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Jun 03 03:20:05 <pabs3> cenobyte_: btw, not sure if you saw this, but FSO folks need someone to maintain palm-pre support (and IIRC you have a palm pre): http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2012-May/004094.html
Jun 03 05:47:22 <cenobyte_> maybe that is why the wireless is not working?
Jun 03 05:47:38 <cenobyte_> btw i just tried the aurora image to no avail
Jun 03 05:49:31 <pabs3> they only removed the palm stuff from FSO git and IIRC SHR uses FSO releases rather than git
Jun 03 05:51:19 <pabs3> not sure if the aurora images use git or not
Jun 03 05:51:42 <pabs3> morphis isn't online, maybe you should ping him when he returns
Jun 03 05:52:16 <pabs3> cenobyte_: ^
Jun 03 05:52:32 <cenobyte_> actually i am now going to try to get connman working in the shr image
Jun 03 05:54:25 <pabs3> in any case I'd recommend mailing shr-devel about palm stuff, to let them know you are interested in testing/developing SHR/FSO on palm
Jun 03 05:56:03 <cenobyte_> i wonder if i will get something if i change the "carrier" line to wifi...
Jun 03 05:58:23 <PaulFertser> cenobyte_: the best way to check if wifi is working is to do "ip l s wlan0 up; iw dev wlan0 scan"
Jun 03 05:58:32 <PaulFertser> cenobyte_: if that gives you an error, then pastebin dmesg.
Jun 03 05:58:52 <PaulFertser> Also, wifi doesn't depend on the distro much.
Jun 03 05:59:16 <PaulFertser> And trying to get connman working before making sure all the lower layer are all right is counter-productive imho.
Jun 03 06:14:30 <cenobyte_> i'm not sure how to get the lower layer to work
Jun 03 06:14:47 <cenobyte_> i cannot find firmware on external site, but it is not included
Jun 03 06:14:48 <cenobyte_> odd
Jun 03 06:18:14 <cenobyte_> since the shr image does not come with connman or networking pieces, I am not sure what to do
Jun 03 06:18:34 <cenobyte_> i have not been able to get ipk's onto the partition and find them
Jun 03 06:18:43 <cenobyte_> usb networking has not worked...
Jun 03 06:24:04 <cenobyte_> good night
Jun 03 06:37:37 <PaulFertser> Damn, have he read what i was suggesting?!
Jun 03 06:38:25 <PaulFertser> I sometimes almost get infuriated by people acting like him :/
Jun 03 06:46:11 * pabs3 sighs in the direction of OpenPhoneux
Jun 03 06:47:17 <pabs3> did anyone volunteer for om.o sysadmin?
Jun 03 10:28:17 <ayaka> why android mobile use MTD in the early year
Jun 03 10:43:11 <misc> because using the old method requires to unmount the shared folder/partition, since it doesn't support concurent access
Jun 03 10:44:37 <lindi-> MTD?
Jun 03 10:49:19 <ayaka> I often see many android devices using mtd in early year
Jun 03 10:49:38 <ayaka> but now, it begin to use emmc
Jun 03 10:50:02 <ayaka> but MTD is a deading teconolgy
Jun 03 10:51:56 <ayaka> misc what is old method?
Jun 03 10:53:26 <pabs3> lindi-: I think he means raw flash as opposed to flash with a controller in front of it (like uSD/mmc)
Jun 03 10:54:45 <lindi-> pabs3: yeah I was just wondering what misc's comment about concurrent access meant
Jun 03 10:55:09 <pabs3> oh
Jun 03 10:55:43 <pabs3> I guess that is to do with mounting the phone's storage via USB
Jun 03 10:56:39 <ayaka> I am not sure , but you can see many android documents including /dev/block/mtdXX
Jun 03 10:56:49 <ayaka> but not now
Jun 03 10:57:07 <pabs3> I guess it depends on the phone you are using and what hardware is in it
Jun 03 10:59:08 <ayaka> yes, but I wonder why they use mtd hardware, I see the wikipedia, it tell me it is not popular tecnology
Jun 03 10:59:41 <pabs3> no idea, best ask the people who made the hardware
Jun 03 11:00:21 <misc> ayaka: exporting this as a block device over usb ( forgot the exact name, maybe I am totally wrong )
Jun 03 11:00:41 <misc> mhh, in fact, i am wrong, I tought you were talking of MTP :(
Jun 03 11:01:10 <ayaka> I see, but is there any andvantage of MTD than those flash tecnology
Jun 03 11:01:23 <ayaka> misc thank you all the same
Jun 03 11:09:32 <ayaka> pabs3 lindi- thank you
Jun 03 11:23:14 <pabs3> ayaka: MTD is flash, just where the OS (linux/etc) has raw low-level access to the flash, with eMMC, USB sticks, uSD cards the flash is hidden behind a controller chip
Jun 03 11:23:35 <ayaka> I see
Jun 03 11:24:39 <ayaka> Is it why it doesn't be widdly used
Jun 03 11:25:44 <ayaka> I know if you want to re-partition MTD, you need to update the kernel since partition tables saved in kernel
Jun 03 11:27:50 <pabs3> for gta02 I thought they were in the bootloader configuration. but yeah that is one downside; there isn't any standard partitioning format like there is for block devices
Jun 03 11:31:47 <ayaka> I see
Jun 03 11:34:21 <ayaka> pabs3 thank you
Jun 03 19:11:24 <PaulFertser> Hi. Is there still no hope to use n900 as a real day-to-day powerful keyboard-enabled smartphone?
