**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 18 02:59:58 2012 May 18 05:14:29 hmm, conn refused on git.om.o May 18 07:29:47 wiki.openmoko.org is down ( found it doing the daily antispam raid) May 18 07:38:48 I guess thats part of apparently Sean is "working with Harald Welte now on a solution" May 18 07:40:05 jluis|work: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2012-May/066967.html May 18 07:52:04 pabs3, people.openmoko.org is still but the rest of the sites I tested Docs , project .. are down May 18 10:21:46 Harald Welte May 18 10:21:47 I'm currently doing distribution upgrades on a number of the openmoko.org servers, so please expect service outages here and there. May 18 10:22:40 For now, I'm not touching the git and email/imap/mailinglist setup for the time being, so the most essential communications medium (mailing lists) will not be affected at all. May 18 12:01:21 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r568ec9caaced 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/mediatorhelpers.vala: fsogsmd: lib: add a common helper method to update the signal strength depending on modem state May 18 12:01:22 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r03cfb074ec67 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/at/atphonebook.vala: fsogmd: lib: only create a new phonebook storage if don't have already one May 18 12:01:23 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * re442b1449d93 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/sms.vala: fsogsmd: lib: only create a new sms storage if we don't already have one May 18 12:01:24 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rd2af506eeab7 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/channel.vala: libfsotransport: drop channel class which isn't really part of libfsotransport May 18 12:01:25 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r797976c63863 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_option_gtm601/mediators.vala: fsogsmd: modem_option_gtm601: add missing copyright notice May 18 12:01:27 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rb37959545caf 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_option_gtm601/unsolicited.vala: fsogsmd: modem_option_gtm601: use common helper method to update network signal strength May 18 12:01:28 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r3b6c9aa687b4 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/modem.vala: fsogsmd: lib: detect channel hangup correctly when channel is not active anymore May 18 13:43:34 DocScrutinizer: hmmm, git seems semi-broken: git.openmoko.org[0: 88.198.160.201]: errno=Connection refused May 18 14:39:18 ping laf0rge May 18 15:15:31 Harald Welte Server upgrades / docs and svn are back, Six virtual machines have been upgraded, but those were the easy ones. May 18 15:16:25 damn!!! May 18 15:16:40 ~reverse DAMN!! May 18 15:18:15 \o/ May 18 15:18:24 he fixed git://git.om.o too May 18 15:19:38 yay, infobot fun May 18 15:19:56 ~reverse DAMN!! May 18 15:19:57 !!NMAD May 18 15:20:43 pabs3: :-D May 18 15:21:00 seems he even fixed svn! May 18 16:20:19 Stupid thing Harald himself had to do all that in the end :/ May 18 19:13:04 GNUtoo-desktop: ping May 18 19:13:08 pong May 18 19:15:42 GNUtoo-desktop: you told me shat i shouldwhich ausio bugs should i enter for N900 ? i need some structure :-) May 18 19:16:15 hmmm May 18 19:16:23 GNUtoo-desktop: sorry my kvirc is doing stupid thuings so i hope you can read my message May 18 19:16:30 lol yes I can read May 18 19:19:58 GNUtoo-desktop: as i know there are some missing scenario files and bad audio quality due too bad conversion between modem audio and alsa audio May 18 19:21:51 yes May 18 19:22:22 the problem with the scenario is that if we remove the router in fsoaudiod it will prevent the forwarder from working May 18 19:22:37 that's what morphis said to me May 18 19:24:22 GNUtoo-desktop: i dont understand.. how are scenarios belonging to router or forwarder ? May 18 19:24:53 fsoaudiod is the deamon in which the router plugin is attached May 18 19:25:18 if you remove the scenarios handling from there the forwarder won't work anymore May 18 19:25:22 that's what I was told May 18 19:27:01 GNUtoo-desktop: sorry i dont get the bridge between router plugin-scenarios - forwarder... May 18 19:27:15 the router uses the scenarios May 18 19:27:41 ok May 18 19:29:10 GNUtoo-desktop: but how is the forwarder involved ? May 18 19:29:35 maybe mrophis was wrong May 18 19:29:38 nschle85: hi May 18 19:29:39 I don't know exactly May 18 