**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 18 02:59:59 2012 Nov 18 07:27:55 jeepingben: i just use the evdev input driver, it works ok on gta04, calibrated with xinput_calibrator. Nov 18 07:28:28 tslib X.org input seems to be unmaintained and is currently broken on Debian. Nov 18 11:25:22 JaMa, ping Nov 18 12:03:35 linux-gta04 fetch still failing :( Nov 18 12:04:09 fatal: early EOF, index-pack failed Nov 18 12:17:02 Hi, Is this information about linphone still apply to current shr http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone#SHR-U ? Nov 18 12:21:37 Are there any voip software in SHR ? Nov 18 12:26:54 GNUtoo-desktop: Hi Nov 18 13:05:34 PaulFerster, the evdev driver is very twitchy on gta04. For me the keyboard is unusable in SHR with it. Nov 18 13:24:55 waraqa, hi, I don't know, which one would you want? Nov 18 13:25:20 jeepingben, are you aware that you can increase the keyboard size? Nov 18 13:25:45 waraqa, I'm not sure if we have linphone Nov 18 13:26:18 I can't increase the screen size. Most of the problem is that some tap events are interpreted as drag events and result in space, backspace, enter, or switch keyboard. Nov 18 13:26:31 ouch Nov 18 13:26:46 then we need your fix Nov 18 13:27:10 If you open a paint program or numpyphysics and draw small circles, you will see some odd shapes with long spikes when evdev driver gets it wrong Nov 18 13:27:14 jeepingben: GNUtoo-desktop: tslib also has problems with new Xorg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674821 Nov 18 13:29:54 jeepingben, did you calibrate with xinput_calibrator? Nov 18 13:30:11 (with xf86-input-evdev) Nov 18 13:31:54 it looks like it. I just ran it again and the output looks like what I have in my xorg.conf Nov 18 13:33:18 jeepingben, try removing the calibration and increasing the keyboard size for xf86-input-evdev Nov 18 13:33:31 but tslib should be better Nov 18 13:34:13 basically you seem to loose precision at each recalibration with xf86-input-evdev Nov 18 13:46:36 evdev isn't getting the location of clicks wrong. to see what is wrong, open Numpy physics and pretend to type. You would expect short dashes or dots, and that is what I get with tslib. Nov 18 13:46:52 Idon't think making the keyboard bigger would help Nov 18 16:06:23 * DocScrutinizer05 just wonders how, after 4 years or sth, touchscreen input still can be fubar, while it evidently worked in original OM distro Nov 18 16:20:33 DocScrutinizer05, because we're way less devs than before Nov 18 16:20:49 some stuff that used to work don't anymore: Nov 18 16:20:53 *AGPS Nov 18 16:20:59 GNUtoo-desktop: still doesn't explain why it's worse than initial Nov 18 16:21:06 *video decoding offload Nov 18 16:21:22 that's for gta02 Nov 18 16:21:32 touchscreen does work on gta02 and does work well Nov 18 16:21:41 the person was talking about gta04 Nov 18 16:21:52 ooh, I see. GTA04 has different ADC Nov 18 16:21:55 yes Nov 18 16:22:02 and some issues with debouncing Nov 18 16:22:06 so debouncing was disabled Nov 18 16:22:10 which causes that issue Nov 18 16:22:10 then please forgive my rant Nov 18 16:22:14 tslib can workarround Nov 18 16:22:33 np, but some stuff really are worse than initial Nov 18 16:22:41 like the absence of AGPS Nov 18 16:22:52 and the video decoding offload Nov 18 16:23:11 for AGPS here's the story Nov 18 16:23:14 we had GTA04 Nov 18 16:23:31 so I worked with JaMa and another person to add gpsd 3.x support Nov 18 16:23:37 we added it it worked fine etc... Nov 18 16:23:39 for GTA04 Nov 18 16:23:50 then GTA02 apps stopped working Nov 18 16:23:51 well, the general perception of stuff getting worse rather than more stable was primary cause I stopped caring too much about GTA* I guess Nov 18 16:24:19 but at that point gpsd 3.x was already in oe core Nov 18 16:24:27 