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Sep 03 10:02:00 <pabs3> huh, MS buying Nokia
Sep 03 10:02:10 <pabs3> I guess we all saw that coming :)
Sep 03 11:49:51 <plotr> well, it owned nokia for a long time already - the rest is just formalities :)
Sep 03 11:55:13 <PaulFertser> Sigh
Sep 03 12:15:37 <Exio4> plotr: sadly
Sep 03 12:58:03 <plotr> I see nothing sad in that - the company which together with apple jeopardized open web standards deserve every shit possible coming their way
Sep 03 13:01:59 <PaulFertser> At least that company made some reasonably sane and fair featurephones, and some Symbian devices (n-gage) were fine. The whole Maemo story was quite promising too.
Sep 03 13:13:12 <plotr> true - that's why elop got to kill them both before the deal
Sep 03 13:13:58 <plotr> anyway - there are plenty of chineese featurephones on MTK - and none of those manufactures tried to kill open standards so far
Sep 03 13:18:14 <jonwil> I still think the N900 is the best cellphone I have ever used.
Sep 03 13:21:32 <plotr> I really hoped that N9 would become "android without google's trojan" - too bad it was slated for kill before birth
Sep 03 13:24:53 <jonwil> I just wish a vendor would release a handset with a physical keyboard that's as good as the one on the N900 that actually has GOOD hardware and software on it
Sep 03 13:25:24 <jonwil> i.e. at least as good as the N900 in hardware
Sep 03 13:26:01 <jonwil> with a decent OS on top (i.e. not Windblows or either of those 2 fruit options)
Sep 03 13:27:23 <TAsn> jonwil, what two fruit options are there?
Sep 03 13:28:29 <jonwil> Apple and Blackberry
Sep 03 13:29:21 <jonwil> i.e. I am saying that a "decent OS" doesn't include Windows, Apple or Blackberry
Sep 03 13:29:57 <TAsn> oh, right, blackberry still exists.
Sep 03 13:30:00 <TAsn> I keep on forgetting that.
Sep 03 13:31:28 <jonwil> They probably still exist in part because of all those government contracts and deals that specify "Blackberry" by name (i.e. only Blackberry is on the approved list)
Sep 03 13:31:48 <jonwil> Especially those that specify Blackberry because its been certified as "secure" (for whatever definition the government uses)
Sep 03 14:23:16 <pabs3> plotr: MS got the patents so ....
Sep 03 14:25:13 <plotr> they had tons of those already and nokia never been friendly with their patents anyway - it's just the same old shit
Sep 03 14:29:57 <pabs3> yeah, so the patents situation stays the same (or worse) instead of maybe transferring to a company like RH 
Sep 03 15:28:33 <Sicelo> jeeez! the world has ended :(
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