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Feb 08 13:57:18 <[3]Trim> Hello! I'm using Qtmoko v52-armhf and I've errors on resume. Does someone know how I can report this bug ? I don't know which pieces of information are relevant.
Feb 08 14:03:00 <radekp> [3]Trim: hi, what kind of errors?
Feb 08 14:03:25 <radekp> [3]Trim: do you have some error messages or it does not resume at all?
Feb 08 14:12:04 <[3]Trim> I have two types of errors : sometimes my screen kept black and I'm only able to shut down my phone with power button and sometimes the screen display the last qtmoko image (with the lock and time of last lock, so now I've 2pm noticed, but here I'm at 3 pm now) but without any interaction possible (expect that I can press Aux and see the "^@" strings displayed)
Feb 08 14:13:10 <radekp> [3]Trim: hmm i think i saw something like that too - will have to investigate it when it happens...
Feb 08 14:14:06 <[3]Trim> I've just been able to ssh on it.
Feb 08 14:14:06 <radekp> [3]Trim: i wonder if that is 3.7 kernel problem or armhf kernel
Feb 08 14:14:21 <radekp> [3]Trim: can you check if brigtness is set correctly?
Feb 08 14:14:28 <radekp> [3]Trim: is your screen still black?
Feb 08 14:14:51 <[3]Trim> I'm in the second situation
Feb 08 14:15:05 <[3]Trim> with screen displaying 2pm instead of 3pm and stuck
Feb 08 14:16:22 <[3]Trim> ah top says me that qpe is running at ~25%
Feb 08 14:16:42 <radekp> ah interesting...
Feb 08 14:17:13 <[3]Trim> usage of CPU by qpe is between 10-25%
Feb 08 14:17:17 <radekp> i wonder if qtmoko-v52 armel has the same problem....
Feb 08 14:17:48 <[3]Trim> I've not yet tried armel version
Feb 08 14:17:56 <radekp> [3]Trim: hmm i have some idea, can you try "ls -la /dev/ttyHS*"
Feb 08 14:18:49 <[3]Trim> yes : http://pastebin.com/UUU5sagA
Feb 08 14:19:16 <radekp> hmm it looks ok
Feb 08 14:19:36 <radekp> maybe strace on qpe process could help...
Feb 08 14:19:44 <radekp> unfortunately i have to go...
Feb 08 14:20:02 <radekp> but i can read scrollback later...
Feb 08 14:20:17 <[3]Trim> Or I can make a mail on the list with strace
Feb 08 14:21:09 <radekp> oki
Feb 08 14:21:18 <radekp> that is even better
Feb 08 14:21:36 <radekp> see you later...
Feb 08 14:21:39 <[3]Trim> see you
Feb 08 15:30:55 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, could you test the hardware encoder in OMAP3, I don't need it src from camera
Feb 08 15:31:15 <ayaka> I just want to know its speed and cpu taked
Feb 08 15:32:25 <GNUtoo-x60> I think I don't have it on my bug20
Feb 08 15:32:41 <GNUtoo-x60> and I've it on n900 but the camera doesn't work there with gstreamer
Feb 08 15:33:00 <GNUtoo-x60> maybe in 2.6.28 it does but 2.6.28 doesn't boot anymore with recent rootfs(systemd)
Feb 08 15:36:25 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, could use a file or clip to test?
Feb 08 15:38:26 <GNUtoo-x60> ah yes good idea
Feb 08 15:39:10 <GNUtoo-x60> altough I'm ultra-busy recently: I'm trying to recover my workflow because I went to a conference
Feb 08 15:39:33 <GNUtoo-x60> like when I came back I had more than 3000 mails and a lot of stuff to do
Feb 08 15:40:27 <ayaka> it doesn't matter, I can wait
Feb 08 15:40:32 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 08 15:40:42 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, thank you
Feb 08 15:40:56 <GNUtoo-x60> np
Feb 08 15:41:02 <GNUtoo-x60> remind me later then
Feb 08 15:41:44 <ayaka> I find my old mp4 can run linux, althought I have the kernel sourc which is 2.6, but that chip or I should say that platform(telechip) doesn't support by mainline at all
Feb 08 15:42:10 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, how about 2 monthes later?
