: import from OE-classic
Apr 07 15:31:25 <CIA-45> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * re53ed7ca1ffa 10/meta-shr/recipes-support/openldap/ (4 files in 2 dirs): openldap: import from OE-classic
Apr 07 15:35:45 <JaMa> GNUtoo: hi
Apr 07 15:37:19 <JaMa> is robin here?
Apr 07 15:44:28 <GNUtoo> no idea
Apr 07 15:56:23 <CIA-45> SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r713b46942a8b 10/packages/ (61 files in 61 dirs): packages: Build 201204071736 of shr 20120407 for machine om-gta02 on opmbuild
Apr 07 16:13:20 <GNUtoo> sigh alsa
Apr 07 16:13:28 <GNUtoo> I'm trying trying trying
Apr 07 16:13:31 <GNUtoo> still nothing
Apr 07 16:13:43 <GNUtoo> no sound
Apr 07 16:13:59 <GNUtoo> and buffer underruns
Apr 07 16:15:02 <GNUtoo> I guess we need a common period size
Apr 07 16:15:33 <GNUtoo> because I guess it records a bigger buffer
Apr 07 16:15:41 <GNUtoo> and when we try to play it  it fails
Apr 07 16:18:23 <CIA-45> SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r9aa9fbaf5167 10/packages/ (66 files in 66 dirs): packages: Build 201204071757 of shr 20120407 for machine nokia900 on opmbuild
Apr 07 16:18:28 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, ^^^^
Apr 07 16:21:05 <GNUtoo> even with that it fails
Apr 07 16:21:10 <GNUtoo> it always fails
Apr 07 16:21:14 <GNUtoo> whatever I do
Apr 07 16:21:22 <GNUtoo> damn
Apr 07 16:22:03 <GNUtoo> maybe I should abandon SHR
Apr 07 16:22:07 <GNUtoo> no correct browser
Apr 07 16:22:10 <GNUtoo> no routing
Apr 07 16:22:16 <GNUtoo> *sound routing that is correct
Apr 07 16:24:51 <GNUtoo> only GPS works and it's not even in the feeds
Apr 07 16:25:03 <GNUtoo> and wifi works too
Apr 07 16:25:15 <GNUtoo> but what's the point of wifi without a browser?
Apr 07 16:25:28 <GNUtoo> maybe IRC but there is no xchat nor irssi
Apr 07 16:31:47 <CIA-45> SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r69eacb5bca31 10/packages/om_gta04-oe-linux-gnueabi/task-shr-feed/ (4 files in 4 dirs): packages: Build 201204071819 of shr 20120407 for machine om-gta04 on opmbuild
Apr 07 16:39:37 <CIA-45> SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r1adb91da13d5 10/packages/palmpre-oe-linux-gnueabi/task-shr-feed/ (4 files in 4 dirs): packages: Build 201204071832 of shr 20120407 for machine palmpre on opmbuild
Apr 07 16:46:26 <GNUtoo> DocScrutinizer, should I write something from scratch, continue using this radek forwarder and become crazy, or fix alsaloop
Apr 07 16:47:07 <GNUtoo> hi btw
Apr 07 16:47:17 <DocScrutinizer> the radek stuff doesn't look too bad, except main
Apr 07 16:47:21 <DocScrutinizer> hi
Apr 07 16:47:38 <CIA-45> SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * raac7f5110130 10/packages/palmpre2-oe-linux-gnueabi/task-shr-feed/ (4 files in 4 dirs): packages: Build 201204071840 of shr 20120407 for machine palmpre2 on opmbuild
Apr 07 16:47:53 <DocScrutinizer> in the end it's up to you from where yu wanna start
Apr 07 16:48:19 <GNUtoo> DocScrutinizer, I fail at everything with alsa
Apr 07 16:48:41 <GNUtoo> I failed the n900 forwarder
Apr 07 16:48:47 <GNUtoo> I faileed the gta04 forwarder
Apr 07 16:49:04 <GNUtoo> I failed the htcdream driver
Apr 07 16:49:17 <GNUtoo> at the end it worked tough
Apr 07 16:49:41 <GNUtoo> but because of an issue with the underlying transport it crash when changing sound sometimes
Apr 07 16:50:29 <DocScrutinizer> and a proper postmortem dump analysis won't help on that?
Apr 07 16:50:30 <GNUtoo> and mrmoku failed worse than me in the n900 forwarder
Apr 07 16:51:06 <GNUtoo> I don't care anymore about the htc dream
Apr 07 16:51:18 <GNUtoo> but I care about n900 and gta04
Apr 07 16:51:26 <GNUtoo> with gta04 beeing more important than n900
Apr 07 16:51:56 <DocScrutinizer> I'd suggest you discuss it with mrmoku anyway. He said he'd like to try his luck with the stuff we discussed yesterday
Apr 07 16:52:44 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 07 16:52:47 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, ping
Apr 07 16:52:49 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot
Apr 07 16:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> you read the backscroll/log of what I think I found out?
Apr 07 16:53:16 <GNUtoo> DocScrutinizer, is there higher level library for alsa?
Apr 07 16:53:23 <GNUtoo> because we could use something like that
Apr 07 16:53:36 <GNUtoo> there is gstreamer
Apr 07 16:53:41 <GNUtoo> I know gstreamer 0.10
Apr 07 16:54:27 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, the "higher level" libs are usually less versatile, so don't relly help when it comes to finegrained tuning or to using of special alsa devices like modem etc
Apr 07 16:54:41 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 07 16:54:50 <DocScrutinizer> and esp when you want low latency stuff you don't want high level lib
Apr 07 16:55:08 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 07 16:55:19 <GNUtoo> specially gstreamer 0.10
Apr 07 16:55:23 <GNUtoo> ist's dead slow
Apr 07 16:55:35 <GNUtoo> it go forward and backward in all the plugins chain
Apr 07 16:55:41 <DocScrutinizer> yup, it has a truckload to do during init
Apr 07 16:55:45 <GNUtoo> just for setting caps
Apr 07 16:55:53 <GNUtoo> all that is fixed in gstreamer 1.0
Apr 07 16:56:15 <CIA-45> SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * rf72b526a7132 10/images/crespo/eglibc/chroot-image/ (build-id image-info.txt installed-package-sizes.txt): images: Build 201204071848 of shr 20120407 for machine crespo on opmbuild
Apr 07 16:56:22 <GNUtoo> + you can add new caps easily
Apr 07 16:56:23 <GNUtoo> etc...
Apr 07 16:56:30 <GNUtoo> performances are way better
Apr 07 16:56:32 <GNUtoo> etc...
Apr 07 18:31:51 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, ping
Apr 07 18:35:16 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, PING
Apr 07 18:35:31 <GNUtoo> sigh
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