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Nov 10 06:34:00 <PaulFertser> Guys, what's wrong with my "lsfsor" (list FSO resources) implementation http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/461 ? Is there a replacement way?
Nov 10 06:36:00 <PaulFertser> trac.freesmartphone.org still lacks IPv6 :(
Nov 10 06:44:21 <PaulFertser> Damn http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674821 as already reported by Neil
Nov 10 06:49:05 <PaulFertser> Guess i'll try evtouch instead then.
Nov 10 06:49:43 <PaulFertser> Or mutouch
Nov 10 06:51:39 <PaulFertser> evdev that is :)
Nov 10 07:04:39 <PaulFertser> xinput-calibrator works fine, would be cool if it was packaged for Debian (currently ubuntu package works too).
Nov 10 07:20:35 <PaulFertser> Damn, icewm mmaps xpm files in a way that fails with jffs2 (while apt-get and dpkg work fine; the only problem noticed so far is locale generation).
Nov 10 08:13:26 <lindi-> PaulFertser: is ubifs any better?
Nov 10 10:39:26 <waraqa> Hi
Nov 10 10:40:43 <waraqa> In current shr release, Where is the option to switch usb mode ?
Nov 10 12:09:22 <waraqa> anybody here ?
Nov 10 12:13:52 <Nkokem> Hi there. wow, this is weird (to me anyway): I start SHR, everything fine. I put a .profile with some ls-aliases in root-home, reboot and xserver doesn't start up. I delete .profile, reboot and X works again. What is happening?
Nov 10 14:23:17 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i do not know. And it's probably libxmp's fault, not icewm, i haven't investigated yet.
Nov 10 14:56:10 <PaulFertser> While laying on my table attached to USB gta04 heats up like mad.
Nov 10 14:56:56 <pabs3> waraqa: try one of these: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host
Nov 10 14:59:15 <PaulFertser> waraqa: if you're using gta02, then get om-hacks and use "om" command, it should work everywhere just fine.
Nov 10 15:08:02 <PaulFertser> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=opimd-utils.git;a=summary has a wrong link to anonymous clone
Nov 10 15:28:11 <PaulFertser> FSO api hasn't change much, my fso.el is almost compatible, just one minor trick is needed.
Nov 10 16:41:55 <PaulFertser> Hm, strange, it feels like my emacs24 looses some dbus signals.
Nov 10 17:16:30 <radekp> PaulFertser: it heats up probably because you are using old kernel - new 3.5 kernels have quite good power management
Nov 10 17:16:48 <PaulFertser> radekp: ok, i will switch soon, thanks for the hint :)
Nov 10 17:18:06 <radekp> PaulFertser: i nearly couldnt charge it with 2.6.32 kernel - so much power it was using. 3.5 kernel takes bewlow 100mA witch display off and around 30mA in suspend
Nov 10 17:18:34 <PaulFertser> radekp: 30mA still sounds huge for s2ram...
Nov 10 17:19:08 <radekp> PaulFertser: well sometimes it's 22mA (when i am at home) and sometimes it's 33mA (at work)
Nov 10 17:19:28 <radekp> PaulFertser: yup it sucks, but nobody has fixed it yet
Nov 10 17:19:31 <PaulFertser> radekp: is it possible some powersaving features of the modem are disabled?
Nov 10 17:20:18 <radekp> PaulFertser: probably - i tried to power off the modem - but then it was eating even more - so something is wrong...
Nov 10 17:21:18 <radekp> PaulFertser: but yes - for me it looks like some mA are from modem - this can be explained by signal strength
Nov 10 17:22:05 <PaulFertser> radekp: :(
Nov 10 17:22:06 <radekp> PaulFertser: but i havent found any AT command which could improve it - something like deep sleep
Nov 10 17:22:28 <PaulFertser> Goldelic should have proper docs
Nov 10 17:23:09 <radekp> yup
Nov 10 17:23:48 <PaulFertser> And easy-to-use lab equipment to be able to measure the actual power consumption...
