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Nov 04 16:02:18 <Nkokem>  DocScrutinizer05: the hint with the sleep message is cool, it kind of works. thx. although I installed a newer version now and iliwi seems to handle WPA correctly.
Nov 04 16:03:02 <Nkokem> however, the "home"-button does not bring me back to home. doesnt do anything. 
Nov 04 16:06:01 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I'm not an active user of this system any more right now, so probably can't help too much with recent problems
Nov 04 16:07:35 <GNUtoo> Nkokem, I know why
Nov 04 16:07:41 <GNUtoo> Nkokem, I reported the bug
Nov 04 16:08:18 <GNUtoo> http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/2060
Nov 04 16:08:28 <GNUtoo> try to look if something similar fixes it for you
Nov 04 16:08:33 <GNUtoo> and add it to the bugreport
Nov 04 17:36:50 <GNUtoo> Nkokem, did you get my messages?
Nov 04 18:02:51 <Nkokem> GNUtoo: I did, then I got problems with the xserver, it didndt start up. anyway. resintalled and did what you wrote in your bug report. seems to work... Ill chek it more..
Nov 04 18:03:28 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 18:03:42 <GNUtoo> I don't know how to override efl settings
Nov 04 18:03:46 <GNUtoo> maybe JaMa does
Nov 04 18:15:37 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: hi there. Very offtopic question but just in case: do you probably know how i can find the pinout for MT3329 mediatek bga gps chip? Want to locate an UART on a board.
Nov 04 18:15:55 <GNUtoo> PaulFertser, wow hi
Nov 04 18:16:26 <GNUtoo> about off-topic maybe #osmocom know better but there were schematics and picture, you should look on:
Nov 04 18:16:29 <GNUtoo> * osmocom wiki
Nov 04 18:16:31 <PaulFertser> I even found one chinese web-forum that has that but i'm unable to download.
Nov 04 18:16:33 <GNUtoo> * qi-hardware wiki
Nov 04 18:16:47 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: for the very same chip?
Nov 04 18:16:49 <PaulFertser> Wow
Nov 04 18:16:52 <GNUtoo> not sure
Nov 04 18:16:57 <GNUtoo> but it's mediatek
Nov 04 18:17:16 <PaulFertser> Mediatek is big :)
Nov 04 18:18:03 <GNUtoo> MTK 6235
Nov 04 18:18:16 <GNUtoo> that's what osmocombb people looked at
Nov 04 18:18:22 <GNUtoo> sorry
Nov 04 18:18:32 <GNUtoo> maybe harald welte's blog then
Nov 04 18:18:34 <GNUtoo> let me look
Nov 04 18:19:07 <GNUtoo>  The Alcatel OT-890D is a MT6573 based smartphone. It seems one of the UARTs is available on test pads as seen in this picture: 
Nov 04 18:19:08 <PaulFertser> Thanks anyway! I can get a nice small GPS usb stick for a school project i'm guiding but it has only USB output and i can't locate the UART without knowing which bga ball corresponds to it...
Nov 04 18:19:09 <GNUtoo> wrong too
Nov 04 18:19:11 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 18:20:15 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: thanks again, hope you're doing fine :)
Nov 04 18:31:31 <GNUtoo> I'm fighting against a camera
Nov 04 18:32:25 <GNUtoo> since 4 days
Nov 04 18:32:28 <GNUtoo> full time)
Nov 04 18:32:31 <GNUtoo> (
Nov 04 18:32:50 <GNUtoo> basically in omap4 there is a tiler/ducatti thing
Nov 04 18:32:56 <GNUtoo> the camera is connected to that
Nov 04 18:33:07 <GNUtoo> instead of v4l2
Nov 04 18:33:14 <GNUtoo> in the galaxy nexus
Nov 04 18:34:28 <PaulFertser> Eh, nasty.
