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Nov 19 11:34:57 <PaulFertser> radekp: so you've beaten PA into shape and made changing scenarious always work?! Great work!
Nov 19 11:37:16 <PaulFertser> radekp: btw, it seems that _any_ modification of NAND with 3.x kernel should be highly discouraged. I learnt it the hard way after i ruined my jffs2 and then u-boot env...
Nov 19 12:22:18 <radekp> PaulFertser: hi, well pulseaudio seems to work quite out of the box :)
Nov 19 12:23:39 <radekp> PaulFertser: i wonder if alsa has similar api or if alsa could be extended to have something similar like pasuspender
Nov 19 12:30:06 <PaulFertser> radekp: i can't tell atm
Nov 19 17:49:19 <Waraqa-out-> dos1: Hi
Nov 19 17:52:04 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: Hi
Nov 19 17:54:35 <GNUtoo-desktop> hi
Nov 19 17:54:52 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: I want to contribute to something other than bluetooth
Nov 19 17:55:14 <GNUtoo-desktop> what was the issue with bluetooth?
Nov 19 17:56:13 <Waraqa> I didn't try bluetooth but you suggest me to begin with it if I want to help
Nov 19 17:56:21 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes
Nov 19 17:56:29 <GNUtoo-desktop> I tought you tried it and failed
Nov 19 17:56:39 <Waraqa> currently I don't have any bluetooth device
Nov 19 17:56:43 <Waraqa> no
Nov 19 17:56:45 <GNUtoo-desktop> ah ok
Nov 19 17:56:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> that was the problem then: lack of bluetooth devices
Nov 19 17:57:10 <Waraqa> I think we need to concentrate on basic phone functionality
Nov 19 17:57:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 19 17:57:24 <GNUtoo-desktop> basic phone functionality is already working
Nov 19 17:57:32 <GNUtoo-desktop> sometimes it breks
Nov 19 17:57:39 <Waraqa> yes
Nov 19 17:57:39 <GNUtoo-desktop> *breaks
Nov 19 17:57:43 <GNUtoo-desktop> and need to be repaired
Nov 19 17:58:04 <Waraqa> I was making a call and suddenly the dialer disappeared
Nov 19 17:58:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> that's an efl issue
Nov 19 17:58:20 <GNUtoo-desktop> bugreport the issue
Nov 19 17:58:27 <GNUtoo-desktop> and try to fix it
Nov 19 17:58:28 <Waraqa> later, I knew that the call was counting
Nov 19 17:58:43 <GNUtoo-desktop> we have that issue on all phones
Nov 19 17:58:45 <Waraqa> The problem it was an international call
Nov 19 17:58:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> ouch
Nov 19 17:59:02 <Waraqa> on all phone !!
Nov 19 17:59:09 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes
Nov 19 17:59:18 <dos1> Waraqa: hello
Nov 19 17:59:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> it's because we have some components that are not upstream in enlightenment
Nov 19 17:59:39 <GNUtoo-desktop> so if you want to upstream them it should avoid such stuff
Nov 19 17:59:46 <Waraqa> dos1: Are you the maintainer of shr-settings ?
Nov 19 18:00:01 <GNUtoo-desktop> Waraqa, shr-settings is written in python
Nov 19 18:00:14 <GNUtoo-desktop> if you want to fix stuff in it you're welcome too
Nov 19 18:00:18 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: good
Nov 19 18:00:51 <dos1> Waraqa: yup
Nov 19 18:00:53 <GNUtoo-desktop> note that shr-settings or upstreaming our efl stuff benefit all phones
Nov 19 18:00:54 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: What can we do to fix this (severe) bug ?
