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Jan 13 01:24:42 <starseeker> DocScrutinizer05: yes, Sean replied - I sent you a "catch-up" email so you know where things stand
Jan 13 01:26:09 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks! :-)
Jan 13 01:28:22 <DocScrutinizer05> gllad Sean actually agreed with my approach, though not referring to it
Jan 13 01:28:59 <DocScrutinizer05> told ya we just picked it as we thought it's the right most liberal and best suited license 
Jan 13 01:29:17 <DocScrutinizer05> we wanted that stuff to be as free as possible
Jan 13 01:30:11 <DocScrutinizer05> only worries were about copyright of other companies in parts of the schematics (though my approach there was also more daring than what we finally did, but the result was fine anyway :-D )
Jan 13 01:31:24 <DocScrutinizer05> just in case you missed it ;-) somebody told me we did a really poor job with those black blobs in schem of GTA01 
Jan 13 01:31:50 <starseeker> DocScrutinizer05: heh - this is the circuit diagrams?
Jan 13 01:31:55 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jan 13 01:32:14 * starseeker chuckles - literal black boxes.  Ah, well
Jan 13 01:32:36 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, and some 'idiot' just painted them over the stuff
Jan 13 01:32:44 <DocScrutinizer05> try highlight the area ;-)
Jan 13 01:32:57 * starseeker winces - the classic fail of pdf
Jan 13 01:33:09 <DocScrutinizer05> handy, no? ;-P
Jan 13 01:33:38 <starseeker> is that circuit setup the basis of the new neo900 effort as well?
Jan 13 01:33:52 <DocScrutinizer05> we had a lot of fun when we checked those black blobs before we released the pdf
Jan 13 01:34:18 <DocScrutinizer05> no, Neo900 and GTA01/02 are completely totally unrelated
Jan 13 01:34:33 * starseeker nods - too bad, but I guess not surprising
Jan 13 01:34:58 <DocScrutinizer05> would be too bad if we used that old crappy stuff for fine new device ;-)
Jan 13 01:35:07 * starseeker gets dizzy thinking about the technology changes he's seen just in his life-time...
Jan 13 01:35:42 <starseeker> DocScrutinizer05: heh - that's the software developer's perspective you're hearing.  we're lucky, if we do something really well in C it can live for decades
Jan 13 01:35:51 <DocScrutinizer05> heh, the battery gas gauge is almost identical ;-)
Jan 13 01:36:07 <DocScrutinizer05> and the accelerometer is actually 100% identical
Jan 13 01:36:17 <starseeker> cool
Jan 13 01:36:33 <bencoh> sometimes even clumsy C code lives for decades ;)
Jan 13 01:37:17 * starseeker snorts - if you want scary code living for decades, you need look no further than the TeX system (or more correctly, the scary nightmare that translates the original code to C)
Jan 13 01:37:33 <DocScrutinizer05> (accel) thiugh we keep the lis302 only for compatibility reasons to N900, we add a fine Bosch 9 axis MEMS
Jan 13 01:38:55 <DocScrutinizer05> starseeker: you're aware that the Neo900 schematics - though not as beautiful as the OM ones - are already completely open, even before they get finished?
Jan 13 01:39:59 <starseeker> nice!  I'm mostly aware of the n900 because of a SIGGRAPH presentation:  http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/camera-2.0/
Jan 13 01:41:11 <starseeker> not up on the hardware details, but I was lucky enough to see the actual presentation of that system - made me *really* want a n900 ;-)
Jan 13 01:41:23 <starseeker> actually, it was this one at SIGGRAPH:  http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/fcam/
Jan 13 01:41:49 <starseeker> beautiful illustration of the merits of open hardware
Jan 13 01:42:56 * starseeker hopes the neo900 will be able to run that as well :-)
Jan 13 01:52:51 <DocScrutinizer05> fcam? yes, we use compatible camera module and circuit
Jan 13 01:53:46 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly because we want to run apps like fcam on Neo900
Jan 13 01:54:17 <starseeker> awesome
Jan 13 01:54:28 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's prolly OT in this chan, rather a topic for #neo900
Jan 13 01:54:40 <starseeker> heh - true
Jan 13 01:54:51 <starseeker> is there still active openmoko hardware development?
Jan 13 01:55:18 <DocScrutinizer05> umm, apart form GDC's GTA04 hardly anything
Jan 13 01:55:26 * starseeker nods
Jan 13 01:55:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and I think even GTA04 doesn't qualify as "OM development"
Jan 13 01:56:27 <starseeker> bit like the rockbox firmware, I guess - the technology has moved on
Jan 13 01:58:05 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno rockbox. Don't feel like checking what it is
Jan 13 01:58:16 <starseeker> firmware for music players
Jan 13 01:58:19 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, afk
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