Feb 08 15:42:24 <GNUtoo-x60> sooner
Feb 08 15:42:29 <GNUtoo-x60> line next week for instance
Feb 08 15:42:34 <GNUtoo-x60> or this week-end
Feb 08 15:42:54 <GNUtoo-x60> there is some source for the telechips soc
Feb 08 15:43:09 <GNUtoo-x60> but usually not for each board
Feb 08 15:45:03 <ayaka> oh, you have meet telechip before, even tcc8901 preform better than s3c6410
Feb 08 15:45:18 <ayaka> at least, on encode and decode part
Feb 08 16:45:26 <PaulFertser> dos1: hey :) still using your gta02?
Feb 08 16:46:27 <ayaka> if I meet problem when I was building arm toolchain, which channel shall I go
Feb 08 16:55:46 <PaulFertser> ayaka: talking about bare hw, i use summon-arm-toolchain. They have their own channel.
Feb 08 16:56:56 <ayaka> I see
Feb 08 16:57:30 <ayaka> I follow this http://cross-lfs.org/view/CLFS-1.2.0/ppc/cross-tools/eglibc.html to build an arm toolchain
Feb 08 16:59:30 <ayaka> but https://paste.debian.net/232712/
Feb 08 16:59:51 <ayaka> config.log doesn't give anything useful
Feb 08 17:02:40 <ayaka> ps, I think only the libc directory in eglibc-2.17/ is what I need, does it?
Feb 08 17:07:42 <PaulFertser> ayaka: i prefer using either OpenWrt's toolchain or emdebian's when i need a glibc-based one.
Feb 08 17:11:14 <ayaka> yes, I know that, I use emdebian's too
Feb 08 17:11:29 <ayaka> but I want to know how to make it
Feb 08 17:11:40 <ayaka> I only use openwrt's on mips
Feb 08 17:11:55 <PaulFertser> OpenWrt works fine on arms too.
Feb 08 17:12:21 <PaulFertser> building a whole toolchain is sometimes a bit complicated
Feb 08 17:13:43 <PaulFertser> ayaka: do you understand what "host" and "build" in cross-compilation means?
Feb 08 17:16:32 <ayaka> maybe
Feb 08 17:16:38 <PaulFertser> Maybe not :)
Feb 08 17:18:56 <ayaka> I am not so sure, when do a cross compile ,host is x86, build is amrhf, but when build a toolchain, you need to configure host=armhf, build=x86
Feb 08 17:19:41 <PaulFertser> ayaka: i fail to parse your description
Feb 08 17:20:42 <ayaka> sorry, I re-say
Feb 08 17:21:38 <ayaka> when you use the toolchain to compile a program, host is x86, build is amrhf, but when you build a toolchain, you need to set host=armhf, build=x86
Feb 08 17:21:50 <ayaka> ^^that is what I thought
Feb 08 17:21:59 <PaulFertser> I understand you know but I do not think you got it right.
Feb 08 17:22:45 <ayaka> could you correct it
Feb 08 17:23:59 <PaulFertser> ayaka: yes, moment
Feb 08 17:24:25 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, one thing I forgot, you said you don't have the datasheet of s3c6410, yes, it's datasheet only has 2 pages, but it's user manul is like a datasheet, you can google it or I send it to you
Feb 08 17:24:28 <PaulFertser> ayaka: The official gcc documentation says: There are three system names that the build knows about: the machine you are building on (build), the machine that you are building for (host), and the machine that GCC will produce code for (target). 
Feb 08 17:26:52 <ayaka> sorry, I haven't read that part
Feb 08 17:27:37 <ayaka> but what is different of host and target ?
Feb 08 17:28:43 <PaulFertser> gcc is an executable itself. When you're configuring gcc you can specify the architecture the resulting compiler itself will run on. And target is what target it will produce code for. 
Feb 08 17:30:05 <ayaka> I see, I think I need to rebegin from binutils tomorrow
Feb 08 17:30:26 <ayaka> could you point link of that doc?
Feb 08 17:30:32 <PaulFertser> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gccint/Configure-Terms.html
Feb 08 17:31:15 <PaulFertser> ayaka: i do not think it would be of considerable educational value to you, i suggest to concentrate on other tasks you have at hand.
Feb 08 17:32:36 <PaulFertser> ayaka: e.g. you can help by using and promoting FSO. 
Feb 08 17:34:59 <ayaka> PaulFertser, yes, but I know don't have the enough basic
Feb 08 17:35:25 <PaulFertser> ayaka: compiling toolchain is an advanced topic ;)
Feb 08 17:35:25 <ayaka> I even can't understand host, build, target before you teach me
Feb 08 17:35:54 <PaulFertser> That's a tricky question indeed. You should have read more documentation and always pay attention to all the details.
