**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 02:59:58 2012 Aug 08 10:57:47 hello Aug 08 14:39:02 heyho Aug 08 14:39:22 GNUtoo, althought the adbd ran but I can't use adb and X still have problem Aug 08 14:39:37 morphis, hi Aug 08 14:39:45 it is a different error message, but it seems the same problem Aug 08 14:40:14 JaMa, did the person wanting to help with n900 show up again? Aug 08 14:40:20 hi btw Aug 08 14:40:58 morphis, for gta04: I still have to ifconfig wlan0 up Aug 08 14:41:29 I remember vaguely that you removed ifconfig wlan0 up from the rfkill plugin Aug 08 14:41:43 GNUtoo: remember kernel26_rfkill is not captable of doing this anymore! Aug 08 14:42:22 yes Aug 08 14:42:32 but has the functionality been migrated in quirks Aug 08 14:42:38 what's the status basically Aug 08 14:43:02 it's dropped right now Aug 08 14:43:16 ah ok Aug 08 14:43:23 so how should I proceeed? Aug 08 14:43:36 or how sould we proceed rather Aug 08 14:43:54 because I've already gta02/gta04 gps to take care of Aug 08 14:43:56 it's a question about who is responsible for getting the interface up Aug 08 14:44:00 + gta02 kenrel Aug 08 14:44:07 the quirks? Aug 08 14:44:15 is it power-control relatedß Aug 08 14:44:16 ? Aug 08 14:44:22 yes Aug 08 14:44:36 ifconfig wlan0 up activates the sdio stuff which powers the wifi card up Aug 08 14:44:44 there are callbacks for that Aug 08 14:44:48 then there is a power control needed for this Aug 08 14:45:11 yes but I guess we need rfkill + ifconfig wlan0 up Aug 08 14:45:18 but I can try without rfkill Aug 08 14:45:20 to see Aug 08 14:45:26 but I'm not sure if it's a good idea Aug 08 14:45:30 or.... Aug 08 14:45:31 we migrate to 3.5? Aug 08 14:45:42 since we will have to migrate anyway Aug 08 14:45:48 don't know Aug 08 14:46:21 GNUtoo: thing the other way round; who will activate the interface from the UI side? Aug 08 14:46:37 iliwi Aug 08 14:46:45 but it may have to run as non-root Aug 08 14:47:04 in that case the ifconfig wlan0 up should be done by fso Aug 08 14:47:38 does iliwi requests a resource? Aug 08 14:50:50 yes Aug 08 14:50:51 wifi Aug 08 14:52:30 fso_usage.RequestResource("WiFi"); // Turn on wifi Aug 08 14:52:30 fso_usage.RequestResource("CPU"); Aug 08 14:52:36 that's what it does Aug 08 14:53:01 and then it expects the interface to be up? Aug 08 15:00:19 yes Aug 08 15:03:16 GNUtoo: don't know who it was Aug 08 15:03:24 ok Aug 08 15:22:00 GNUtoo, what shall I do next? Aug 08 15:22:22 hmmm Aug 08 15:22:39 ayaka, what's the adbd error? Aug 08 15:22:54 GNUtoo, I don't know Aug 08 15:23:25 then try to find out trough output redirection to a file Aug 08 15:23:32 like 2>&1 >> log Aug 08 15:23:36 I see Aug 08 15:25:26 GNUtoo, but my cmdline in rc.local is /sbin/adbd & Aug 08 15:25:51 I don't know who to join in /sbin/adbd 2>&1 & ? Aug 08 15:26:08 /sbin/adbd 2>&1 >> log & Aug 08 15:27:16 try on local computer Aug 08 15:27:59 GNUtoo, ? Aug 08 15:28:50 adbd is an arm program Aug 08 15:29:03 I know Aug 08 15:29:13 but replace adbd by something which blocks Aug 08 15:29:27 like a grep Aug 08 15:30:40 GNUtoo, I see the last regexp is correcy Aug 08 15:30:43 correct Aug 08 15:31:15 grep foo 2>&1 >> log & works Aug 08 15:32:49 it is booting Aug 08 15:33:03 ok Aug 08 15:33:04 btw, here is the X log http://paste.debian.net/182763/ Aug 08 15:33:52 LoadModule: "dri", in my memories, kernel doesn't support DRI Aug 08 15:34:38 or I can't compile the kernel Aug 08 15:35:03 it's xorg modules Aug 08 15:35:07 anyway it can work without Aug 08 15:35:42 grep for (EE) Aug 08 15:35:51 [ 15.336] (EE) FBDEV(0): unrecognised fbdev hardware type (269488144) Aug 08 15:35:56 I never saw that error Aug 08 15:37:11 GNUtoo: rfkill was needed on gta04 for getting wifi up right? Aug 08 15:37:22 I'll check Aug 08 15:38:29 morphis, but rfkill may be needed for some