**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 28 02:59:58 2012 Dec 28 11:20:18 hello...i have a shr question. why are some libraries which are parft of bitbake not part of shr? Dec 28 11:20:23 *part Dec 28 11:22:33 same goes of course for older om releases. Dec 28 11:25:33 ie ? Dec 28 11:25:57 libxml-parser-perl Dec 28 11:26:05 needed to compile pidgin for example Dec 28 11:26:23 (and pidgin-otr which i'm attempting) Dec 28 11:26:43 all other dev packages are part of shr for pidgin (make, pkgconfig etc) Dec 28 11:27:54 also libotr (ok that isn't part of bitbake but every distro has it...) Dec 28 11:28:38 at least libotr can be easily comnpiled Dec 28 11:28:44 *compiled Dec 28 11:28:48 even on freerunner Dec 28 11:30:58 also, having trouble running pidgin-otr getting "illegal command"...would it be best to just upgrade pidgin? Dec 28 12:41:39 one thing about Cyanogenmod, does it contains libcamera? if so, why my mobile camera which supports 3d camera can only work in 2d mode. Which part cause this problem/ Dec 28 12:41:49 s/\/?/ Dec 28 12:41:57 s/\//?/ Dec 28 12:43:10 no idea Dec 28 12:43:22 your libcamera is non-free so I don't know Dec 28 13:00:28 hello GNUtoo Dec 28 13:00:48 hi Dec 28 13:01:36 having trouble compiling on shr :( Dec 28 13:02:02 libxml-parser-perl was missing so bitbaked it Dec 28 13:02:11 but pidgin-otr still doesn;t work ??? Dec 28 13:02:16 *doesn't Dec 28 13:02:29 it will probably be faster to just use some debian distro. i Dec 28 13:02:38 *is deforaos worth trying? Dec 28 13:03:43 no idea Dec 28 13:03:47 it will probably be best to just try debian again Dec 28 13:03:49 lindi-, uses plain debian Dec 28 13:03:53 There is free libcamera? Dec 28 13:06:06 does debian have a working phone system? zhone was pretty bad last I checked (no ringing or vibration etc) Dec 28 13:07:06 ayaka, maybe you could implement one, there was some initial research done by replicant Dec 28 13:07:15 for msm_camera Dec 28 13:07:28 but it was abandoned because work shifted on non-msm phones Dec 28 13:07:36 but in the other platform, is there free libcamera? Dec 28 13:07:41 yes Dec 28 13:07:57 we have free libcamera on galaxy S, Nexus S at least on replicant Dec 28 13:27:28 aloniv: the SHR phoneui stuff is in Debian: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=-shr Dec 28 13:28:44 nice Dec 28 13:31:18 I see, thank you GNUtoo-x60 Dec 28 13:39:53 pabs3: thanks. is paroli there too? Dec 28 13:40:42 is it good idea to enable testing? Dec 28 13:40:45 aloniv: no, it didn't reach Debian before it died. the upstream website doesn't even exist Dec 28 13:41:34 wheezy doesn't have security support yet, so unless you are tracking that stuff yourself, probably not Dec 28 13:41:41 so shr works fine in debian? what else is needed for shr (illume? e17?) Dec 28 13:42:04 what else provides phone functionality? only zhone? Dec 28 13:43:05 can qtmoko be installed as an app within debian? Dec 28 13:44:33 no idea, haven't used that recently myself. e17==illume. zhone is broken (needs an update). qtmoko is basically Debian with a deb for qtmoko. but qtmoko doesn't work in X11 Dec 28 13:45:11 actually zhone got removed due to the brokenness Dec 28 13:47:00 zhone was pretty bad when i tried it almost two years ago Dec 28 13:47:23 what do you use for phone functionality? Dec 28 13:48:13 I decided that having a tracking device that can also make phone calls is a bad idea, so I use a landline Dec 28 13:48:53 does the modem still work though? Dec 28 13:49:12 or did you turn if off via at commands? Dec 28 13:49:33 last I tried it (with qtmoko), it worked Dec 28 13:49:59 i meant is the modem switched off when you use debian Dec 28 13:50:12 or do you need to manually turn it off Dec 28 13:50:45 in qtmoko it is turned on, not sure about plain Debian Dec 28 13:51:20 so did you just skip installing phone software using script or remove it therafter? Dec 28 13:52:13 i just want pidgin-otr working and xournal so i guess debian is best Dec 28 13:52:27 phone functionality is secondary Dec 28 13:52:31 for me Dec 28 13:53:05 you could use qtmoko, install pidgin/otr from Debian and run pidgin via the qtmoko x11 app Dec 28 13:54:50 yeah i ran regular pidgin that way but it didn't cover the entire screen Dec 28 13:55:06 maybe hackable1 could work also Dec 28 13:55:25 didn't fit the screen that is Dec 28 13:55:49 i prefer to run software natively if possible Dec 28 13:58:32 i also prefer a distro where i can compile on the phone and not mess around with different toolchains Dec 28 13:58:48 so i'm guessing that leaves me with debian based systems Dec 28 14:00:09 aloniv, I have set up SHR for native compilation before. It was a pain to get everything though I think that was because I didn't notice a metapackage that would get all the peices i needed. Dec 28 14:01:14 Jeepingben: i installed some make and pkgconfig and other packages. sadly, libxml-python-perl or similar packages isn;t in the repos so pidgin cannot be built Dec 28 14:01:27 i needed to bitbake it Dec 28 14:01:44 and pidgin-otr still doesn;t work giving an "illegal command" error Dec 28 14:02:04 cross-compiling is probably less painful. unfortunately Debian doesn't quite yet have a cross-compilation setup working, coming soon though: http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchCrossToolchains Dec 28 14:02:34 actually it is more as packages compiled this way don't always work sadly Dec 28 14:02:43 it takes less time but it is less reliable Dec 28 14:03:24 i remember compiling mediainfo on qtmoko - took 4 hours but worked great :) Dec 28 14:03:38 even got a .deb in the end via checkinstall Dec 28 14:04:00 (admittedly it's pretty useless on a phone...) Dec 28 14:05:46 when I was playing with native compilation, someone on IRC told me I should be using qemu instead. It should be much faster than native, but less painful than toolchains Dec 28 14:07:14 theres also qemu's Linux syscall emulation, which is faster than qemu whole-system emulation and lets you have arm chroots **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 29 02:59:58 2012