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Nov 30 06:15:15 <PaulFertser> jwhitmore: what exactly do you mean by "very poor"?
Nov 30 07:58:46 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: hey :) have you heard about any gta02 gps hw issues other than loose int antenna connector and SD interference?
Nov 30 07:59:41 <PaulFertser> Now that the most pressing issue (resume instability) is solved for me I'm feeling uneasy again about the gps underperformance (the signal needs to be realy really strong for my unit to pick up).
Nov 30 10:27:19 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_U91ipVWsF_2EiG3s6BKA
Nov 30 10:36:08 <PaulFertser> They talk Deutsch, looks like some discussion on kernel-related programming but the slides are barely visible.
Nov 30 10:37:28 <slyon> PaulFertser, 2nd talk is in english. and the slides are visible if you use the 720p stream/recording
Nov 30 10:37:54 <PaulFertser> slyon: hi there :)
Nov 30 10:38:49 <slyon> PaulFertser, hi :)
Nov 30 10:40:04 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder which channel is inbound to communicate to somebody in there
Nov 30 10:40:19 <DocScrutinizer05> hi btw
Nov 30 10:40:23 <slyon> hi
Nov 30 10:40:45 <slyon> cmair and trsk are in #gta04 and are in Garching right now
Nov 30 10:40:50 <jake42> DocScrutinizer05: here :)
Nov 30 10:41:12 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, I wish my JRTZV wasn't that shifted to CET
Nov 30 10:41:38 <DocScrutinizer05> supposed to be already in Garching, still trying to find my head here in Nue
Nov 30 10:43:24 <slyon> oh so you'll drive there later on?
Nov 30 10:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, this is the plan
Nov 30 10:45:09 <slyon> nice! I'd love to go there as well... but being in beijing right now, it's just to far.
Nov 30 10:45:45 <DocScrutinizer05> a tad ;-)
Nov 30 10:46:16 <jake42> DocScrutinizer05: what's JRTZV?
Nov 30 10:46:37 <DocScrutinizer05> JoergR's TZ Virtual
Nov 30 10:46:41 <jake42> :P
Nov 30 10:47:10 <jake42> well then try to sync your TZ to CET AFAP :)
Nov 30 10:47:48 <DocScrutinizer05> just about to do that, but this causes headache and other pain, as usual
Nov 30 10:48:32 <DocScrutinizer05> trying to find a driver with a car
Nov 30 10:48:42 <DocScrutinizer05> railway is unbearable
Nov 30 10:48:51 <jake42> DocScrutinizer05: why's that?
Nov 30 10:48:55 <jake42> cost?
Nov 30 10:49:02 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, and time
Nov 30 10:49:08 <DocScrutinizer05> and schedule
Nov 30 10:49:55 <jake42> you're going to be faster than 2h via car?
Nov 30 10:50:05 <DocScrutinizer05> cost is the least issue, I'm willing to pay same amount as for railway, ~120EUR total
Nov 30 10:50:22 <jake42> ah its more like 1h
Nov 30 10:50:26 <jake42> by train
Nov 30 10:50:36 <DocScrutinizer05> I think it should be at least as fast with car
Nov 30 10:50:51 <DocScrutinizer05> it's 2h total
Nov 30 10:51:00 <DocScrutinizer05> with 2 changes
Nov 30 10:51:08 <DocScrutinizer05> and subway and whatnot
Nov 30 10:51:11 <slyon> jake42, but it's at least another 30-40 min from munich HBF to garching TUM
Nov 30 10:51:23 <DocScrutinizer05> more like 140min, by train
Nov 30 10:51:27 <jake42> slyon: right
Nov 30 10:51:30 <jake42> so its 2h
Nov 30 10:52:29 <slyon> ok gtg. dinner is waiting. see you later!
Nov 30 10:52:44 <jake42> cya
Nov 30 10:52:51 <jake42> DocScrutinizer05: so find a car :)
Nov 30 10:53:20 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, no luck so far
Nov 30 10:58:14 <DocScrutinizer05> given the livestreams, I wonder if tomorrow might be the better day to be physically at site, with all the workshops and interactive stuff
Nov 30 11:07:12 <jake42> whould you have somewhere to stay the night?