stuff Aug 08 15:38:31 such as GPS Aug 08 15:38:37 yeah that not the problem Aug 08 15:39:06 if rfkill is not needed there have to be a powercontrol implementation in the gta04_quirks plugin Aug 08 15:40:07 GNUtoo, no error at all Aug 08 15:40:26 ayaka, what does it say? Aug 08 15:40:27 even it print nothing Aug 08 15:40:29 morphis, hmmmm Aug 08 15:41:24 hmmm grrrr we still have the segfault of enlightenment issue when requesting a resource Aug 08 15:41:38 I will explode again it seem Aug 08 15:41:42 too much stuff to do Aug 08 15:41:43 not enough time Aug 08 15:42:09 GNUtoo, maybe adbd doesn't get the usb link at all, do you remember the usb network link problem? Aug 08 15:42:09 + heat Aug 08 15:42:20 no Aug 08 15:42:26 adb requires adb gadget Aug 08 15:43:03 GNUtoo: do less, not everything needs to be done right now Aug 08 15:43:31 morphis, I need stuff to be done Aug 08 15:43:37 and people like mrmoku are not there anymore Aug 08 15:43:42 so I need to do more and more Aug 08 15:43:52 GNUtoo, USB_ANDROID_ADB [=y] Android gadget adb function , is it this one? Aug 08 15:43:53 and even more now Aug 08 15:43:57 no you don't need you want Aug 08 15:44:18 else stuff is broken Aug 08 15:44:24 I really can't stand broken stuff Aug 08 15:44:29 specially if it worked before Aug 08 15:44:37 ayaka, yes Aug 08 15:44:42 but you can win against windmills Aug 08 15:44:58 do one thing after another Aug 08 15:45:12 I get nervous when stuff is broken Aug 08 15:45:12 good thing needs some time Aug 08 15:45:15 because I use the stuff Aug 08 15:45:28 now I can't use SHR anymore since some time Aug 08 15:45:33 browser is broken Aug 08 15:45:40 wifi is broken Aug 08 15:45:42 etc... Aug 08 15:45:55 altough gta04 was better but then it got worse Aug 08 15:46:02 gta02 remains usable tough Aug 08 15:46:26 if I don't touch the resources I guess Aug 08 15:46:43 becuase I can find msm_hsusb at kernel , I think the has been departed, I am not sure how to enable usb network in the new kernel Aug 08 15:46:44 we have to keep a minimum of stuff broken Aug 08 15:46:50 else I explode and our users quit Aug 08 15:47:10 basically I start doing one thing Aug 08 15:47:30 and then I've some issues because other stuff is broken Aug 08 15:47:40 other more crucial stuff Aug 08 15:47:54 so what should I do? let things detoriate? Aug 08 15:48:03 *deteriorate Aug 08 15:48:33 ayaka, ah? is there an android that uses that new kernel? Aug 08 15:48:55 I mean I'm doing GPS and I see some stuff arround: Aug 08 15:48:55 GNUtoo, yes I have got the new 3.06 kernel Aug 08 15:48:58 wifi stops working Aug 08 15:49:04 illumine segfault Aug 08 15:49:18 some stuff is not fixed since ages leading to the move to efle Aug 08 15:49:19 etc... Aug 08 15:49:51 and everybody has less and less time Aug 08 15:49:57 so problems increases Aug 08 15:50:14 and problems don't give us more devs, quite the contrary Aug 08 15:50:45 ayaka, try to get the config of android for that kernel and look inside what usb it is Aug 08 15:50:48 *usb driver Aug 08 15:51:46 if I continue GPS like that GPS would work Aug 08 15:51:46 and the device would become unusable Aug 08 15:51:53 if I stop GPS most work is lost Aug 08 15:51:55 for nothing Aug 08 15:52:04 if I do both I explode Aug 08 15:52:08 what should I do? Aug 08 15:52:17 there is no mrmoku to do that work right now Aug 08 15:52:34 we really need someone for shr deamons + illume userspace stuff Aug 08 15:52:40 GNUtoo, sadness, no Aug 08 15:52:42 (not oe but rather fix daemons etc...) Aug 08 15:53:07 that doesn't require too much time Aug 08 15:53:11 just to keep stuff working Aug 08 15:53:57 ayaka, look in kernel sources then Aug 08 15:54:01 look for : Aug 08 15:54:07 arch/arm/config/* Aug 08 15:54:11 for your device code Aug 08 15:54:13 grep -i it Aug 08 15:54:30 GNUtoo, yes sir Aug 08 