Nov 19 18:01:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> I think the easiest way is to try to upstream the efl parts we have:
Nov 19 18:01:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> talk to JaMa to see if the (toolchain?) bug that prevented booting is fixed
Nov 19 18:02:04 <Waraqa> dos1: earlier, It was possible to switch usb mode using shr-settings but now I couldn't find that option
Nov 19 18:02:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> if it's fixed, boot a really recent image
Nov 19 18:02:21 <GNUtoo-desktop> it will tell something 
Nov 19 18:02:24 <GNUtoo-desktop> like :
Nov 19 18:02:35 <dos1> Waraqa: it's in shr_usb.py module
Nov 19 18:02:47 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: OK
Nov 19 18:02:47 <dos1> Waraqa: it relies on UsbHost resource provided by fsodeviced
Nov 19 18:02:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> the following components are not upstream <list of components> [OK] [I Know]
Nov 19 18:03:00 <GNUtoo-desktop> I can get you that list if you want
Nov 19 18:03:29 <dos1> Waraqa: so if it's not provided by FSO, module won't be displayed
Nov 19 18:03:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> then you should try to update and upstream the components listed
Nov 19 18:04:04 <Waraqa> dos1: Ok
Nov 19 18:04:42 <dos1> Waraqa: i'm not really up-to-date at the moment with recent development of SHR and FSO, so probably something has changed in kernel->fsodeviced chain so UsbHost resource is not available
Nov 19 18:05:25 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: I'm still too novice to understand this procedure
Nov 19 18:05:30 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 19 18:05:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> the best way is to try the procedure on something easy
Nov 19 18:05:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> and then to move on with something harder
Nov 19 18:06:00 <GNUtoo-desktop> maybe fix usb host
Nov 19 18:06:07 <GNUtoo-desktop> it should be the easiest
Nov 19 18:06:40 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: Good idea, Where can I start ?
Nov 19 18:06:57 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: dos1 says the change is in fsodeviced 
Nov 19 18:07:52 <dos1> Waraqa: fsodeviced is written in vala
Nov 19 18:08:06 <GNUtoo-desktop> Waraqa, try mdbus2
Nov 19 18:08:11 <GNUtoo-desktop> or rather mdbus2 -s
Nov 19 18:08:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> and try to enable usb host from there
Nov 19 18:08:26 <dos1> GNUtoo-desktop: "fsoraw -l" ;)
Nov 19 18:08:31 <dos1> there is no UsbHost resource
Nov 19 18:08:38 <Waraqa> dos1: I'm currently trying to read a vala tutorial
Nov 19 18:08:58 <GNUtoo-desktop> dos1, what do you mean?
Nov 19 18:09:02 <dos1> i should be learning now
Nov 19 18:09:03 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: usb host is working using omhacks
Nov 19 18:09:09 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 19 18:09:11 <GNUtoo-desktop> good
Nov 19 18:09:13 <dos1> so i'll be happy to look at this usb issue :D
Nov 19 18:09:16 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: but not availble in gui
Nov 19 18:09:26 <GNUtoo-desktop> Waraqa, let me look too
Nov 19 18:09:43 <dos1> Waraqa: omhacks is talking directly to the kernel
Nov 19 18:09:56 <dos1> Waraqa: it's doing what fsodeviced used to do before
Nov 19 18:09:59 <Waraqa> aha
Nov 19 18:10:14 <GNUtoo-desktop> omhacks probably write to some sysfs
Nov 19 18:10:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> in shr-settings there is also to fix other stuff that are not working once usb host is done such as services handling
Nov 19 18:10:55 <GNUtoo-desktop> we now use systemd
Nov 19 18:11:15 <dos1> code for UsbHost is in openmoko_powercontrol module
Nov 19 18:11:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes but look at fsodeviced.conf first
Nov 19 18:11:37 <GNUtoo-desktop> it enables and disables some plugin
Nov 19 18:11:46 <GNUtoo-desktop> because there are some resource handled by 2 different plugins
Nov 19 18:11:49 <dos1> I guess it's not loaded anymore as wifi and bluetooth are handled by more generic modules
Nov 19 18:11:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> so it disables one of the plugins
Nov 19 18:12:00 <GNUtoo-desktop> it did for GPS
Nov 19 18:12:11 <GNUtoo-desktop> or some other resource
Nov 19 18:12:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> I don't remember
Nov 19 18:12:15 <GNUtoo-desktop> let me look
Nov 19 18:13:01 <GNUtoo-desktop> ignore_usbhost = false
Nov 19 18:13:15 <dos1> 2012-11-19T18:12:55.140285Z [INFO]  OpenmokoUsbHostModeControl <@ powernode /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-pm-usbhost.0/power_on>: created.