Feb 08 17:36:00 <ayaka> oh, I thought it is the first thing of doing embedeed
Feb 08 17:36:13 <PaulFertser> ayaka: btw, it's possible you have some difficulties because of a language barrier too.
Feb 08 17:36:40 <ayaka> oh, I have got the book which you told me
Feb 08 17:38:22 <ayaka> I think it is because of careless and lazy, I only browse the install part of gcc, then I don't meet problem but in eglibc, I won't notice the reset of gcc
Feb 08 17:39:00 <ayaka> I use readelf to check gcc, it seems normally, so I didn't notice this problem
Feb 08 17:39:27 <ayaka> if I am not so lazy, language barrier is not a problem
Feb 08 17:39:34 <ayaka> PaulFertser, thank you so much
Feb 08 17:40:01 <PaulFertser> ayaka: welcome, and good luck!
Feb 08 17:41:07 <ayaka> ps, do you think there is some work of promoting FSO which I can do
Feb 08 17:42:44 <PaulFertser> ayaka: tbh, i do not know myself. I'm using it as it's the only choice.
Feb 08 17:43:54 <Sicelo> FSO is the phone stack/software?
Feb 08 17:44:25 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: yes, middleware
Feb 08 17:44:41 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: looks like it's the only solution that's actually used on smartphones atm.
Feb 08 17:44:47 <Sicelo> there's also ofono, isn't it?
Feb 08 17:45:20 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: do you know anybody or any blog post or anything that would confirm it's actually used on any smartphone?
Feb 08 17:47:00 <Sicelo> i use it on my N900.. worked ok first time. FSO still hasn't workd for me, even though it like what SHR has done with N900
Feb 08 17:48:22 <ayaka> in my mobile, I don't how to make screen work, I think really need to read the whole kernel source
Feb 08 17:48:25 <Sicelo> even a nice screen lock slider ;-)
Feb 08 17:48:56 <ayaka> but I failed in make a linux cross reference
Feb 08 17:49:00 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: do you mean you're actually using it on n900? Or just testing that it loads and sort of works?
Feb 08 17:49:05 <ayaka> s/make/making
Feb 08 17:51:25 <Sicelo> PaulFertser: using.. with Debian wheezy. i use it for gprs, and sms
Feb 08 17:51:44 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: eh, that's not a complete telephony solution then.
Feb 08 17:51:53 <PaulFertser> I'm using my gta02 as my only cellphone.
Feb 08 17:51:57 <PaulFertser> daily
Feb 08 17:52:18 <PaulFertser> (sans the days i'm fucking trying to fix some obscure bug that shouldn't have been there in the first place :/)
Feb 08 17:52:34 <Sicelo> of course, lol. but, i know Skry (#maemo-alternatives) can make complete calls with it
Feb 08 17:53:13 <Sicelo> i am following your work btw.. :-)
Feb 08 17:54:29 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: even if they can make calls, it doesn't mean they have everything needed ready. FSO is a complete stack, and ofono is just telephony middleware. Where do you store your messages and contacts, what about events and other device-specific tasks handling?
Feb 08 17:54:34 <Sicelo> PaulFertser: i'll give SHR a shot again, maybe you can help me get fso to work
Feb 08 17:54:47 <PaulFertser> I thougt about trying ofono but it won't give me a complete usable solution anyway.
Feb 08 17:55:14 <ayaka> PaulFertser, thank you, if you find some work I can do , please tell me, in this time, I am learning and reading
Feb 08 17:55:27 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: i've heard fso on n900 "almost" works, but there're issues with the voice sound forwarding.
Feb 08 17:56:14 <impulse-> chomwitt: did you end up finding a fix for this:
Feb 08 17:56:17 <impulse-> <chomwitt> kernel-panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (179,1)
Feb 08 17:56:39 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: i have n900 myself but i do not feel like spending many hours trying to get fso work while other parts (especially the kernel) are still not ready. I'm currently concentrating on making my gta02 work as sane as possible, and then i'll try using gta04 (as it's mostly the same code).
Feb 08 17:56:56 <PaulFertser> My nearest current plan is to get Xmonad+dzen+xvkbd comfortable environment on the phone.
Feb 08 17:56:58 <Sicelo> i don't have the gtaXX
Feb 08 17:59:32 <Sicelo> PaulFertser: i don't care 'too' much about voice calls, but gprs/3g is a must
Feb 08 18:02:53 <Sicelo> since we're talking.. the kernels hacks you worked on with DocScrutinizer05 for H-E-N on N900, where can i find them, and would you expect them to work on other kernels (3.x for example)?