15:54:35 like grep -i your-device-name-inside-the-kernel -r arch/arm/configs/* Aug 08 15:55:14 can I use android way, I know android can use usb network, but I don't know how now Aug 08 15:55:46 ayaka, probably that with the 3.0 kernel your adbd uses old sysfs and is too old Aug 08 15:55:50 strace it maybe Aug 08 15:55:51 to see Aug 08 15:56:40 morphis, the problem is also that you can't do one thing at one time if you have to sync with upstream..... Aug 08 15:56:52 in the last we did usb network, it need echo 6 > /sys/devices/platform/msm_hsusb/usb_function_switch Aug 08 15:56:56 you have to keep up with the developement rate of upstream Aug 08 15:57:00 else you're dead Aug 08 15:57:14 but if you do it in linux, it will block the script Aug 08 15:57:16 ayaka, what's that? Aug 08 15:57:22 ah ok Aug 08 15:57:23 hmmm Aug 08 15:57:32 do you have usbnet? Aug 08 15:57:46 GNUtoo, in android? yes always Aug 08 15:58:01 in GNU/Linux on target.... Aug 08 15:58:07 if so use ssh + ifconfig etc... Aug 08 15:58:22 maybe that would be easier Aug 08 15:58:23 GNUtoo: what do you mean with "upstream"? OE? Linux? Aug 08 15:58:44 morphis, all the stuff we have to ajust our software for, more efl than the rest Aug 08 15:58:50 I find usb_function_switch in /sys/devices/platform/android_usb Aug 08 15:58:55 morphis, and cornucopia too Aug 08 15:59:04 since you now change stuff Aug 08 15:59:40 ayaka, yes I don't know what that is, I know what usb function is tough Aug 08 15:59:49 and I really wonder why they still use usb function Aug 08 16:00:04 they should use the gadget framework like for samsung Aug 08 16:00:13 but it's qualcomm hardware so.... Aug 08 16:00:28 GNUtoo, yes echo 6 to it can enable usb network in android , but can't use adbd at the same time Aug 08 16:01:39 then echo 6 in GNU/Linux and try to ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.2 if usb0 is there and then try to ping it after ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.1 on the computer Aug 08 16:02:35 GNUtoo, can you give me a example which follow the standard? Aug 08 16:03:01 ? Aug 08 16:03:53 using gadget framework Aug 08 16:04:03 forget it Aug 08 16:04:12 yes sir Aug 08 16:04:17 it require rewriting part of the drivers for your device Aug 08 16:04:46 just make the usb function framework provides an usbnet interface Aug 08 16:04:46 and use that to get ssh Aug 08 16:05:01 after I do the debian, I will begin to learning msm-3.0 src Aug 08 16:13:55 ok Aug 08 16:14:17 but you would probably need a serial cable if you plan to work with mainline Aug 08 16:16:02 but the mobile doesn't support serial , it doesn't matter , can I use qemu? Aug 08 16:19:56 I don't know whether it works, ifconfig usb 192.168.99.110 seems block Aug 08 16:23:09 ayaka, ifconfig -a >> log Aug 08 16:24:01 morphis: jenkins is now idle if you like and have time we can continue building fso Aug 08 16:24:17 GNUtoo, I have it after the ifconfig usb 192.168.99.110 cmdline Aug 08 16:24:26 nschle85: I still have to fix the lack of the missing dependencies in fso-build Aug 08 16:24:30 then we can start another build Aug 08 16:24:41 ayaka, put it before Aug 08 16:25:46 morphis: ok Aug 08 16:27:08 morphis: are there newer debian packages available ? ill look how they managed to build fso Aug 08 16:27:36 nschle85: no, we have to compile and install them too within the build Aug 08 16:28:01 nschle85: ah you mean cornucopia? Aug 08 16:28:13 nschle85: I am part of the Debian FSO Packaging team Aug 08 16:28:48 GNUtoo, sometime it will load the initramfs, but somtime it works noramal , do you have any idea? Aug 08 16:29:15 morphis: yes i mean conrucopia, so i gues there is one big source package which creates all necessary packages without needing any FSO stuff installed Aug 08 16:29:57 for the debian packages? Aug 08 16:30:05 morphis: yes Aug 08 16:30:11 you are wrong :) Aug 08 16:30:22 each component is packaged separately Aug 08 16:30:32 and needs the other components to be installed for building Aug 08 16:30:40 but thats no problem with pbuilder for example Aug 08 16:31:20 morphis: ok there are many strategies to packe software so there is no golden way Aug 08 16:33:15 morphis: is there a possibility to make incremental builds ? scripts/builds starts always from scratch for probing builds its time consuming Aug 08 16:36:21 nschle85: we have to avoid using scripts/clean and remove the "git reset --hard" in scripts/update Aug 08 16:36:29 then incremental builds should work Aug 08 16:37:21 morphis: you can leave it in the scripts but what should i do in a console ? Aug 08 16:37:50 you mean for incremental builds? Aug 08 16:37:56 morphis: yes Aug 08 16:38:34 GNUtoo, yes I see usb0 , but still can't config ip Aug 08 16:38:43 as I said scripts/* has to be modified for that Aug 08 16:38:54 morphis: scripts/build seems always to re-configure Aug 08 16:39:25 then we have to make the configure step optional too Aug 08 16:39:53 morphis: ok, buts thats nice to have ... Aug 08 16:40:58 is it a possible that the whole system will stop working after a few minutes? Aug 08 16:42:07 ayaka, ifconfig usb0 ${the_ip} Aug 08 16:42:12 don't forget the 0 Aug 08 16:44:03 I am very sorry, I forget the 0, so it blocks Aug 08 16:48:55 it seems once boot normal the next time it will load initramfs Aug 08 16:49:24 morphis, adding the ifconfig plugin seem to make it work Aug 08 16:49:47 then it circling Aug 08 16:52:17 but there is no other bootloader Aug 08 16:52:38 ah it doesn't work Aug 08 16:52:44 maybe it works the first time only Aug 08 16:55:16 ifconfig doesn't print usb0 in the host computer Aug 08 16:55:48 ayaka: ifconfig -a Aug 08 16:56:31 yes ifconfig -a show it, but it because I have config it in /etc/network/interface Aug 08 16:56:59 ayaka: and its up or down ? Aug 08 16:57:43 nschle85, down without ip, but it should have ip as I have configed Aug 08 16:58:13 GNUtoo: can you show me the code? Aug 08 16:58:14 ayaka: ifup usb0 Aug 08 16:58:33 GNUtoo: if it's working we can get it into 0.12 before release Aug 08 17:00:11 I see, in mobile I see usb0 have been configed Aug 08 17:00:40 but why host computer don't config auto? Aug 08 17:01:21 ayaka: missing udev config ? Aug 08 17:01:36 ayaka: but first you shoult get it working manually Aug 08 17:02:00 nschle85, I don't think so, in android, when I enable usb0 in mobile, it will auto up Aug 08 17:02:32 ayaka: and what are you running now ? Aug 08 17:02:50 nschle85, debian wheezy armhf Aug 08 17:04:06 ayaka: so please ifconfig -a on your phone and pastebin (you can remove all the mac adresses) Aug 08 17:05:21 and then pastebin please your /etc/network/interfaces from your host (belonging usb0) Aug 08 17:08:57 nschle85, the config in host http://paste.debian.net/182803/ Aug 08 17:12:28 ayaka: i know you cannot pastebin from your phone but please send me the ip netmask gateway settings Aug 08 17:13:08 nschle85, I can, becuase I just rm log file, it is booting now Aug 08 17:13:44 ayaka: ok its a temporary problem ? Aug 08 17:14:41 nschle85, what? I need to debug X problem, so GNUtoo let me solve network or adbd problem fisrt Aug 08 17:15:12 ayaka: i thought you have usb network problem Aug 08 17:15:48 nschle85, it is true that I have this problem Aug 08 17:16:11 without it , we can't debug Aug 08 17:16:14 ayaka: and how do you acces your phone ? Aug 08 17:16:45 nschle85, fastboot to boot kernel, base files in sdcard Aug 08 17:17:42 ayaka: pardon, i dont understand. How do you ssh to your phone ? Aug 08 17:18:21 http://paste.debian.net/182806/ the usb0 part in mobile Aug 08 17:18:54 nschle85, no, I can't access it, because neither usb network nor adbd can work