**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 29 02:59:58 2013 Jan 29 10:53:36 Hi Jan 29 10:55:59 Again the same question: after upgrading from pre-gdbus version of fsogsmd to a current git HEAD my Calypso often resumes due to : URC: [ "+CREG: 1,"690F","911F"" ] Jan 29 10:56:34 Even though the first command preparing to suspend was SRC: "+CREG=0" -> [ "OK" ] Jan 29 10:56:58 PaulFertser: maybe it was just in the queue already? Jan 29 10:58:44 lindi-: yes, may be, currently thinking about that . I'll paste a better log shortly. Jan 29 11:00:32 PaulFertser: I use ogsmd so I'm not sure if I have much time to do much with fso-gsmd Jan 29 11:04:23 lindi-: http://paste.debian.net/230027/ Jan 29 11:04:53 lindi-: please take a look, i guess it doesn't depend on the daemon much. Jan 29 11:06:14 PaulFertser: that does not mentnion 690f Jan 29 11:07:50 PaulFertser: I too get +CREG messages even after +CREG=0 Jan 29 11:09:13 lindi-: yes, i took an earlier example which had another +CREG report, sorry. But the one with 690F looks the same to me. Jan 29 11:09:35 lindi-: how do you avoid +CREG messages to skip unnecessary wakeup? Jan 29 11:09:45 PaulFertser: no idea Jan 29 11:09:54 PaulFertser: there are several commands sent before suspend Jan 29 11:10:23 PaulFertser: http://paste.debian.net/230029/ Jan 29 11:10:34 lindi-: hm, so after all the commands in your ogsmd you have no +CREG but +CREG=0 alone is not enough, do i understand you right? Jan 29 11:10:54 PaulFertser: I have not tested if it is enough alone Jan 29 11:11:40 lindi-: but with the set you've posted you do not get +CREG unsol. Jan 29 11:11:48 PaulFertser: correct Jan 29 11:12:06 lindi-: great, thank you for the hint! Jan 29 11:23:58 Probably the order matters... Jan 29 17:25:10 lindi-: i think i know the answer: probably +CREG setting is per-channel, and it's =1 by default and the suspend sequence is done on one channel while i see unsol on another. Jan 29 18:07:02 morphis: fa9cdf0455a5a6ca36b4b30f1c715e4cb318b047 is why i receive +CREG unsol on channel 2 because the suspend/resume sequence is done on channel 3, and default for every channel (in calypso fw i presume) is CREG=1. Jan 29 18:09:49 And before that my logs of cause had <0710:2>: SRC: "+CREG=2;+CREG?;+CREG=0" -> [ "+CREG: 2,1,"FDEB","1179"", "OK" ] and now CREG on chan 2 is not touched at all. Jan 29 18:41:23 I wonder how the hell nobody's noticed that since March :/ Jan 29 18:55:46 May but still meh Jan 29 18:57:12 I'll send a patch soon Jan 29 19:11:31 PaulFertser: So we had really much unnessecary wakeups on shr? i thought that was my subjective cognition... Jan 29 19:15:07 then i am looking forward to next update :) Jan 29 19:30:50 Thamos: lucky me i'm running with full fsogsmd DEBUG all the time so at least i had some clue :/ Jan 29 19:32:15 yeah, thanks to you we got it right now! :) Jan 29 19:32:52 I haven't tested it extensively yet, but it looks like the patch really fixes that. Jan 29 19:32:57 i just thought my battery is getting weaker Jan 29 19:33:22 all of my 3 batteries... Jan 29 19:33:35 I've already ordered a new battery btw :) Jan 29 19:34:06 Some cheapest BL-6C from ebay, should be good enough as my previous one (bought the same way) worked reasonably good. Jan 29 19:34:06 maybe you don't really need, with your new patch ^^ Jan 29 19:35:02 what hardware is this battery used on? Jan 29 19:35:48 Thamos: i'm glad to hear i'm not the only one still using FSO, cheers :) Jan 29 19:35:54 Sicelo: gta02 Jan 29 19:35:57 ^^ Jan 29 19:36:34 interesting. :-) Jan 29 19:36:38 i'm just now tinkering with navit for my first time. What is the current speech synthesizer in shr? i searched festival and espeak, but found nothing... Jan 29 