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Apr 08 12:48:51 <jake42> DocScrutinizer05: ta
Apr 08 12:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Apr 08 12:50:24 <DocScrutinizer05> would have answered on thread if it wasn't for yet another account this time on github
Apr 08 12:50:58 <DocScrutinizer05> mickeyl: ^^^
Apr 08 12:52:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I only can agree wholeheartedly that _not_ adjusting clock_monotonous early during resume is a brainfart idea
Apr 08 12:52:43 <DocScrutinizer05> basically suspend is a bad idea to start with ;-)
Apr 08 12:53:24 <DocScrutinizer05> luckily decent systems like OMAP platforms will not need any steeenky suspend
Apr 08 12:53:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Apr 08 12:58:59 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/6f7231671b
Apr 08 13:00:47 <jake42> neo freerunner isn't so decent ;-)
Apr 08 13:05:51 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Apr 08 13:06:08 <DocScrutinizer05> S3C2442 is a poorly designed CPU
Apr 08 13:06:19 <DocScrutinizer05> SoC
Apr 08 13:09:12 <DocScrutinizer05> but as evildragon says "securing a SoC is not easy" - it neither was for OM
Apr 08 13:10:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ~soc
Apr 08 13:10:10 <apt> soc is, like, System On Chip - many embedded cpus include a variety of peripherals as well which makes them more than just a CPU.  Send Out Cards - http://www.sendoutcards.com/  Summer of Code (a google project)  U of U's School of Computing (http://www.cs.utah.edu/)
Apr 08 13:11:24 <jake42> well, in the not so longterm i would like to switch to my gta04
Apr 08 13:13:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#neo900 soc
Apr 08 13:13:01 <apt> rumour has it, #neo900 soc is http://pandoralive.info/?p=2808 or DM3730 OMAP3
Apr 08 13:13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> in the long term I would like to switch to my Neo900 ;-)
Apr 08 13:13:47 <DocScrutinizer05> *not so* long
Apr 08 13:14:00 <jake42> right
Apr 08 13:15:23 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if there's any web search engine that is using OCR to index bitmap text as well
Apr 08 13:16:44 <DocScrutinizer05> there's few info that's "written" as bitmap text, but that little fraction usually is highly valuable when you search for exotic hard to find stuff
Apr 08 13:16:57 <jake42> though even when neo900 is done, the problem is what to run on it- I'm not really satisfied with half closed maemo
Apr 08 13:17:19 <DocScrutinizer05> context: http://leaksource.info/2013/12/30/nsas-ant-division-catalog-of-exploits-for-nearly-every-major-software-hardware-firmware/
Apr 08 13:18:07 <DocScrutinizer05> jake42: the idea is to turn it from "half closed" into "99% open"
Apr 08 13:18:52 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise how would we ever port maemo to a really good new device that's not using OMAP3 SoC
Apr 08 13:20:10 <DocScrutinizer05> and the plan clearly *is* to eventually tackle this STEP2 project, probably with an OMAP5 SoC then
Apr 08 13:20:51 <DocScrutinizer05> starting next year
Apr 08 13:22:21 <jake42> for that we really could use some $$$$
Apr 08 13:22:32 <jake42> how's the prototype coming along btw?
Apr 08 18:39:29 <antrik_> I wonder why anyone is interested in OMAP5? it's just not competitive in the handheld space (and not really marketed for that either)
Apr 08 18:40:03 <antrik> also, it still uses PowerVR graphics, which right now is pretty much the worst possible option for free software
Apr 08 18:54:22 <jake42> do you know any feasable alternative?
Apr 08 19:19:30 <antrik> jake42: depends on your definition of "feasible" probably ;-)
Apr 08 19:20:04 <antrik> how about Qualcomm? I know they used to be despised by free software enthusiasts, but in my understanding they should actually be the most workable right now...
Apr 08 19:21:15 <antrik> I wonder whether the Broadcom thing from the Pi2 is usable for handheld devices...