Aug 08 17:20:42 ayaka: i use ubuntu and usb often behaves strage too Aug 08 17:21:05 ayaka: network settings seems to be ok i think Aug 08 17:21:11 nschle85, which device are you using Aug 08 17:21:31 ayaka: GTA02 (long time ago) currently N900 Aug 08 17:22:45 nschle85, you are runing ubuntu on N900? Aug 08 17:22:55 ayaka: no, shr Aug 08 17:23:09 ayaka: ubuntu on host Aug 08 17:24:04 ayaka: i know PaulFertser: is using debian on its device... may be he can give some hint Aug 08 17:24:46 ayaka: which device do you have ? Aug 08 17:25:32 one of my best friends is runing linux on n900, my mobile is htc evo 3d Aug 08 17:26:04 ayaka: linux is the default os for N900 :-) Aug 08 17:26:43 ayaka: s/os/kernel Aug 08 17:27:21 nschle85, I knew it, he is runing debian on it Aug 08 17:28:51 ayaka: have you tried ifup usb0 ? Aug 08 17:29:33 nschle85, sorry, I am tring android's usb network Aug 08 17:30:06 ayaka: thats not a bad idea Aug 08 17:31:52 yes, I knew how to know how to enable usb network from android, but I want to why host doesn't ifup auto just now Aug 08 17:32:13 yes, it seems udev really have some problem Aug 08 17:33:51 ayaka: you should use in your host config: iface usb0 inet static and try with ifup/ifdown usb0 if that is working you can investigate hotplug Aug 08 17:35:09 GNUtoo, the ssh works! Aug 08 17:35:34 ayaka: ? usb problem solved ? Aug 08 17:35:42 but I forget the root passwd Aug 08 17:36:03 nschle85, yes, but adb problem still reminds Aug 08 17:36:15 ayaka: and did you solve ? Aug 08 17:36:24 ayaka: how ? Aug 08 17:36:49 nschle85, yes it need ifup in host, thank you very much Aug 08 17:36:56 ayaka, then just put some keys Aug 08 17:36:59 I'll go Aug 08 17:36:59 bbl Aug 08 17:37:31 GNUtoo, good bye thank you very much Aug 08 17:37:39 I knew how to use ssh Aug 08 17:37:52 ayaka: have you configured usb0 as inet static or hotplug ? Aug 08 17:38:12 it will go to sleep too( it is 1:37) Aug 08 17:38:24 ayaka: where are you from ? Aug 08 17:38:31 nschle85, hotplug, in debian, I have told to config in it Aug 08 17:40:34 I am not always plug in usb network Aug 08 17:40:53 nschle85, which version of your udev in the host? Aug 08 17:41:20 ayaka: i use ubuntu 12.04 LTS Aug 08 17:41:40 I am using debian wheezy, so it is udev 175 Aug 08 17:41:47 ayaka: i am using network manager and hotplug usb is broken there Aug 08 17:42:07 ayaka: so i use inet static and ifup and ifdown Aug 08 17:42:13 nschle85, I don't use it Aug 08 17:42:39 ayaka: youre from japan ? Aug 08 17:42:51 nschle85, are you using systemd in ubuntu? Aug 08 17:43:20 nschle85, it is a japanese woman name, but I am man ruled by evil CCP Aug 08 17:43:30 ayaka: puh... init scripts are still working Aug 08 17:44:06 nschle85, in my memories, ubuntu is using upstart from 8.10 Aug 08 17:44:21 ayaka: may be Aug 08 17:44:54 what is CCP Aug 08 17:44:56 ? Aug 08 17:45:27 but udev seems have a problem, but gnome safe remove is really have a problem Aug 08 17:46:12 nschle85, the only party which rules china continent, but it is offtopic, if you have interested, you can pm me Aug 08 17:47:43 if you are interested in it Aug 08 17:55:22 login in ssh, but I don't know what shall I do to make X works Aug 08 17:57:14 ayaka: you can export X to your host Aug 08 17:57:29 ayaka: so you have to call ssh -X ..... Aug 08 17:57:57 but before you have to allow your host accepting X Aug 08 17:58:07 I know it but X doesn't run at all , log here http://paste.debian.net/182763/ Aug 08 17:58:29 ayaka: X must no run Aug 08 17:58:51 ayaka: X11 is a library and hopefully X is running on your host Aug 08 17:59:09 so you can xhost + on your host Aug 08 17:59:19 and ssh -X ..... Aug 08 17:59:19 nschle85, yes, I just remember Aug 08 17:59:21 the host is the X server now Aug 08 17:59:42 then start a x program and it should be seen Aug 08 