**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 30 03:00:02 2017 Mar 30 05:58:25 pabs3: ooh, I'm massively impressed by this hoax :-D Mar 30 05:58:44 hm? Mar 30 05:58:51 https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/a-fully-free-cell-phone-experience-no-baseband-required/ Mar 30 05:59:28 I mean, "cell phone experience without cellphone radio" is a paradoxon Mar 30 06:00:14 OF COURSE you need some wireless technology when you want a cell phone alike user experience Mar 30 06:00:53 it's not like WiFi SIP phones were a new thing, they exist since I guess 10 or more years Mar 30 06:01:11 obvious downside: they need free APs Mar 30 06:01:46 then there's also string and cans "phone" ;-P Mar 30 06:06:12 https://www.voipsupply.com/voip-phones/wi-fi Mar 30 06:17:39 * DocScrutinizer05 shakes head at folks that don't understand that you need a sort of license for operating ANY RF transmitter in the range anywhere from 50kHz to ~1mm, and that cellphones as we know them only exist *because* FCC_et_al approval of the transmitter controlling radio stack firmware is mandatory Mar 30 06:25:49 (~1mm) iirc I've actually seen German FTZ issuing a generic approval to "use electromagnetic transmitters in the range from 10um to 800nm [infrared!] without individual type approval" Mar 30 06:27:10 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders where's the type approval for humans which emit in the millimeter range Mar 30 06:45:03 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzsender#Abgrenzung Mar 30 06:50:51 hey, 2002 there were already 150 trials against "terrorists using High Power Microwave" : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikrowellen#Einsatz_als_Waffe Mar 30 06:54:53 ooh I was wrong, the controlled frequency range for RF starts at 9kHz, not 50kHz - and actually ends at 1mm wavelength aka 300GHz Mar 30 06:55:52 actually it starts at 3kHz but 3 to 9 kHz has a global generic approval Mar 30 06:56:40 by ITU Mar 30 07:00:54 so you actually may operate your own https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZEVS_(transmitter) legally, alas the bandwidth is too low for audio transmission in realtime, unless you use spread spectrum Mar 30 07:12:49 also you'll have implementation problems with your PA, antenna and your battery in the mobile device ;-) Mar 30 07:23:00 also see https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-14-30A1.pdf and e.g. https://www.wired.com/2015/09/hey-fcc-dont-lock-wi-fi-routers/ Mar 30 07:24:23 >>the FCC explicitly told [...] that it’s fine with mods and open source software “as long as they do not add the functionality to modify the underlying operating characteristics of the RF parameters.”<< Mar 30 07:24:47 read: radio stack Mar 30 07:36:14 so much for the future of firmware-ath9k-htc free radio stack and similar stuff Mar 30 07:38:01 I guess basically any chip designs that allow messing with the RF parameters are legacy that will vanish sooner or later Mar 30 15:16:41 pabs3: this: https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/15/nasa-plans-to-make-a-telescope-out-of-the-sun/ Mar 30 15:17:06 pabs3: this impresses me :-) Mar 30 15:17:50 fair enough :) Mar 30 15:18:08 * pabs3 *cough*not*open*source*cough* Mar 30 15:18:22 lol :-) Mar 30 15:20:53 :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 31 03:00:01 2017