19:36:57 i like the fso aproach. Jan 29 19:37:15 but i feel its lacking manpower... :( Jan 29 19:37:32 Thamos: do you have any pending FSO bugs? Jan 29 19:38:09 hm. sometime its hard to distinguish between fso and shr bugs... Jan 29 19:38:20 * Sicelo is now interested in testing shr on his N900 Jan 29 19:39:02 i simply got too much crashes. This is the most negativ impact in my userexperience. Jan 29 19:39:15 mostly with incoming calls and sms. Jan 29 19:39:20 Thamos: fsogsmd crashing or what? Jan 29 19:39:29 whole phone. Jan 29 19:39:40 don't know from where exactly this comes. Jan 29 19:40:23 Thamos: i know only one bug regarding whole system stability: 2.6.39 hangs on resume sometimes (probably 1 out of 50). Jan 29 19:40:29 first i thought it may be related to suspend. But sometimes these crashes occour while i am using the phone, too. Jan 29 19:40:39 hm. Jan 29 19:40:57 In fact i had hangs during usage too, but probably on an earlier kernel. Jan 29 19:41:35 when i can still ping the phone on usb-network and display-dimming works, what could be the cause if nothing else responds (no ssh, no screen) Jan 29 19:41:42 Every time i upgrade i face new bugs, heh. At least i can debug some sometimes... Jan 29 19:42:19 yeah, at my place, too Jan 29 19:42:26 but i can't do much myself. Jan 29 19:42:41 i complain in shr trac Jan 29 19:43:08 I do not follow shr trac, i'm using FSO plus Emacs UI. Jan 29 19:43:19 I do not need SHR, i'm on plain Debian. Jan 29 19:43:20 emacs ui? Jan 29 19:43:36 i have never heard of... Jan 29 19:44:00 can you give me some link to screenshots or something? Jan 29 19:44:25 Thamos: https://github.com/paulfertser/fso-el/wiki Jan 29 19:45:08 oh, you are cooking your own soup ;) Jan 29 19:45:17 Thamos: i had to Jan 29 19:45:40 i like emacs, too. Have lately begun to use its calendar Jan 29 19:45:51 i am looking forward to experiment with it email. Jan 29 19:46:06 I have a nasty hack to make Emacs calendar a bit more usable on FR's narrow screen. Jan 29 19:46:24 Thamos: hm, if you like emacs please try my UI on SHR, i'm all open to suggestion. Jan 29 19:47:22 I use Gnus for some mailing lists via NNTP gmane.org, but so far i still find mutt easier for IMAP email. Jan 29 19:47:34 hm. I will. But don't know when. If you know german Fasnet, i like that very much, and after that i should stuff for universtity... Jan 29 19:47:53 mutt is with emacs, too? Or standalone? Jan 29 19:48:00 Mutt is standalone Jan 29 19:48:23 And Emacs's jabber.el lacks GPG support and no plans for anything like that, so i'm using mcabber. Jan 29 19:48:27 i rember i wanted to test that one day, too. But it somehow got along... Jan 29 19:49:03 you like console-tools very much =) Jan 29 19:49:25 Thamos: try org-mode too, that's really cool thing that can be used to structure one's thoughts. And to make todo-lists and to put deadlines and access your "agenda" if you feel like doing that. Jan 29 19:49:51 I even use emacs-w3m for the biggest part of my web-browsing, yes. Jan 29 19:50:06 I find it more comfortable. And i run most tools in screen on my home computer, accessing it via ssh. Jan 29 19:50:19 the more i use emacs, the more i get the meaning of the telling "it just can't make coffee, yet"... Jan 29 19:51:08 When i was writing fso.el, it was my first ELisp experience and even though it's clumsy by today's standards, i still enjoyed the process a lot. Jan 29 19:51:36 you use your homecomputer with screen over network on your freerunner? Jan 29 19:51:54 Emacs got lexical bindings for variables btw lately. Jan 29 19:52:14 Rarely, when i have no other means to access it, yes. Jan 29 19:53:09 "mosh" makes ssh less painful for slow networks but some environments filter