19:29:47 nschle85: wrt your wifi issue, have you found anything new? May 18 19:30:17 PaulFertser: privet, nothing new but i did not test anymore... because i am lack of time May 18 19:30:39 nschle85: i contacted the wl1251 developer and he has given me some hints. May 18 19:30:54 PaulFertser: wow :-) May 18 19:32:53 PaulFertser: i got a more detailed logfile from JaMa|Off: but i did not have the time to change my configuration and check again May 18 19:34:29 GNUtoo-desktop: Hello dennis, i wont be unpolite ... ithink audio on N900 is important but i think i should have some priorities. so i should try to fix wifi first. May 18 19:34:30 nschle85: please ping me when you have time to debug wifi issue. May 18 19:35:41 nschle85, I can try to fix audio if you want May 18 19:36:40 GNUtoo-desktop: it would be very nice but i think you are very busy and very tired at the moment. May 18 19:37:42 GNUtoo-desktop: it would be nice if you could enter the tickets in shr wiki, so the issues are documented May 18 19:37:53 1970-01-01T00:05:36.861328Z [DEBUG] fsogsmd : GLib : gisicomm.vala:142: waiting for netlink state to change... May 18 19:37:56 I've that May 18 19:39:53 GNUtoo-desktop: its a new issue ? May 18 19:40:22 no idea I'll opkg upgrade and see if it's fixed May 18 19:40:35 GNUtoo-desktop: i think its an old issue May 18 19:40:54 after update the pin dialog should appear May 18 19:40:57 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/2003 May 18 19:42:53 GNUtoo-desktop: this is new but i did not update my phone since some days May 18 19:43:00 ok May 18 19:46:42 GNUtoo-desktop: but do you have a real problem now belonging #2003 ? May 18 19:47:38 I think phonet-utils init script is not executed May 18 19:51:06 GNUtoo-desktop: so how old is your image ? May 18 19:51:53 now it's the last one May 18 19:52:01 it's an opkg updated image tough May 18 19:52:38 /usr/bin/nokia-n900-cmt-gpio.sh start; killall fsogsmd fixes it May 18 19:54:07 GNUtoo-desktop: but i think its already solved but you need a full insstallation May 18 19:54:20 ah ok May 18 19:54:22 thanks a lot May 18 19:54:27 GNUtoo-desktop: i discussed that with mrmoku May 18 19:56:20 GNUtoo-desktop: i think this the ticket: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1961 May 18 19:56:51 ok May 18 19:57:26 GNUtoo-desktop: sorry i dont think May 18 19:57:32 GNUtoo-desktop: i know May 18 20:00:40 GNUtoo-desktop: can we talk later talk about audio ? Can you please enter the necessary tickets for N900 audio ? I cannot do that because there are a lot of problemns which i cannot distuingish between. May 18 20:01:28 ok May 18 20:01:37 GNUtoo-desktop: thank you May 18 20:01:41 I'll try to do it if I've the time May 18 20:01:49 I'm trying to understand fsoaudiod first May 18 20:03:35 GNUtoo-desktop: ok but you should know that N900 isnt even usable as phone at the moment but nobody seems to care so set the right priorities :-) May 18 20:03:57 ok May 18 20:04:20 * GNUtoo-desktop likes the screen and the keyboard....and the fact that audio is controlled by the CPU and not by the modem May 18 20:04:37 and no shared memory between modem and cpu May 18 20:05:09 GNUtoo-desktop: i know the device is nice but it seems not to have a big community :-( May 18 20:05:28 GNUtoo-desktop: and too many issues May 18 20:05:55 one main issue May 18 20:06:01 sound quality during calls May 18 20:06:07 the other are temporary issues May 18 20:06:15 or work that can be finished easily May 18 20:07:41 GNUtoo-desktop: hmm... i was programming mod players for amiga and mod player for PC which was mixing 4 channel audio in realtime on 8 Mhz 286 cpu May 18 20:07:55 ok May 18 20:08:57 so if you can give me the the information which daemon does the conversion i can have a look at it May 18 20:09:45 GNUtoo-desktop: (but playing 4 cchannel on amiga was done by hardware (DMA)) :-) May 18 20:09:53 ah ok May 18 20:12:33 GNUtoo-desktop: but playing 4channel mod on pc needed mixing it in ram and play the buffer via dma May 18 20:14:54 during playback i was able to draw a solid rotating 3D vector cube May 18 20:15:18 ok I'll try replicant on the gta04 now(bugreport is #2007) May 18 20:15:24 nice May 18 20:16:15 GNUtoo-desktop: now ill ask PaulFertser: to investigate my wifi problem May 18 20:16:37 ok May 18 20:17:54 PaulFertser: hello, sorry for my late answer, i did not do the tests i wanted to is it worth trying wifi with your help ? May 18 20:24:45 PaulFertser: ping May 18 20:33:50 vquicksilver, hi, long time no seen May 18 20:34:03 HI GNUtoo-desktop ! May 18 20:34:46 