Nov 10 17:28:09 <radekp> i was hoping that GTA04 can beat Freerunner in power consumption - we have schematics and much better possibilities for debugging it, but it looks not many people are really interested in it
Nov 10 17:29:35 <PaulFertser> One can't count on the community for the core functionality.
Nov 10 17:30:02 <PaulFertser> Only a tightly coupled team with clear goals can do that, imho. 
Nov 10 17:31:09 <radekp> Neil Brown did quite incredible job in this area - but maybe it's impossible to do more steps now without HW modifications and measuring
Nov 10 18:03:41 <waraqa> PaulFertser: What is om-hacks ?
Nov 10 18:03:51 <waraqa> Is it a package ?
Nov 10 18:04:01 <PaulFertser> waraqa: yes, in Debian
Nov 10 18:04:08 <PaulFertser> omhacks
Nov 10 18:04:30 <PaulFertser> I guess it should be available in SHR too.
Nov 10 18:04:46 <waraqa> That's right
Nov 10 18:05:13 <waraqa> but earlier, it was possible to change usb mode through settings
Nov 10 18:05:27 <waraqa> now, I can't find it
Nov 10 18:06:42 <PaulFertser> waraqa: do you meen the org.freesmartphone.odeviced API? What do you think was changed?
Nov 10 18:07:13 <waraqa> PaulFertser: I mean I was using only gui to change it
Nov 10 18:07:33 <PaulFertser> I do not know anything about the guis...
Nov 10 18:08:20 <waraqa> Who is maintaining the settings application ?
Nov 10 18:08:21 <PaulFertser> I know Emacs24 with current Debian unstable somehow delays processing of dbus signals :( even though i see them instantly with mdbus2 and not all signals are delayed. 
Nov 10 18:08:40 <PaulFertser> shr-settings? I think dos did.
Nov 10 18:08:55 <waraqa> ok
Nov 10 18:46:45 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: hi! sorry for not mentioning mdbus2 earlier when you asked me about sending messages with cli.
Nov 10 18:47:24 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: have you seen my fsodeviced alsa fix, how should i proceed with it?
Nov 10 18:47:41 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, I've not yet seen it, where is it?
Nov 10 18:47:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> bugreported in SHR?
Nov 10 18:47:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> or patch sent?
Nov 10 18:49:16 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: http://paste.debian.net/207844/ also i would like somebody paying attention to http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/461 
Nov 10 18:50:03 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: also, since you're working with gta04, this might be of interest http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/713
Nov 10 18:51:40 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: btw, my Emacs interface seem to be "almost" working. Somehow some signals (related to opimd updates) are getting delayed :-o
Nov 10 18:51:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, did you send the first patch somewhere?
Nov 10 18:52:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> and btw I know mdbus2
Nov 10 18:52:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> I use it all the time
Nov 10 18:52:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> but it's longer to:
Nov 10 18:52:28 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: no as i'm not sure it's the right solution.
Nov 10 18:52:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> 1) opimd-cli to get the contact name
Nov 10 18:52:39 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: i can create a ticket.
Nov 10 18:52:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> 2) type ultra long command with the phone number retrived from 1)
Nov 10 18:52:59 <GNUtoo-desktop> than to have something already made
Nov 10 18:53:07 <GNUtoo-desktop> hmmm
Nov 10 18:53:18 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, maybe send to fso ml+morphis
Nov 10 18:53:58 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: should trac ticket work for that as well? That seems to be a minor bug related to me using an old kernel which has different number of alsa controls.
Nov 10 18:54:13 <PaulFertser> With new scenario.
Nov 10 18:54:36 <GNUtoo-desktop> ah?
Nov 10 18:54:53 <GNUtoo-desktop> basically we have some fso maintenance issue:
Nov 10 18:55:25 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: how i load fso.el: i do M-: (load-file ~/fso-el/fso.el) then "nothing happens", then i just do M-x fso and it seems to be working. I'll push two minor fixes shortly.