or one of its layers Nov 18 16:24:35 so I switched gta02 to gpsd Nov 18 16:24:42 which lost ubx and AGPS Nov 18 16:24:46 DocScrutinizer05: is right Nov 18 16:24:49 to make it work again Nov 18 16:24:53 yes but I'm right too Nov 18 16:25:06 it's getting worse because of the lack of devs Nov 18 16:25:15 and devs go away because it's getting worse Nov 18 16:25:16 maybe, but GTA02 is regressing Nov 18 16:25:24 in what reguards Nov 18 16:25:31 I can fix the GPS Nov 18 16:25:39 but that will mean that I won't work on GTA04 Nov 18 16:25:49 GNUtoo-desktop: understand Nov 18 16:25:52 apart theses 2 points it's not regressing Nov 18 16:27:05 the lost of video decoding offload was in july 2010 according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player Nov 18 16:27:34 so GTA02/SHR should switch to GTA04 or another well maintained Linux (not Android) platform Nov 18 16:27:36 I still think that 0808GOLDEN been the best release ever shipped (well maybe release some 2 months later even), but it's really sad I wouldn't dare to use any recent release of SHR to use gta02 as my daily phone Nov 18 16:27:38 so what should you propose us to do? Nov 18 16:27:42 we can fix GPS Nov 18 16:28:01 but for the video acceleration, do you really want us not to use kms? Nov 18 16:28:10 DocScrutinizer05: 0808GOLDEN? Nov 18 16:28:35 GNUtoo-desktop: not you, but many people actually moved forward Nov 18 16:28:59 I mean you're ranting, but you do not propose a solution Nov 18 16:29:08 we are 2 people on fso for gta04 Nov 18 16:29:14 and 1 person for the build system Nov 18 16:29:20 that's what left Nov 18 16:29:34 now....what do you want us to do Nov 18 16:29:49 because people keep ranting and don't do a thing or even is not constructive Nov 18 16:29:55 GNUtoo-desktop: there is no solution, priority is clear, we don't have enough manpower to support both Nov 18 16:29:56 GTA02 is still working Nov 18 16:30:15 we have manpower to support GTA02+GTA04+crespo Nov 18 16:30:23 GNUtoo-desktop: GTA02 is working with SHR from 2012 :-) Nov 18 16:30:28 only that we cannot support everything Nov 18 16:30:29 and QT Moko Nov 18 16:30:43 GNUtoo-desktop: right Nov 18 16:30:54 note that SHR still has xv-like on gta02 Nov 18 16:31:11 Martix: maybe I'm wrong. maybe I meant this one: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/images/shr-unstable/090611/ Nov 18 16:31:14 I mean it's not that bad Nov 18 16:31:33 which probably was the next release after 080811 Nov 18 16:31:49 DocScrutinizer05: this worked fine Nov 18 16:32:25 I think you over-estimate the fact that it's worse Nov 18 16:32:42 and it's also more stable Nov 18 16:32:50 though I can't figure how I'd use a date like 090611 > 080811 Nov 18 16:32:54 we have a user testing process now Nov 18 16:33:15 we have 3 flavors: shr 2012, shr-core and shr-core-testing Nov 18 16:33:20 bluelightning: you can download tarball from SHR mirror Nov 18 16:33:27 users tests shr-core-testing Nov 18 16:33:40 and that get merged in shr-core *when it's better than before* Nov 18 16:33:45 GNUtoo-desktop: sending patches to EFL upstream is good, we're close to HEAD now in shr branches Nov 18 16:34:02 JaMa, efl is totally broken in my builds Nov 18 16:34:15 no titling-like anymore, windows have borders Nov 18 16:34:30 yup, sorry I noticed it too late, already reported upstream Nov 18 16:34:36 JaMa: hey! Long time no see :) Nov 18 16:34:37 ok nice Nov 18 16:34:47 JaMa: what are you busy with lately? Nov 18 16:34:54 JaMa, basically I need something that works in order to work with libphoneui-shr Nov 18 16:35:15 any ideas on how to achieve that? like I build xfce46 and install that? Nov 18 16:35:21 GNUtoo-desktop: then remove last EFL_SRCREV bump Nov 18 16:35:46 if I do that do I need to rebuild and rebump many things? Nov 18 16:35:58 PaulFertser: openwebos mostly :) Nov 18 16:36:15 GNUtoo-desktop: only shr-e-gadgets and shr-wizard Nov 18 16:36:18 GNUtoo-desktop: process is better, but harm is already done (regressions) Nov 18 16:36:51 JaMa: eh? the same thing morphis is busy with? What the hell is it? And, ahem, sorry, but, why?! Nov 18 16:37:04 hi PaulFertser Nov 18 16:37:09 hi JaMa Nov 18 16:37:11 DocScrutinizer05: hi Joerg! Nov 18 16:37:16 Martix, what regressions are you talking about? Nov 18 16:37:38 Martix, many people have many different needs..... Nov 18 16:37:48 DocScrutinizer05: how's it going? Nov 18 16:38:08 Martix, for instance we fixed some audio bug in 2.6.39 for instance Nov 18 16:38:14 tried to cure a flu for last 10 days (or a few weeks longer actually) Nov 18 16:38:24 DocScrutinizer05, ouch Nov 18 16:38:51 DocScrutinizer05: hi Nov 18 16:39:00 job is chaos due to office moving and fusion of company with some other company Nov 18 16:39:26 maemo shanghai'd me for council Nov 18 16:39:42 PaulFertser: yes the same, I was mostly expecting usable and stable UI sooner (when almost nobody works on SHR apps currently) Nov 18 16:40:05 GNUtoo-desktop: everytime I give a try to newest SHR-core, I fall back to SHR from 2010, because it works better Nov 18 16:40:14 JaMa, I work on libphone-ui currently Nov 18 16:40:23 Martix, define work better Nov 18 16:40:26 bug regarding lanchscreen was most enoying one Nov 18 16:40:31 what bug? Nov 18 16:40:34 is it reported? Nov 18 16:40:57 GNUtoo-desktop: no app launchers on launch screen Nov 18 16:41:00 GNUtoo-desktop: yes Nov 18 16:41:05 Martix, it's fixed now Nov 18 16:41:10 GNUtoo-desktop: great Nov 18 16:41:18 it's fixed in the old launcher Nov 18 16:41:23 and we even changed launcher Nov 18 16:41:30 now we use elfe Nov 18 16:41:57 I noticed same bug in Elfe when I was recommended to switch Nov 18 16:41:57 which is a workarround for another bug Nov 18 16:41:59 JaMa: eh, do you really mean openwebos might give something useable for us? Nov 18 16:42:10 yes but now that bug is gone Nov 18 16:42:12 DocScrutinizer05: maemo? Are they still afloat? Nov 18 16:42:23 PaulFertser, no they use non-free 3d Nov 18 16:42:38 PaulFertser: at least more devs to shared stuff (like kernel, bsp) Nov 18 16:42:51 PaulFertser: yep. We try to keep stuff alive in maemo-CSSU Nov 18 16:42:55 JaMa: what devices are targetted? Nov 18 16:43:02 PaulFertser: Galaxy Nexus Nov 18 16:43:06 PaulFertser, galaxy Nexus Nov 18 16:43:09 DocScrutinizer05: i've heard that's still 2.6.28... Nov 18 16:43:11 PaulFertser: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Nov 18 16:43:44 JaMa: so it's not FSO for telephony? Nov 18 16:43:49 DocScrutinizer05, how do you deal with blobs? Nov 18 16:43:56 PaulFertser: well, since there are some essential chunks still closed source, we can't upgrade to leete new kernels like 3.x Nov 18 16:43:58 DocScrutinizer05, what about kernel version? Nov 18 16:44:04 DocScrutinizer05, and toolchain requirements? Nov 18 16:44:17 ok Nov 18 16:44:21 PaulFertser: no :/ at least for now Nov 18 16:44:43 PaulFertser, tough one could port SHR on galaxy nexus easily Nov 18 16:44:52 because: Nov 18 16:44:52 DocScrutinizer05: n900 would be mad awesome device if core software didn't suck that much. Actually, the absence of a sane kernel was the only thing preventing me from trying to actually use FSO on it. Nov 18 16:45:02 recently freemangordon introduced a fix to kernel and gcc to allow thumb2 binaries Nov 18 16:45:02 -> there is support in libsamsung-ipc for galaxy nexus Nov 18 16:45:17 -> the interfaces apart GPS and camera are very standard Nov 18 16:45:17 GNUtoo-desktop: read about it, yes. Nov 18 16:45:54 PaulFertser: someone was using newer kernel on n900 with arch linux Nov 18 16:46:07 PaulFertser: I can find links in IRC log if you're interested