**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 08 02:59:58 2016 Feb 08 09:46:34 eject Feb 08 09:46:40 oops Feb 08 17:21:44 mickeyl: do you remeber that nasty dbus async bug? would you happen to have a pointer to a ticket or whatever? Feb 08 17:25:05 mickeyl: prolly around the >>fsogsmd: Waiting for async. dbus server support in Vala.<< issue in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_7#DBus_APIs Feb 08 17:33:32 DocScrutinizer05: Hey :) I have a feeling that bug wasn't really isolated but somehow went away after glib-dbus -> gdbus migration. Feb 08 17:34:32 possible. However I have a dbus here on a system from 2008 ;-) Feb 08 17:35:19 dbus-send fails when no --print-reply Feb 08 17:36:04 which is explained here: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2008-March/009526.html Feb 08 17:36:25 patched here: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/commit/?id=87ddff6b24d9b9d4bba225c33890db25022d8cbe Feb 08 17:36:47 I wonder if we also suffer the more generic async bug as well Feb 08 17:37:11 I just can't recall what been the gory details of that bug Feb 08 17:48:29 http://paste.opensuse.org/90231658 Feb 08 17:51:28 ((wasn't really isolated)) yeah I'm afraid they never figured or bothered to fix it. "WONTFIX, please use next version" Feb 08 18:02:01 I never really liked D-Bus :/ Seemed like a nice idea but poorly implementated. Feb 08 18:04:26 still much better than what came before Feb 08 18:13:44 dcop? ;-P Feb 08 18:14:26 ~logs Feb 08 18:14:27 All conversations are logged to http://apt.rikers.org/%23openmoko%2dcdevel/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily --- livelogs are on http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt Feb 08 18:14:59 OpenWrt features ubus now. Feb 08 18:15:38 as long as it's not kdbus courtesy systemd cabal Feb 08 18:16:21 ~systemd Feb 08 18:16:22 from memory, systemd is a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, H. Hoyer, D. Mack, T. Gundersen, D. Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced kernel. See ~nosystemd Feb 08 18:16:30 ~nosystemd Feb 08 18:16:30 extra, extra, read all about it, nosystemd is https://devuan.org http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ Feb 08 18:17:52 There's procd in OpenWrt which is somewhat similar to systemd but way more lightweight and understandable. Feb 08 18:20:50 I guess it's particularly not such a cancer that expands into the complete system Feb 08 18:21:02 heck, systemd has a webserver now? Feb 08 18:21:52 and you can't get rid of any of that crap, since this would make all other pile of shit fall apart Feb 08 18:22:50 honestly, all three links in ~nosystemd are a worthwhile read Feb 08 18:24:28 it's a disaster when veteran expert users say they turn their back to linux and go for $anything-more-sane just because of a single project run by fools Feb 08 18:25:03 ~poettering Feb 08 18:25:03 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal Feb 08 18:30:23 nice and old analysis: PAPPP's Rambling http://pappp.net/?p=969 Feb 08 18:35:30 http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/925/966/8d2.gif **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 09 02:59:59 2016