Nov 19 18:13:26 <dos1> but resource is not listed
Nov 19 18:13:28 <dos1> ouch
Nov 19 18:13:30 <dos1> I remember
Nov 19 18:13:36 <dos1> I was looking at it few months ago
Nov 19 18:13:42 <dos1> but i failed :x
Nov 19 18:14:22 <dos1> someone who understands cornucopia should look at it
Nov 19 18:14:33 <GNUtoo-desktop> JaMa, hi
Nov 19 18:14:41 <GNUtoo-desktop> what's the status of the GTA02 booting?
Nov 19 18:16:22 <Waraqa> Is there a page to understand the hireachy of daemons in shr ?
Nov 19 18:17:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes
Nov 19 18:17:53 <GNUtoo-desktop> freesmartphone.org
Nov 19 18:18:02 <Waraqa> aha
Nov 19 18:18:05 <GNUtoo-desktop> maybe in the wiki
Nov 19 18:18:06 <Waraqa> I will check it
Nov 19 18:18:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org'
Nov 19 18:18:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> oops
Nov 19 18:18:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org
Nov 19 18:20:31 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: I still suffer from bug #2050
Nov 19 18:20:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> fso bug?
Nov 19 18:20:45 <GNUtoo-desktop> or shr bug?
Nov 19 18:20:50 <Waraqa> shr
Nov 19 18:21:32 <Waraqa> I have to take sim card to a different phone now to delete all sms in sim
Nov 19 18:21:45 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 19 18:22:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> comment that you had the bug in the bug
Nov 19 18:22:29 <Waraqa> I'm the one who created the ticket
Nov 19 18:22:35 <GNUtoo-desktop> ah ok
Nov 19 18:22:40 <GNUtoo-desktop> sorry I didn't remember
Nov 19 18:23:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> and I didn't look at the names in the bug either
Nov 19 18:23:15 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: And you helped me to detect the cause of it and report it
Nov 19 18:23:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> I looked at title and resolution
Nov 19 18:23:43 <GNUtoo-desktop> let's solve usb host first
Nov 19 18:23:47 <GNUtoo-desktop> because we already started
Nov 19 18:23:48 <Waraqa> Ok
Nov 19 18:23:50 <GNUtoo-desktop> and it seem easy
Nov 19 18:24:54 <Waraqa> I will start by reading shr-settings since it is in python
Nov 19 18:25:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> I don't think the problem is in shr-settings tough
Nov 19 18:26:11 <Waraqa> What do you suggest me to do ?
Nov 19 18:26:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> are you able to reinstall?
Nov 19 18:27:15 <Waraqa> reinstall what ?
Nov 19 18:27:33 <GNUtoo-desktop> an older SHR
Nov 19 18:27:41 <GNUtoo-desktop> to see how it behave when it works
Nov 19 18:27:46 <GNUtoo-desktop> because:
Nov 19 18:27:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> 1) report the bug
Nov 19 18:27:59 <GNUtoo-desktop> 2) try to find an shr-core of when it works
Nov 19 18:28:05 <GNUtoo-desktop> 3) run that command:
Nov 19 18:28:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
Nov 19 18:28:45 <GNUtoo-desktop> if it contains something like usb or something like that it should work
Nov 19 18:28:50 <GNUtoo-desktop> then we start investigating
Nov 19 18:29:11 <GNUtoo-desktop> I'll try to find an usb key
Nov 19 18:29:52 <Waraqa> Will I issue that command in the old release ?
Nov 19 18:30:36 <Waraqa> on in the current release ?
Nov 19 18:30:52 <GNUtoo-desktop> on both until you find one working one
Nov 19 18:31:06 <GNUtoo-desktop> I'll try to help you
Nov 19 18:31:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> dos1, what did you already try?