Nov 18 16:46:10 PaulFertser, we have SHR images for n900 but they're unusable for telephony because we designed the modem forwarder too badly Nov 18 16:46:16 *audio forwarder Nov 18 16:46:17 JaMa: well, i'm still using Debian + FSO and i can't see what's not cool about it and why not to work on improving/stabilizing FSO tbh. Nov 18 16:46:21 *modem audio forwarder Nov 18 16:46:45 JaMa: i know newer kernel runs on it, the problem is that power management stuff is not working the way it should iirc. Nov 18 16:46:52 we also lack gps and bluetooth Nov 18 16:47:19 Also does the n900 new kernel have telephony including cmt_speech? Nov 18 16:47:21 GPS was almost working (sans agps part)... Nov 18 16:47:32 it was reversed Nov 18 16:47:37 but not implemented in fso Nov 18 16:47:39 nor in gpsd Nov 18 16:47:42 last time I looked Nov 18 16:47:57 iirc there wasn't much to reverse because it was mostly in some nokia headers. Nov 18 16:48:05 But alas Nov 18 16:48:28 ah ok Nov 18 16:48:59 is it implemented somewhere I don't know about? Nov 18 16:49:11 But really, i still like FSO, i do not see any alternative to it even. Nov 18 16:49:21 same for me Nov 18 16:49:29 I've 3 choices: Nov 18 16:49:38 -> GNU/Linux with fso + shr apps Nov 18 16:49:42 -> replicant Nov 18 16:50:04 -> c155 when layer 1,2,3 will be ported to nuttx + keypad would be done Nov 18 16:51:14 but what I like the best would be a working GNU/Linux Nov 18 16:51:22 So practically, there's only one choice. And that's FSO. Well probably ofono could be made to work with gta04's modem too but there're other important parts lacking that are already there in FSO. Nov 18 16:52:20 I'm not sure that ofono would work better Nov 18 16:52:38 (for GTA04) Nov 18 16:52:47 yeah, ofono has nothing Nov 18 16:52:56 Do they have any UI even? Nov 18 16:52:58 I mean only for GSM Nov 18 16:53:11 I guess fso has better support for GTA04 Nov 18 16:53:14 *fsogsmd Nov 18 16:53:30 Is it used anywhere? They talked a lot but does any real life smartphone run a stack with ofono? Nov 18 16:53:36 PaulFertser: aiui ofono never been meant to offer any gui Nov 18 16:53:59 it's an ATcmd middleware, miuch what it blamed FSO to be Nov 18 16:54:05 DocScrutinizer05: i meant it was supposed that UIs will appear like it was the case with FSO. But i've never heard about any working combination. Nov 18 16:54:33 aiui ofono is dead Nov 18 16:54:41 I mean the modem quirks handling for the GTA04 option modem is better in fso Nov 18 16:54:46 we have echo handling Nov 18 16:54:52 we have ring handling Nov 18 16:54:55 without polling Nov 18 16:54:57 and such stuff Nov 18 16:55:05 I'm not sure that ofono has all that Nov 18 16:55:13 ring handling without polling \o/ Nov 18 16:55:22 yes there was a bug Nov 18 16:55:24 Nov 18 16:55:32 I meant not ring but hangup Nov 18 16:55:34 sorry Nov 18 16:55:42 I talk too fast Nov 18 16:56:13 So, what webos is about, what can it offer at all? Nov 18 16:56:19 I just do not get it, sorry. Nov 18 16:56:51 PaulFertser, something like meego that would use non-free 3d and GNU/Linux but without Xorg tough Nov 18 16:57:27 GNUtoo-desktop: eh, that doesn't sound like anything useful, we already have Qtmoko? Nov 18 16:57:56 PaulFertser, qtmoko doesn't require non-free 3d Nov 18 16:58:01 android doesn't either Nov 18 16:58:13 but webos is ultra slow like less than 1fps without 3d Nov 18 16:58:33 GNUtoo-desktop: even via llvmpipe? ;) Nov 18 16:58:45 no idea Nov 18 16:58:50 that would be good to try Nov 18 16:59:37 I don't care about UI at all as i would like to use Emacs for that anyway. Nov 18 16:59:45 ok Nov 18 17:00:11 I do care about UI since it's with that that I interact, including good terminal emulator UI Nov 18 17:00:29 I don't care if it's shiny or not tough Nov 18 17:00:32 usable is ok for me Nov 18 