Nov 04 18:36:48 <GNUtoo> indeed
Nov 04 18:36:56 <GNUtoo> I'm becoming mad again because of that
Nov 04 18:37:05 <[Rui]> hi all
Nov 04 18:37:50 <GNUtoo> hi
Nov 04 18:41:08 <[Rui]> I found out I have a problem with my GTA02 that's kind of shitty. Happens with SHR and qtmoko. Sometimes, on missed calls, I get a freeze
Nov 04 18:41:23 <[Rui]> I don't notice it until I pick the phone up and it's battery is depleted
Nov 04 18:41:37 <[Rui]> the main problem being the *sometimes*
Nov 04 18:41:44 <GNUtoo> ouch
Nov 04 18:41:58 <[Rui]> and then I never can boot
Nov 04 18:41:58 <GNUtoo> do you have the debug board?
Nov 04 18:42:04 <[Rui]> until I reinstall.
Nov 04 18:42:06 <[Rui]> no :(
Nov 04 18:42:10 <GNUtoo> hmmm
Nov 04 18:42:55 <[Rui]> I confess I was a bit tirwed of that happening frequently, so I decided to check wether it would work better with qtmoko, but it's the same, apparently.
Nov 04 18:43:04 <[Rui]> brb, diaper change on the kid
Nov 04 18:48:50 <[Rui]> back . :)
Nov 04 20:32:26 <PaulFertser> lol, i've spent more time understanding how to configure encryption and password for Wifi in qtmoko than i would have typed wpa_passphrase ssid > /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf manually using the virtual keyboard with qtmoko.
Nov 04 20:32:32 <PaulFertser> But qtmoko does work, and work fast!
Nov 04 20:32:35 <PaulFertser> On gta04 that is
Nov 04 20:36:16 <GNUtoo> lol
Nov 04 20:36:20 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 20:36:56 <GNUtoo> the big problem with GTA04 is that no fso active devs have GTA04 > A3
Nov 04 20:36:59 <GNUtoo> I've A3
Nov 04 20:37:05 <GNUtoo> and I'm maybe the last active dev
Nov 04 20:37:09 <GNUtoo> with slyon
Nov 04 20:37:15 <GNUtoo> but he's concentrated on debian
Nov 04 20:37:24 <GNUtoo> JaMa does the build system
Nov 04 20:37:32 <GNUtoo> and doesn't do much integration work
Nov 04 20:37:45 <GNUtoo> he also does a bit of kernel and efl
Nov 04 20:38:24 <PaulFertser> btw, if one just installs QtMoko and connects to the internet he'll immediately expose passwordless root access to the outside world.
Nov 04 20:38:39 <PaulFertser> What about Neil?
Nov 04 20:39:44 <GNUtoo> he's doing the kernel
Nov 04 20:39:50 <GNUtoo> but he's not an SHR dev
Nov 04 20:40:17 <GNUtoo> I mean that we need someone to integrate the GTA04 *hardware audio routing*
Nov 04 20:40:20 <GNUtoo> in fso
Nov 04 20:40:28 <GNUtoo> I can do it
Nov 04 20:40:34 <GNUtoo> but I don't have the hardware
Nov 04 20:40:50 <PaulFertser> My nearest plan with gta04 is of course to get back my Debian install to life and to compile FSO from git, i do not think i'm going to use qtmoko.
Nov 04 20:40:53 <GNUtoo> maybe it's worth not spending too much time on A3
Nov 04 20:41:01 <GNUtoo> because there are only 25 A3
Nov 04 20:41:05 <PaulFertser> But of course that'll take plenty of time to me.
Nov 04 20:41:06 <GNUtoo> and more than 200 A4
Nov 04 20:41:22 <GNUtoo> PaulFertser, for debian talk to slyon
Nov 04 20:41:27 <GNUtoo> he did the fso packages for it
Nov 04 20:41:32 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: i want to use FSO from the repo
Nov 04 20:41:32 <GNUtoo> with morphis's help maybe
Nov 04 20:42:00 <GNUtoo> yes he's integrating into real debian
Nov 04 20:42:07 <PaulFertser> I know
Nov 04 20:42:09 <GNUtoo> not another repo or fork or whatever
Nov 04 20:42:10 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 20:42:35 <PaulFertser> But i need sources readily available on the device itself to be able to do some quick hacks etc.