Nov 10 18:55:26 <GNUtoo-desktop> morphis, which was the last fso official maintainer is now busy with that open webos ports projects that doesn't even uses fso
Nov 10 18:55:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 10 18:56:14 <GNUtoo-desktop> me and slyon have still commit access to fso tough
Nov 10 18:56:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> and we're both somehow active
Nov 10 18:56:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> but since I don't understand well your patch and you are not sure about it either, I'll wait for you to be sure about it
Nov 10 18:58:54 <PaulFertser> fso-el fixes pushed out
Nov 10 18:59:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 10 19:03:29 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: the idea of my patch is simple: i would expect get_used() to return the number of elements in the list. The elements are numbered from 0. So the check is apparently off-by-one. It did cause fsodeviced to crash on alsalib assertion, with my patch applied it no longer does.
Nov 10 19:05:01 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 10 19:05:06 <GNUtoo-desktop> then I merge the patch?
Nov 10 19:08:31 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: if the assumptions i stated seem to be sane, yes, please do.
Nov 10 19:08:50 <PaulFertser> Just verified sending a message via SMS with fso.el, worked fine.
Nov 10 19:09:09 <GNUtoo-desktop> git-send-email
Nov 10 19:09:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> or at least git-format-patch -1
Nov 10 19:12:18 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: http://paste.debian.net/208114/ sorry!
Nov 10 19:13:37 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, does the pastebin break patches?
Nov 10 19:14:16 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: no, it's not supposed to http://paste.debian.net/download/208114 should work just fine
Nov 10 19:15:27 <PaulFertser> Yes, cmp says they're equal.
Nov 10 19:15:32 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 10 19:15:36 <GNUtoo-desktop> I'll merge it then
Nov 10 19:19:58 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: thank you! Btw, i'm using lsfsor.py for several years already, it helped me a lot.
Nov 10 19:20:27 <GNUtoo-desktop> we need to merge that also
Nov 10 19:21:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, give me some minutes for the merge, I must power on my builder
Nov 10 19:21:58 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: no hurry at all. I just want to understand what's currently happening in the FSO-land.
Nov 10 19:22:05 <PaulFertser> Where did mickey go?
Nov 10 19:22:10 <PaulFertser> He used to be here.
Nov 10 19:22:20 <PaulFertser> Even though not active.
Nov 10 19:22:59 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, he's not active at all anymore
Nov 10 19:23:07 <GNUtoo-desktop> and morphis is in maintenance mode
Nov 10 19:23:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> so what's hapennign is that slyon and me are making commits
Nov 10 19:23:29 <GNUtoo-desktop> and morphis merge them in the release branch
Nov 10 19:37:26 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, ok it compiled
Nov 10 19:37:29 <GNUtoo-desktop> I'll push it
Nov 10 19:37:48 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: thank you!
Nov 10 19:38:21 <GNUtoo-desktop> done
Nov 10 19:51:14 <radekp> GNUtoo-desktop: hi, do you know if morphis is doing the webos for GTA04 or some closed phone?
Nov 10 19:51:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> galaxy nexus
Nov 10 19:51:39 <GNUtoo-desktop> because of the 3d blobs
Nov 10 19:52:00 <GNUtoo-desktop> they require non-free 3d to work 
Nov 10 20:04:42 <PaulFertser> Another small fix and improvement to fso.el.
Nov 10 20:05:45 <PaulFertser> It seems to be working fine with current FSO version. The only thing i do not understand yet is that sometimes dbus signal handling is delayed for like 30 minutes or some similar strange magic.
Nov 10 20:05:52 <PaulFertser> I wonder why nobody uses it :(
Nov 10 20:11:57 <PaulFertser> I confirmed fso.el works nicely with emacs23 23.4+1-4 but with emacs24 24.2+1-1 some dbus signals are delayed, with exactly the same code.
Nov 10 20:12:41 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 10 20:12:44 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-desktop: so if you're interested, please try fso.el current git HEAD, i've fixed two minor annoyances since i last pinged you with emacs23, i'm really open for suggestions.