Feb 08 18:08:59 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: just use the power-kernel, it has the hacks included.
Feb 08 18:09:23 <PaulFertser> Yes, i think it's relatively easy to port those hacks to 3.x, as they're quite small.
Feb 08 18:11:26 <Sicelo> PaulFertser: for debian i mostly use 2.6.37 (from meego/nemo), but i've booted a 3.5 successfully
Feb 08 18:11:48 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: how is power consumption with those kernels?
Feb 08 18:12:38 <Sicelo> huge. then again, i'm still a newbie.. not sure what stuff to optimise, etc
Feb 08 18:13:52 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: :(
Feb 08 18:15:38 <Sicelo> still fun though.. my N900 runs a newer debian than my pc :D
Feb 08 18:16:25 <PaulFertser> :)
Feb 08 18:16:30 <PaulFertser> My n900 is gathering dust
Feb 08 18:23:29 <Sicelo> sell it to me (if i wasn't too far away)
Feb 08 18:29:32 <Sicelo> PaulFertser: before i get carried away, lol.. these 'small' hacks, where could I grab them from?
Feb 08 18:30:49 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: no, that's a developer device, not for sale anyway.
Feb 08 18:31:38 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/paul-manual
Feb 08 18:33:36 <PaulFertser> Sicelo: if you have any questions regarding to code, feel free to ask
Feb 08 18:53:44 <Sicelo> kewl. thanks
Feb 08 18:53:55 <GNUtoo-x60> Sicelo, what do you run on your n900?
Feb 08 18:55:54 <Sicelo> debian on top of meego kernel.. no daily though
Feb 08 18:55:58 <Sicelo> *not
Feb 08 19:02:06 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 08 19:02:23 <GNUtoo-x60> Sicelo, what do you use it for?
Feb 08 19:02:24 <GNUtoo-x60> calls?
Feb 08 19:02:29 <GNUtoo-x60> or just laptop replacement?
Feb 08 19:04:36 <Sicelo> just for fun really. 
Feb 08 19:05:20 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 08 19:06:21 <Sicelo> i do hope one day it can be made to work 'completely', with calls
Feb 08 19:06:48 <Sicelo> as for laptop replacement, it IS my laptop, lol, as i don't have a laptop anyway :P
Feb 08 19:10:08 <GNUtoo-x60> Sicelo, ask me for pointers when you'll want to make the fso forwarder work fine
Feb 08 19:11:51 <Sicelo> cool. tomorrow then (i am running out of battery soon)
Feb 08 19:13:14 <dos1> PaulFertser: eyup ;)
Feb 08 19:13:29 <PaulFertser> dos1: then i hope you'll be glad to see my latest fso patches.
Feb 08 19:13:34 <dos1> (that's about still using gta02)
Feb 08 19:14:45 <dos1> yep, sms issues have been driving me crazy :D
Feb 08 19:15:42 <dos1> it sucked when discovering that i didn't get some message just because i forgot to clean up sim storage...
Feb 08 19:15:49 <PaulFertser> Oh yeah!
Feb 08 19:16:08 <PaulFertser> Luckily they've driven me to fix it. Or else i'd refrain from using GSM altogether.
Feb 08 19:17:27 <dos1> but i'm suprised with that patch for oeventsd
Feb 08 19:17:38 <dos1> about IncomingMessage trigger
Feb 08 19:18:08 <PaulFertser> dos1: read the code for IncomingMessage fso trigger then, you'll see
Feb 08 19:18:10 <PaulFertser> :)
Feb 08 19:18:23 <dos1> i'm doing it right now
Feb 08 19:18:32 <dos1> (searching for the file)
Feb 08 19:18:36 <PaulFertser> dos1: big thanks! At least someone is still interested in review.
Feb 08 19:19:10 <dos1> hmm
Feb 08 19:19:33 <dos1> on my device IncomingMessage trigger is connected to PIM.Messages.IncomingMessage dbus signal
Feb 08 19:20:51 <dos1> eyup, there's a patch in OE
Feb 08 19:20:52 <dos1> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=blob;f=meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/frameworkd/oeventsd-use-opimd-signals.patch;h=4dc5dd3a845473134c8c8e0e0fa1854ed7167581;hb=HEAD
Feb 08 19:21:42 <dos1> and it even may be that it's me who wrote it ;D
Feb 08 19:21:42 <PaulFertser> dos1: useful SHR patch not upstream? eeh
Feb 08 19:22:20 <dos1> AFAIR I added it when SHR was doing opimd transition
Feb 08 19:22:51 <dos1> but at that time there was also Paroli and other stuff which didn't want to use opimd
Feb 08 19:24:07 <dos1> PaulFertser: was someone interested in commiting those patches or should I do that?