Nov 04 20:42:52 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 20:43:41 <PaulFertser> I copied qtmoko to sd card to be able to boot of something and to repair the debian install. Though i have to admit qtmoko is damn snappy and looks like a usual smartphone interface
Nov 04 20:44:00 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 20:44:14 <GNUtoo> did you try SHR (not very usable without hardware routing)
Nov 04 20:44:25 <GNUtoo> (because I didn't make a good forwarder)
Nov 04 20:44:42 <GNUtoo> note that the qtmoko forwarder had many design flaws
Nov 04 20:44:47 <GNUtoo> even if it seem to work better
Nov 04 20:44:51 <GNUtoo> and it didn't work for us
Nov 04 20:44:57 <GNUtoo> because we need dmix
Nov 04 20:45:10 <GNUtoo> else it fails to ring when you play music
Nov 04 20:45:16 <GNUtoo> with dmix you hear music + ring
Nov 04 20:45:34 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: well, i want to use my Emacs interface anyway so i do not really nead SHR, and also compiling OE is too often more pain than gain for me.
Nov 04 20:46:06 <PaulFertser> What i would really want is to have my gta02 work nicely but alas...
Nov 04 20:46:10 <GNUtoo> there is emacs in SHR
Nov 04 20:46:13 <PaulFertser> I know
Nov 04 20:46:22 <GNUtoo> even the X11 version
Nov 04 20:46:28 <PaulFertser> But why bother with OE when i can run stock Debian, what are the benefits?
Nov 04 20:46:45 <GNUtoo> better adapted to the device, faster etc...
Nov 04 20:47:42 <GNUtoo> (compiled with armv7-neon)
Nov 04 20:47:54 <PaulFertser> In theory, yes
Nov 04 20:48:00 <GNUtoo> ah?
Nov 04 20:48:05 <GNUtoo> more buggy also
Nov 04 20:48:14 <GNUtoo> but we're migrating to dany release of yocto
Nov 04 20:48:23 <GNUtoo> JaMa, should know more
Nov 04 20:48:24 <PaulFertser> Well, i always suffer more from bugs than from the slowness.
Nov 04 20:48:30 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 20:48:34 <GNUtoo> me too
Nov 04 20:48:46 <GNUtoo> maybe I should move to debian once ready
Nov 04 20:48:51 <GNUtoo> specially because it's more free
Nov 04 20:49:33 <GNUtoo> also on gta04 we lack xrandr -o 1
Nov 04 20:49:54 <GNUtoo> I investigated xf86-video-omap (not omapfb) which is based on the drm driver of omap
Nov 04 20:50:08 <GNUtoo> apart that it didn't work for me I talked to its author
Nov 04 20:50:21 <GNUtoo> rotation is implemented only for omap4 sadly.....
Nov 04 20:50:46 <GNUtoo> rotation is nice for games
Nov 04 20:51:19 <PaulFertser> Of course. I'm lucky i do not want to play any :)
Nov 04 20:51:34 <GNUtoo> I like the idea of having some, not that I play a lot
Nov 04 20:51:41 <GNUtoo> specially for promoting the device
Nov 04 20:52:32 <PaulFertser> I wonder if radekp really did not include jffs2 module so i can't mount the nand partition :-o
Nov 04 20:53:34 <GNUtoo> hmmm
Nov 04 20:53:54 <GNUtoo> what GUI would you use on debian?
Nov 04 20:55:13 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: i still use e17 on gta02, guess that's suboptimal but it sort of works...