Nov 30 11:10:05 <jake42> but I guess just coming by tomorrow is probably to consider
Nov 30 11:10:33 <DocScrutinizer05> no way to stay there except a hotel
Nov 30 11:11:17 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly I can watch the livestrem of Neo900 presentation, don't need to sit there in the room and watch it "live"
Nov 30 11:12:43 <jake42> right :) rene hopefully getting all the issues resolved
Nov 30 11:12:50 <jake42> with the livestream
Nov 30 11:13:23 <DocScrutinizer05> we didn't make it to get the PHS8-P board soldered and working til today anyway, so not much to watch beyond what you already can see at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1389276#post1389276
Nov 30 11:13:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and of course I have more than that, in my mail
Nov 30 11:13:56 <jake42> oh well :)
Nov 30 11:15:24 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEgaIsfVeM&noredirect=1
Nov 30 11:15:28 <DocScrutinizer05> new livestream
Nov 30 11:15:45 <DocScrutinizer05> (I wonder where to catch them *before* they started)
Nov 30 11:17:11 <jake42> hm
Nov 30 11:17:18 <jake42> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_U91ipVWsF_2EiG3s6BKA ?
Nov 30 11:17:50 <jake42> I'll announce when a talk starts 
Nov 30 11:18:23 <jake42> links only shows the talks that are already over
Nov 30 11:18:36 <jake42> s/links/link/
Nov 30 11:18:36 <apt> jake42 meant: link only shows the talks that are already over
Nov 30 11:21:23 <jake42> ah changing the dropdown-menu from videos events shows the live stream
Nov 30 11:21:50 <fling> DocScrutinizer05: omg it is in german :|
Nov 30 11:22:34 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, sorry
Nov 30 11:23:04 <fling> Will be anything in other languages? :>
Nov 30 11:23:22 <DocScrutinizer05> with 18 guys attending, and all but one speaking german, all understanding german that's prolly what happens
Nov 30 11:23:35 <DocScrutinizer05> last talk been english
Nov 30 11:23:48 <fling> hmm hmmmm
Nov 30 11:24:17 <DocScrutinizer05> don't worry, I also don't understand much thanks to the poor audio quality ;-)
Nov 30 11:24:49 <fling> :P
Nov 30 11:25:53 <jake42> yeah the mic is the internal one from the webcam :-/
Nov 30 11:27:41 <DocScrutinizer05> the green writing(?) is invisible in videostream
Nov 30 11:28:39 <jake42> green = working 
Nov 30 11:29:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't even tell where some green might be
Nov 30 11:30:09 <jake42> that's bad
Nov 30 12:55:02 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unb6R_WSV78&noredirect=1
Nov 30 14:04:05 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtT5hOEPA0U&noredirect=1
Nov 30 14:37:51 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bbfT-Qqw1M&noredirect=1
Nov 30 16:52:49 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_iJXZCYVI&noredirect=1
Nov 30 17:35:20 <radekp_> any idea if usb host works on 2.6.39 kernel?
Nov 30 17:35:34 <radekp_> i used to do echo device > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode on 2.6.34
Nov 30 17:35:46 <radekp_> but seems this file is now gone/renamed
Nov 30 17:37:30 <DocScrutinizer05> try find(1)
Nov 30 17:37:52 <DocScrutinizer05> say "thank you, kernel devs!"
Nov 30 17:38:18 <DocScrutinizer05> "... for fsckng up sysfs with every second kernel revision"
Nov 30 17:39:12 <DocScrutinizer05> btw you probably did echo host >...
Nov 30 17:39:57 <JaMa> s3c-ohci instead of s3c2410-ohci is from even older kernel I guess
Nov 30 17:40:07 <DocScrutinizer05> echo host >/sys/*/*/*/usb_mode   might work
Nov 30 17:40:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or
Nov 30 17:40:42 <JaMa> but it's in usb-mode-toggle script
Nov 30 17:40:53 <DocScrutinizer05> echo host >$(find /sys -name usb_mode)
Nov 30 17:42:43 <PaulFertser> radekp_: ./devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode is there on 2.6.39.4 from SHR repo
Nov 30 17:43:05 <radekp_> PaulFertser: hmm i must miss some module then
Nov 30 17:43:35 <PaulFertser> radekp_: the driver is called s3c2410-ohci
Nov 30 17:44:10 <PaulFertser> radekp_: ohci_hcd is indeed loaded
Nov 30 17:44:49 <DocScrutinizer05> actaully I see why kernel devs hated it
Nov 30 17:44:56 <DocScrutinizer05> we got 2442 on GTA02
Nov 30 17:45:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm just kinda happy that they have to hate their own crap, and we only _suffer_ from it and don't get the flames from kernel devels too
Nov 30 17:46:15 <PaulFertser> In fact /sys files is not really an established way to provide kernelpace-userspace API, it's not supposed to be stable.