GNUtoo-desktop, yeah, I'm finishing my PFC, I'm very busy, just making a little pause May 18 20:34:55 PFC? May 18 20:35:11 GNUtoo-desktop, "Proyecto de Fin de Carrera" in Spanish May 18 20:35:16 ah ok May 18 20:35:21 nice May 18 20:35:38 GNUtoo-desktop, it's more or less like a thesis in english I think May 18 20:35:42 ok May 18 20:35:49 yes that's what I tought May 18 20:36:26 even if the names suggest otherwise May 18 20:36:40 because it the Carrera comes after the project May 18 20:37:06 and here with the name it seem to say that it's the last project of the Carrera May 18 20:37:19 GNUtoo-desktop, It's the last work you have to do before the university gives your title May 18 20:38:00 yes I understood May 18 20:38:50 GNUtoo-desktop, ok May 18 20:39:52 GNUtoo-desktop, how it's going with SHR? I read in the replicant blog about some phone with privacy issues May 18 20:40:38 SHR needs more devs May 18 20:40:51 GNUtoo-desktop: thats true May 18 20:40:55 there are 1 SHR dev left + 1 FSO dev left May 18 20:41:06 and the 1 SHR dev isn't even me May 18 20:41:25 GNUtoo-desktop: who is it ? JaMa|Off: ? May 18 20:41:28 yes May 18 20:42:19 GNUtoo-desktop, is there a replacament for it? or lack of interest? May 18 20:42:49 no replacement May 18 20:43:29 for the other it was real life(work+family) that made them quit May 18 20:43:42 for me it was the ammount of work per developper May 18 20:43:47 oh I see May 18 20:44:00 + the fact that I couldn't solve some blocking problems May 18 20:44:10 like n900 forwarder etc... May 18 20:44:31 GNUtoo-desktop: did you officially quit ? May 18 20:44:40 yes some time ago May 18 20:44:49 on the mailing list May 18 20:45:04 now I try to find time for SHR but I took more projects while I quited.... May 18 20:45:30 like the port of nuttx on osmocombb compatible phones May 18 20:45:35 GNUtoo-desktop: i saw it but i thought youll be back after some timeout May 18 20:45:54 I am trying to find the time to make 1 commit May 18 20:46:10 each time I try time is lacking , I get sidetracked or something like that May 18 20:47:34 GNUtoo-desktop: i have a stupid question: can you connect your N900 via USB ? i cannot i think since my ubuntu upgrade to 12.04 May 18 20:47:48 nschle85, vquicksilver note that SHR isn't dead yet. it only lacks developers May 18 20:48:02 nschle85, yes I can May 18 20:48:42 GNUtoo-desktop, maybe when I get some time this summer I can help a bit, bit I lack knowledge in some areas May 18 20:49:03 ok, that would be nice May 18 20:49:53 and also I lack real hardware, my only phone it's that old geeksphone one with is proprietary rild May 18 20:50:07 vquicksilver: what are your knowledges ? in what kind of problems i can involve you ? May 18 20:50:32 the rild can be solved May 18 20:50:47 with the help of morphis May 18 20:50:49 bbs May 18 20:51:25 nschle85, I know a bit of everything, but I don't master any special area that's the problem May 18 20:51:45 nschle85, I did an "alpha" port of SHR to geeksphone One May 18 20:52:18 nschle85, but if I want to do it well I have to learn a bit of kernel internals, and bitbake recipe format May 18 20:52:56 and also learn to reserve engineer the rild, to see how it starts the modem on the phone May 18 20:53:17 vquicksilver: ok, thats like me i know a little bit of everything but in most time i cannot help by real fixes only reporting a bug is what i can do May 18 20:54:06 vquicksilver: i can borrow you my GTA02 during summer May 18 20:54:44 vquicksilver: in which country do you live ? May 18 20:54:54 nschle85, in Spain May 18 20:55:28 nschle85, that would be could, but first I should check if I'm going to have the required time May 18 20:55:34 cool* May 18 20:56:44 vquicksilver: so lets talk about it if you feel to have enough time May 18 20:57:03 nschle85, http://forum.geeksphone.com/index.php?topic=3143.0 here are some screenshots of the port to geeksphone one May 18 20:57:34 ops, I think you have to register to see them May 18 20:59:30 vquicksilver: i have read the ssstatus May 18 20:59:35 nschle85, I'll let you know if I have enough time May 18 21:00:11 seems we got a whole new fresh infra \o/ May 18 21:00:29 nschle85, the funny part with this phone it's that, if I wait enough time, the modem starts automagically May 18 21:01:14 vquicksilver: autmagically or automatically ? :-) May 18 21:01:33 nschle85, the 2 things I think May 18 21:02:01 nschle85, cause I don't know what it's the cause/event that makes it work May 18 21:02:35 vquicksilver: nice, but at the moment i nont need my GTA02 because it has all