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Apr 20 14:10:53 <CaptHindsight> is there an openmoko hardware developer channel?
Apr 20 14:19:19 <CaptHindsight> http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/CAD/ is #404, does anyone know where the 3D CAD models are for the Neo1973 case?
Apr 20 14:22:09 <pabs3> maybe ask on #gta04 or on their mailing lists
Apr 20 14:22:20 <pabs3> oh, you're asking about Neo1973
Apr 20 14:22:28 <pabs3> they were released recently...
Apr 20 14:23:58 <CaptHindsight> pabs3: any 3d models for any of the cases would be handy
Apr 20 14:24:21 <pabs3> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_case_schematics
Apr 20 14:24:51 <CaptHindsight> thanks
Apr 20 14:25:02 <pabs3> that links to the GTA02 case too
Apr 20 14:25:40 <CaptHindsight> tech has changed, we can SLA print cases in a minute or two that look just like injection molded cases
Apr 20 14:26:16 <CaptHindsight> and they used ProE (now Creo) to deign them
Apr 20 14:27:28 <pabs3> SLA print?
Apr 20 14:27:54 <CaptHindsight> it's a much faster form of 3D printing than a cnc glue gun
Apr 20 14:28:24 <pabs3> is that that one that was in the news recently that uses oxygen and light?
Apr 20 14:28:42 <CaptHindsight> light and photopolymers
Apr 20 14:30:24 <pabs3> yeah, that sounds like what I heard about
Apr 20 14:30:41 <CaptHindsight> it's actually been around for a while
Apr 20 14:30:44 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer05: is the N900 case available in CAD form?
Apr 20 14:31:14 <CaptHindsight> but some co just got millions in venture for their expensive version so it;s been all over the press
Apr 20 14:32:24 <pabs3> I guess this tech is far cheaper than injection molding?
Apr 20 14:32:56 <CaptHindsight> not exactly, it depends on volume
Apr 20 14:33:10 <CaptHindsight> injection molding pellets are ~$1/lb
Apr 20 14:33:28 <CaptHindsight> SLA resins are a few $ /lb and up
Apr 20 14:33:49 <CaptHindsight> the tools for injection molding a phone case is >$50k
Apr 20 14:34:12 <CaptHindsight> so for lower volumes 1- 1,000's SLA can be cheaper
Apr 20 14:34:33 <CaptHindsight> for 10k's and up injection molding can be lower cost
Apr 20 14:35:17 <CaptHindsight> tools also take a few weeks to make
Apr 20 14:35:46 <CaptHindsight> so if you start SLA now then in the 3 weeks you wait for tooling you can print a few thousand cases
Apr 20 14:39:46 <pabs3> sounds cool
Apr 20 14:41:57 <pabs3> sounds like useful tech
Apr 20 14:42:09 <CaptHindsight> Where do the hardware devs hang out?
Apr 20 14:44:46 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer05 is probably the best person to answer that, but I guess on the individual channels for each different project. there are #gta04 and #neo900, not aware of others
Apr 20 14:45:24 <pabs3> oh, and for open CPU designs, there is #lowRISC on OFTC
Apr 20 14:45:36 <CaptHindsight> I'm working on some other open hardware projects and I could design their phones for them  http://openlunchbox.com/smf/index.php
Apr 20 18:35:35 <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: thanks for forwarding him to me :-)
Apr 20 18:35:42 <DocScrutinizer05> actually mad useful offer
Apr 21 01:27:13 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer05: great! were you able to answer his question (I'm interested in the answer too btw)? <CaptHindsight> Where do the hardware devs hang out?
Apr 21 02:51:50 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, who are "the hw devs"?
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