Jun 03 19:17:20 <PaulFertser> Ok, /me ll try to use gta04 as a normal Debian user.
Jun 03 19:33:02 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, hi
Jun 03 19:33:26 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, it would be perfectly possible if and if only the alsa forwarder was fixed
Jun 03 19:33:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> the rest is a piece of cake
Jun 03 19:34:37 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: are all the problems with the power consumption solved?
Jun 03 19:34:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, what problems?
Jun 03 19:35:01 <GNUtoo-desktop> I mean the port is not finished
Jun 03 19:35:11 <GNUtoo-desktop> but if someone unblock the forwarder....
Jun 03 19:35:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> it can be finished easily
Jun 03 19:35:50 <GNUtoo-desktop> what is needed is then:
Jun 03 19:36:00 <GNUtoo-desktop> * add support for more stuff in fsogsmd
Jun 03 19:36:03 <GNUtoo-desktop> we have ofono
Jun 03 19:36:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> and some headers....
Jun 03 19:36:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> so it's perfectly doable
Jun 03 19:36:17 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: i mean i've heard that quite some important power-saving related functionality is not implemented kernel-wise.
Jun 03 19:36:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> we need to add alsa scenarios (mather of 5min)
Jun 03 19:36:29 <GNUtoo-desktop> ah ok
Jun 03 19:36:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> that's not true anymore
Jun 03 19:36:43 <GNUtoo-desktop> DVFS is in 2.6.37
Jun 03 19:36:53 <GNUtoo-desktop> it was not thre in the early 2.6.35
Jun 03 19:37:02 <GNUtoo-desktop> of course I'm talking about the forks for n900
Jun 03 19:37:09 <GNUtoo-desktop> not the official kernel version
Jun 03 19:37:38 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: do you mean it's still not upstream?
Jun 03 19:38:33 <GNUtoo-desktop> I mean we use 2.6.37
Jun 03 19:38:43 <GNUtoo-desktop> I don't know what's upstream or not
Jun 03 19:38:46 <GNUtoo-desktop> I didn't look
Jun 03 19:38:58 <GNUtoo-desktop> last time the modem was not upstream at 3.0 times
Jun 03 19:39:03 <GNUtoo-desktop> there is a 3.0 kernel without modem
Jun 03 19:41:06 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, what functionality do you need exactly?
Jun 03 19:41:38 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: something instead of my gta02, so that i can use GSM calls and messages and occassionaly surf the web...
Jun 03 19:41:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> so no need of bluetooth and GPS?
Jun 03 19:42:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> because for GPS it need a bit more work: the protocol is reversed but not implemented
Jun 03 19:42:39 <GNUtoo-desktop> for bluetooth it's a power management kernel bug
Jun 03 19:43:26 <PaulFertser> GPS would be nice...
Jun 03 19:43:37 <PaulFertser> Bluetooth i used less than a month ago too.
Jun 03 19:43:50 <GNUtoo-desktop> GPS is doable
Jun 03 19:43:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> specially for you that know gpsd well
Jun 03 19:44:27 <GNUtoo-desktop> it's just that someone must think a bit on how to implement it well
Jun 03 19:44:30 <GNUtoo-desktop> so no one tried
Jun 03 19:44:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> nschle85 promissed to try but never started
Jun 03 19:45:04 <GNUtoo-desktop> so I told him to do the sms part instead
Jun 03 19:45:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> he didn't do it either
Jun 03 19:45:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, and for the forwarder it's "just" bugfixing
Jun 03 19:46:02 <GNUtoo-desktop> so you just have to make it work well
Jun 03 19:46:03 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: i remember about the GPS, yes, it's doable but without AGPS.