Nov 10 20:12:59 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes but I've an issue with emacs:
Nov 10 20:13:03 <GNUtoo-desktop> it works only in Xorg
Nov 10 20:13:09 <GNUtoo-desktop> like gtk version
Nov 10 20:13:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> else it uses 100% CPU
Nov 10 20:13:18 <PaulFertser> It doesn't, it works in console too with "emacs -nw".
Nov 10 20:13:39 <GNUtoo-desktop> reguardless of fso.el
Nov 10 20:13:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes, emacs -nw uses 100% CPU
Nov 10 20:13:58 <PaulFertser> Hm, if you connect to the phone with ssh -Y and use "emacsclient -c" you'll get emacs X11 on your current big shiny screen.
Nov 10 20:14:13 <PaulFertser> Probably some oddity with OE's emacs version.
Nov 10 20:14:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes
Nov 10 20:18:05 <waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: Hi
Nov 10 20:18:32 <GNUtoo-desktop> waraqa, hi
Nov 10 20:18:49 <waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: I got a new a uSD card if you remember me
Nov 10 20:20:11 <waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: Now, I have managed to get my FR working with shr
Nov 10 20:20:36 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 10 20:21:22 <waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: Do you think I can help If I'm not a developer or I have to learn Vala first ?
Nov 10 20:27:23 <GNUtoo-desktop> waraqa, there are a lot of ways to help
Nov 10 20:27:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> the obvious one is doing testing and reporting bugs
Nov 10 20:27:49 <waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: Ok
Nov 10 20:28:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> but if you can upgrade yourself to developer it would be so great
Nov 10 20:28:48 <waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: sometimes I feel that there is a lot of tickets that will take long time to be fixed
Nov 10 20:29:12 <waraqa> That's why I'm asking I need to be a developer
Nov 10 20:31:09 <GNUtoo-desktop> every help is welcome
Nov 10 20:31:21 <GNUtoo-desktop> because currently fso+shr is not in a very good state
Nov 10 20:31:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> because of lack of developers manpower
Nov 10 20:31:29 <waraqa> aha
Nov 10 20:31:42 <waraqa> Ok, Can you tell me the most important field to cocenterate on If I started to learn programming ?
Nov 10 20:32:01 <GNUtoo-desktop> it depend
Nov 10 20:32:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> I think the best way is that:
Nov 10 20:32:18 <GNUtoo-desktop> 1) use the gta02
Nov 10 20:32:21 <waraqa> I don't know where to start
Nov 10 20:32:26 <GNUtoo-desktop> 2 ) make it work for your use case
Nov 10 20:32:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> for instance if AGPS doesn't work and you need AGPS, try to see how to fix it
Nov 10 20:33:16 <waraqa> Very good
Nov 10 20:34:15 <waraqa> What programming language I need to learn first ?
Nov 10 20:37:56 <waraqa> Are there a list of skills needed to participate in developing fso+shr ?
Nov 10 20:39:10 <GNUtoo-desktop> it depends on what area you want to work on:
Nov 10 20:39:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> since you're focussing on gta02 let's see what there is todo on gta02:
Nov 10 20:39:40 <GNUtoo-desktop> -> make bluetoothd work out of the box
Nov 10 20:39:47 <GNUtoo-desktop> requirements: vala for fso
Nov 10 20:40:05 <waraqa> aha
Nov 10 20:40:20 <GNUtoo-desktop> + the language of emtooth2
Nov 10 20:40:57 <waraqa> Ok, That's what I'm looking for
Nov 10 20:41:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> you want bluetooth then?
Nov 10 20:41:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> like bluetooth audio
Nov 10 20:41:38 <GNUtoo-desktop> I think keyboards works fine
Nov 10 20:41:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> but not the audio
Nov 10 20:42:26 <GNUtoo-desktop> emtooth2 is in vala
Nov 10 20:42:29 <waraqa> bluetooth audio means making bluetooth headset work ?
Nov 10 20:42:37 <GNUtoo-desktop> then you need to be able to build SHR too
Nov 10 20:42:43 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes
Nov 10 20:42:52 <waraqa> Ok
Nov 10 20:42:55 <GNUtoo-desktop> they work but really badly and not out of the box
Nov 10 20:43:38 <GNUtoo-desktop> let me modify the TODO page for you
Nov 10 20:43:42 <waraqa> Do I need to build shr every time I change the code ?