Feb 08 19:24:09 <PaulFertser> dos1: i do not think hooking oeventsd to SIM messages makes any sense anyway.
Feb 08 19:24:49 <dos1> PaulFertser: i think in fsogsmd there is now another, higher level signal
Feb 08 19:25:37 <dos1> as it handles direct messages by itself, in opposite of ogsmd
Feb 08 19:25:45 <dos1> s/e of/e to/
Feb 08 19:25:46 <apt> dos1 meant: as it handles direct messages by itself, in opposite to ogsmd
Feb 08 19:27:01 <dos1> yup, org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.IncomingTextMessage
Feb 08 19:27:21 <dos1> and org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.IncomingMessageReport
Feb 08 19:27:34 <dos1> those were introduced with fsogsmd AFAIR
Feb 08 19:27:49 <PaulFertser> dos1: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.html;hb=HEAD#IncomingTextMessage ?
Feb 08 19:27:58 <PaulFertser> dos1: let's hook IncomingMessage in frameworkd to it then.
Feb 08 19:28:04 <PaulFertser> dos1: and do not change the default 
Feb 08 19:28:08 <PaulFertser> It'd saner
Feb 08 19:28:19 <dos1> yup
Feb 08 19:28:42 <PaulFertser> dos1: do you expect me to prepare and test the framework patch?
Feb 08 19:28:51 <PaulFertser> I can do it relatively fast.
Feb 08 19:29:17 <dos1> ok, if you want to
Feb 08 19:29:18 <dos1> ;)
Feb 08 19:29:33 <dos1> don't you have rw access to repos?
Feb 08 19:29:54 <PaulFertser> dos1: i think i have no commit access to cornucopia for sure, and i haven't checked frameworkd.
Feb 08 19:30:39 <PaulFertser> dos1: git@git.freesmartphone.org's password:
Feb 08 19:30:45 <PaulFertser> dos1: so i guess i do not have access
Feb 08 19:30:56 <PaulFertser> dos1: and i'd prefer to not commit anything without someone's review anyway.
Feb 08 19:33:52 <dos1> ok, i'll commit them if you want to
Feb 08 19:35:31 <PaulFertser> dos1: tia
Feb 08 19:35:41 <PaulFertser> dos1: are you going to test fsogsmd patches any time soon?
Feb 08 19:36:35 <dos1> i would really like to, i see those bug really often
Feb 08 19:36:41 <dos1> this*
Feb 08 19:37:16 <dos1> my language skills, what are you doing
Feb 08 19:37:20 <dos1> i'm not even drunk!
Feb 08 19:37:57 <PaulFertser> :)))
Feb 08 19:38:18 <PaulFertser> dos1: btw, i have a wonderful example of PHP devs being nuts
Feb 08 19:38:59 <PaulFertser> dos1: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=28517
Feb 08 19:43:27 <dos1> hah :D
Feb 08 19:45:04 <PaulFertser> Damn, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb8583f6bd89dbba5af19517049d2a2d1b97cb5d is even not byte-compiling because of a typo.
Feb 08 19:45:09 <PaulFertser> I wonder how i could have missed that.
Feb 08 19:45:12 <PaulFertser> :(
Feb 08 19:46:08 <txor> Hi! Anyone have a working openocd.cfg file for GTA02, debug board v3 and openocd v0.6.1? Thanks!! 
Feb 08 19:48:55 <PaulFertser> txor: hm, i can help preparing one if you find something complicated about that
Feb 08 19:50:13 <dos1> hmm, fso git hangs on push while trying to ping ciabot
Feb 08 19:51:12 <PaulFertser> dos1: ciabot is dead since long
Feb 08 19:51:23 <dos1> yes, i know
Feb 08 19:51:39 <dos1> but git repo shouldn't hang on push because of that :P
Feb 08 19:51:57 <PaulFertser> dos1: yes, someone should just remove the hook.
Feb 08 19:52:18 <dos1> ok, pushed quick fix for that typo
Feb 08 19:58:39 <PaulFertser> dos1: heh, i was preparing that too, thank you!