Nov 19 18:31:42 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: Thanks for your generosity
Nov 19 18:32:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> np
Nov 19 18:33:11 <Waraqa> I have 2 uSD cards, I will install an old release in one of them
Nov 19 18:33:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok good
Nov 19 18:34:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> according to source code the resource should be named "UsbHost"
Nov 19 18:34:36 <GNUtoo-desktop> but there is an if before
Nov 19 18:35:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/683acee7/
Nov 19 18:35:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> that is the code that creates the usb host resource
Nov 19 18:35:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> it's in cornucopia
Nov 19 18:35:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> which is in freesmartphone git
Nov 19 18:36:45 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=blob;f=fsodeviced/src/plugins/openmoko_powercontrol/plugin.vala;h=54c97de22e2fd24ea20e26a6f369e5d217d9f71f;hb=HEAD
Nov 19 18:39:16 <Waraqa> I will download the latest shr-unstable
Nov 19 18:39:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> Waraqa, what last message from me did you see?
Nov 19 18:40:02 <Waraqa> "ok good"
Nov 19 18:40:14 <GNUtoo-desktop> I'll pastebin the better news
Nov 19 18:40:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=blob;f=fsodeviced/src/plugins/openmoko_powercontrol/plugin.vala;h=54c97de22e2fd24ea20e26a6f369e5d217d9f71f;hb=HEAD
Nov 19 18:40:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/683acee7/
Nov 19 18:40:27 <GNUtoo-desktop> '<GNUtoo-desktop> that is the code that creates the usb host resource
Nov 19 18:42:41 <GNUtoo-desktop> WANT_FSO_RESOURCE  is 0
Nov 19 18:43:32 <GNUtoo-desktop> because of that:
Nov 19 18:43:32 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: You mean someone disabled it in the code ?
Nov 19 18:43:33 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2f7dbc05/
Nov 19 18:43:41 <GNUtoo-desktop> I don't know
Nov 19 18:44:04 <GNUtoo-desktop> but look at this unreadable generated C code ^^^ (not all C code look like that)
Nov 19 18:44:19 <GNUtoo-desktop>                         instances = g_list_append (instances, _tmp35_);
Nov 19 18:44:19 <GNUtoo-desktop>                         _g_object_unref0 (o);
Nov 19 18:44:21 <GNUtoo-desktop> it does that
Nov 19 18:44:30 <GNUtoo-desktop> which measn that it doesn't do that:
Nov 19 18:44:37 <GNUtoo-desktop> resources.append( new FsoDevice.BasePowerControlResource( o, "UsbHost", subsystem ) );
Nov 19 18:44:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> do you want to find why WANT_FSO_RESOURCE is 0?
Nov 19 18:44:59 <GNUtoo-desktop> or do you want me to do it?
Nov 19 18:47:01 <Waraqa> I don't want you to do everything. I think you give me enough info to begin
Nov 19 18:47:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 19 18:47:35 <GNUtoo-desktop> Waraqa, first thing, try to build SHR
Nov 19 18:47:39 <Waraqa> let me complete the tutorial of vala and I will come back to read this code
Nov 19 18:47:47 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 19 18:48:10 <Waraqa> Does building shr need vala knowledge ?
Nov 19 18:48:24 <GNUtoo-desktop> no
Nov 19 18:52:06 <Waraqa> Is this the simplest place to learn to how to build SHR http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR ?
Nov 19 18:53:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes I guess so
Nov 19 18:53:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> note that chroot is *not* mandatory
Nov 19 18:56:09 <Waraqa> Can I download the SHR without using git ?
Nov 19 18:56:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> what do you mean?
Nov 19 18:57:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> you mean the Makefile?
Nov 19 18:57:35 <Waraqa> no, I mean downloading the source files
Nov 19 18:58:08 <jake42> why not use git?
