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Aug 25 13:50:44 <DocScrutinizer05> every now and then I actually get (to answer) an email that makes me smile with joy.
Aug 25 13:50:56 * DocScrutinizer05 waves in Nikolaus' general direction
Aug 25 13:54:39 <DocScrutinizer05> meanwhile, finding datasheets as well as any other useful info for >>Sony   ACX565AKM-7   Display Module<< is a task every gta04-n900 lover can contribute. please report to me about any findings
Aug 25 13:58:27 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.panelook.com/ACX565AKM-7_SONY_3.5_LCM_parameter_17235.html  seems helpful
Aug 25 14:04:50 <jake42> it actually is transflective
Aug 25 14:05:15 <jake42> is there a noticeable advantage?
Aug 25 14:09:41 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, you can read it in sunlight, though colors largely desaturate or even vanish
Aug 25 14:10:47 <DocScrutinizer05> red is somehwat distinguishable from all other colors which appear white
Aug 25 14:11:06 <DocScrutinizer05> well, gray
Aug 25 14:11:36 <jake42> usually not an issue
Aug 25 14:11:40 <jake42> i guess
Aug 25 14:11:47 <DocScrutinizer05> not at all
Aug 25 14:11:58 <jake42> great to know
Aug 25 14:12:08 <DocScrutinizer05> in regular use scenarios it's as good as any other display
Aug 25 14:13:05 <DocScrutinizer05> from an embedded device I don't expect the cinema feeling anyway
Aug 25 14:13:26 <DocScrutinizer05> so I don't need the 1million:1 contrast and whatnot
Aug 25 14:13:40 <jake42> the display of the GTA is unfortunatly unuseable in sunlight or indirect bright light
Aug 25 14:13:59 <jake42> well most of the time you just want to be able to read something
Aug 25 14:14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> that's where the N900 displays shows slight advantages over the gta02 toploy
Aug 25 14:15:10 <DocScrutinizer05> you actually *can* read that display even without any backlight at all, given you have sufficient ambient light
Aug 25 14:15:49 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why maemo ambient light sensor in cooperation with display driver shuts down backlight completely when ambient is too high
Aug 25 14:16:08 <jake42> :)
Aug 25 14:16:31 <DocScrutinizer05> not that you could notice the difference when it does ;-)
Aug 25 14:17:15 <jake42> well, less power drawn from the battery
Aug 25 14:17:22 <DocScrutinizer05> you also don't want to use this mode for extended reading of small fontset texts
Aug 25 14:17:56 <DocScrutinizer05> but for e.g. accepting a phonecall or for checking time of day, or for .... younameit, it's absolutely ok
Aug 25 14:18:30 <DocScrutinizer05> caveat: only works semi-decently with black-on-white
Aug 25 14:19:07 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise no light passes through the 97 white pixels to reflexive background and back to your eye
Aug 25 14:20:09 <DocScrutinizer05> so white chars on black background in xterm doesn't pan out well
Aug 25 14:20:23 <DocScrutinizer05> absolutely illegible
Aug 25 14:20:52 <jake42> as long as you can configure your coloring..
Aug 25 14:21:19 <DocScrutinizer05> that's an OS resp app question
Aug 25 14:21:29 <DocScrutinizer05> on maemo fremantle you can, usually
Aug 25 14:22:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I never personally tried SHR-N900
Aug 25 14:22:28 * jake42 wonders how readability in sunlight of the n900 disp compares to recent smartphone ones 
Aug 25 14:22:50 <DocScrutinizer05> compared to OLED for example? LOL
Aug 25 14:23:07 <jake42> shr first needs to get in shape before anyone even wants to try it
Aug 25 14:23:15 <jake42> yep
Aug 25 14:23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ACX565AKM runs circles around any OLED, in bright sunlight
Aug 25 14:24:26 <jake42> that's what I thought
Aug 25 14:24:36 <DocScrutinizer05> which isn't any surprise, since running circles around a dead object is no problem even for the lame
Aug 25 14:25:19 <DocScrutinizer05> lemme put it this way: ACX565AKM poor, OLED "WTF?! is it on?"
Aug 25 14:25:36 <jake42> better :D
Aug 25 14:26:35 <DocScrutinizer05> in bright sunlight ACX565AKM acts like a poor b&w LCD without any backlight
Aug 25 14:26:58 <jake42> right
Aug 25 14:28:15 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly only display technology really enjoyable in bright sunlight is e-ink
Aug 25 14:28:54 <jake42> haven't seen any devive other than ebookreader with it, yet
Aug 25 14:29:29 <jake42> probably cause most of them are only b&w
Aug 25 14:29:35 <jake42> for now
Aug 25 14:29:45 <DocScrutinizer05> transflexive is at least "usable". Other active technologies like transmissive or OLED or plasma tend to be completely unusable
Aug 25 14:31:16 <jake42> ah, I've seen a phone with e-ink
Aug 25 14:31:16 <DocScrutinizer05> looking at automotive and instrumetation there tells you a lot about which technologies work and which don't
Aug 25 14:31:25 <jake42> the motorola f3
Aug 25 14:33:27 * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders about a rtl2832u plus e4000 tuner directly coupled to GTA04's DSP RAM
Aug 25 14:33:57 <jake42> would be fun
Aug 25 14:34:02 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Aug 25 14:35:11 <DocScrutinizer05> a similarly versatile TX, and you could save any worries about NFC for example
Aug 25 14:35:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-D
Aug 25 14:35:18 <jake42> but first I'll try to get my GTA04 working acceptable with SHR
Aug 25 14:35:40 <DocScrutinizer05> you also don't need to worry about any certs anymore: you simply won't get them
Aug 25 14:35:43 <DocScrutinizer05> :-P
Aug 25 14:35:52 <jake42> :D
Aug 25 14:36:07 <jake42> could be a problem selling it then
Aug 25 14:36:28 <jake42> homeassembly isn't a option i guess
Aug 25 14:36:46 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, they don't have problems selling scanners, eavesdropping devices, and even weapons
Aug 25 14:37:14 <jake42> if you put it that way..