Feb 08 20:02:09 <dos1> i'll test your fsogsmd patches
Feb 08 20:03:26 <PaulFertser> dos1: i've forgotten to thank you in the commit message for that SMS.IncomingTextMessage, i was going to but failed, sorry, too sleepy apparently.
Feb 08 20:10:54 <PaulFertser> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org :-OO
Feb 08 20:21:00 <PaulFertser> It's gmail thinking i'm sending out spam, meh
Feb 08 20:22:58 <PaulFertser> otoh, if the second mail ever reaches destination, it'll have proper credits :)
Feb 08 20:23:37 <dos1> hah :D it wasn't needed, lol
Feb 08 20:24:07 <dos1> i'm preparing build env for SHR
Feb 08 20:24:29 <dos1> i've changed my laptop recently, gotta see how it'll perform ;)
Feb 08 20:26:14 <PaulFertser> lolwhat, gmail suddenly changed some authentication scheme, now i can't log in neither via imap, nor get smtp mail out.
Feb 08 20:28:45 <PaulFertser> "We've detected unusual activity on your account. To immediately restore access to your account, choose how to verify your account. "
Feb 08 20:29:12 <PaulFertser> fuck them :/
Feb 08 20:30:39 <PaulFertser> What if i do not want to tell them my cell phone number? Just because.
Feb 08 20:30:42 <PaulFertser> Oh fuck
Feb 08 20:37:09 <lindi-> PaulFertser: well don't use them :/
Feb 08 20:37:51 <PaulFertser> lindi-: yes, i wanted to stop using them long time ago. But i can't see an alternative stability-wise. Now it's perfectly stable blocked my access :(
Feb 08 20:48:01 <dos1> ouch
Feb 08 20:48:15 <dos1> sucks
Feb 08 20:55:34 <PaulFertser> Ok, recovered via old email address and by searching my logs to understand when i really registered the account...
Feb 08 20:57:57 <PaulFertser> Now to remember how to change password in sendmail.
Feb 08 21:10:20 <PaulFertser> Ok, working finally
Feb 08 21:29:28 <PaulFertser> I wonder how many people are using sendmail on their regular desktop PC :)
Feb 08 21:32:14 <lindi-> PaulFertser: I just use my ISPs IMAP server and then iki.fi that acts as an email forwarding service
Feb 08 21:33:49 <PaulFertser> lindi-: so you need to 1. count on your ISP and somewhat trust it and 2. count on iki.fi functionality and sanity, e.g. wrt SPF TXT records.
Feb 08 21:34:42 <lindi-> PaulFertser: well I have a contract with my ISP, if they make some huge mistake I can at least sue them more easily :)
Feb 08 21:35:17 <lindi-> PaulFertser: iki.fi has had a long and stable history, it's a non-profit run by technically competent people who want their own email to work too
Feb 08 21:36:32 <PaulFertser> Yeah, but i can not trust any ISP, they're awfully moronic around here (and i guess everywhere)...
Feb 08 21:37:35 <lindi-> PaulFertser: what are you mostly worried about?
Feb 08 21:37:40 <lindi-> PaulFertser: privacy?
Feb 08 21:37:43 <PaulFertser> lindi-: for mail -- stability
Feb 08 21:38:20 <PaulFertser> tbh, i also like how gmail just stores all my mail archive and i can search it...
Feb 08 21:39:49 <lindi-> PaulFertser: yeah they have nice non-free software for that :(/
Feb 08 21:40:20 <PaulFertser> lindi-: btw, in case you haven't seen it: calypso wants +CNMA unbuffered (to SIM) SMS message (+CMT:) confirmation on the same channel the CMT was sent on. After figuring it out, fsogsmd started to work as expected.
Feb 08 21:40:34 <PaulFertser> I use only their IMAP interface.
Feb 08 22:11:51 <txor> PaulFertser: I am getting errors... Tomorrow I'll try back and I'll come to ask, thanks!
Feb 08 23:21:31 <dos1> JaMa: ping
Feb 08 23:21:48 <dos1> JaMa: there's missing dependency for fsogsmd or something in between
Feb 08 23:22:00 <dos1> i've just configured clean shr-chroot
Feb 08 23:22:12 <dos1> and "bitbake fsogsmd" (and nothing else before it) failed
Feb 08 23:22:14 <dos1> | No package 'mobile-broadband-provider-info' found
Feb 08 23:22:23 <dos1> on configure
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