Nov 04 20:55:50 <GNUtoo> ah if it does work it's great
Nov 04 20:55:59 <GNUtoo> I like efl but it's really buggy on SHR
Nov 04 20:56:05 <GNUtoo> and we depend a lot on it
Nov 04 20:56:11 <GNUtoo> I hope that it will change in the future
Nov 04 20:58:45 <PaulFertser> hm, "apt-get source linux-image-3.5-qtmoko-gta04" doesn't work either :/
Nov 04 21:01:30 <GNUtoo> PaulFertser, also fso works with the 3.4 kernel
Nov 04 21:01:37 <GNUtoo> it's easy to make it work with 3.5
Nov 04 21:01:43 <GNUtoo> but we lack manpower
Nov 04 21:01:49 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: well, that's ok, but i just wanted to be able to boot from sd to mount my jffs2 partition...
Nov 04 21:01:52 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 21:02:07 <GNUtoo> I can look if we have JFFS2 in SHR if you want....
Nov 04 21:04:46 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: kernel modules are not that easy to mix :)
Nov 04 21:05:07 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: so no, thanks, i guess i'm just doomed to compile my own kernel for almost all the devices i use...
Nov 04 21:07:26 <GNUtoo> lol
Nov 04 21:07:27 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 21:07:37 <GNUtoo> my idea was to install SHR on microsd
Nov 04 21:07:44 <GNUtoo> and to boot from microsd
Nov 04 21:08:05 <GNUtoo> and to repair debian chrooting into it
Nov 04 21:08:07 <GNUtoo> from SHR
Nov 04 21:09:23 <PaulFertser> That sounds like a plan too. Well, i'll consider it, thanks :) I guess i just wanted to take a look at qtmoko as it really works for many users now.
Nov 04 21:09:54 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 21:10:03 <GNUtoo> it works well with A5?
Nov 04 21:10:11 <GNUtoo> or A4
Nov 04 21:10:35 <PaulFertser> TBH, no idea, we need to ask Radek.
Nov 04 21:11:18 <PaulFertser> DAMN, no text editor in QtMoko, i'll install ed :E
Nov 04 21:13:02 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 21:13:17 <GNUtoo> also last time I tested QTmoko it failed for me
Nov 04 21:13:22 <GNUtoo> I'm in italy
Nov 04 21:13:26 <GNUtoo> and it's a noisy country
Nov 04 21:13:39 <GNUtoo> the phone call was too low in volume
Nov 04 21:13:43 <GNUtoo> even with the GUI
Nov 04 21:13:53 <GNUtoo> *even with the alsamixer GUI
Nov 04 21:13:58 <GNUtoo> the default one
Nov 04 21:14:09 <GNUtoo> (the default one of qtmoko)
Nov 04 21:14:13 <GNUtoo> (not alsamixer)
Nov 04 21:14:20 <GNUtoo> (qt GUI)
Nov 04 21:17:38 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: does wifi performance with that libertas driver not suck for you?
Nov 04 21:18:08 <GNUtoo> for me it's ok
Nov 04 21:18:15 <GNUtoo> but I didn't test extensively
Nov 04 21:18:22 <GNUtoo> I just used as a normal user
Nov 04 21:18:35 <GNUtoo> I think perfs are low
Nov 04 21:18:38 <GNUtoo> and I didn't noticed
Nov 04 21:18:55 <PaulFertser> ~30kbyte/s for me :-o
Nov 04 21:23:03 <PaulFertser> Ok, needed to down/up the interface and it's now fine.
Nov 04 21:23:11 <PaulFertser> Or not
Nov 04 21:23:15 <PaulFertser> Meh, sleep time
Nov 04 21:23:24 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: thanks again! And wishing you best of luck!
Nov 04 21:24:16 <GNUtoo> ok thanks
Nov 04 21:36:05 <PaulFertser> reloading libertas_sdio doesn't work, meh
Nov 04 21:44:24 <GNUtoo> PaulFertser, ah what's the issue?
Nov 04 21:44:38 <GNUtoo> how much k/s do you get?