Nov 10 20:43:55 <GNUtoo-desktop> not the full shr from scratch
Nov 10 20:44:04 <GNUtoo-desktop> you can do incremental builds
Nov 10 20:44:10 <GNUtoo-desktop> or build only emtooth2
Nov 10 20:44:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> or only fso
Nov 10 20:44:18 <waraqa> no need to change TODO for me
Nov 10 20:44:34 <waraqa> ok
Nov 10 20:44:40 <waraqa> I need to learn Vala vala first
Nov 10 20:44:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/OM-GTA02
Nov 10 20:45:02 <GNUtoo-desktop> I'll add the skills
Nov 10 20:45:12 <waraqa> ok
Nov 10 20:47:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok done
Nov 10 20:48:04 <GNUtoo-desktop> the none means that it's it's mostly configuration
Nov 10 20:48:18 <waraqa> Good job
Nov 10 20:48:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> kernel is hard for people usually
Nov 10 20:49:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> bluetooth makes it usable for playing music easily
Nov 10 20:49:40 <GNUtoo-desktop> but requires vala
Nov 10 20:49:53 <waraqa> Is bluetooth work the easiest one to start with ?
Nov 10 20:49:58 <GNUtoo-desktop> the xrandr 320x240 is much easier than it seems
Nov 10 20:50:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> the easiest one....hmmmm
Nov 10 20:50:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> probably GPS
Nov 10 20:50:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> but I'm not sure
Nov 10 20:51:04 <GNUtoo-desktop> basically you have hooks
Nov 10 20:51:08 <waraqa> anyway, I will take your advice
Nov 10 20:51:09 <GNUtoo-desktop> let me explain
Nov 10 20:52:07 <GNUtoo-desktop> ssh into your gta02 and do that:
Nov 10 20:52:20 <GNUtoo-desktop> cat /etc/gpsd/device-hook
Nov 10 20:52:27 <GNUtoo-desktop> it would print something like that:
Nov 10 20:52:35 <GNUtoo-desktop> if [ "$2" = "ACTIVATE" ];then
Nov 10 20:52:41 <GNUtoo-desktop>     om gps power 1
Nov 10 20:52:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> else
Nov 10 20:52:50 <GNUtoo-desktop>     om gps power 0
Nov 10 20:52:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> fi
Nov 10 20:53:06 <GNUtoo-desktop> let me explain how it works now
Nov 10 20:53:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> gpsd is socket based
Nov 10 20:53:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> you access the socket
Nov 10 20:53:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> gpsd detects it
Nov 10 20:53:30 <GNUtoo-desktop> it will run the hook script
Nov 10 20:53:38 <GNUtoo-desktop> which will enable the GTA02 GPS
Nov 10 20:53:43 <GNUtoo-desktop> and when you quit
Nov 10 20:53:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> and wait a bit
Nov 10 20:53:52 <GNUtoo-desktop> it will power it off
Nov 10 20:53:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> that's how it works now
Nov 10 20:54:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> the ideal would be to use the hook to make it switch to ubx
Nov 10 20:54:21 <GNUtoo-desktop> and to inject the AGPS data
Nov 10 20:54:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> so you'll probably try to use some existnig programs to do that
Nov 10 20:55:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> but the issue is that it may require modifying gpsd if that fails
Nov 10 20:55:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> which is way harder
Nov 10 20:55:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> and require C programming
Nov 10 20:55:52 <GNUtoo-desktop> for bluetooth you'll need to try to integrate in fso or emtooth2 a way to make it work out of the box
Nov 10 20:55:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> it already works
Nov 10 20:55:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> but manually
Nov 10 20:55:59 <GNUtoo-desktop> like that:
Nov 10 20:56:39 <GNUtoo-desktop> opkg install libasound-module-bluez
Nov 10 20:56:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:GNUtoo
Nov 10 20:56:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> basically what's in the link
Nov 10 20:58:04 <GNUtoo-desktop> and that's only part of it
Nov 10 20:58:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> that's for Music
Nov 10 20:58:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> for calls it's a different way
Nov 10 20:58:29 <GNUtoo-desktop> I think you need to play with a program for enabling it for calls
Nov 10 20:58:44 <waraqa> Oh
Nov 10 20:58:58 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Implementations/fsoaudiod/RoutingUsecases#Openmoko_GTA02 has details for calls
Nov 10 20:59:43 <GNUtoo-desktop> else calls work but aren't routed trough the headset
Nov 10 21:00:06 <GNUtoo-desktop> basically anything better than the current situation would be so great
Nov 10 21:00:46 <waraqa> So, I have to make the change automatic when a call is being recieved
Nov 10 21:01:21 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes but not yet
Nov 10 21:01:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> I think the bluetooth can be broke in parts
Nov 10 21:01:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> do you care more about music or calls on the headset?