ports :/ Jan 29 19:58:29 looks interessting Jan 29 19:58:58 my problem is, that it looks not very comfortable to use emacs without keyboard. Jan 29 19:59:19 and the keyboard on the phone is not really comfortable (in shr at least...) Jan 29 19:59:51 or is fso-el somehow making this easier? Jan 29 20:00:08 how do you use it? Jan 29 20:02:10 PaulFertser: still there? Jan 29 20:04:20 Thamos: yes Jan 29 20:05:13 Thamos: well, actually i'm using e17's keyboard and emacs'ing is not that bad with it. At least i never had a better experienced on a smartphone. Jan 29 20:06:25 ok, so you are using some kind of pen? Or is the e17's one not the same that uses shr? Jan 29 20:06:31 Thamos: also, most actions with fso-el can be performed by pressing on screen buttons, without the keyboard. Jan 29 20:07:01 Fingernails only, even when i cut them really short, are ok. Jan 29 20:07:23 Same as in SHr. Jan 29 20:08:04 i think my Display got bad. I can't really use my finger anymore. Only when i've got long fingernails... Jan 29 20:08:35 i rember that to be better in the first days. (or the jitter-correction had regression....) Jan 29 20:09:02 I do not press anything with the fingertips, only the tip of a fingernail is good. Jan 29 20:09:22 ah, ok. yeah, tips are really unusable. Jan 29 20:09:37 i dislike that fact a little. Jan 29 20:10:20 I dislike the fact that N900 is still not fully functional with sane software, it's keyboard is much better. Jan 29 20:11:07 its Jan 29 20:11:15 i think i will give emacs tomorrow a go. Jan 29 20:11:22 on my phone. Jan 29 20:11:36 shut up!! :P Jan 29 20:11:44 ^^ Jan 29 20:12:07 PaulFertser: ^^ Jan 29 20:12:35 I was very sceptical about Emacs with a virtual keyboard myself until i tried it. Jan 29 20:13:35 Sicelo: you're welcome to improve FSO support on N900, it seems that almost all needed bits are there. Jan 29 20:14:16 my project for now: has anybody any idea how i can get navit to speak to me? I havn't found festival or espeak in shr-feeds Jan 29 20:14:17 i guess this i correct image? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core-staging/latest/images/nokia900/shr-image-nokia900.tar.gz Jan 29 20:14:59 unfortunately i'm not a dev, but i at least can help with testing Jan 29 20:16:11 Sicelo: like i am on shr-gta02 ^^ Jan 29 20:17:54 * Sicelo hopes there's a proper zImage inside that tar.gz. i have issues with u-boot, so i use flasher most of the time Jan 29 20:21:12 eew, only uImages inside .. uboot after all Jan 29 20:21:23 bye for today. Jan 29 20:21:33 cya Jan 29 20:21:53 Thamos: see you Jan 29 20:55:11 PaulFertser, hmmm hi Jan 29 20:55:23 I'm sorry I'm behind with my mail Jan 29 20:56:09 PaulFertser, did someone merge your patches? Jan 29 21:31:37 PaulFertser, btw does the gta02 still work well? Jan 29 21:31:45 what do you use on it? Jan 29 22:41:12 JaMa, hi Jan 29 22:41:55 hi Jan 29 22:42:32 JaMa, what should we do about touchscreen patches Jan 29 22:42:37 they're still not merged Jan 29 22:43:42 for gta04 Jan 29 22:43:55 2) I think I'll also build for danny Jan 29 22:44:09 but I really want fso master Jan 29 22:44:26 it's to get firefox working Jan 30 00:02:21 GNUtoo-m4a785t-m: no strong opinion on ts patches, here it works reasonably well but I'm not using that often and when I do I have stylus Jan 30 00:02:45 GNUtoo-m4a785t-m: and I don't understand how fso master is related to firefox working Jan 30 00:04:15 both are related to danny Jan 30 00:04:36 I want danny for firefox Jan 30 00:04:48 but I still want fso master Jan 30 02:12:12 which touchscreen patches? There were some patches to switch to tslib and some patches to make evdev work a little better. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 30 02:59:58 2013