17:01:16 I use Emacs everyday on gta02 :) Nov 18 17:01:34 DocScrutinizer05, here's the bug: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/670 Nov 18 17:01:40 and it's fixed Nov 18 17:02:17 GNUtoo-desktop: hm? Nov 18 17:02:23 sorry, you lost me Nov 18 17:02:55 DocScrutinizer05, I said something wrong before Nov 18 17:03:04 aaah Nov 18 17:03:07 DocScrutinizer05, the bug was CLCC polling not ring polling Nov 18 17:07:30 GNUtoo-desktop: btw, after you disconnect PDP on gta04, is hso0 brought down anyhow? Or is the route over it still there? To me it looks like there's a bug. I'm going to fix it today/tomorrow. Nov 18 17:08:47 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if he should send in his gta04 for warranty fix Nov 18 17:09:21 PaulFertser, I'll try as soon as I compile an image with old efl Nov 18 17:09:34 GNUtoo-desktop: there's no hurry :) Nov 18 17:09:52 GNUtoo-desktop: fwiw: I'm bisecting efl now to find which commit broke illume2 Nov 18 17:09:59 but then, already 10h per day missing, to deal with all the stuff I'd had to deal with right now Nov 18 17:10:17 JaMa, ok thanks a lot Nov 18 17:11:31 and since nikolaus rage-kicked mickey and me from gta04-ML, I'm even less temped to deal with a device DOA Nov 18 17:11:52 Rage-kicked? wtf? Nov 18 17:12:21 "you're not active enough - I'm going to remove you from ML if you don't mind" Nov 18 17:12:56 :-o sounds like something weird Nov 18 17:13:12 was it really him? Nov 18 17:13:24 because email can easily be abused Nov 18 17:13:45 but ML admin can't easily be abused Nov 18 17:13:53 ok Nov 18 17:14:14 unless you're the person in charge of the infrastructure Nov 18 17:14:22 like what happened to cyanogenmod Nov 18 17:15:13 maybe it was because you got devices Nov 18 17:15:20 hmm, maybe I'm wrong. I just stopped to watch that ML for new msgs since that mail. Seems I'm still receiving new mails Nov 18 17:15:20 and did nothing recently ? Nov 18 17:15:48 but then mrmoku should have received the same mail Nov 18 17:19:14 >>Hi jOERG, Mickey, nils, you're registered since long here. Alas your contributions lately converged against zero, despite you would have knowhow to contribute. Would you mind me removing you from ML? BR Nikolaus [translated by me]" Date 2012-07-29 Nov 18 17:19:36 last mail received: 2012-08-15 Nov 18 17:26:59 if the data/administration overhead when keeping us on the ML outweighs the benefit from us having an even occasional eye on what's going on. Well I'm the last person to yell "Noooo! don't do it!" Nov 18 17:29:15 after all I tried for really long time to get involved into hw development, and it never exceeded sharing of the publicly available schematics in the end. Nov 18 17:29:55 meh! Nov 18 17:30:27 * DocScrutinizer05 looks at his DOA GTA04 and thinks "fits the larger picture" Nov 18 19:06:06 JaMa, e-wm fails to install Nov 18 19:06:48 I'll cleansstate and retry Nov 18 19:07:08 what's the error? Nov 18 19:07:17 efm icon? Nov 18 19:07:22 I'll look Nov 18 19:07:41 it cannot stat an icon Nov 18 19:07:49 see e-wm commit Nov 18 19:08:26 r78960 should work fine Nov 18 19:08:33 install as well as theme Nov 18 19:08:50 78377 Nov 18 19:08:54 that was my rev Nov 18 19:09:36 that's too old Nov 18 19:09:49 ok Nov 18 19:09:58 why didn't you use r78871? just reverting c4c05c12d25757e35ea9f3834ea202ccd091ae0b in meta-smartphone? Nov 18 19:11:17 meta-smartphone? aren't the rev set in meta-efl? Nov 18 19:11:50 ah sorry, yes meta-efl Nov 18 19:11:57 ok Nov 18 19:12:09 it got broken somewhere between r78960 and r78980 Nov 18 19:12:44 ok Nov 18 19:49:22 GNUtoo-desktop: if you still have image with latest EFL you can fix it easily yourself by cp -ra /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/policies /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume2/ Nov 18 