**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 03 02:59:58 2015 Mar 03 03:42:11 DocScrutinizer05: well, Jolla uses an Android layer at the bottom, just as Ubuntu Touch. (and Firefox OS is even worse AFAIK.) Tizen is the *only* remaining commercial Linux-based Smartphone OS that doesn't use an Android layer Mar 03 04:13:31 ~die Mar 03 07:13:12 antrik: is it really so? (about jolla using android layer) Mar 03 10:58:24 mickeyl: hi, how is gee-0.8 migration going? I've noticed the wip branch and I would appreciate it :) Mar 03 11:28:21 antrik: I guess I wouldn't mind android layer all that much as long it's not terrible pain to make regular unixy applications work. I can't really say f/oss apps for android make up useable system for me. Mar 03 11:29:44 for the record I just got Samsung B5330 (hw qwerty, android4.1) to replace the dying nokia featurephone, since it's in the same price range anyway Mar 03 11:31:22 (got both second-hand) Mar 03 11:53:45 arossdotme: dynawa-tch1 is afaik dead project if you mean that Mar 03 11:58:03 then there are various kickstarters which are more about hipster smartphone accessories and I'm not sure about about openness of the actual system. Pebble looked okay-ish I guess Mar 03 14:50:41 JaMa: looks good so far. I'm confident I can switch everything over this month. Mar 03 14:57:45 mickeyl: cool, I'll delay libgee upgrade in meta-oe a bit more :) Mar 03 14:58:01 JaMa: :) Mar 03 16:15:43 Sicelo: yes. famoustly they are the original creators of libhybris, which was later worked on by Canonical as well, and led to a widely published misunderstanding that Canonical created it themselves... Mar 03 16:17:34 CcxCZ: that should be possible with Ubuntu or Sailfish (Jolla), as long as you don't mind the blobs hidden away in the Android layer... Mar 03 16:18:52 Ubuntu might be a better starting point, as everything above the blob layer is entirely free software Mar 03 17:40:53 ((Ubuntu might be a better starting point,)) from a usability POV however, sailfish/jolla might be way better. Heard Ubuntu is unbearable Mar 03 17:41:26 depends on waht you want from such device Mar 03 19:13:12 CcxCZ: i don't know of this dynawa-tch1. Mar 03 19:13:48 oh the watch Mar 03 19:13:48 idk Mar 03 19:13:48 i'll have a look Mar 03 19:35:20 so that must have been what that watch was called, been wanting to find out about those floss watches for a while Mar 03 20:40:51 DocScrutinizer05: well, considering that he explicitly talked about free software, I don't think he cares much for an UI that is "better" but not free... Mar 03 21:40:30 sailfish is not "non-free" Mar 03 21:41:17 it's much like maemo, though probbaly a few more blobs, maybe even in the GUI theme Mar 03 21:41:40 nevertheless it's based on mer/nemo Mar 03 21:44:06 so the system is FOSS, it's the UI that's proprietary, and I guess same applies to ubuntu in one way or another. Mar 03 22:24:31 tbh I'd rather live in commandline. SHR with dwm was lovely on G1… Mar 03 22:24:49 DocScrutinizer05: I think it's the other way around, for ubuntu/touch Mar 03 22:25:06 (the blobs live in the android layer) Mar 03 22:25:22 the UI is most probably FOSS Mar 03 23:58:06 DocScrutinizer05: no it doesn't. Ubuntu is free, period. Mar 03 23:58:27 (again, everything above the blob layer I mean) Mar 04 00:00:33 as for Jolla, I'm not really sure. I heard several claims that the UI is proprietary; but in the tablet crowdfunding campain, they are talking as if it's all free... Mar 04 00:01:43 so either many people are very uninformed, or Jolla is blantantly lying Mar 04 00:25:06 silica is closed source Mar 04 00:25:32 so is half of the UI/coreapps Mar 04 00:28:04 well, what's "the UI" Mar 04 00:28:49 the theme? the (gtk/qt) toolkit? the window/display manager? The apps? Mar 04 00:30:43 in their case, silica (qt/qml "UI" components) and the usual core apps Mar 04 00:30:47 I think on jolla all is free between the android RIL on bottom and the - lets call it "kde" - on top. the window manager and display manager is prolly still free Mar 04 00:31:50 qt/qml partially I guess Mar 04 00:31:53 25 < bencoh> so is half of the UI/coreap Mar 04 00:31:56 woops Mar 04 00:32:01 01:25 < bencoh> silica is closed source Mar 04 00:32:19 no idea what's silica, sorry Mar 04 00:32:35 silica (qt/qml "UI" components) (a few lines above ;) Mar 04 00:33:38 whatever, I'm not interested in sailfish much Mar 04 00:33:53 I'm even less interested in ubuntu Mar 04 00:34:20 for a number of technical reasons Mar 04 00:34:32 afk, cya Mar 04 01:04:22 I wonder how locked down the devices shipping with Ubuntu are?... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 04 02:59:58 2015