**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 25 02:59:59 2013 Jan 25 06:51:09 Regarding usb-extenders: the sucky cable at work works fine via a super-sucky 2m long usb extender (that was broken right from the beginning and i repaired it by cutting and resoldering) but barely works when connected to another usb port directly on the motherboard. Jan 25 06:52:22 Also, i do not see any difference between connecting, say, a usb portable media player that has a micro-B receptable with a cable and connecting a similar media player that has an A jack via an extender. Jan 25 06:52:41 So usb extenders might be formally outlawed but it doesn't mean they are mostly evil. Jan 25 09:12:37 morphis: hi! Thanks for committing the patch. I should have probably noted that it's untested because my gta02 is non-functional since i tried testing it on tuesday (something was broken and fsogsmd no longer registered dbus objects, so i decided to fully upgrade to the current git HEAD, i seem to be almost ready though). Jan 25 09:13:05 PaulFertser: it was slyon who pushed the patch not me :) Jan 25 09:13:15 morphis: thank you anyway :) Jan 25 09:13:23 no problem Jan 25 09:13:27 will push it to 0.12 too Jan 25 09:14:12 morphis: still untested but it seems trivial... Jan 25 09:14:23 ok Jan 25 09:15:28 morphis: i'm always running with AT-level debug anyway... btw, what was the decision about fsodeviced trying to initiate a suspend during gsm initialisation? Jan 25 09:15:42 And in general, what is the proposed way to fully boot an FSO system? Jan 25 09:16:08 PaulFertser: it should not be able to suspend while GSM resource is active Jan 25 09:16:51 morphis: yes, but what if gsm resource is requested by an application "a bit too late"? Jan 25 09:16:58 hm Jan 25 09:18:05 when suspend is already called and it's ongoing it should maybe interrupted when a new resource is requested within Jan 25 09:19:02 And if an application is really late then the phone will just suspend on boot without gsm active (and probably even earlier than X.org is started)... Jan 25 09:23:09 morphis: btw, http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/461 is there for 3 years, without any feedback. I'm always using lsfsor and it seems useful... Jan 25 09:23:14 Probably it doesn't matter anyway. Jan 25 09:23:31 It looks like there're very few little real FSO users left. Jan 25 09:26:11 yeah there are not that much left Jan 25 09:32:13 * jake42_ is left.. Jan 25 09:33:01 jake42_: what version are you using and how? Jan 25 09:36:17 PaulFertser: I'm using some old shr-core-staging image with fso 0.10.0 and 2.6.34 kernel Jan 25 09:36:22 as every day phone Jan 25 09:37:43 but there are some annoying bugs but its alright.. Jan 25 09:37:46 jake42: heh Jan 25 09:38:34 like it still vibrating after taking a call Jan 25 09:39:03 which is rather iritating for the caller :D Jan 25 09:39:04 morphis: it just suspended for me even though i had CPU requested (after oeventsd went to "locked" state). Jan 25 09:39:31 PaulFertser: when CPU is requested it should never suspend Jan 25 09:41:06 morphis: i know and yet it did Jan 25 09:41:32 morphis: i resumed by pressing the button and now it doesn't go to suspend. Jan 25 09:42:02 hm Jan 25 10:24:57 I get "RouterLibAlsa <>: No control with index 93 available" but "amixer -a none controls | grep 93" produces an expected result Jan 25 10:59:45 Damn, that's my own patch and it seems to uncover some additional issue :/ Jan 25 11:04:48 But it was certainly needed on gta04 Jan 25 12:32:34 With the patch reverted it crashes just like on the gta04. Jan 25 13:17:23 heh, right, it was using alsa-default and not alsa-2.6.39 as it doesn't care about the currently running kernel. My patch was fine :) Jan 25 14:09:37 Heh, it's exactly the case for me: the device suspended during boot. Jan 25 14:55:25 GNUtoo-x60, have done that tested? I will have to leave, but if you can leave a link for me, I can get it, thank you Jan 25 14:57:40 I have mail the usb mail list, but I didn't got any info about ch341, is there another way to get some info Jan 25 14:59:11 no I didn't Jan 25 14:59:20 I finished to compile my sysvinit image tough Jan 25 14:59:25 mjpeg did work tough Jan 25 14:59:34 like trough that command: Jan 25 15:00:04 gst-launch v4l2src device=$(bug2v4l2 -p) ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=192.168.1.178 port=5000 Jan 25 15:00:08 gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc port=5000 ! jpegdec ! autovideosink Jan 25 15:00:15 bug2v4l2 -p gives the device path Jan 25 15:00:21 it's media controller stuff Jan 25 15:00:30 the first command is run on the embedded device Jan 25 15:00:34 the second on my computer Jan 25 16:30:48 morphis: sending POFF to a calypso, waiting 3 seconds and only then trying to deactivate a PDP context and to close all channels makes no sense :(( Jan 25 16:33:55 And it hurts me for a year :/ Jan 25 18:40:34 Installed the latest e17 from Debian. Meh, it's fancier and is absolutely buggy and unusable :( Jan 25 18:40:59 Well, it's probably not that buggy but unusable as it somehow fails to actually manage the windows properly. Jan 25 18:41:13 TAsn: do you probably have an idea about it? Jan 25 19:30:32 It looks like now i just need to stop trying fancy things and just write a suitable XMonad config or something like that. Or i can simply refrain from using GSM telephony for a while. Jan 25 19:31:26 If none of my devices can do GSM telephony sanely, then it might mean that the technology itself sucks. And that probably means i just do not need it. Jan 25 19:37:47 PaulFertser, version? (about menu) Jan 25 19:37:51 (or debian version) Jan 25 19:38:02 if it doesn't say 0.17.0 Jan 25 19:38:06 it's not the right version. Jan 25 19:39:14 TAsn: 0.16.999.70492-2 Jan 25 19:39:29 I'm not going to self-compile e17 :E Jan 25 19:40:21 I've used it for so long and it's still all about "nasty nasty nasty go fix your code", "everything's smart and fancy and modular" and several bugs in core functionality not going away... Jan 25 19:44:45 Illume with no easy option to show digital clock, with no easy option to disable useless bar on top of the keyboard in terminal mode (and even several hours of hacking EDC didn't let me do it) etc etc Jan 25 19:48:11 PaulFertser, old Jan 25 19:48:32 PaulFertser, actually theres' finally a digital clock. Jan 25 19:48:35 but I can feel your pain. Jan 25 19:49:26 TAsn: where e17 is used btw? Jan 25 19:50:54 TAsn: do you mean with 0.17.0 it does work as advertised, without producing any serious warnings and properly managing windows, not wasting screen real estate (usable on 640x480) etc etc? Jan 25 19:51:09 PaulFertser, I hope. Jan 25 19:51:18 otherwise we'll get sued for false-advertising. :) Jan 25 19:51:23 though seriously, I use the released version Jan 25 19:51:28 and it works just fine here. Jan 25 19:51:33 TAsn: with illume? Jan 25 19:51:43 TAsn: are you monitoring its stderr? Jan 25 19:52:25 PaulFertser: you can try with lastest SHR (I would say it's the same) Jan 25 19:52:34 I'm not monitoring it's stderr, so I don't know, but I think others do. Jan 25 19:52:40 not with illume Jan 25 19:52:41 no Jan 25 19:52:54 JaMa: the same what? Jan 25 19:53:07 TAsn: but without illume it's not useful on gta02. Jan 25 19:53:11 Or am i wrong? Jan 25 19:53:31 PaulFertser: useless bar and lot of messages on stderr Jan 25 19:53:39 :( Jan 25 19:53:40 TAsn: ^^ see? Jan 25 19:53:44 :( Jan 25 19:53:47 JaMa, saw my mail? :( Jan 25 19:54:45 yes but don't understand it, it should work fine when same protocol is used for both Jan 25 19:56:41 TAsn: i'm not trying to downplay your or anyone else's work but you know it feels wrong, so many people (including you back when you were active in SHR) learning elementary, edc, edje, bugreporting etc Jan 25 19:57:48 JaMa, I know. Jan 25 19:57:49 But the e17 project concentrated on other things. Jan 25 19:57:55 but I'm too tired to battle ith recaptcha. Jan 25 19:58:14 PaulFertser, I'm with you. Jan 25 19:58:19 PaulFertser, I complain as much as the next guy. Jan 25 19:58:23 I'm also very frustrated Jan 25 19:58:34 :( Jan 25 19:58:42 I believe I'll have to go to anger management soon because of it. :) Jan 25 19:58:53 Too bad, i hoped at least some people here are happy about their software or devices Jan 25 19:58:56 :) Jan 25 19:59:18 I'm not entirely annoyed with my galaxy nexus Jan 25 19:59:26 and I'm fine with my samsung series 9 Jan 25 19:59:28 but other than that Jan 25 19:59:33 I'm annoyed. Jan 25 19:59:55 In fact i'm almost happy about my toshiba ac100 netbook (apart from that i can't play video on it because it lacks an accelerated driver). Jan 25 20:00:27 It does just what it should, has a keyboard i can use, easily accessible UART... Jan 25 20:00:32 same here +emails +workstations +internet all this