Aug 25 14:37:25 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, you're talking to an EE. We know a few tricks which are better than home assembly ;-D
Aug 25 14:37:41 <DocScrutinizer05> short TX antenna with a 0R to GND
Aug 25 14:37:46 <DocScrutinizer05> X-D
Aug 25 14:37:49 <jake42> :D
Aug 25 14:38:33 <DocScrutinizer05> "you did WHAT? you removed a component from our prototype before you tested it. DAMN, do you want to do complete development for us?"
Aug 25 14:39:14 <DocScrutinizer05> any certification authority isn't supposed to do any hw mods to the DUT
Aug 25 14:39:14 <jake42> not sure if they would actually fall for that
Aug 25 14:39:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and for sure they don't do
Aug 25 14:40:00 <jake42> because they're going to be EEs too..
Aug 25 14:40:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and device manufs are not oblighed to make their devices tamper-proof
Aug 25 14:40:43 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise we had to seal everything in resin, so you can't change anything on it
Aug 25 14:41:09 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, a single 0R is completely sufficient
Aug 25 14:41:33 <jake42> alright, you're the EE with exprience
Aug 25 14:41:37 <jake42> I suppose
Aug 25 14:41:40 <DocScrutinizer05> removing it turns the divice into something without cert and thus illegal to operate
Aug 25 14:42:16 <DocScrutinizer05> but we're selling it with 0R and thus no issue whatsoever
Aug 25 14:42:34 <DocScrutinizer05> cert doesn't even look at schematics, they treat device as a blackbox
Aug 25 14:42:46 <jake42> somehow thats crazy..
Aug 25 14:43:45 * DocScrutinizer05 waves and heads off. RL calling
Aug 25 14:43:52 <jake42> a software update would probably be sufficient
Aug 25 14:43:58 <jake42> cu
Aug 25 14:47:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.gerry-mobilfunk.de/31360.html
Aug 25 14:54:40 <DocScrutinizer05> http://mobile-parts.com.gr/en/iieea/nokia-n900-qwerty-domesheet-assembly-original.html    http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900   http://www.tiptoppreis.de/31360.html   
Aug 25 14:54:45 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.handy-ersatzteil-service.de/listen/Nokia_N900.html  !!!!!!!!
Aug 25 15:10:42 <DocScrutinizer05> also the *broken* N900 (usual defect pattern: USB broken. GSM/modem defect) should be available on ebay for definitely <100bucks, incl working LCD+flex with aux-cam, ALS, proximity-sensor, indicator-LED, and all the nasty little plastic parts like SIM-holder, GSM-amtenna, whatnot else
Aug 25 15:11:31 <DocScrutinizer05> domesheet, keymat
Aug 25 15:13:05 <DocScrutinizer05> throw in a 17EUR second-source housing, in white, gray, black, gold... and you should already be fine. Maybe new digitizer (aka screen, actually the outer surface that gets the scars over time)
Aug 25 15:18:01 <DocScrutinizer05> keymats are a major part subject to wear and tear, and it seems to become increasingly hard to get spares, especially for the non-US variants like WERTZU (yuck!). AIUI though, it seems the 17EUR spare housings come with keymat
Aug 25 15:31:11 <DocScrutinizer05> what I forgot is in fact the friggin flex cable which would give use some headache to produce, I guess. Luckkly available: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1126828927/Flex_Cable_for_Nokia_N900_Flex.html  http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/740450823/n900_flex_cable.html   BARGAIN!!>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Camera-Flex-Cable-Ribbon-Nokia-N900-/170776595505
Aug 25 16:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I ordered 3 of those http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290704781415  to check shop and component
Aug 25 20:08:29 <DocScrutinizer05> some convergence between #maemo and #openmoko-cdevel :-)
Aug 25 20:09:35 <DocScrutinizer05> you might want to /join #maemo to contribute the discussion about spreading the word of gta04-n900 and also finding a better codename for the baby
Aug 25 20:10:42 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-08-25 22:06:31] <lexik> oh yeah, and a new "codename" for it, because gta04-n900 is not as userfriendly as "MaemoX900" or my favorite: "L3X900" :D
Aug 25 20:11:13 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-08-25 22:00:50] <lexik> okey... back to the gta04-n900 :) (i really like this idea).. it will be a good idea to: 1) make an wiki page with info for new "users" and some progress, 2) maybe a thread about it, 3) and finnaly that nice "CSSU brick banner" for donation option (cant it be funded via hildon PP?)
Aug 25 20:19:10 <dos1> awesome! looks like it's the way to go :) I'm also a big fan of this idea!
Aug 25 22:06:02 <dos1> thread about Neo900 (GTA04-N900) on tmo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
Aug 26 01:57:01 <fling> omg
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