20:01:56 BTW, are you folks usually rebuilding the whole fsogsmd, not altering files incrementally and typing make? Nov 18 20:04:08 Also, does it build for you with configure started without --enable-libgsm0710mux ? Nov 18 20:20:17 I'm back Nov 18 20:21:25 I was asking about voip in SHR Nov 18 20:23:57 waraqa: and what did you learn? Nov 18 20:24:32 I didn't find anything Nov 18 20:25:04 waraqa: even linphone? Nov 18 20:26:00 linphone was in older shr-unstable, but nobody ported it to new layers Nov 18 20:26:18 :-O Nov 18 20:26:27 There should be some SIP in OE, right? What is it then? Nov 18 20:26:37 I only found the wiki page which is talking about building it Nov 18 20:26:59 PaulFertser: SIP is a C++/Python Wrapper Generator Nov 18 20:27:19 PaulFertser: that's what I added to meta-oe to build PyQt4 (because someone requested anki) Nov 18 20:28:23 JaMa: eh, i mean i'd expect some OE users to need a solution for SIP (session initiation protocol) for VoIP. Nov 18 20:30:22 And if some users need that, it'd be there in the repos as OE users are all developers :) Nov 18 20:30:42 I thought OE is still very actively developed. Nov 18 20:30:45 yes I would expect it too, that's why I didn't migrate it from oe-classic myself Nov 18 20:31:06 :) Nov 18 20:32:33 What can we do now ? Nov 18 20:33:07 Does it need anything special ? Nov 18 20:33:36 it needs to be migrated from oe-classic to meta-oe Nov 18 20:33:52 JaMa, ok thanks a lot Nov 18 20:34:04 GNUtoo-desktop: now it's also tested in meta-efl/shr Nov 18 20:34:11 s/tested/fixed Nov 18 20:34:23 ok Nov 18 20:35:20 I'll upgrade then Nov 18 20:35:33 PaulFertser: hello, SIP is what i use dayli with my N900 (maemo) so offer SIP for oe would be nice Nov 18 20:35:48 nschle85: hi :) Nov 18 20:35:57 what kind of SIP Nov 18 20:36:06 something like linphone Nov 18 20:36:10 or the qt stuff Nov 18 20:36:18 Probably there's some other sip client already included? Nov 18 20:36:25 a sip client , on N900 the SIP client is very well integrated Nov 18 20:36:38 try to port a sip client then Nov 18 20:36:41 like linphone Nov 18 20:36:52 from oe-classic to oe-core Nov 18 20:36:56 it's really simple to do Nov 18 20:37:05 add correct LICENSE Nov 18 20:37:12 add LIC_FILES_CHKSUM Nov 18 20:37:18 add checksums if they are not there Nov 18 20:37:22 and it should be ok Nov 18 20:37:39 and convert do_stage to do_install_append Nov 18 20:37:54 There's even some kind of linphone - Emacs integration so you can probably have it integrated with fso.el :) Nov 18 20:40:00 GNUtoo-desktop: Thanks Nov 18 20:40:44 but what about newer kernel for N900 ? as i remember GNUtoo-desktop: told me that some isi interface was changed in incompatible way in newer kernels Nov 18 20:42:34 that was what I was told Nov 18 20:42:40 I never really tested Nov 18 20:53:44 GNUtoo-desktop: when was the change done ? Nov 18 20:54:17 are the 3.xx kernels supported ? Nov 18 20:57:01 for the 3.x I don't know Nov 18 20:57:06 look at the status Nov 18 20:57:09 and test them Nov 18 21:02:02 PaulFertser: you have newer kernel for N900 with working gps ? Nov 18 21:02:55 nschle85: sure not, i'm not using n900 because i lost hope to ever see a sane kernel on it :( Nov 18 21:06:14 PaulFertser: the kernel is sane i think , but the user space stuff i not its cluttered in fso and ofono Nov 18 21:06:43 and it needs ported to newer version Nov 18 21:07:21 nschle85: i've heard the kernel still lacks proper power management. Nov 18 21:09:31 PaulFertser: i dont know... I also do not use N900 with SHR because development is very time consuming so i lost motivation Nov 18 21:10:38 nschle85: what are you doing instead then? Nov 18 21:11:12 I do not have much motivation either but well... Sometimes i can't resist from trying something. Nov 18 21:11:33 I've just sent two patches