Nov 19 18:58:14 <GNUtoo-desktop> I'm not sure
Nov 19 18:58:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> but you need some git anyway
Nov 19 18:58:38 <GNUtoo-desktop> I think the Makefile requires git
Nov 19 18:58:51 <Waraqa> jake42: git port is blocked in my network
Nov 19 18:58:56 <GNUtoo-desktop> I said I'm not sure because in openembedded there is git-native
Nov 19 18:59:01 <GNUtoo-desktop> ah ouch
Nov 19 18:59:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> Waraqa, try to ask JaMa what to do then
Nov 19 18:59:13 <jake42> that's bad
Nov 19 18:59:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> there are workarrounds for that
Nov 19 19:02:54 <Waraqa> GNUtoo-desktop: Ok
Nov 19 19:33:48 <JaMa> Waraqa: OE should download tarballs from our mirror when git:// is not accessible
Nov 19 19:33:55 <JaMa> GNUtoo-desktop: booting is not fixed yet
Nov 19 19:35:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 19 19:35:46 <GNUtoo-desktop> Waraqa, want to help us with GTA02, for instance he wants to fix usb host
Nov 19 19:39:05 <GNUtoo-desktop> JaMa, do you know what's needed on gta02 beside that list: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/OM-GTA02 and common stuff?
Nov 19 19:39:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> he's looking for easy tasks to start with
Nov 19 19:41:53 <JaMa> this list looks good
Nov 19 19:44:27 <GNUtoo-desktop> JaMa, if you have ideas on general easy things it would also be good
Nov 19 19:46:03 <JaMa> confirming to get it to build without git:// access is good start
Nov 19 19:47:07 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
Nov 19 20:09:55 <Waraqa> What is the url SHR tarballs ?
Nov 19 20:10:29 <JaMa> http://build.shr-project.org/sources/
Nov 19 20:15:32 <Waraqa> I think I will use tor to access git
Nov 19 20:16:12 <Waraqa> http access seems complicated
Nov 19 20:17:31 <Waraqa> opening the index of http://build.shr-project.org/sources/ is very slow on my old pc
Nov 19 20:17:54 <JaMa> because there is a lot of files, but you don't need to open it
Nov 19 20:19:55 <Waraqa> JaMa: Can you help me ? for example What is the location of openembedded-core
Nov 19 20:20:49 <JaMa> just download SHR-Makefile and change git:// to http:// in layers.conf
Nov 19 20:21:17 <JaMa> and all layers are at https://github.com/shr-distribution
Nov 19 20:21:31 <JaMa> but you need also correct branches -> using our layers.conf is better
Nov 19 20:22:18 <Waraqa> So I don't have to follow the steps of (Building SHR manually from scratch)
Nov 19 20:51:54 <GNUtoo-desktop> JaMa, for gta02 I've pushed the new kernel patch comming from the bugreport (with signed off by this time)
Nov 19 20:52:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> JaMa, can you upload the shr.patch?
Nov 19 20:52:30 <GNUtoo-desktop> because I'm building for another machine right now
Nov 19 20:56:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> JaMa, else can I push in a branch, you pick the commit and test it?
Nov 19 20:57:00 <GNUtoo-desktop> and you push it?
Nov 19 20:58:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> PaulFertser, do you want me to merge your last patches? are they ready?
Nov 19 21:11:01 <JaMa> GNUtoo-desktop: which commit? yes I can refresh shr.patch
Nov 19 21:13:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> since I've updated the script for generating the patch just checkout om-gta02/2.6.39/master and run the script
Nov 19 21:14:01 <GNUtoo-desktop> the remote has to be named shr
Nov 19 21:15:23 <JaMa> sorry I don't follow you, what's problem?
Nov 19 21:32:40 <GNUtoo-desktop> that I'm building for another machine and can't test
Nov 19 21:33:04 <GNUtoo-desktop> because I could really easily import that patch and push
Nov 19 21:33:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> but I cannot test
Nov 19 21:33:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> so it might break compilation
Nov 19 21:33:15 <GNUtoo-desktop> for gta02
Nov 20 01:52:30 <jeepingben> sent my xorg.conf as a git patch to shr-devel.  The other change that would be needed is to include xf86-input-tslib by default.
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