Nov 30 17:46:23 <radekp_> hmm i wonder what i am doing wrong... http://paste.debian.net/68608/
Nov 30 17:46:37 <DocScrutinizer05> then I wonder what for it's meant at all
Nov 30 17:47:39 <DocScrutinizer05> lol, your kernel is compiled without the right options
Nov 30 17:47:40 <PaulFertser> radekp_: most probably not the same kernel branch
Nov 30 17:48:00 <DocScrutinizer05> you need usb_otg and usb_host and whatnot
Nov 30 17:49:50 <DocScrutinizer05> at least that's my pretty uneducated guess about what went haywire
Nov 30 17:50:20 <PaulFertser> radekp_: it's your own commit that adds usb_mode here: 9c9cd8b0 :)))
Nov 30 17:50:51 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Nov 30 17:50:55 <PaulFertser> I'm on e63c60958791fe5091aed53a7745f4aab6e2e55a
Nov 30 17:51:08 <radekp_> DocScrutinizer05: :)
Nov 30 17:51:15 <radekp_> i branched from om-gta02/2.6.39/master
Nov 30 17:51:46 <radekp_> PaulFertser: oki we have same sources
Nov 30 17:52:13 <DocScrutinizer05> is your usb driver monolitic?
Nov 30 17:52:14 <radekp_> PaulFertser: same commit + your patches + debian packaging + config from SHR
Nov 30 17:52:31 <PaulFertser> radekp_: then you're not running the kernel you compiled, the usb_mode attribute is not ifdefed.
Nov 30 17:52:31 <radekp_> https://github.com/radekp/linux-2.6/tree/v2.6.39-gta02-qtmoko-v58
Nov 30 17:52:36 <DocScrutinizer05> can't see anything in list of modules
Nov 30 17:53:16 <radekp_> hmm strange...
Nov 30 17:53:19 <radekp_> root@neo:~# uname -r
Nov 30 17:53:21 <radekp_> 2.6.39-qtmoko-v58
Nov 30 17:53:40 <DocScrutinizer05> modprobe driver?
Nov 30 17:53:56 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno
Nov 30 17:54:19 <radekp_> anyways it's important that it works on SHR
Nov 30 17:54:27 <radekp_> i'll try their image and kernel
Nov 30 17:54:32 <PaulFertser> Probably old module from previous version or something?
Nov 30 17:54:41 <PaulFertser> I do not say it works on SHR, I'm using self-compiled atm of course.
Nov 30 17:54:56 <DocScrutinizer05> of *course* ;-)
Nov 30 17:55:09 <PaulFertser> radekp_: heh, you're certainly lacking the module, it's just not loaded.
Nov 30 17:55:15 <DocScrutinizer05> PaulFertser: did you watch our presentation?
Nov 30 17:55:37 <PaulFertser> radekp_: you have s3c2410-ohci in devices/ but not in drivers/. Means platform device is registered but the driver is not loaded.
Nov 30 17:55:47 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: no, sorry, was busy with other stuff at home.
Nov 30 17:56:04 <DocScrutinizer05> well, here you are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWPmXxq1MdQ
Nov 30 17:56:12 <DocScrutinizer05> almost fresh still ;)
Nov 30 17:56:25 <PaulFertser> radekp_: do you have ohci_hcd loaded?
Nov 30 17:56:46 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously not, according to lsmod
Nov 30 17:57:06 <PaulFertser> Yes :)
Nov 30 17:57:13 <DocScrutinizer05> either monolitic or not loaded
Nov 30 17:57:14 <PaulFertser> I mean why do not you have it loaded? :)
Nov 30 17:57:40 <radekp_> ahh cool
Nov 30 17:57:49 <radekp_> got it after modprobe ohci_hcd it works
Nov 30 17:58:02 <DocScrutinizer05> toldya ;-P
Nov 30 17:58:31 <radekp_> QtMoko 2.6.34 kernel used to have some things compiled in so i need to check that all modules are loaded now
Nov 30 17:58:35 <radekp_> thanks a lot :)
Nov 30 17:58:45 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Nov 30 17:59:17 <PaulFertser> :)
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