Jun 03 19:46:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> we even have a better quality forwarder
Jun 03 19:46:16 <PaulFertser> And n900's gps is rather crappy so won't work nicely without agps.
Jun 03 19:46:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> if you revert mrmoku 's changes
Jun 03 19:46:23 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Jun 03 19:46:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> we could reverse AGPS too
Jun 03 19:46:39 <GNUtoo-desktop> how hard is that?
Jun 03 19:46:47 <GNUtoo-desktop> because if GPS is reversed
Jun 03 19:46:56 <GNUtoo-desktop> and as soon as we have a somewhat working device
Jun 03 19:47:00 <GNUtoo-desktop> it could be done later
Jun 03 19:47:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> I mean if we gain ISI+GPS knowledge the disection of the rest is easier right?
Jun 03 19:47:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> or is there some hardware issues?
Jun 03 19:52:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, are you willing to fix the fowarder?
Jun 03 19:53:43 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: i'm afraid i have no time :(((
Jun 03 19:54:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> I've to take care of many stuff
Jun 03 19:54:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> and each time I try to fix it I fail....
Jun 03 19:54:30 <PaulFertser> I feel kind of a looser, yeah...
Jun 03 19:54:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> so it won't magically become usable any time soon
Jun 03 19:54:40 <PaulFertser> You and the others doing so much work...
Jun 03 19:55:02 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Jun 03 19:56:35 <GNUtoo-desktop> if you're looking for a phone there is the GTA04 A4
Jun 03 19:56:40 <GNUtoo-desktop> it's not cheap tough
Jun 03 19:56:45 <GNUtoo-desktop> and I really want one
Jun 03 19:56:50 <GNUtoo-desktop> but I'm stuck with A3
Jun 03 19:56:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> and I cannot make the forwarder work
Jun 03 19:57:11 <GNUtoo-desktop> I must write to alsa-devel or something like that
Jun 03 20:00:38 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: do you know how to distinguish between A3 and A4?
Jun 03 20:01:14 <GNUtoo-desktop> when you buy it will be an A4
Jun 03 20:01:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> because A3 are all sold/given
Jun 03 20:02:13 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: i was donated a gta04, but i haven't promised i'll do anything useful with it...
Jun 03 20:02:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Jun 03 20:02:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> and you're unsure of the version?
Jun 03 20:02:38 <GNUtoo-desktop> maybe I should really request an A4
Jun 03 20:02:58 <GNUtoo-desktop> basically the A4 has also hardware forwarding
Jun 03 20:03:02 <GNUtoo-desktop> trough alsamixer controls
Jun 03 20:03:03 <PaulFertser> I never payed enough attention to the version but i'd expect it to be A4, it's not early.
Jun 03 20:03:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Jun 03 20:03:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> mine is A3
Jun 03 20:03:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> did you get it after me?
Jun 03 20:03:32 <GNUtoo-desktop> *got
Jun 03 20:04:12 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: S/N: 5285-0006
Jun 03 20:04:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> sorry I don't know how to differenciate them
Jun 03 20:04:53 <PaulFertser> Neither i, i tried googling already of course.
Jun 03 20:07:07 <GNUtoo-desktop> mrmoku, knows
Jun 03 20:16:26 <PaulFertser> goldelico is not available over ipv6, sigh
Jun 03 20:22:27 <PaulFertser> gta04 is uber-fast comparing to gta02, heh
Jun 03 20:22:58 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes
Jun 03 20:56:21 <PaulFertser> It got considerably hot (esp. the battery, though the hw-validation kernel reported 29 temperature for it) and then turned itself off right in the middle of dist-upgrade.
Jun 03 20:57:01 <PaulFertser> http://paste.debian.net/172718/ if anyone's interested in temperature details
Jun 03 21:01:04 <PaulFertser> I've let it cool without a battery but it doesn't turn on even after a 15-min pause... Meh
Jun 03 21:01:07 <PaulFertser> :(
Jun 03 21:01:16 <PaulFertser> Have to sleep now. Good luck, everyone.
Jun 04 01:01:58 <pabs3> hmm, did anyone volunteer for OpenMoko sysadmin? PaulFertser or DocScrutinizer perhaps?
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