18:00:01 nschle85, it works Aug 08 18:05:31 ayaka: no you can attach a debugger running on your phone (open a new ssh and gdb) Aug 08 18:06:21 but what shall I debug, I just need to know how to config the X Aug 08 18:07:06 ayaka: ahh you have a problem running X server on your phone Aug 08 18:07:48 yes, GNUtoo and I have tried to config it, but failed Aug 08 18:08:16 ayaka: so using ssh -X is not what you need Aug 08 18:08:24 and the error message is different in 2.6.14 and 3.06 kernel Aug 08 18:08:44 ssh -Y only need xorg libs on target + xorg on host Aug 08 18:09:06 yes of course Aug 08 18:10:44 GNUtoo: ok now its your task... usb networking is working Aug 08 18:11:47 wow nice Aug 08 18:11:51 ssh is working too? Aug 08 18:11:55 yes Aug 08 18:21:05 does it cause by that I have two fb, becuase it is a 3D screen Aug 08 18:22:18 ayaka: if you have a 3D screen you should have 3 fb Aug 08 18:22:45 nschle85, no just 2, the same in android Aug 08 18:23:31 ayaka: how do you investigate the number of fb ? Aug 08 18:24:05 nschle85, cat /proc/fb Aug 08 18:24:39 ayaka: may be one for the phone one for externel connector Aug 08 18:25:06 nschle85, no I have only one screen Aug 08 18:25:43 ayaka: and external connector is not configured ? Aug 08 18:26:17 ayaka: i think you are searching in the wrong way Aug 08 18:26:32 nschle85, I don't know I have external connector at all Aug 08 18:26:59 if xserver does not start , you should read xserver logs Aug 08 18:27:26 yes, I think you have seen it Aug 08 18:27:40 ayaka: no Aug 08 18:27:44 I have read it, of course Aug 08 18:27:50 http://paste.debian.net/182763/ Aug 08 18:29:19 ayaka: and what have you found ? Aug 08 18:30:22 nschle85, it is too common just like before, GNUtoo told me that he haven't seen a error like [ 15.336] (EE) FBDEV(0): unrecognised fbdev hardware type (269488144) Aug 08 18:30:45 ayaka: 15.336] (EE) FBDEV(0): unrecognised fbdev hardware type (269488144) Aug 08 18:31:22 nschle85, yes he haven't seen it before I seen this log Aug 08 18:31:34 ayaka, having multiples fb is common Aug 08 18:31:40 but 3d screen isn't Aug 08 18:32:04 for instance omap has multiples fb Aug 08 18:32:04 samsung too Aug 08 18:32:05 etc... Aug 08 18:32:12 but they don't necessary have 3d screens Aug 08 18:32:24 I only use 3d when I take 3d picture Aug 08 18:32:25 it's rather for stuff like accelerations Aug 08 18:32:31 2d acceleration Aug 08 18:32:40 like for instance you put an fb on top of another Aug 08 18:32:40 GNUtoo, why it has multiples fb in omap Aug 08 18:32:43 GNUtoo: do you know who generates the message nrecognised fbdev hardware type (269488144) ? Aug 08 18:32:46 you switch from a fb to another Aug 08 18:32:47 etc... Aug 08 18:32:53 I don't need 3d screen at all Aug 08 18:33:05 you got ssh on it? Aug 08 18:33:22 ayaka: at the moment you have NO screen so dont care about 3d Aug 08 18:33:24 GNUtoo, yes I am sshing Aug 08 18:33:42 nschle85, even in android, I don't use it at all Aug 08 18:34:39 ayaka: ?? this i dont understand you get this message in android and you have a running x display ? Aug 08 18:34:40 ayaka, try using the framebuffer directly Aug 08 18:35:02 for instance does cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 work? Aug 08 18:35:05 nschle85, I am in debian now Aug 08 18:35:39 GNUtoo, cat: write error: No space left on device Aug 08 18:35:58 the same as fb1 Aug 08 18:36:05 yes but does it show something on fb? Aug 08 18:36:14 like for instance garbage on screen? Aug 08 18:36:46 not all, just the HTC logo Aug 08 18:37:24 hmmm Aug 08 18:37:36 try to display something on the screen then Aug 08 18:37:47 trough cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 work? Aug 08 18:37:51 s/?// Aug 08 18:37:51 GNUtoo meant: trough cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 work Aug 08 18:38:08