to smartphones-userland, now i can use PDP on gta04 just fine :) Nov 18 21:11:43 i am assembling vlc-record for panda board / ubuntu linaro / lirc Nov 18 21:13:10 PaulFertser: at the moment iam developing a licr compatible UI for vlc-record Nov 18 21:13:38 http://code.google.com/p/vlc-record/ Nov 18 21:13:39 nschle85: oh i see Nov 18 21:13:54 I haven't used lirc for ages even though i have a receiver. Nov 18 21:15:30 * JaMa too, got tired of replacing batteries in RC Nov 18 21:16:24 JaMa: ?? replacing batteries ...?? Nov 18 21:17:36 Cordless RCs need batteries you know :) Nov 18 21:17:59 PaulFertser: whats the alternative ? Nov 18 21:18:06 and RCs with cord are not very good 'R' :) Nov 18 21:18:40 I think there were old soviet TVsets with wired RCs, seem cool enough. Nov 18 21:19:09 JaMa: Women now dont accept things with wires :-) Nov 18 21:20:33 I've seen some vibrators with wired RCs on sale so it looks there's still market for those. I'd guess wireless are too expensive and more hassle in the end. :) Nov 18 21:22:55 PaulFertser: do you know that this channel is logged ? Nov 18 21:23:05 So? Nov 18 21:28:39 JaMa: how do you watch tv and change channels ? Nov 18 21:30:01 I don't watch tv Nov 18 21:30:41 well I don't have tv and my tv card in PCI is probably not tuned, watching tv is waste of time Nov 18 21:30:55 Yeah, same here Nov 18 21:31:05 My parents watch TV though Nov 18 21:31:43 JaMa: and how do you relax ? watching shr builds ? Nov 18 21:32:41 something like that Nov 18 21:32:57 ahhh control changed again Nov 18 21:33:12 same for me Nov 18 21:34:17 JaMa: if you really relax its ok :-) Nov 18 21:34:57 ah no strange Nov 18 21:35:04 if I activate the same control again Nov 18 21:36:01 PaulFertser: next reason why iam absent in shr is that developing shr apps was too complicated for me. using a toolkit like qt would be nice but its consuming a lot resources Nov 18 21:36:55 Night, folks, FSO rocks :) Nov 18 21:37:05 nite Paul Nov 18 21:37:12 night Nov 18 21:37:25 I think it's rather the kernel patch who broke gta04 A3 sound Nov 18 21:37:48 PaulFertser: spokonoy no4i Nov 18 21:39:50 JaMa: is there any possibility to change the shr ui toolkit to qt ? Nov 18 21:39:59 hi folks Nov 18 21:40:08 hi dos1 Nov 18 21:40:26 dos1: dobre dan Nov 18 21:40:59 nschle85: Qt on SHR on gta02 feels a bit bloated, or at least it felt that way about two years ago when I tried it ;) Nov 18 21:41:45 i know that this toolkit is c++ instead of c Nov 18 21:41:47 EFL was great choice when it comes to speed and memory usage, but it was awful for stability and maturing our apps Nov 18 21:42:28 JaMa: are we going to stick with E17 stable for a bit after it's released? Nov 18 21:42:34 dos1: and its not very well documented (as I think) Nov 18 21:44:59 btw, i'm using shr-core on gta02 as my primary and only phone for a while Nov 18 21:45:00 dos1: yes like with EFL libs Nov 18 21:45:39 it has problems, sometimes annoying, and i wouldn't recommend it to non-geek Nov 18 21:45:41 but for me it works Nov 18 21:45:58 nschle85: what would be the point in it? Nov 18 21:46:11 JaMa: great Nov 18 21:46:12 nschle85: qtmoko UI is in qt and it can work with fso too Nov 18 21:48:08 nschle85: btw. it should be possible to write Qt frontend for libphone-ui if you really, really wanted Nov 18 21:48:56 dos1: do you not have problems in regard to suspend with shr-core? Nov 18 21:49:40 JaMa: I would prefer to get shr apps to be ported to a more known ui framework to make it easier to develop for shr ui Nov 18 21:49:40 GNUtoo-desktop: btw do you know if slyon's gta04-hwrouting branch is still best version to test hwrouting? Nov 18 21:49:49 jake42: yup, sometimes i wake up in the morning and battery is drained Nov 18 21:50:12 jake42: that's one of those annoying problems :P Nov 18 21:50:18