Nov 04 21:44:42 <GNUtoo> + dmesg 
Nov 04 21:45:17 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: just probe failed after reloading. That's with 3.5. The wifi performance problem seems to be known: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/libertas-dev/2012-June/003819.html
Nov 04 21:46:03 <PaulFertser> I get probably ~30kbyte/s from local source
Nov 04 21:50:15 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Nov 04 21:50:16 <GNUtoo> ouch
Nov 04 21:50:20 <GNUtoo> I get something like 100k 
Nov 04 21:50:24 <GNUtoo> if I remember well
Nov 04 21:50:27 <GNUtoo> let me try
Nov 04 21:51:46 <GNUtoo> how can I test?
Nov 04 21:51:50 <GNUtoo> wget?
Nov 04 21:51:57 <PaulFertser> I tried wgetting from a local server, yes
Nov 04 21:52:40 <PaulFertser> Now i get ~100kbyte/s but that's pathetic indeed
Nov 04 21:53:40 <GNUtoo> hmmm
Nov 04 21:54:13 <GNUtoo> since I dev on the phone it got non-working wifi
Nov 04 21:54:17 <GNUtoo> I played with the kernel
Nov 04 21:54:21 <GNUtoo> to get xv
Nov 04 21:54:45 <PaulFertser> I also run iperf on my wifi router itself so i can measure with it.
Nov 04 21:55:00 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 22:08:21 <GNUtoo> let me test
Nov 04 22:08:25 <GNUtoo> I was lacking the firmware
Nov 04 22:10:17 <PaulFertser> I guess when wifi sucks that much it's more important than lack of landscape mode.
Nov 04 22:13:29 <GNUtoo> ah?
Nov 04 22:14:51 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: apparently with recent kernels wifi performance is 10x worse than it should be, so gta04 would feel even more limited :(
Nov 04 22:15:07 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 22:15:11 <GNUtoo> try 3.4 then
Nov 04 22:15:14 <GNUtoo> let me try
Nov 04 22:15:29 <PaulFertser> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/libertas-dev/2012-June/003819.html suggests it won't work too
Nov 04 22:16:54 <zear> hello
Nov 04 22:18:21 <zear> after a short and unpleasant adventure with android phone i decided to revive my gta02
Nov 04 22:18:31 <zear> i noticed that there is some SHR progress towards gta04
Nov 04 22:18:52 <zear> and here goes my question - do any SHR changes to gta04 benefit gta02?
Nov 04 22:19:06 <zear> or is gta02 support suspended now?
Nov 04 22:20:35 <PaulFertser> ksoftirqd/0 hogs cpu like mad
Nov 04 22:21:30 <PaulFertser> zear: i think gta02 is supported by FSO better than gta04.
Nov 04 22:21:52 <zear> PaulFertser, i'm currently using a very old (2009?) version of shr on my gta02
Nov 04 22:21:58 <zear> it works quite good except one small detail
Nov 04 22:22:05 <zear> the phone log app crashes
Nov 04 22:22:13 <GNUtoo> hmmm I need a better wget
Nov 04 22:22:14 <zear> iirc it was library issues
Nov 04 22:22:36 <GNUtoo> zear, some stuff is common between gta02 and gta04
Nov 04 22:22:43 <GNUtoo> like the packages update
Nov 04 22:22:47 <GNUtoo> what is not common is the kernel
Nov 04 22:22:52 <zear> luckily i have a second gta02, so i can test the latest SHR without a fear of ending up with a worse system
Nov 04 22:22:58 <GNUtoo> and the device specfic stuff like in fso 
Nov 04 22:23:24 <zear> GNUtoo, so basically the userland is the same?