Apr 08 19:31:24 <Not-311d> [02freesmartphone.github.io] 07mickeyl pushed 031 commit to 03devel [+0/-0/±133] 13http://git.io/veM5I
Apr 08 19:31:30 <Not-311d> [02freesmartphone.github.io] 07mickeyl 0327cff79 - fix a number of cross-references and add a link to the canonical location for release tarballs
Apr 08 19:31:41 <Not-311d> [02freesmartphone.github.io] 07mickeyl pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±64] 13http://git.io/veM5W
Apr 08 19:31:46 <Not-311d> [02freesmartphone.github.io] 07mickeyl 032ecb160 - fix a number of cross-references and add a link to the canonical location for release tarballs
Apr 08 19:35:14 <PaulFertser> antrik: they ruined Atheros which was actually free software friendly...
Apr 08 19:35:30 <jake42> I think the problems are getting documentation and sourcing chips in low quantities (not million)
Apr 08 19:36:23 <PaulFertser> jake42: the dirty gpl violators from allwinner use Mali which is sort of REd already.
Apr 08 19:37:12 <PaulFertser> Among the other options, freedreno is even upstream now.
Apr 08 19:38:20 <PaulFertser> I mean GPU part of Qualcomm is reasonably well supported now.
Apr 08 19:39:42 <JaMa> freedreno is really nice, Rob's talk on ELC shown how crazy he is and how far is he able to go with RE
Apr 08 19:45:12 <jake42> afaik sourcing a SoC from qualcomm is not possible in small volumes
Apr 08 19:45:12 <antrik> PaulFertser: I don't have much hope for LiMa/Tamil... Luc is too much of a perfectionist, and rarely actually finishes something :-(
Apr 08 19:45:29 <antrik> jake42: I see
Apr 08 19:46:00 <jake42> evildragon did a nice blogpost about finding a soc http://pandoralive.info/?p=2808
Apr 08 19:46:13 <jake42> for the openpandora sucessor called pyra
Apr 08 19:46:48 <jake42> s/sucessor/successor/
Apr 08 19:46:48 <apt> jake42 meant: for the openpandora successor called pyra
Apr 08 19:47:19 <PaulFertser> antrik: he's a great developer imho.
Apr 08 19:54:49 <antrik> jake42: great, that's exactly what I was looking for :-)
Apr 08 19:55:10 <antrik> doesn't mention Broadcom though...
Apr 08 19:56:07 <antrik> PaulFertser: well, yes and no... he makes great stuff, but as I said, rarely gets them finished :-(
Apr 08 20:00:07 <PaulFertser> antrik: some real company needs to hire him to do that stuff... It looks like reversing GPUs is complicated as hell and takes enormous time :/ 
Apr 08 20:31:24 <antrik> PaulFertser: I'm sure that would help... though it should be mentioned that Rob managed to deliver a working driver *before* he got hired to work on it :-)
Apr 08 20:46:39 <antrik> jake42: I find it strange that the article doesn't say anything about Qualcomm. it does talk about A15, so maybe they didn't consider Qualcomm because of its custom Krait cores -- but that seems quite arbitrary TBH
Apr 08 20:58:27 <jake42> antrik: in the comments mentions that qualcomm wasn't interessted either
Apr 08 20:58:55 <jake42> s/mentions/s.b. mentions/
Apr 08 20:58:55 <apt> jake42 meant: antrik: in the comments s.b. mentions that qualcomm wasn't interessted either
Apr 08 21:51:13 <antrik> jake42: the comment sounds more like guesswork
Apr 08 22:35:39 <DocScrutinizer05> the reasoning in the comment is sound though
Apr 08 22:36:12 <DocScrutinizer05> evildragon will have had a good argument why he didn't opt for qualcom SoC
Apr 08 22:36:38 <DocScrutinizer05> and it seems his coverage of options been pretty comprehensive
Apr 08 22:50:22 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I know as chanop I'm not supposed to do so, but I'll nevertheless get the Not-311d bot on my ignore list here in this channel. For those feeling similar: the bot crossposts to #freesmartphone
Apr 08 22:51:08 <DocScrutinizer05> which otherwise is a channel without _any_ signif^H^H traffic
Apr 08 22:51:42 <DocScrutinizer05> when there's a problem with the bot, please holler! Since I hardly will notice it
Apr 08 22:52:31 <DocScrutinizer05> HAHA prolly my IRC client doesn't support per-channel ignores
Apr 08 22:52:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ohwell
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