Nov 10 21:02:09 <GNUtoo-desktop> because I think you could do them separately
Nov 10 21:02:16 <waraqa> I think calls is more important
Nov 10 21:02:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 10 21:02:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> then do calls
Nov 10 21:02:32 <GNUtoo-desktop> it may be easier even
Nov 10 21:03:02 <waraqa> Ok
Nov 10 21:03:23 <GNUtoo-desktop> basically to do that:
Nov 10 21:03:32 <GNUtoo-desktop> 1) read the SHR manual in the openmoko wiki
Nov 10 21:03:41 <GNUtoo-desktop> and try to find if there is something for bluetooth calls
Nov 10 21:03:53 <GNUtoo-desktop> 2) make a call to you operator free number
Nov 10 21:04:05 <GNUtoo-desktop> 3)  use the qtmoko's gta02-gsm-bt-fix program to make it work 
Nov 10 21:04:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> try to make a call work manually
Nov 10 21:04:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> that way
Nov 10 21:04:24 <GNUtoo-desktop> and then try to integrate
Nov 10 21:04:53 <GNUtoo-desktop> if 1) fails just switch to gsmbluetooth trough mdbus2 on fsodeviced
Nov 10 21:06:57 <waraqa> Do I need first to learn how dbus work ?
Nov 10 21:07:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> learn how mdbus2 works then
Nov 10 21:07:18 <GNUtoo-desktop> it's easier and faster
Nov 10 21:07:29 <waraqa> heh
Nov 10 21:07:51 <waraqa> Ok
Nov 10 21:09:05 <waraqa> Does SHR use dbus and mdbus2 together ?
Nov 10 21:09:46 <GNUtoo-desktop> run mdbus -s
Nov 10 21:09:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> oops
Nov 10 21:09:50 <GNUtoo-desktop> run mdbus2 -s
Nov 10 21:10:04 <GNUtoo-desktop> it's a command line uttility to interact with dbus
Nov 10 21:10:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> -s is the system bus
Nov 10 21:10:14 <PaulFertser> waraqa: dbus is the IPC mechanism, faciliated by the dbus daemon. mdbus2 is a handy console tool to make IPC calls over dbus.
Nov 10 21:10:59 <waraqa> Good information
Nov 10 21:12:44 <waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: Thank your for your valuable information
Nov 10 21:13:00 <waraqa> I'll try to do as you told me
Nov 10 21:13:03 <GNUtoo-desktop> np, thanks you for wanting to contribute
Nov 10 21:13:41 <waraqa> I like to see SHR working perfectly
Nov 10 21:15:05 <waraqa> I will go now
Nov 10 21:15:24 <waraqa> goodbye
Nov 10 21:42:53 <PaulFertser> Looks like hw validation kernel will surely kill the battery fast, keeps it really warm even when doing nothing (cpu is idle)
Nov 10 22:25:25 <habstinat> It seems like opkg.org has been down for a while now; what is the alternative? Are all opkg.org packages hosted on another repository now?
Nov 11 00:56:39 <pabs3> habstinat: the alternative is just to get the packages into the SHR/etc feeds
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