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Jan 01 12:08:27 <pabs3> rebooting openmoko.org for a Linux kernel upgrade
Jan 01 15:13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: totally unrealated and OT: re Devuan have you ever seen the explanation what it really is and does? https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4
Jan 01 15:13:33 <DocScrutinizer05> it's just a thin overlay over debian
Jan 01 15:14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> taking care about exactly (and only) those packages that are cumbersome to deal with when you want genuine debian without systemd
Jan 01 15:16:45 <DocScrutinizer05> more often than not, I guess, it's just a rebuild of the genuine debian package but with some "--nosystemd" build options, where needed
Jan 01 15:17:34 <DocScrutinizer05> in some cases though it needs more effort to really get rid of systemd, so there are a few packahes (maybe half a dozen) that differ massively from what debian offers
Jan 01 15:19:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ideally the number of those packages would get lower with improved maintenance of *debian* (sic!), odds however are that they become more and more over time
Jan 01 15:22:52 <DocScrutinizer05> it *seems* to me that it's already virtually impossible to get gnome or kde desktop without systemd, and devuan can't cope with this daunting task to change anything in that regard
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