crapy HW and SW :) Jan 25 20:01:43 :( Jan 25 20:01:44 I'm not annoyed with Debian and Gentoo, i like my bicycles. I sort-of like Emacs (though it's annoying too). Jan 25 20:01:56 I was talking aout tech hw Jan 25 20:02:02 well Jan 25 20:02:04 hw+sw Jan 25 20:02:06 the combinations Jan 25 20:02:10 tech products Jan 25 20:02:20 Debian on ac100 :) Jan 25 20:02:52 TAsn: are you an android user now? :-O Jan 25 20:03:16 (just realised what galaxy nexus implies) Jan 25 20:04:05 PaulFertser, no need to remind me that. ;( Jan 25 20:04:08 yes, I am. ;( Jan 25 20:04:13 a sad one Jan 25 20:04:51 Damn, should have went to sleep instead of highlighting you, sorry TAsn Jan 25 20:05:07 It's not my intention to make other people feel annoyed too. Jan 25 20:05:09 PaulFertser, it's alright, I'm used to being reminded about it. :( Jan 25 20:05:37 and as for being annoyed Jan 25 20:05:43 I was annoyed before you came Jan 25 20:05:43 * JaMa opens beer to get better mood Jan 25 20:05:48 thanks ta JaMa's issue. :) Jan 25 20:05:57 I wonder if i should just hire someone to write me an XMonad config that'd be useful on gta02. How much can that cost? Jan 25 20:06:08 TAsn: not mine :) Jan 25 20:06:30 yeah. Jan 25 20:06:39 dunno. Jan 25 20:09:40 BTW, after reading one famous blog post i decided that i won't use myself and won't recommend anyone anything php based. Jan 25 20:10:12 y'all are crazy Jan 25 20:10:13 :P Jan 25 20:10:17 lol.. Jan 25 20:10:20 PaulFertser, which one Jan 25 20:10:21 ? Jan 25 20:10:24 what did I miss? Jan 25 20:11:07 TAsn: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ Jan 25 20:11:53 Sicelo: i bet you're too, or else you wouldn't be here ;) Jan 25 20:11:55 I know this one. Jan 25 20:12:41 It looked justified enough for me to be absolutely convinced. Jan 25 20:13:24 If i wanted an interpreted language with established "web" facilities, i'd just go python. Jan 25 20:13:57 yes Jan 25 20:14:02 I go python when I go web Jan 25 20:14:10 and my web friends usually do the same Jan 25 20:14:14 but I never do any web Jan 25 20:14:15 :) Jan 25 20:14:21 * Sicelo sends that link to a PHP-freak friend, lol Jan 25 20:15:01 Good night, all. Tomorrow's another day :) Jan 25 20:15:13 nite PaulFertser Jan 25 20:15:27 night Jan 25 20:15:30 I'm mostly off too Jan 25 20:15:33 I'm starving. Jan 25 20:16:25 I think i won't be caring any cellphone with me if i won't be able to make use of my gta02 or gta04 or n900 the way i'd like it. Jan 25 20:16:39 Should be easy enough. Just say no Jan 25 20:16:40 :) Jan 25 20:16:45 your N900 still works ok? Jan 25 20:17:23 Sicelo: i can't use it as there's no decent free software to support the nice hardware. Jan 25 20:17:42 Sicelo: my friend's n900 (who's stuck with maemo but he doesn't mind) is ok and he's a rather active user. Jan 25 20:17:46 Why wouldn't it work? Jan 25 20:18:37 just asking, heh. it appears that a number of old N900 have lost phone abilities. i've had mine for 1.5 years now. still good :) Jan 25 20:19:26 tried E17 on it a while ago, Matchbox-wm, xfce, etc.. running debian Jan 25 20:19:36 Some fancy "easy" web-code in Haskell http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2012/04/yesod-js-todo for comparison Jan 25 20:20:13 Sicelo: mine is working too... i tried to add gps functionality for shr but learning vala, bitbake and lacking time did not finish it Jan 25 20:20:21 Sicelo: with shit for telephony? Jan 25 20:20:40 nschle85: you saw Luke-jr's gps stuff? Jan 25 20:20:57 Sicelo: do you have a link ? Jan 25 20:21:08 PaulFertser: it doesn't work at all. but modem works, which is fine by me Jan 25 20:21:17 Sicelo: i see Jan 25 20:22:08 Sicelo: audio is also bad... there is alot stuff parted in the developers repos Jan 25 20:23:03 nschle85: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps2.c Jan 25 20:23:37 Sicelo: it would be nice to have all the kowledge concentarted in one site.. Jan 25 20:23:37 and, http://www.tajuma.com/supl/index.html Jan 25 20:23:46 it is ;) Jan 25 20:23:58 http://elinux.org/N900 Jan 25 20:26:35 anyway, i'm just a noob yet Jan 25 20:26:41 Sicelo: no, your links are missing important information... Jan 25 20:27:21 but ill add youzr links to the shr wiki Jan 25 20:28:09 the elinux one is a wiki page mostly maintained by pali & sre (of debian.org). basically what's there is stuff that's upstreamed. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 26 02:59:59 2013