Nov 04 22:23:45 <zear> my concern is whether gta04 changes in the userland won't make it run slower on gta02
Nov 04 22:24:34 <GNUtoo> no
Nov 04 22:24:41 <GNUtoo> that's very unlikely
Nov 04 22:24:44 <zear> glad to hear this
Nov 04 22:24:53 <GNUtoo> however maybe efl got slower
Nov 04 22:24:57 <GNUtoo> you'll have to check
Nov 04 22:25:03 <zear> i sure will
Nov 04 22:25:19 <zear> right now i need a fully functional phone (calling, texting, phone log)
Nov 04 22:25:36 <zear> if the latest SHR provides that, i'm willing to test it
Nov 04 22:25:38 <GNUtoo> be sure to test it before relying on it
Nov 04 22:25:44 <GNUtoo> and reports the bugs if any
Nov 04 22:25:59 <GNUtoo> I don't use released images.....
Nov 04 22:26:01 <zear> that's why i mentioned having two units makes it handy
Nov 04 22:26:04 <GNUtoo> so I don't know
Nov 04 22:26:08 <zear> i can test it on the redundant gta02
Nov 04 22:26:12 <GNUtoo> my setup is the following:
Nov 04 22:26:14 <zear> before flashing the main one
Nov 04 22:26:17 <GNUtoo> -> I build images myself
Nov 04 22:26:25 <GNUtoo> -> with fso autorev
Nov 04 22:26:33 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 22:27:45 <GNUtoo> PaulFertser, I've nmon
Nov 04 22:27:48 <zear> is there any progress in the gpu drivers since the release of it's docs?
Nov 04 22:27:55 <zear> *-s
Nov 04 22:28:01 <GNUtoo> zear, no
Nov 04 22:28:05 <zear> ah, too bad
Nov 04 22:28:08 <GNUtoo> but contributions in code are welcome
Nov 04 22:28:22 <zear> not so lowlevel i'm affraid
Nov 04 22:28:23 <GNUtoo> some stuff are worse than before
Nov 04 22:28:25 <GNUtoo> and some are better
Nov 04 22:28:50 <GNUtoo> what's worse is GPS and the glamo lost some of its video decoding offload accelration
Nov 04 22:29:01 <zear> so not features i'm interested in
Nov 04 22:29:06 <GNUtoo> ok
Nov 04 22:29:09 <GNUtoo> GPS works
Nov 04 22:29:12 <GNUtoo> but without AGPS
Nov 04 22:29:22 <GNUtoo> it was lost during the migration to gpsd
Nov 04 22:29:41 <GNUtoo> basically we migrated gta04 to newer gpsd
Nov 04 22:29:49 <GNUtoo> that created a newer gpsd version in oe
Nov 04 22:29:57 <GNUtoo> that made apps compiled on old gpsd break
Nov 04 22:30:10 <GNUtoo> so we had to upgrade gta02 to gpsd to make gps still work
Nov 04 22:30:31 <zear> i don't think i ever had AGPS support
Nov 04 22:30:45 <zear> since the GPS fix was always taking minutes
Nov 04 22:30:58 <GNUtoo> you had
Nov 04 22:31:03 <GNUtoo> you didn't see it
Nov 04 22:31:10 <zear> ah :)
Nov 04 22:31:18 <GNUtoo> and you didn't use it either
Nov 04 22:31:26 <GNUtoo> because AGPS only worked like that:
Nov 04 22:31:30 <GNUtoo> get a fix
Nov 04 22:31:41 <GNUtoo> power off gps, and just before save the fix
Nov 04 22:31:50 <GNUtoo> and restore the fix at next start
Nov 04 22:31:51 <GNUtoo> however the fix only last some hours
Nov 04 22:32:01 <GNUtoo> because after the gps data becomes invalid
Nov 04 22:33:38 <GNUtoo> PaulFertser, between 100k/s and 120k/s
Nov 04 22:33:58 <zear> ah
Nov 04 22:37:00 <GNUtoo> PaulFertser, why are you looking for high bitrates btw?
Nov 04 22:37:21 <GNUtoo> because usually mobiles devices use PSM or some sort of power management that degrade quality
Nov 04 22:37:27 <GNUtoo> s/quality/speed/
Nov 04 22:37:32 <GNUtoo> for getting more battery life
Nov 04 22:42:13 <GNUtoo> hi antrik 
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