the hardware bugs of V05 May 18 21:03:02 but for development its good May 18 21:03:48 vquicksilver: gps is much better than on n900 :-) May 18 21:04:50 GNUtoo-desktop: do you know how i can reach PaulFertser: ?? he ddoes not answer mee May 18 21:05:49 nschle85, cool, maybe if I can get a work, a thing that it's not easy here... I can buy a new smartphone, my old one is really old May 18 21:13:52 DocScrutinizer: can you explain please the topic change ? May 18 21:14:44 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2012-May/066967.html May 18 21:20:01 DocScrutinizer: why did you take out shr and hackable ? May 18 21:20:51 nschle85: there are people who have great visions and write an occasional blogpost, and there are geeks who (absolutely correctly) claim they don't have the time to do a major upgrade and consolidation task, just to reconsider and find they can do it before weekend starts which will be busy again May 18 21:21:21 nschle85: because topic is length limited - no worries, I'll bring the origina topic back in a few hours May 18 21:23:17 DocScrutinizer: but i dont understand what brings the better infrastructure May 18 21:23:23 Harald is simply a truly amazing character May 18 21:24:11 at the moment i dont understand "what is openmoko ? " May 18 21:24:31 DocScrutinizer: in my oppinion its dead May 18 21:24:33 nschle85: if you don't undertsnad what happened today (and yesterday), you weren't involved in last weeks/months hassle about svn.openmoko.org and others May 18 21:26:04 well, then consider me a necrophiliac... anyway I got other channels to serve as well. And then there's this annoying thing called RL May 18 21:26:56 DocScrutinizer: i heard about some problems... but cloning the repo in sourceforge or github would not solve the problems ? May 18 21:27:16 *SIIIIIIGH* May 18 21:27:30 please rad chanlogs and ML May 18 21:27:34 read* May 18 21:28:04 DocScrutinizer: no, May 18 21:28:15 then not May 18 21:28:21 DocScrutinizer: please explain now May 18 21:28:21 cheers May 18 21:28:28 dafaq May 18 21:30:43 as far as i understood, some servers were down because they were blocked by the isp and the admins were unreachable and busy to unblock the servers and some members of the community started massive FUD and trolling. right? May 18 21:32:29 DocScrutinizer: for me , openmoko is dead, my GTA02 is buggy (V05) not usaable as dayly phone mozilla does not compile for it so a newer platform is ne needed, GTA04 is the newer platform but its not openmoko May 18 21:33:29 nschle85: that's why you need gta02v7 of course May 18 21:33:55 nschle85: of course you suffer if you try to use v5 :( May 18 21:34:00 lindi-: firefox does compile on it ? May 18 21:34:05 nschle85: it does in debian? May 18 21:34:48 i dont know May 18 21:35:06 nschle85: what do you mean by "mozilla does not compile for it"? May 18 21:36:02 as i know firefox does not build for GTA02 May 18 21:36:16 Alex[sp3dev]: close, very close May 18 21:37:13 nschle85: what do you mean by that? May 18 21:37:45 is there any working recipe for that ? May 18 21:38:00 nschle85: that's some OE term? May 18 21:38:23 nschle85: apt-get --build source iceweasel works, I'm not using OE :/ May 18 21:38:55 **BURP** May 18 21:39:33 nschle85: to me that sounds more like an OE problem than hardware problem :/ May 18 21:39:47 nschle85, maybe trough mail? May 18 21:41:05 GNUtoo-desktop: ill try it May 18 21:45:38 GNUtoo-desktop: have you running firefox on yyour GTA02 ? May 18 21:46:03 no May 18 21:46:08 nschle85: anyways, both gtkwebkit and xulrunner are crashing on armel on debian unstable today May 18 21:46:11 firefox is not ported on armv4 May 18 21:46:13 doesn't firefox requiere armv7 or higher? May 18 21:46:21 GNUtoo-desktop: what do you mean by that? May 18 21:46:22 yes it does, armv6 may work May 18 21:46:27 but not armv4 May 18 21:46:34 GNUtoo-desktop: I've definitely run firefox on my openmoko May 18 21:46:45 GNUtoo-desktop, my phone it's armv6 and at least for android, there isn't a version May 18 21:46:47 a current version? May 18 21:47:08 if so the debian patches may be very inetresting May 18 21:48:07 GNUtoo-desktop: not sure what current version means but last year yes May 18 21:48:19 like this year May 18 21:48:25 last year should still work I think May 18 21:51:32 nschle85: well I guess you can still live with last year's firefox? May 18 21:54:25 lindi-: i can live without any phone May 18 22:06:43 gnight, sleep time May 18 22:07:18 vquicksilver: good night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 19 02:59:58 2012